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Shadowless
04-19-2014, 09:44 AM
All,

Trends from this round of practice testing: People are getting lazy/complacent. Several of our 90's have fallen to the mid 80's, still passing but it means you will have an official twice per year instead of once (if this was an official).

One of our core values is excellence in all we do. If we shoot for the bear minimums, what happens when we have a "bad day" or get hurt? There is a strong likelihood of failing an easy test. This is why excelling in your workouts and exceeding the minimums is important.

If you want/need help with any portion of your workouts, there are several beasts in our flight you can ask and I'm sure they will help out.

Go get some, add buttons of flair to your workouts, train like we fight, and all that other hooplah.

Shadowless
04-19-2014, 09:46 AM
How do I deal with a douche bag like this? I am sorry I have been in the Air Force over 10 years and I will NEVER go all out on a practice PT test for which I can accidently injure myself. For the record this email is referring to two individuals who scored 85% which to me is still passing. I want to know how I can properly take this up the chain of command because this email actually offended me and was/is not the first type of email from this specific individual.

akruse
04-19-2014, 11:36 AM
If this email offended you, I would get some professional help. While it may be on the bit hardcore side, nothing is offending in that email. Sounds like he is just challenging people to press their workouts which is always a good thing. Hit delete and carry on. Maybe grow a pair along the way.

imported_KnuckleDragger
04-19-2014, 11:58 AM
...add buttons of flair to your workouts...

Should become a motivational speaker.

jshiver15
04-19-2014, 11:58 AM
Depending on who this e-mail came from (is it an OIC? PTL? NCOIC?) they could be the ones getting pressured by higher leadership to send this type of stuff out. I think way too much emphasis is put on supervisors and flights leaders to make sure that Airmen are excelling at PT, when it's already been established that the PT program is now an individual effort. That doesn't mean that people can't ask for help, but it does mean that people should be held accountable for their own shortfalls.

So, without a little more context I don't know that any of us could really offer you any advice on how to deal with a "douchebag" like this.

Absinthe Anecdote
04-19-2014, 02:57 PM
How do I deal with a douche bag like this? I am sorry I have been in the Air Force over 10 years and I will NEVER go all out on a practice PT test for which I can accidently injure myself. For the record this email is referring to two individuals who scored 85% which to me is still passing. I want to know how I can properly take this up the chain of command because this email actually offended me and was/is not the first type of email from this specific individual.

I am a bit of a PT Nazi, but I will set that aside for the moment to give you some very common sense advice.

Do not take this up the chain! I see no way for you to characterize your displeasure at this guy's email in a way that shows he did anything inappropriate.

If you are dead set on the idea of striking back at this so-called douche bag, I suggest you scour his email for any grammatical errors, then send him a friendly critique.

If he really did use the phrase "shooting at bear minimums" instead of "bare minimums" and some of the other poorly constructed phrases in his email, you do have an avenue to "put him in check," provided that you do it in a constructive manner.

First, start off your reply by saying that you whole heartedly agree with his message and that you appreciate his efforts to motivate the squadron; however, you are concerned that his message is getting lost because his email is so poorly crafted.

Explain that using the core value of "Excellence in all we do" in a shoddily crafted email is causing members of the squadron to laugh at him.

Tell him that when you heard people laughing at his email that it upset you a great deal, because you know that his message is one that needs to be heard. Close by offering him assistance in crafting future emails.

If successful, you will have inserted yourself in a position of power over this guy, and you will have editorial control of his future emails.

That will only work if his email was as bad as what you typed in, and you are capable of typing an email that is free of such poor usage of English. If your grammar also sucks, just print his email, and mark it up with a red pen, and then pull him aside for a face-to-face chat. Be forewarned, you'll need to be convincing that you are truly on his side and trying to help him.

Even if you aren't successful in getting editorial control over his emails, you will have him wondering if people are indeed laughing at him, and will have struck back at him in a way that doesn't make you look bad.

Now, I'll put my PT Nazi armband back on, and scold you for being lazy and complacent.

Shadowless
04-19-2014, 08:38 PM
The problem I have with this email is one person in leadership is threatening to make everyome do group pt because of it.. ..And im confused because the people in question scored an 85 om their practice pt test...which is not even failing.

BENDER56
04-19-2014, 10:01 PM
... This is why excelling in your workouts and exceeding the minimums is important. ...

I'm not sure this guy qualifies as a "douche bag", unless the meaning of that word has morphed recently.

But, since when are scores in the "mid 80's" (sic) not considered, "...exceeding the minimums..."?

Absinthe Anecdote
04-19-2014, 11:06 PM
The problem I have with this email is one person in leadership is threatening to make everyome do group pt because of it.. ..And im confused because the people in question scored an 85 om their practice pt test...which is not even failing.

