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Rusty Jones
08-06-2014, 03:16 PM
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140805/NEWS06/308050062/Man-killed-argument-over-military-branches


BILLINGS, MONT. — A Montana man who faces a deliberate homicide charge for slashing another man's throat told police they were arguing over which branch of the United States military was better, the Army or the Marines, Yellowstone County prosecutors said.

William Earl Cunningham, 63, of Laurel was arrested early Sunday on suspicion of deliberate homicide in the death of 40-year-old Nathan Horn of Billings. Cunningham was jailed without bond ahead of a court appearance and couldn't be reached for comment.

County Attorney Scott Twito said he expected Cunningham to make the appearance Tuesday.

The stabbing was reported late Saturday.

Responding officers found Cunningham leaning against a car and Horn lying on the grass next to Cunningham's feet. Horn had a cut on his right cheek and a deep cut on the left side of his neck.

"I cut him. He's dead," Cunningham told police, according to charging documents. "The knife's on the table."

Horn was pronounced dead less than an hour later.

After Cunningham was read his rights, he told officers he and Horn were sitting at the picnic table when they began arguing about whether the Army or Marines was the best branch of the military, court records said.

Laurel Police Sgt. Mark Guy said Monday that the men had argued the night before about the same issue. He wasn't sure if either man had served in the military.

Lena Heller told KULR-TV that she had invited the two men over on Saturday night and they had been drinking when they started arguing.

"I think it's horrible that somebody would just kill somebody for no reason, just because of an argument," Heller said.
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sandsjames
08-06-2014, 04:27 PM
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140805/NEWS06/308050062/Man-killed-argument-over-military-branches


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Not surprising. People have such a misunderstanding of the word "pride" and being "disrespected" that I'm kind of shocked it doesn't happen more often.

WILDJOKER5
08-06-2014, 04:37 PM
So who won?

Rusty Jones
08-06-2014, 04:42 PM
Not surprising. People have such a misunderstanding of the word "pride" and being "disrespected" that I'm kind of shocked it doesn't happen more often.

This is exactly why I would never let my daughters join the Army. Nothing wrong with the organization itself - I was stationed at Fort Sam Houston and enjoyed my time there - but they're the one service that all of the other services turn their noses up at, and I wouldn't want my daughters to be in a position of always having to defend or assert themselves.

Well, the turning up of the nose thing at least that seems to be the case with the Air Force and Marine Corps; in the Navy, it's a little different. Many of us have great respect for the Army, as they're more likely to go into harm's way than we are - in fact, many jumped right onto the Blue to Green program when it opened up. But then you have dickheads who think that just because they fall under SECNAV along with the Marine Corps, that they get to turn their noses up at the Army from the Marine Corp's perspective.

Anyhow, I agree. This is the first time I had ever seen this in the news and, even more shocking, it wasn't between two young active duty service members. I expected it to be when I first saw the title.

WILDJOKER5
08-06-2014, 04:45 PM
Anyhow, I agree. This is the first time I had ever seen this in the news and, even more shocking, it wasn't between two young active duty service members. I expected it to be when I first saw the title.

This was the funniest part.
Laurel Police Sgt. Mark Guy said Monday that the men had argued the night before about the same issue. He wasn't sure if either man had served in the military.

sandsjames
08-06-2014, 04:49 PM
This is exactly why I would never let my daughters join the Army. Nothing wrong with the organization itself - I was stationed at Fort Sam Houston and enjoyed my time there - but they're the one service that all of the other services turn their noses up at, and I wouldn't want my daughters to be in a position of always having to defend or assert themselves.

Well, the turning up of the nose thing at least that seems to be the case with the Air Force and Marine Corps; in the Navy, it's a little different. Many of us have great respect for the Army, as they're more likely to go into harm's way than we are - in fact, many jumped right onto the Blue to Green program when it opened up. But then you have dickheads who think that just because they fall under SECNAV along with the Marine Corps, that they get to turn their noses up at the Army from the Marine Corp's perspective.

Anyhow, I agree. This is the first time I had ever seen this in the news and, even more shocking, it wasn't between two young active duty service members. I expected it to be when I first saw the title.

That is surprising. Just too guys who may or may not have served.

The cross service rivalry has always been interesting to me. It seems like it has changed a lot. It seems like it used to be a lot more of a "poking fun" type thing. And as a member of the AF "back in the day" the majority of jokes made about us were on the nose and we actually latched on to them. Things like us having easy jobs, great TDYs, etc. It was a lot of fun. When we'd end up deployed with other services, there were really no problems. Everyone got along and realized that it was just a little rivalry with nothing behind it and was all done in fun.

BENDER56
08-06-2014, 06:19 PM
This was the funniest part.

... or most pathetic part. But, yeah, that part caught my eye, too.

The thing is; it doesn't matter. Maybe they served, maybe they didn't. Maybe one but not the other. Doesn't matter.

It's just another example of two guys attaching way too much importance to things that aren't worth arguing about, let alone killing someone over. It could have just as easily been an argument over the Red Sox/Yankees, Ford/Chevy, Bud Light/Miller Lite ... who gives a crap?

Losers.

Rusty Jones
08-06-2014, 06:28 PM
Ford/Chevy, Bud Light/Miller Lite ... who gives a crap?

These last two examples, I've actually seen people get into fist fights over. I vaguely remember something actually making the news maybe two or three years ago, concerning violence that resulted from an argument over which beer is better.

LogDog
08-08-2014, 02:31 AM
That is surprising. Just too guys who may or may not have served.

The cross service rivalry has always been interesting to me. It seems like it has changed a lot. It seems like it used to be a lot more of a "poking fun" type thing. And as a member of the AF "back in the day" the majority of jokes made about us were on the nose and we actually latched on to them. Things like us having easy jobs, great TDYs, etc. It was a lot of fun. When we'd end up deployed with other services, there were really no problems. Everyone got along and realized that it was just a little rivalry with nothing behind it and was all done in fun.
I agree that "back in the day" much of the fun poked at us in the AF were spot on. I didn't have a problem with it and even joined in poking fun at not just the Army and Navy but at the AF too. When I deployed to Croatia with our medical unit we mainly supported the Army as well as the mixture of services at I4. Rivalries disappeared and we got along well because we depended upon each other.

Being retire in San Diego most of my friends are active or retired Navy. Yeah, we kid around about the Navy and the AF but we know it's just kidding.