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sigecaps
01-04-2014, 11:59 PM
Is it legal for US military members stationed there too? Asking for a friend. :D

360BHR
01-05-2014, 12:28 AM
No

efmbman
01-05-2014, 12:42 AM
A state law will never cancel out a federal law. The Feds have said they will not actively enforce the law in areas that have legalized weed. In fact, federal employes can be drug tested and still be terminated for positive drug use even if in Colorado.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
01-05-2014, 12:44 AM
Is it legal for US military members stationed there too? Asking for a friend. :D

I have no doubt that everyone stationed in CO hasn't already received 130 emails threatening them with UCMJ action if they take even one whiff of that stuff.

Chief_KO
01-05-2014, 01:03 AM
About 3 years ago I was in Ft Collins, CO (home of Colorado State Univ) on my way back to Rapid City. I stopped to get a Five Guys burger (still waiting for FG to open in RC). Anyhoo, sitting there enjoying my burger looking out the window. I saw a small business across the street with their name painted on the window...place was called "Higher Education"...I thought it was a book store or something till I saw the pot leaf painted below their name.
Pretty good business strategy for FG to be right across the street...

sandsjames
01-05-2014, 01:48 AM
Retired members don't get tested at all. Just sayin...

Airborne
01-05-2014, 02:11 AM
Yeh still not federally legal. However, if all goes well in CO (which is seems to be doing) and later on in WA, other states will jump on board with a quickness. Im not sure if the feds will jump on board but I cant imagine them leaving all that tax revenue on the table. I could see a vast majority of states perhaps legalizing during the 2016 elections and the feds getting on board by '18.

360BHR
01-05-2014, 02:26 AM
Yeh still not federally legal. However, if all goes well in CO (which is seems to be doing) and later on in WA, other states will jump on board with a quickness. Im not sure if the feds will jump on board but I cant imagine them leaving all that tax revenue on the table. I could see a vast majority of states perhaps legalizing during the 2016 elections and the feds getting on board by '18.

Even if it ever does become legal on the federal level, I still wouldn't count on it being permitted for AD personnel. It's legal to conceal carry in CO, and guns are legal under federal law, but you can't carry a personal firearm on a military installation.

ihatenonners
01-05-2014, 02:27 AM
the final nail in the coffin for prohibition will be the development of an accurate and quick test to measure an individual's level of marijuana intoxication. Once that happens, and it will happen within the next 10 years, the floodgates will open nationwide and that includes the military.

Airborne
01-05-2014, 02:48 AM
Even if it ever does become legal on the federal level, I still wouldn't count on it being permitted for AD personnel. It's legal to conceal carry in CO, and guns are legal under federal law, but you can't carry a personal firearm on a military installation.

I dont think that's an accurate comparison. You are correct, but in your example, military members can conceal carry off base. Just like in Nevada you can conceal and open carry, but casinos dont allow it as it's private property. In your example if, military members werent allowed to concel carry off base, then it would be equitable.

360BHR
01-05-2014, 02:56 AM
I dont think that's an accurate comparison. You are correct, but in your example, military members can conceal carry off base. Just like in Nevada you can conceal and open carry, but casinos dont allow it as it's private property. In your example if, military members werent allowed to concel carry off base, then it would be equitable.
Fair point, I was just using an example that there are many situations that are legal, but military are still prohibited to do. How about this: every base sends out a list of "Off-Limits" establishments, bars or other places that are perfectly legal to enter, but military are banned from. Or it's not illegal to get a tattoo on your face or one of an obsene word on your forearm, but there are AFIs that military members cannot.

garhkal
01-05-2014, 04:32 AM
Even if it ever does become legal on the federal level, I still wouldn't count on it being permitted for AD personnel. It's legal to conceal carry in CO, and guns are legal under federal law, but you can't carry a personal firearm on a military installation.

Very true. i know plenty who have earned their concealed carry permits, but still can't do so on a mil base.

But this is slightly different cause if i got a CC permit, i could still carry off base. Doubt i could smoke weed off duty/base and not get busted for it when i went back into work (if i was still active duty)..

technomage1
01-05-2014, 08:34 AM
Just because it's legal doesn't mean we can do it. There are places where drugs are legal but you'll still get the boot since its a no no for us - Amsterdam springs to mind, for example. Same with prostitution. Regardless of if it's legal at the location, iwe can be kicked out for utilizing them.

Chief_KO
01-05-2014, 12:27 PM
Retired members don't get tested at all. Just sayin...

Unless it's required as part of their civilian job...my first retired job (non-GS) required an initial drug test & possibility of random drug testing as part of the requirements.