If your real beef is the possibility of having to do group PT, and you had this much trouble explaining it to us, I question your ability to raise a coherent objection to leadership.

I encourage you to warm up to the possibility of doing group PT. If you are unable to do that and find that you must raise an objection, don't do it via email.

How gifted are you at persuading people verbally? If you aren't very talented with the spoken word either, seek the advice of someone else in your unit who has the ability to speak convincingly, and take them to go have a talk with your Chief.

The douche bag argument can't be used; instead, you'll need to come up with more compelling reasons.

Still, I think you need to become comfortable with the idea of doing group PT, it's fun and it is good for you, embrace it.

Gonzo432
04-20-2014, 01:28 AM
I have to go Allen Iverson here, "This is practice. We ain't talking about a game, we're talking about, practice.

Shadowless
04-20-2014, 02:26 AM
If your real beef is the possibility of having to do group PT, and you had this much trouble explaining it to us, I question your ability to raise a coherent objection to leadership.

I encourage you to warm up to the possibility of doing group PT. If you are unable to do that and find that you must raise an objection, don't do it via email.

How gifted are you at persuading people verbally? If you aren't very talented with the spoken word either, seek the advice of someone else in your unit who has the ability to speak
convincingly, and take them to go have a talk with your Chief.

The douche bag argument can't be used; instead, you'll need to come up with more compelling reasons.

Still, I think you need to become comfortable with the idea of doing group PT, it's fun and it is good for you, embrace it.

Im guessing you are not a shift worker? Not every unit can do group pt and for most of us who actualy use arac gym its a huuuge waste of time. I work in a 10 to 12 man shop that works shift work. No way in jell do i want any part of 3 to 5 people group pt. The guy who sent this is a totalt douch for stirring up trouble...making everyone hate even more and al because two people scored an 85 on a p

Max Power
04-20-2014, 02:53 AM
Im guessing you are not a shift worker? Not every unit can do group pt and for most of us who actualy use arac gym its a huuuge waste of time. I work in a 10 to 12 man shop that works shift work. No way in jell do i want any part of 3 to 5 people group pt. The guy who sent this is a totalt douch for stirring up trouble...making everyone hate even more and al because two people scored an 85 on a p

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LogDog
04-20-2014, 04:27 AM
The problem I have with this email is one person in leadership is threatening to make everyome do group pt because of it.. ..And im confused because the people in question scored an 85 om their practice pt test...which is not even failing.
I can see where the author of the email is trying to get those who aren't over 90% to improve by forcing their peers to pressure them for improvement. The question comes down to "How much will group PT cost your Group in terms of money, time, and productivity?" Is it worth it taking time away from your mission duties to improve your practice scores when the scores are already passing?

Personally, I would acknowledge the email if asked about it but continue the PT as you're doing it as long as you're passing and don't pressure those who are below 90%. Excellence in All We Do is a value but not always an absolute value. It means doing your best and the purpose of practice is to work towards improvement.

Absinthe Anecdote
04-20-2014, 05:16 AM
Im guessing you are not a shift worker? Not every unit can do group pt and for most of us who actualy use arac gym its a huuuge waste of time. I work in a 10 to 12 man shop that works shift work. No way in jell do i want any part of 3 to 5 people group pt. The guy who sent this is a totalt douch for stirring up trouble...making everyone hate even more and al because two people scored an 85 on a p

Wrong Bucko! I worked shifts for the majority of my career and can attest that there is no better way to unwind after a swing or mid shift than to hit the gym with 3 to 5 coworkers for a little PT.

You'll sleep better and feel great! If you consider your workout to be a waste of time, then perhaps you should listen to the douche bag, and get some pointers on your workout routine.

I also suggest you look into taking a college class to improve your communication skills. That post is rife with errors, and you need to perfect your written communication skills so you can write emails of your own to influence leadership to see things your way.

Shadowless
04-20-2014, 09:14 AM
Wrong Bucko! I worked shifts for the majority of my career and can attest that there is no better way to unwind after a swing or mid shift than to hit the gym with 3 to 5 coworkers for a little PT.

You'll sleep better and feel great! If you consider your workout to be a waste of time, then perhaps you should listen to the douche bag, and get some pointers on your workout routine.

