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AirDrop23
01-24-2014, 12:28 PM
45K to 50K may have put in for early release programs in the first week.:smile:

BOSS302
01-24-2014, 01:03 PM
45K to 50K may have put in for early release programs in the first week.:smile:

Link? Source?

Or this something your buddy Cole told you before you started bro'ing it up during CrossFit?

VCO
01-24-2014, 01:06 PM
45K to 50K may have put in for early release programs in the first week.:smile:
Good. We want those folks to move on. No reason to keep bitter people around.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 01:17 PM
Good. We want those folks to move on. No reason to keep bitter people around.

If you don't have bitter people around, who's going to do the real work?

VCO
01-24-2014, 01:20 PM
If you don't have bitter people around, who's going to do the real work?

Contractors.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 01:23 PM
Contractors.

Exactly...you know why they get the work done? Cuz they get paid to do one thing. Get the work done.

VCO
01-24-2014, 01:26 PM
Exactly...you know why they get the work done? Cuz they get paid to do one thing. Get the work done.

Yeah. They are pretty much the best. Haven't had a single power outage since they started.

wxjumper
01-24-2014, 01:28 PM
Damn, if that is the case maybe my application for early retirement isn't as sure of a thing as I thought. :no:

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 01:28 PM
45K to 50K may have put in for early release programs in the first week.:smile:

If true, it's not surprising. So many better options right now, even with the poor economy. This result (again, if true) comes from leaders addressing complaints of troops as whining. People don't feel like they have a voice. Too much micromanagement takes place. There's no light at the end of the tunnel. Plus, with the threats to pensions, health care, etc, there's no reason to do 20 years anymore, unless you are one of those who rely on the "structure" of not having to take care of yourself and your own responsibilities.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-24-2014, 01:30 PM
Contractors.

Great idea! That will allow me and my super troops to focus on holding bake sales and breakfast burrito sales to make the rest of the bitter complainers, who did not take the early out incentive, too fat to serve our great nation.

Once they are all gone, we can get back to important stuff, like having parades and twilight tattoo ceremonies. Hell, we might have enough in the personnel budget to bring back base-level bands.

VCO
01-24-2014, 01:31 PM
there's no reason to do 20 years anymore, unless you are one of those who rely on the "structure" of not having to take care of yourself and your own responsibilities.

Really? I know fucktards your age still living in their mom's basement. At least the folks that joined up took on a tough job. It isn't a free ride.

VCO
01-24-2014, 01:32 PM
Great idea! That will allow me and my super troops to focus on holding bake sales and breakfast burrito sales to make the rest of the bitter complainers, who did not take the early out incentive, too fat to serve our great nation.

Once they are all gone, we can get back to important stuff, like having parades and twilight tattoo ceremonies. Hell, we might have enough in the personnel budget to bring back base-level bands.Bingo. Bring on the savings, warrior.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 01:36 PM
Really? I know fucktards your age still living in their mom's basement. At least the folks that joined up took on a tough job. It isn't a free ride.

True, there are. The Air Force has never been a free ride. However, there did used to be some result of the hard work. Benefits, job security, etc. Those benefits outweighed being away from family half the time, putting your life on the line, putting up with all the military stuff. Now, the best option (unless you're pretty hua) is to do the minimum amount of time necessary to get your GI Bill benefits.

VCO
01-24-2014, 01:39 PM
True, there are. The Air Force has never been a free ride. However, there did used to be some result of the hard work. Benefits, job security, etc. Those benefits outweighed being away from family half the time, putting your life on the line, putting up with all the military stuff. Now, the best option (unless you're pretty hua) is to do the minimum amount of time necessary to get your GI Bill benefits.

The best option is 36 months of free college? Come on man. The 30 -40 years of $2K - $6K a month is nothing?

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 01:44 PM
The best option is 36 months of free college? Come on man. The 30 -40 years of $2K - $6K a month is nothing?

Those years are no longer guaranteed. If you take the college, get the degree, and get a job, then you can make that money, or more, without the obligations of the military. I'm not saying the military is a bad choice. It's just not as good a choice as it used to be. Read the posts on here about people who have been in over 10 years and don't know if they'll still be in next year (either by choice or by force).

VCO
01-24-2014, 01:45 PM
Those years are no longer guaranteed. If you take the college, get the degree, and get a job, then you can make that money, or more, without the obligations of the military. I'm not saying the military is a bad choice. It's just not as good a choice as it used to be. Read the posts on here about people who have been in over 10 years and don't know if they'll still be in next year (either by choice or by force).
Can't argue with that.

Juggs
01-24-2014, 02:11 PM
Yeah. They are pretty much the best. Haven't had a single power outage since they started.

Most likely because they're allowed to do the job and only the job. Not dozens of CBTs and PHA, and other BS.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:13 PM
Most likely because they're allowed to do the job and only the job. Not dozens of CBTs and PHA, and other BS.

I kinda doubt that. They haven't SARC'd anyone or been targeted by terrorists.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 02:15 PM
Yeah. They are pretty much the best. Haven't had a single power outage since they started.

Yeah, that's what it is. Commercial power is always maintained by the base...oh...wait...

