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sandsjames
06-17-2014, 08:11 PM
With all the "fun" PC talk that's been going on, I thought I'd start a thread about whether going away from traditional gender rolls has helped or hurt us as a country. The topic has been brought up before but we never go too indepth.

Here are the thoughts/questions I have, and the things I will be talking about are families that have 2 parents living in the same household. Much of it will be considered "nostalgia" and "everyone thinks they had it better" so just bear with me.

1. Has 2 parents working hurt our education as a country? Growing up, when I came home from school my mom was always there to help me with my homework if I needed it. How much does it hurt a child when they are pretty much on their own to do it?

2. Has 2 parents working hurt the family unit? I know we always had dinner ready for us when dad got home from work and we ate, as a family, at the kitchen table. Discussion took place...rarely anything too serious, but it allowed us to talk about the day. Plus, we were very seldom home alone.

3. Has 2 parents working hurt the economy? We see and hear so much about how high the unemployment rate is. Is this because there aren't enough jobs or because there are too many workers? "Back in the day" there were fewer jobs needed because there was only one family member working. I'm pretty sure "stay at home" moms were not part of the unemployment numbers.

4. Has 2 parents working hurt discipline? Seems very simple. If there's nobody around to make sure the kids aren't doing the right thing then it makes it very easy for the kids to do the wrong thing. Plus, in the little time parents have to spend with their kids, do they really want to spend it all disciplining the child. Has this let to the parents being their kid's friend?

5. Has 2 parents working hurt marriages? Personally, I don't see how it can't have a negative impact. We know what the divorce percentages are today. Do the two corrolate?

6. I know many people claim that they have to have two incomes in order to survive. However, would less income and more "normal" involvement (by "normal" I mean just being around each other on an everyday basis) be better for the kids in the long run?

garhkal
06-17-2014, 10:07 PM
1. Has 2 parents working hurt our education as a country? Growing up, when I came home from school my mom was always there to help me with my homework if I needed it. How much does it hurt a child when they are pretty much on their own to do it?

I would say it has. Like you i always had one parent at home during the day after getting home from school, who forced me to do homework and helped. With lots of 2 working parent families, i can see homework as being something done alone by the kid, or not completed.


2. Has 2 parents working hurt the family unit? I know we always had dinner ready for us when dad got home from work and we ate, as a family, at the kitchen table. Discussion took place...rarely anything too serious, but it allowed us to talk about the day. Plus, we were very seldom home alone.

In some ways, yes, and others no. In the area of family get together's, i would say yes. But the whole 'every one gathers around the dinner table to discuss their day thing, imo is a relic of the past.


3. Has 2 parents working hurt the economy? We see and hear so much about how high the unemployment rate is. Is this because there aren't enough jobs or because there are too many workers? "Back in the day" there were fewer jobs needed because there was only one family member working. I'm pretty sure "stay at home" moms were not part of the unemployment numbers.

Interesting POV. And i actually agree. With more people looking for the same # of jobs, it will inflate the number of people out of work.


4. Has 2 parents working hurt discipline? Seems very simple. If there's nobody around to make sure the kids aren't doing the right thing then it makes it very easy for the kids to do the wrong thing. Plus, in the little time parents have to spend with their kids, do they really want to spend it all disciplining the child. Has this let to the parents being their kid's friend?

IMO that is more an aspect of the dumbing down of discipline. But i also know some families, who like you put up, do feel that with what little time they get in the day to be with the kid(s), disciplining them in that time is usually far from their minds.


5. Has 2 parents working hurt marriages? Personally, I don't see how it can't have a negative impact. We know what the divorce percentages are today. Do the two corrolate?

Very possible.


6. I know many people claim that they have to have two incomes in order to survive. However, would less income and more "normal" involvement (by "normal" I mean just being around each other on an everyday basis) be better for the kids in the long run?

That depends on what they do during that 'normal involvement'..

Rusty Jones
06-18-2014, 01:38 PM
SJ, I'm glad you brought this up, and I would have if I thought about it here.

I actually talk about this stuff all the time on facebook.

Interesting read, from some literature a few years back: it seems that, right now, the most popular explanation for the extinction of Neanderthals and the survival of anatomically modern humans (AMH's) comes down to "division of labor."

In order for a species to survive, the females must be treated like a commodity; whereas males are more expendable. The Neanderthals failed to realize this. So, instead of Neanderthal women staying out of harm's way; they went out and did the same exact work as Neanderthal men - including hunting big game. Neanderthal women died in the process, hence Neanderthals couldn't continue to exist.

AMH's, on the other hand, knew that women were to be kept out of harm's way, and that the men must do the dangerous work. And that's why, at 200,000 years and still going strong, we're going to be the longest surviving species of human... if we aren't already.

Concerning the two working parents... to be honest, that's beyond our control right how. Wages are much lower than they used to be. It's my understanding that a high school dropout in the 1950's working at the local steel mill or meat packing plant made a wage that's equal to just over $20/hr in today's money... your wife didn't HAVE to work back then.

It is entirely possible that women entering the work force might be responsible for driving wages down, but I'm not sure.

I also think that the abandoning of gender roles over the years, let's face it, has made women more masculine, and men more feminine. I've watched, for far too long, men get manipulated into doing a woman's bidding when a she says "you would do THIS, if you were a REAL man!" Now, when men see women as an authority on what a "real man" is... this should be ringing all kinds of alarms. But people are too stupid to see it, for some reason.

Notice that women, these days, want "gender roles" back, as "equality" is now biting them in the ass. For example, many are complaining that men hide behind feminism in order to not pay for dates and things like that. Or that "stay at home moms" are no longer being treated with respect, and are being looked down on.

garhkal
06-18-2014, 08:22 PM
Notice that women, these days, want "gender roles" back, as "equality" is now biting them in the ass. For example, many are complaining that men hide behind feminism in order to not pay for dates and things like that. Or that "stay at home moms" are no longer being treated with respect, and are being looked down on.

Or bitch and whine when they get treated the same as "the other guys" which is what they asked to be regarded as..

Rusty Jones
06-18-2014, 08:33 PM
Or bitch and whine when they get treated the same as "the other guys" which is what they asked to be regarded as..

I will say that the drawback to us going back to traditional roles is that things like alimony would be more justified.

Personally, if I had the life experience at the age of 20 that I have now; I would have been a part of the MGTOW movement. Hell, if I outlive my marriage, I WILL be a MGTOW.

garhkal
06-18-2014, 11:39 PM
Learned a new acronym. Thanks rusty.