Gonzo432
01-05-2014, 12:29 PM
I have no doubt that everyone stationed in CO hasn't already received 130 emails threatening them with UCMJ action if they take even one whiff of that stuff.

And that's just the new e-mails. If you count the reply to all and forwards its more like 6 gazillion.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
01-05-2014, 12:43 PM
And that's just the new e-mails. If you count the reply to all and forwards its more like 6 gazillion.

Oh, the ones from the shirt that state, "let me piggyback on what the Wing/CC, Command Chief and SQ/CC said."

Chief_KO
01-05-2014, 12:49 PM
Oh, the ones from the shirt that state, "let me piggyback on what the Wing/CC, Command Chief and SQ/CC said."

Because when Little Johnny pops positive on Operation GOLDEN FLOW the questions are always "Did his unit brief him on the policy?"

Do we really need Commanders policy letters on Safety, Sexual Harassment, Discrimination??? Other than a UCI write-up (and bulletin board filler) they serve no purpose other than CYA.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
01-05-2014, 12:52 PM
Because when Little Johnny pops positive on Operation GOLDEN FLOW the questions are always "Did his unit brief him on the policy?"

Do we really need Commanders policy letters on Safety, Sexual Harassment, Discrimination??? Other than a UCI write-up (and bulletin board filler) they serve no purpose other than CYA.

And if we have these policy letters hanging up, then why the emails, stand-down days and constant reminders about what we are always reminded of? So effing silly!

Chief_KO
01-05-2014, 12:54 PM
And if we have these policy letters hanging up, then why the emails, stand-down days and constant reminders about what we are always reminded of? So effing silly!

Today's Airmen can't read???

Gonzo432
01-05-2014, 02:39 PM
Oh, the ones from the shirt that state, "let me piggyback on what the Wing/CC, Command Chief and SQ/CC said."
Just to paraphrase the Flight Sup, who reiterated what the Flight/CC forwarded, who highlighted the FYI from the Sq/CC and underscored the Chief's piggy-back of both the Group Sup and the Command Chief, who echoed the sentiments of both the Group and Wing/CCs, who copy, pasted and forwarded the original e-mail from the JAG that was sent to everyone on base two days ago...

AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!! No wonder there's not enough time in the day!!

DocBones
01-05-2014, 02:58 PM
I remember how I was pretty much assured of getting an urinalysis almost every time I went to the VA hospital, back in the day. I am pretty sure that the VA can still do that. This is a heads up for retirees and/or people that use the VA hospitals.

Not that I would ever take those marijuana pills (which my mother asked me if I was taking them when I was 15).

They do exist, in the form of Marinol, which doesn't get anyone high. Or so I have heard.

Maybe some of you have never been asked for a UA for the purpose of drug screening at a VA hospital, but it IS there.

sandsjames
01-05-2014, 04:06 PM
Unless it's required as part of their civilian job...my first retired job (non-GS) required an initial drug test & possibility of random drug testing as part of the requirements.

Luckily I'm retired with no civilian job.

imported_KnuckleDragger
01-05-2014, 04:29 PM
I remember how I was pretty much assured of getting an urinalysis almost every time I went to the VA hospital, back in the day. I am pretty sure that the VA can still do that. This is a heads up for retirees and/or people that use the VA hospitals.

Not that I would ever take those marijuana pills (which my mother asked me if I was taking them when I was 15).

They do exist, in the form of Marinol, which doesn't get anyone high. Or so I have heard.

Maybe some of you have never been asked for a UA for the purpose of drug screening at a VA hospital, but it IS there.

Then the question is...

What will they VA do if they find THC in a retiree's UA?

Greg
01-05-2014, 05:44 PM
Then the question is...

What will they VA do if they find THC in a retiree's UA?

Send the person to VARC. Rehab and counseling.

DocBones
01-06-2014, 01:02 AM
Ummm, right. A FRIEND of mine was threatened with the stoppage of any payments of his 100% VA compenstation, if he failed another drug screening test. That was back when electroconvulsive therapy way all the rage, though...

MisterBen
01-06-2014, 01:23 AM
I am at Carson and we already had these briefs from every Commander possible. No means NO!! :)

OtisRNeedleman
01-06-2014, 01:53 AM
I remember how I was pretty much assured of getting an urinalysis almost every time I went to the VA hospital, back in the day. I am pretty sure that the VA can still do that. This is a heads up for retirees and/or people that use the VA hospitals.

Not that I would ever take those marijuana pills (which my mother asked me if I was taking them when I was 15).

They do exist, in the form of Marinol, which doesn't get anyone high. Or so I have heard.

Maybe some of you have never been asked for a UA for the purpose of drug screening at a VA hospital, but it IS there.

I don't use VA medical facilities. I use only civilian medical facilities.