Juggs
01-24-2014, 02:17 PM
Some folks took on tougher jobs the others and spent yrs TDY and deployed. Yet at retirement they get the same benefits as everybody else. They don't generally complain because they knew the deal coming in. Much like everybody else. The AF has been less military and more corporate since I came in. Im hoping they start getting rid of there lazy substandard performers first much like corporate downsizing should.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:20 PM
Yeah, that's what it is. Commercial power is always maintained by the base...oh...wait...

touchy touchy...

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 02:20 PM
Some folks took on tougher jobs the others and spent yrs TDY and deployed. Yet at retirement they get the same benefits as everybody else. They don't generally complain because they knew the deal coming in. Much like everybody else. The AF has been less military and more corporate since I came in. Im hoping they start getting rid of there lazy substandard performers first much like corporate downsizing should.

You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!! They knew the deal when they came in. That has now changed for many of those who thought they knew the deal when they came in. That deal has changed. It's fine for those who haven't joined yet, but for those who came in prior to recent changes, they are being fucked. If you think that the majority of current airmen who signed up were expecting not to have job security than you are greatly mistaken.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:20 PM
Some folks took on tougher jobs the others and spent yrs TDY and deployed. Yet at retirement they get the same benefits as everybody else. They don't generally complain because they knew the deal coming in. Much like everybody else. The AF has been less military and more corporate since I came in. Im hoping they start getting rid of there lazy substandard performers first much like corporate downsizing should.

Right on. We are.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 02:21 PM
touchy touchy...

I'm curious as to what you did to get stuck in the VCO position? That's where we always send our fuckups...or we have a civilian do it.

Juggs
01-24-2014, 02:25 PM
You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!! They knew the deal when they came in. That has now changed for many of those who thought they knew the deal when they came in. That deal has changed. It's fine for those who haven't joined yet, but for those who came in prior to recent changes, they are being fucked. If you think that the majority of current airmen who signed up were expecting not to have job security than you are greatly mistaken.

There is a difference between knowing the deal and ignoring the deal. Expecting to be able to stay in and NOT make yourself the best isn't not knowing.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 02:28 PM
There is a difference between knowing the deal and ignoring the deal. Expecting to be able to stay in and NOT make yourself the best isn't not knowing.

There are people who made them self the best they could. Yet with one mistake 10 years ago they are gone. Not even major mistakes. That wasn't the deal.

And if that's what you are going to tell yourself then you are part of the problem and I hope you have a great time serving your 20-30 and getting fucked once you're done...may not happen, but there's no way to be sure anymore.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:29 PM
I'm curious as to what you did to get stuck in the VCO position? That's where we always send our fuckups...or we have a civilian do it.

I did nothing.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:29 PM
There are people who made them self the best they could. Yet with one mistake 10 years ago they are gone. Not even major mistakes. That wasn't the deal.

Yeah. You suck one dick. ect.

Juggs
01-24-2014, 02:31 PM
I did nothing.

Maybe that's why they sent you there. You didn't do anything where you were originally.

Mistake 10 yrs ago or the guy that didn't make any mistakes? Start with the folks with bad EPRs and NJPs.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 02:33 PM
I did nothing.

Ah...ok...opportunity to excel, then...?

Juggs
01-24-2014, 02:35 PM
There are people who made them self the best they could. Yet with one mistake 10 years ago they are gone. Not even major mistakes. That wasn't the deal.

And if that's what you are going to tell yourself then you are part of the problem and I hope you have a great time serving your 20-30 and getting fucked once you're done...may not happen, but there's no way to be sure anymore.

I did get hosed by a shitty doc that cut my time short in the AF. Not really part of the he problem. If you want to be the best, you keep the best. Not the ok or the alright.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:36 PM
Ah...ok...opportunity to excel, then...?

Opportunity to ROAD out my degree...

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:37 PM
I did get hosed by a shitty doc that cut my time short in the AF. Not really part of the he problem. If you want to be the best, you keep the best. Not the ok or the alright.

Juggs, I'd keep you in a heartbeat. Tongue in cheek as my post have been, I know you are genuine.

Juggs
01-24-2014, 02:39 PM
Juggs, I'd keep you in a heartbeat. Tongue in cheek as my post have been, I know you are genuine.

I'd keep me to. I'm pretty awesome.

I'm tired of seeing the crappy people my wife has to deal with on a daily basis. I hope a certain number of her coworkers get the boot.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:43 PM
I'd keep me to. I'm pretty awesome.

I'm tired of seeing the crappy people my wife has to deal with on a daily basis. I hope a certain number of her coworkers get the boot.

No shit. We need the folks that get it done. I hope 90 percent of the entitled ftards in power-pro, finance, MPF, engineering, and other non-essential tasks get cut.

SomeRandomGuy
01-24-2014, 02:45 PM
Opportunity to ROAD out my degree...

Is VCO still Vehicle Control Officer? I thought there was some other additional duty that was labled VCO and had sometthing to do with COMM and phones. Maybe that was TCO though.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:47 PM
Is VCO still Vehicle Control Officer? I thought there was some other additional duty that was alabled VCO and had sometthing to do with COMM and phones. Maybe that was TCO though.
Finance brave enough to breath in a CE thread? God damn. Time to retire.

BOSS302
01-24-2014, 02:47 PM
Is VCO still Vehicle Control Officer? I thought there was some other additional duty that was labled VCO and had sometthing to do with COMM and phones. Maybe that was TCO though.

Why are you still here? You need to be Force Shaped. Hard.

SomeRandomGuy
01-24-2014, 02:49 PM
Finance brave enough to breath in a CE thread? God damn. Time to retire.