I also suggest you look into taking a college class to improve your communication skills. That post is rife with errors, and you need to perfect your written communication skills so you can write emails of your own to influence leadership to see things your way.

hahah, I'm typing this from my phone. It's okay...keeping doing your thing...giving the Air Force all your free time and energy. Sacrafice your family and enjoyment and when you retire...no one will even remember you existed. As for group pt....I go to the gym six days a week and score 95 or higher each time so yes sitting around a circle doing push-ups and sit ups is a huge waste of time when I can do that at work and actually utilize my time better lifting weights and actually doing a mans workout. My workout routine is fine, it's people like you who need others to get off your lazy ass and actually go to the gym on your own. Any more insults? By the way, I'm two classes away from my Masters. I work smarter, not harder. Would you like to work at 730am get off at 430pm, then work out from 1800-2000 for group pt? I mean if you have no family, life, friends, social life or common sense I'm sure you would right?

VCO
04-20-2014, 11:12 AM
hahah, I'm typing this from my phone. It's okay...keeping doing your thing...giving the Air Force all your free time and energy. Sacrafice your family and enjoyment and when you retire...no one will even remember you existed. As for group pt....I go to the gym six days a week and score 95 or higher each time so yes sitting around a circle doing push-ups and sit ups is a huge waste of time when I can do that at work and actually utilize my time better lifting weights and actually doing a mans workout. My workout routine is fine, it's people like you who need others to get off your lazy ass and actually go to the gym on your own. Any more insults? By the way, I'm two classes away from my Masters. I work smarter, not harder. Would you like to work at 730am get off at 430pm, then work out from 1800-2000 for group pt? I mean if you have no family, life, friends, social life or common sense I'm sure you would right?

I understand. You are an average 9-5 guy here to do a job and collect a paycheck. That is the extent of your loyalty to our service. Think about this, group PT may not benefit you. However, it will likely benefit your below average peers that can't break a 90% (when 90% of the AF is scoring excellent).

Absinthe Anecdote
04-20-2014, 01:53 PM
hahah, I'm typing this from my phone. It's okay...keeping doing your thing...giving the Air Force all your free time and energy. Sacrafice your family and enjoyment and when you retire...no one will even remember you existed. As for group pt....I go to the gym six days a week and score 95 or higher each time so yes sitting around a circle doing push-ups and sit ups is a huge waste of time when I can do that at work and actually utilize my time better lifting weights and actually doing a mans workout. My workout routine is fine, it's people like you who need others to get off your lazy ass and actually go to the gym on your own. Any more insults? By the way, I'm two classes away from my Masters. I work smarter, not harder. Would you like to work at 730am get off at 430pm, then work out from 1800-2000 for group pt? I mean if you have no family, life, friends, social life or common sense I'm sure you would right?

I'm happy to hear that you are so squared away; you had me a little worried, because those first two posts hardly gave the impression of a whip smart post-graduate student. It was your phone's fault that your posts were so incoherent, I'm glad you cleared that up for us.

I guess you were just posting that stuff about needing help to "deal with a douche bag" for laughs.

I am also relieved that you know how to do a "man's workout," because I was afraid that douche bag might have been picking on you.

It seems like you have the situation under control after all. Perhaps you were just looking for a sympathetic shoulder to cry on?

I can see why, with a grueling schedule of 0730 to 1630, who wouldn't feel like crying? When you said you were a shift worker, I guess you meant, "day shift worker."

Here is an idea, why don't you try convincing your duty section to do PT at little closer to the end of your shift, instead of waiting till 1800. You might even be able to convince them to lift weights once in a while instead of just doing sit-ups and push-ups between 1800 and 2000.

Is there anything else that I can help you with?

Shadowless
04-20-2014, 03:34 PM
I'm happy to hear that you are so squared away; you had me a little worried, because those first two posts hardly gave the impression of a whip smart post-graduate student. It was your phone's fault that your posts were so incoherent, I'm glad you cleared that up for us.

I guess you were just posting that stuff about needing help to "deal with a douche bag" for laughs.

I am also relieved that you know how to do a "man's workout," because I was afraid that douche bag might have been picking on you.

It seems like you have the situation under control after all. Perhaps you were just looking for a sympathetic shoulder to cry on?

I can see why, with a grueling schedule of 0730 to 1630, who wouldn't feel like crying? When you said you were a shift worker, I guess you meant, "day shift worker."

Here is an idea, why don't you try convincing your duty section to do PT at little closer to the end of your shift, instead of waiting till 1800. You might even be able to convince them to lift weights once in a while instead of just doing sit-ups and push-ups between 1800 and 2000.

I you with?

You are retired right?

Shadowless
04-20-2014, 03:37 PM
I understand. You are an average 9-5 guy here to do a job and collect a paycheck. That is the extent of your loyalty to our service. Think about this, group PT may not benefit you. However, it will likely benefit your below average peers that can't break a 90% (when 90% of the AF is scoring excellent).

I wish I was 9 To 5. I am sorry to break this to you but no one joins the military theae days to serve their country.