I just came over here to check on you guys. I was worried CE was turning into a real life version of the movie Idiocracy. In this version Sandsjames is the guy who comes back after 20 years and realizes he is suddenly the smarteest person left in CE.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:49 PM
Great minds 'n shit.
Why are you still here? You need to be Force Shaped. Hard.

VCO
01-24-2014, 02:50 PM
I just came over here to check on you guys. I was worried CE was turning into a real life version of the movie Idiocracy. In this version Sandsjames is the guy who comes back after 20 years and realizes he is suddenly the smarteest person left in CE.

Hey! Go pump your boyfriend and his gay porn elsewhere.

SomeRandomGuy
01-24-2014, 02:51 PM
Why are you still here? You need to be Force Shaped. Hard.

I'm a contractor actually. That's the only deal the AF still honors these days. Guess who was the only person in his office still wokring during furloughs and government shutdown? The AF depends on contractors like me. Even when things get bad and the government shuts down we still show up faithfully and do nothing like we otherwise would have.

Juggs
01-24-2014, 03:03 PM
I'm a contractor actually. That's the only deal the AF still honors these days. Guess who was the only person in his office still wokring during furloughs and government shutdown? The AF depends on contractors like me. Even when things get bad and the government shuts down we still show up faithfully and do nothing like we otherwise would have.

Dirty contractors collecting their retirement all while doing their same job and a getting paid more to do it!!!

Just kidding. I was offered a few contractor instructing gigs at Ft Sill and Nellis AFB Nadine afghaniland, but I had to turn them down. I had spent enough time away from my family. If I could have brought my family with me I would've taken the sill jobs. Never going back to Vegas, and the afghani gig had me teaching hadj and going out with them or ranges. All while I don't have access to a firearm. Sorry, but I'm not sitting around ANA without a firearm and extra mags.

VCO
01-24-2014, 03:05 PM
I just came over here to check on you guys. I was worried CE was turning into a real life version of the movie Idiocracy. In this version Sandsjames is the guy who comes back after 20 years and realizes he is suddenly the smarteest person left in CE.

So anyways, your angry, anal hero points a smooth, wrinkle-less finger at the old finance guy, and declares himself to be the smartest guy around. He shakes the JP-8 drop onto the spongy mat and flexes his 16" belly fat at the "man" (who approved his retirement). He takes a long, sensual sniff of the JP-8 and utters "sandjames out!!", before dumping over $90K of medical expenses on the American taxpayers.

VCO
01-24-2014, 03:08 PM
Dirty contractors collecting their retirement all while doing their same job and a getting paid more to do it!!!

Just kidding. I was offered a few contractor instructing gigs at Ft Sill and Nellis AFB Nadine afghaniland, but I had to turn them down. I had spent enough time away from my family. If I could have brought my family with me I would've taken the sill jobs. Never going back to Vegas, and the afghani gig had me teaching hadj and going out with them or ranges. All while I don't have access to a firearm. Sorry, but I'm not sitting around ANA without a firearm and extra mags.
Fuck Haji, ANA, and non-right to carry states.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 03:09 PM
Opportunity to ROAD out my degree...Sweet...I got "moved" to Self Help for a few months after an "issue" at the shop. This was during UCI prep. My heart was broken that I didn't have to deal with all the preinspections/paperwork BS...

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 03:10 PM
I'm a contractor actually. That's the only deal the AF still honors these days. Guess who was the only person in his office still wokring during furloughs and government shutdown? The AF depends on contractors like me. Even when things get bad and the government shuts down we still show up faithfully and do nothing like we otherwise would have.

You sound like you're happy about that. Hell, most people got paid to sit at home.

VCO
01-24-2014, 03:12 PM
Sweet...I got "moved" to Self Help for a few months after an "issue" at the shop. This was during UCI prep. My heart was broken that I didn't have to deal with all the preinspections/paperwork BS...

You got "moved" because the new spot required someone with a pulse.

VCO
01-24-2014, 03:16 PM
So, I'd cut Airdrop23 23 times if I was Air Staff. Fuck that poser.

Measure Man
01-24-2014, 03:22 PM
45K to 50K may have put in for early release programs in the first week.:smile:

So, is this legit or what?

VCO
01-24-2014, 03:29 PM
Yeah Chief. That is right on.

CYBERFX1024
01-24-2014, 03:34 PM
True, there are. The Air Force has never been a free ride. However, there did used to be some result of the hard work. Benefits, job security, etc. Those benefits outweighed being away from family half the time, putting your life on the line, putting up with all the military stuff. Now, the best option (unless you're pretty hua) is to do the minimum amount of time necessary to get your GI Bill benefits.

I thought about re-enlisting again after my 8 year mark. But then I asked myself why and how will it help my family? Now, I get to come home to my family every night, good job, good benefits, I make $66k a year and that's not including the GI Bill and my VA disability pay.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 03:37 PM
I thought about re-enlisting again after my 8 year mark. But then I asked myself why and how will it help my family? Now, I get to come home to my family every night, good job, good benefits, I make $66k a year and that's not including the GI Bill and my VA disability pay.

Exactly...other than "patriotism" there's really no incentive anymore

SomeRandomGuy
01-24-2014, 03:42 PM
Exactly...other than "patriotism" there's really no incentive anymore

For what it's worth even the patriotism part has lost it's luster. Who wants to sign up for the military so you can go fight wars in the middle east so we can have oil and make defense contractors rich?

CYBERFX1024
01-24-2014, 03:45 PM
Exactly...other than "patriotism" there's really no incentive anymore

Dead right on that one. Patriotism got wore out hard for me my last duty station. That is where the majority of the people were working so hard not to deploy that it was sickening, all the while not concentrating on their job and just being out right douche bags. The writing was on the wall back in 2009 and that's me being a Marine. Even in the Marine Corps now they are cutting people drastically back down to pre-9/11 days and requiring them to do a hell of alot more mission wise.

CYBERFX1024
01-24-2014, 03:46 PM
For what it's worth even the patriotism part has lost it's luster. Who wants to sign up for the military so you can go fight wars in the middle east so we can have oil and make defense contractors rich?

Not to rag on you. But Defense Contractors do actually work as well. I was one for 2 1/2 years, and 2 years of that was in Afghanistan. They have cut the pay for contractors as well.

AlexCross
01-24-2014, 03:52 PM
I am looking at TERA. I put in to check elgibility but haven't heard back. Guess they are backlogged. I am not bitter or anything. But there have been drastic changes in my life in the last few years. I want to have more time with my kids. I am financially in a position to stay home for the most part and go to school full time. I can get the kids out the door to school, pick them up, and tote them around to dance, gymnastics, soccer, football, and cheer. I won't have to miss competitions or tournaments. I hope my app is excepted. I am not vulnerable as I am over 18.

SomeRandomGuy
01-24-2014, 03:53 PM
Not to rag on you. But Defense Contractors do actually work as well. I was one for 2 1/2 years, and 2 years of that was in Afghanistan. They have cut the pay for contractors as well.

I didn't mean the actual people doing the work. I meant the company overal. Look at the profits of SAIC and Haliburton. The people who took contracting jobs got paid well but the companies did even better.

AirDrop23
01-24-2014, 04:45 PM
There is nothing in writing in stone, this just a rumor people. If it was the truth, big blue would never let that get out in writing. It would be more embarrassing than the officers in the nuclear world doing dope and cheating. However, on another note another force-shaping matrix came out yesterday on MyPers.

ihatenonners
01-24-2014, 06:40 PM
There is nothing in writing in stone, this just a rumor people. If it was the truth, big blue would never let that get out in writing. It would be more embarrassing than the officers in the nuclear world doing dope and cheating. However, on another note another force-shaping matrix came out yesterday on MyPers.

The new matrix makes me believe the rumor you're spreading is bullshit. Way too many career fields are still projecting cuts of 25% or higher of eligible people. If Big Blue was really staring at a stack of 50k voluntary applications that matrix never gets released.

Badger
01-24-2014, 09:03 PM
For what it's worth even the patriotism part has lost it's luster. Who wants to sign up for the military so you can go fight wars in the middle east so we can have oil and make defense contractors rich?

You're crazy if you think that we're in the Middle East for oil.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-24-2014, 09:32 PM
You're crazy if you think that we're in the Middle East for oil.

No shit, if that is the case, where is all that Iraqi oil? My fucking obnoxiously big SUV could use a tank of highly refined light sweet crude oil just about now.

BURAWSKI
01-24-2014, 09:43 PM
No shit, if that is the case, where is all that Iraqi oil? My fucking obnoxiously big SUV could use a tank of highly refined light sweet crude oil just about now.


These wars have nothing to do with National Security. They aren't even driven by the President. That position has evolved into an allusion of power. Just as President Eisenhower warned us in 1960 about the chance for misplaced power. The wars revolve around the Military Industrial Complex, because it has become a business. The business of war, enriching a number of interests that have nothing to do with protecting the citizens, or in the interest and well-being of our own country.

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 10:01 PM
These wars have nothing to do with National Security. They aren't even driven by the President. That position has evolved into an allusion of power. Just as President Eisenhower warned us in 1960 about the chance for misplaced power. The wars revolve around the Military Industrial Complex, because it has become a business. The business of war, enriching a number of interests that have nothing to do with protecting the citizens, or in the interest and well-being of our own country.

Did you know we didn't really land on the moon? I'm sure you did.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-24-2014, 11:42 PM
These wars have nothing to do with National Security. They aren't even driven by the President. That position has evolved into an allusion of power. Just as President Eisenhower warned us in 1960 about the chance for misplaced power. The wars revolve around the Military Industrial Complex, because it has become a business. The business of war, enriching a number of interests that have nothing to do with protecting the citizens, or in the interest and well-being of our own country.

Did President Eisenhower warn us about the illusion of misspelled words, or did he only make an allusion to it?

sandsjames
01-24-2014, 11:45 PM
Did President Eisenhower warn us about the illusion of misspelled words, or did he only make an allusion to it?

Do you find you review your post 3 or 4 times before pointing out a spelling/grammar error? It can be pretty embarrassing if you screw it up.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-25-2014, 12:08 AM
Do you find you review your post 3 or 4 times before pointing out a spelling/grammar error? It can be pretty embarrassing if you screw it up.

I can review it 10 times and still fuck it up. I just wish my first supervisor didn't have a stick up his ass; I would probably be a much better person if he cared about more than "just the job."

sandsjames
01-25-2014, 12:11 AM
I can review it 10 times and still fuck it up. I just wish my first supervisor didn't have a stick up his ass; I would probably be a much better person if he cared about more than "just the job."

Absolutely. Supervisors should teach proper spelling/editing skills. As a matter of fact, I always banned calculators in my shop so that troops would have to do the math themselves when using formulas. I felt it was my responsibility to ensure they could do basic math.

fufu
01-25-2014, 12:20 AM
Absolutely. Supervisors should teach proper spelling/editing skills. As a matter of fact, I always banned calculators in my shop so that troops would have to do the math themselves when using formulas. I felt it was my responsibility to ensure they could do basic math.

Well played!!

Absinthe Anecdote
01-25-2014, 12:30 AM
Absolutely. Supervisors should teach proper spelling/editing skills. As a matter of fact, I always banned calculators in my shop so that troops would have to do the math themselves when using formulas. I felt it was my responsibility to ensure they could do basic math.

That is fucking brilliant!

My second supervisor did show me how to compute the apparent lateral velocity of Imperial Walkers on the North Ridge and it is a skill that I have always shared with our future Star Pilots, or whatever the fuck they are called these days.

sandsjames
01-25-2014, 12:33 AM
That is fucking brilliant!

My second supervisor did show me how to compute the apparent lateral velocity of Imperial Walkers on the North Ridge and it is a skill that I have always shared with our future Star Pilots, or whatever the fuck they are called these days.

I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters.

No need to do calculations if you use the force.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-25-2014, 12:53 AM
I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters.

No need to do calculations if you use the force.

At the risk of going too far with this gag, that might very well be, the most pompous line that Luke ever uttered.

Shit, if I was in charge of his training, I would have made him levitate half the rocks in the Vega-Gandolf System for saying something as cocky as that.

sandsjames
01-25-2014, 12:56 AM
At the risk of going too far with this gag, that might very well be, the most pompous line that Luke ever uttered.

Shit, if I was in charge of his training, I would have made him levitate half the rocks in the Vega-Gandolf System for saying something as cocky as that.Vega-Gandolf...I like that...

BRUWIN
01-25-2014, 01:05 AM
Exactly...other than "patriotism" there's really no incentive anymore

Patriotism got me signed up and through my first enlistment. After that it kind of wears off because you've already done more than most Americans by that point.

sandsjames
01-25-2014, 01:07 AM
Patriotism got me signed up and through my first enlistment. After that it kind of wears off because you've already done more than most Americans by that point.

Come on Bru...that part of the conversation ended about 6 hours ago. You're like an Ewok...you're cute and the kids like you but you don't really add anything to the story.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-25-2014, 01:08 AM
Vega-Gandolf...I like that...

Anyway, I'm gunna go pop some tags...

I wear your grand-dad's clothes...

I look incredible...

I'm in this big ass coat from that thrift shop down the road...

sandsjames
01-25-2014, 01:10 AM
Anyway, I'm gunna go pop some tags...

I wear your grand-dad's clothes...

I look incredible...

I'm in this big ass coat from that thrift shop down the road...

Hadn't heard of this guy 'til they started advertising him for the Grammy's.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-25-2014, 02:27 AM
Hadn't heard of this guy 'til they started advertising him for the Grammy's.

I tried to post a YouTube link to the video, but the mods killed it. :(

So might I suggest, that all the readers of this thread go immediately and download as many Nicki Minaj videos as possible.

Make it a point to download; the explicit versions of : Pound The Alarm; Va Va Voom, and Starship!

As an added bonus, you might catch an Air Force recruitment video called, Cargo Town, that highlights Dover AFB.

However, the Nicki Minaj videos will be so much more enjoyable.

Bumble78
01-25-2014, 11:26 AM
That is fucking brilliant!

My second supervisor did show me how to compute the apparent lateral velocity of Imperial Walkers on the North Ridge and it is a skill that I have always shared with our future Star Pilots, or whatever the fuck they are called these days.
I think they are going to start calling them Starfighters. Because we will soon be down to the Last one. Then Xur is going to mess us up like renters mess up the neighborhood.

imnohero
01-25-2014, 11:36 AM
I think they are going to start calling them Starfighters. Because we will soon be down to the Last one. Then Xur is going to mess us up like renters mess up the neighborhood.

100 points for the old sci-fi reference. :)

diabolic
01-26-2014, 12:33 AM
A little behind the conversation, but would like to see it back on track....

If the AF did get those amount of numbers for early outs, what does that say about the current state of the AF? Do that many people feel that strongly about getting out because of the politics that linger in the office? Is it because of how "de-militarized" we've become? Since we've advertised that 25K are being removed, did big AF really think that very few would take early outs? I know in my office, this is a big deal, with several people being affected and no one else to step in to those current positions to fill them.

Maybe the biggest positive out of this entire debacle is that they'll space out all the CBT's because of all the shifting workload on people. One could at least hope for something good to come with all the people jumping ship.

Airborne
01-26-2014, 03:50 AM
A little behind the conversation, but would like to see it back on track....

If the AF did get those amount of numbers for early outs, what does that say about the current state of the AF? Do that many people feel that strongly about getting out because of the politics that linger in the office? Is it because of how "de-militarized" we've become? Since we've advertised that 25K are being removed, did big AF really think that very few would take early outs? I know in my office, this is a big deal, with several people being affected and no one else to step in to those current positions to fill them.

Maybe the biggest positive out of this entire debacle is that they'll space out all the CBT's because of all the shifting workload on people. One could at least hope for something good to come with all the people jumping ship.

Obviously they did because they were touting very strongly that people would be involuntarily separated because there was no way they would get enough volunteers. I havent seen any solid numbers for my AFSC or for big blue, but from what Im hearing they pretty much got a very high percentage from volunteers and they didnt even take that many of the article 15 types.

diabolic
01-26-2014, 01:17 PM
My understanding is that there are several lists, not just the ones that are advertised. The people who are on the CC's shit list are getting pushed out and those people don't count against the 25K that are getting out.

UH1FE
01-26-2014, 01:40 PM
I know quite a few at 14 years that have said if early retirement is available next year they are punching out. So 45-50k volunteering would be no suprise.

jerseyfla
01-26-2014, 02:57 PM
Obviously they did because they were touting very strongly that people would be involuntarily separated because there was no way they would get enough volunteers. I havent seen any solid numbers for my AFSC or for big blue, but from what Im hearing they pretty much got a very high percentage from volunteers and they didnt even take that many of the article 15 types.


After seeing the Involuntary Lists with the AFSC Overage/Eligible numbers that were released Friday, I refuse to believe the OPs rumor until I see numbers change or the Retention Boards killed. My career field is going to bleed TSgts 43/83 and MSgts 27/19 with the way the numbers look.

BOSS302
01-26-2014, 05:21 PM
After seeing the Involuntary Lists with the AFSC Overage/Eligible numbers that were released Friday, I refuse to believe the OPs rumor until I see numbers change or the Retention Boards killed. My career field is going to bleed TSgts 43/83 and MSgts 27/19 with the way the numbers look.

Huh? Why would your career field "bleed TSgts" if you are barely at your half strength for TSgts? Perhaps you meant 83/43?

Bunch
01-26-2014, 05:51 PM
The question I have is this rumor is true is... Does it really matter? Lets say that the number is that high but is really concentrated on a few AFSC's like medical, intel, spec ops, cyber and pilots or any other specilaties that are really lucrative on the civilian side. That means that a lot of people that want to leave won't be approved to leave and a lot of people that don't want to leave will be shown the door. It changes nothing.

jerseyfla
01-26-2014, 06:35 PM
Huh? Why would your career field "bleed TSgts" if you are barely at your half strength for TSgts? Perhaps you meant 83/43?

52% is a big number in our career field (Pharmacy- 4P0X1)

Absinthe Anecdote
01-26-2014, 06:54 PM
52% is a big number in our career field (Pharmacy- 4P0X1)

Not when you consider the fact that we have the technology to build Pharmacists Robots that can out perform the whiny, complaining humans and their need for retirement benefits.

Predator Drones where only the first place this technology emerged; just wait, one day that dumb pharmacy waiting room with it's annoying "Now Serving Sign" will be replaced by a super efficient Physician-Pharmacist Robot.

I just hope they replace all the Ammo Troops with robots first. I'm really sick of listening to them shout, "If you ain't Ammo, you ain't shit" at Wing CC Calls.

Seriously, the Pharmacy career field is ripe for being reduced and augmented by automated systems.

BRUWIN
01-26-2014, 07:20 PM
I must be missing something because I don't understand why people are panicking right now. The AF is only looking for 5,000 people to get out in 2014 correct? That was the last figure I heard. i would think that meeting that goal with volunteers would be very doable.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-26-2014, 07:48 PM
I must be missing something because I don't understand why people are panicking right now. The AF is only looking for 5,000 people to get out in 2014 correct? That was the last figure I heard. i would think that meeting that goal with volunteers would be very doable.

I don't understand why they are panicking either; all the more justification to replace as many people with robots as soon as possible. Have you ever heard of a robot panicking?

I already submitted design specs on a robot that can perform the tasks of 250 DOD civilian GS-11s.

They never go around the office pointing out to people that they hold the equivalent rank of captain either. Also, they never get their arms stuck in a vending machine trying to retrieve a dangling Kit Kat Bar, and then, cry for help until the Fire Department is called.

BOSS302
01-26-2014, 08:33 PM
I must be missing something because I don't understand why people are panicking right now. The AF is only looking for 5,000 people to get out in 2014 correct? That was the last figure I heard. i would think that meeting that goal with volunteers would be very doable.

I'm tired of seeing your name pop-up in threads that concern the active duty Air Force. You hung that hat up a long time ago. You're a "Mr." now; you are a GS-11 "captain equivalent" sucking up taxpayer dollars. You need to make a GS-11 thread and stay within your lane, bucko.

imnohero
01-26-2014, 09:31 PM
I must be missing something because I don't understand why people are panicking right now.

Maybe because the Air Force put out crappy information and what they did put out made it seem like they wanted to ID all 25K by 1 March. Can't really blame people for thinking they were on the "chopping block" when HQ does such a piss-poor job. Even taking it all with grain of salt and ignoring the BS it looks like 25000 draw down over the next 5 years, but not 5K per year...something like 5-10K this year and then 4 more years of non-vol separation announcement, drawdown talk, more-with-less, etc. Maybe it's not panic...maybe people are just realizing it's not worth it anymore and are taking advantage of the programs. I said it in another thread when this all started last month...they are going to get way more volunteers than they need to reduce the force by, just like in the 90s.

BRUWIN
01-26-2014, 09:51 PM
I'm tired of seeing your name pop-up in threads that concern the active duty Air Force. You hung that hat up a long time ago. You're a "Mr." now; you are a GS-11 "captain equivalent" sucking up taxpayer dollars. You need to make a GS-11 thread and stay within your lane, bucko.

I'm actually paid by Military Times to come here in a consultancy role. True story. So STFU.

BRUWIN
01-26-2014, 09:56 PM
They never go around the office pointing out to people that they hold the equivalent rank of captain either.

Well if they don't hold the civilian equivalent rank of captain than they couldn't go around saying that now could they. I can because I do.

DocBones
01-26-2014, 11:17 PM
AbsintheAnecdote,

In some VA hospitals, robots have been used for quite awhile, in the pharmacies.

Z1911
01-27-2014, 12:24 AM
Anyone still remember the voluntary early separation program the AF had back in the late 80's, early 90's? As I recall, back then Big Blue was looking for around 5K-6K to step up and accept the early separation. ROE was basically "we don't care what your rank is, how long you've been in, how much longer you've got on your current enlistment, or what your AFSC is...If you want out, sign this paper and effective 31 Dec, you're gone."

I seem to recall Blue was flabbergasted when over 16K departed the fix, outbound on 31 Dec.

Some AFSCs were so badly gutted, they still haven't recovered.

Guess if you're on the bus long enough, the wheels really do go round and round and round...:roll:roll:roll:roll:roll

Gonzo432
01-27-2014, 02:00 AM
Anyone still remember the voluntary early separation program the AF had back in the late 80's, early 90's? As I recall, back then Big Blue was looking for around 5K-6K to step up and accept the early separation. ROE was basically "we don't care what your rank is, how long you've been in, how much longer you've got on your current enlistment, or what your AFSC is...If you want out, sign this paper and effective 31 Dec, you're gone."

I seem to recall Blue was flabbergasted when over 16K departed the fix, outbound on 31 Dec.

Some AFSCs were so badly gutted, they still haven't recovered.

Guess if you're on the bus long enough, the wheels really do go round and round and round...:roll:roll:roll:roll:roll

I remember those days. That wasn't long after the AF peaked at 617K in 87. By the late 90s they were throwing cash at high school kids to join and conscripting ex-recruiters back into 8R0. If you stay around long enough you'll see everything multiple times.

wxjumper
01-27-2014, 02:36 AM
Huh? Why would your career field "bleed TSgts" if you are barely at your half strength for TSgts? Perhaps you meant 83/43?

You're reading that wrong. 43/83 on the Force Shaping Matrix means that they are 43 over on TSgts and there are 83 eligible for Force Shaping, meaning those 43 will have to come out of those 83 either by voluntary or involuntary measures. .

Absinthe Anecdote
01-27-2014, 02:53 AM
Well if they don't hold the civilian equivalent rank of captain than they couldn't go around saying that now could they. I can because I do.

They don't, because they don't have an ego to stoke, they have no chevrons, no shoulder boards, and no GS ratings. They also, do not go around the office pleading, for someone to give them a break of that Kit Kat Bar.

Sorry Bru, but it is time you face up to the fact that you are obsolete. Hell, I even have design specs for a robotic squadron superintendent that can edit ten times as many EPRs as a human Chief can in a fraction of the time.

My robotic Chief can even go to luncheons and be 100 times more cordial and entertaining than a human Chief while surreptitiously monitoring everyone's alcohol consumption.

BOSS302
01-27-2014, 06:34 AM
You're reading that wrong. 43/83 on the Force Shaping Matrix means that they are 43 over on TSgts and there are 83 eligible for Force Shaping, meaning those 43 will have to come out of those 83 either by voluntary or involuntary measures. .

Negative.

wxjumper
01-27-2014, 07:31 AM
Negative.

"Estimated Overage" numbers are based on the current personnel inventory in combination
with projected AF requirements‐‐NOT the current Unit Manning Documents.
‐ "Estimated Overage" are the total number of estimated overages for the entire year group
in that AFSC.
‐ "Estimated Eligible" is based on the current inventory of personnel who meet the eligibility
criteria.

BOSS302
01-27-2014, 08:11 AM
"Estimated Overage" numbers are based on the current personnel inventory in combination
with projected AF requirements‐‐NOT the current Unit Manning Documents.
‐ "Estimated Overage" are the total number of estimated overages for the entire year group
in that AFSC.
‐ "Estimated Eligible" is based on the current inventory of personnel who meet the eligibility
criteria.

Source? Not credible without a source.

crwchf16
01-27-2014, 10:07 AM
I can't help but wonder if there are more volunteers for early-sep at certain bases. I'm wondering how this will all impact high ops-tempo locations like Shaw or Hill. This is where their generally crappy treatment of people over the years is really going to come back to bite them.

wxjumper
01-27-2014, 10:30 AM
Source? Not credible without a source.

MyPers: Reduction in Force Eligibility Matrix

Juggs
01-27-2014, 11:40 AM
I can't help but wonder if there are more volunteers for early-sep at certain bases. I'm wondering how this will all impact high ops-tempo locations like Shaw or Hill. This is where their generally crappy treatment of people over the years is really going to come back to bite them.

I garauntee there are folks with early sep apps at many bases.

BOSS302
01-27-2014, 12:01 PM
MyPers: Reduction in Force Eligibility Matrix

Not credible. Even if it was, it's not cited properly. Therefore, the "bullshit flag" has been thrown.

wxjumper
01-27-2014, 12:02 PM
Not credible. Even if it was, it's not cited properly. Therefore, the "bullshit flag" has been thrown.
ohh well, I'll try not to lose any sleep over it.

BOSS302
01-27-2014, 12:04 PM
ohh well, I'll try not to lose any sleep over it.

Good. I am pleased to have taught you a lesson.

wxjumper
01-27-2014, 12:17 PM
Good. I am pleased to have taught you a lesson.Negative.

ihatenonners
01-27-2014, 07:47 PM
there's no way they are getting rid of 18k, or however many that maxtrix adds up to, this year. Less people died at Normandy for christ's sake. So what's the real story here people?

ChiefB
01-28-2014, 06:43 AM
there's no way they are getting rid of 18k, or however many that maxtrix adds up to, this year. Less people died at Normandy for christ's sake. So what's the real story here people?

Regardless of the facts or the rumors, AF will adjust the numbers and percentages to meet it's 5 year goal... it won't have anything to do with the members druthers! Witness the muddy waters mother AF has provided as "guidelines".

We are coming up on a post-war drawdown that has not been seen since the post-Vietnam era. Most of the impetus is economic (read MIC) and highly political.

Even hard-core militarists in the political pot have failed to come to the defense of active duty and retired alike in the areas of proposed pay, Tricare, TA and other benefit cuts. Witness the shameful defense of recent monetary reductions by retired Flag Officers and previously supportive members of Congress (as if they would have any insight into the plight of regular line officers and enlisted).

The funds to perpetuate the acquisition of perpetually underfunded/underperforming/over budget airsheens and other service cosmic do-dads and resultant continuing of a robust MIC is the single most burdensome part of the military budget but the single most politically necessary to sustain. Ergo, manpower loses to air/thing power. DOD will differ with this and quote the unsustainable manpower/retirement and Tricare costs as the nexus of the problem.

Ever it was so after all wars.

Gonzo432
01-28-2014, 09:38 AM
Regardless of the facts or the rumors, AF will adjust the numbers and percentages to meet it's 5 year goal... it won't have anything to do with the members druthers! Witness the muddy waters mother AF has provided as "guidelines".

We are coming up on a post-war drawdown that has not been seen since the post-Vietnam era. Most of the impetus is economic (read MIC) and highly political.

Even hard-core militarists in the political pot have failed to come to the defense of active duty and retired alike in the areas of proposed pay, Tricare, TA and other benefit cuts. Witness the shameful defense of recent monetary reductions by retired Flag Officers and previously supportive members of Congress (as if they would have any insight into the plight of regular line officers and enlisted).

The funds to perpetuate the acquisition of perpetually underfunded/underperforming/over budget airsheens and other service cosmic do-dads and resultant continuing of a robust MIC is the single most burdensome part of the military budget but the single most politically necessary to sustain. Ergo, manpower loses to air/thing power. DOD will differ with this and quote the unsustainable manpower/retirement and Tricare costs as the nexus of the problem.

Ever it was so after all wars.

You are spot-on with many points here ChiefB. The "Force-Whatever Matrix" sounds like something that works good for a room full of engineers, but needs to be "plain Farmer Brown English" when released to the people whose lives are affected. Releasing goobledy-gook makes the releasers feel smarter since no one else can figure out the crap.

As for the retired GOs: I hear "I got mine, screw you!" every time they talk.

Maybe if "cosmic do-dad cost overruns" were programmatically identified in the budget (pie chart??) the powers that be would get slapped every time they spout "PERSONNEL COSTS!! BLAH!!!" since there won't be anyone left to run the cosmic do-dads otherwise. Plus if they were serious about personnel costs, they'd close a few bases.

If this site had rep points, you'd get +10 for "cosmic do-dads".

BURAWSKI
01-28-2014, 08:13 PM
You are spot-on with many points here ChiefB. The "Force-Whatever Matrix" sounds like something that works good for a room full of engineers, but needs to be "plain Farmer Brown English" when released to the people whose lives are affected. Releasing goobledy-gook makes the releasers feel smarter since no one else can figure out the crap.

As for the retired GOs: I hear "I got mine, screw you!" every time they talk.

Maybe if "cosmic do-dad cost overruns" were programmatically identified in the budget (pie chart??) the powers that be would get slapped every time they spout "PERSONNEL COSTS!! BLAH!!!" since there won't be anyone left to run the cosmic do-dads otherwise. Plus if they were serious about personnel costs, they'd close a few bases.

If this site had rep points, you'd get +10 for "cosmic do-dads".


Sounds like they are still going to use smoke and mirrors, except maybe on this drawdown a lot more people are going to get screwed.

AirDrop23
02-03-2014, 02:07 PM
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Juggs
02-04-2014, 10:39 AM
Post Removed.

Yea only military times can post bullshit.

Absinthe Anecdote
02-04-2014, 10:58 AM
Yea only military times can post bullshit.

I was going to post something about that ridiculous "Coin Knife" that they have been advertising on their website for the last several years.

As a matter of fact, if you want a great selector to identify people to be separated from the military it should be anyone who orders a "Coin Knife."

We can't afford to have people that are that dumb in the service anymore.https://store.nwtmint.com/images/products/586__orig.jpg

Hoo-huh???
02-04-2014, 11:32 AM
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Good thing I read all of it before it was deleted...