Airborne
01-06-2014, 02:24 AM
I am at Carson and we already had these briefs from every Commander possible. No means NO!! :)

I get it. There are some people (E-1 - E4ish) who will genuinely think that since it's legal to buy from a legal shop then it's ok to use or if they eat it in a brownie it wont show up so the reminders are needed but Im sure it gets tiresome after the millionth time. Im surprised everyone hasnt gotten something considering it's within driving distance of some large active duty stations. Once someone fails a urinalysis in CO, but has deep enough pockets to actually fight a court martial things will get interesting. Maybe not solved, but interesting.

garhkal
01-06-2014, 06:08 AM
I can just see the lawyers waiting for this to actually come up. Someone pops in one of those states, and they sue on behalf of the service person, saying the mil's NO drugs policy is against state laws and therefore against the human rights of the service men and women..

sigecaps
01-07-2014, 05:53 AM
I wonder if those stationed in Colorado will be "randomly selected" more frequently.

efmbman
01-07-2014, 12:08 PM
I wonder if those stationed in Colorado will be "randomly selected" more frequently.

I was in Germany for 8 wonderful years, and I always noticed UAs were conducted after 4-day weekends when someone had a pass to Amsterdam.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-07-2014, 12:20 PM
I always enjoyed those urban legends about how to fool the test, like drinking lots of pickle juice or putting a handful of pennies in your mouth when you pee.

efmbman
01-07-2014, 01:11 PM
Believe it or not... there was an officer in our sister unit that used a catheter to insert his wife's urine into his bladder before a UA. It did not go well. The result was the type of image you would see on rotten{dot}com.

Chief Bosun
01-07-2014, 02:01 PM
Short answer is no, and that applies to both military and federal civilian personnel.

SomeRandomGuy
01-07-2014, 02:39 PM
Legal Weed in Colorado is no different than "spice" in other states. Just because you can legally buy it does not mean you can legally use it in the military.

BOSS302
01-07-2014, 03:32 PM
Lol. This forum is hilarious. One guy asks a simple question, gets a simple answer. Then someone else chimes in with their version of the same answer. Then another version of that version of the same answer.

Someone throws in concealed weapons.

There's a story about Amsterdam.

And now, four pages later.

Reminds me of a "pre-meeting for the weekly meeting" in which everyone piggybacks.

BISSBOSS
01-07-2014, 03:44 PM
I was in Germany for 8 wonderful years, and I always noticed UAs were conducted after 4-day weekends when someone had a pass to Amsterdam.

Concur. I was in USAFE for MANY years and on PRP... I was "randomly" selected EVERY time I went to A-dam!

Go figure...

-BB-

SomeRandomGuy
01-07-2014, 04:45 PM
Lol. This forum is hilarious. One guy asks a simple question, gets a simple answer. Then someone else chimes in with their version of the same answer. Then another version of that version of the same answer.

Someone throws in concealed weapons.

There's a story about Amsterdam.

And now, four pages later.

Reminds me of a "pre-meeting for the weekly meeting" in which everyone piggybacks.

I concur with what BOS302 said. This is becoming an issue here. People reply to threads but nothing they said adds vaue. Please take a minute to read BOS302's post above when you have time.

sigecaps
01-07-2014, 05:01 PM
I concur with what BOS302 said. This is becoming an issue here. People reply to threads but nothing they said adds vaue. Please take a minute to read BOS302's post above when you have time.

I just want to piggyback on what BOS and RandomGuy said and say let's remember to add value when we reply to posts or forward emails. :)

DWWSWWD
01-07-2014, 05:21 PM
I agree. It's the same thing as spice which is legal in some states just to re-emphasize what some others have said. I'm a Chief, piggybacking is second nature to me.

BENDER56
01-07-2014, 06:11 PM
I agree. It's the same thing as spice which is legal in some states just to re-emphasize what some others have said. I'm a Chief, piggybacking is second nature to me.

As a former 1st Sgt, I would be remiss if I didn't re-send Chief DWWSWWD's sage thoughts out to all MT Forum members for re-emphasis. Also, the Booster Club meets today at 1630. We'll be discussing the Forum's 2015 Holiday Party. I expect all Forum members to forgo going home to their families and join us after work to ensure this year's party is the Best Ever.

Oh, and don't drink and drive, no means no, and if your wingman gets in trouble your Forum career is over.

That is all.

Absinthe Anecdote
01-07-2014, 06:48 PM
I always enjoyed those urban legends about how to fool the test, like drinking lots of pickle juice or putting a handful of pennies in your mouth when you pee.

I would like to take a moment to reiterate that putting a handful of pennies in your mouth while you pee is just an urban legend. It won't confuse the test results and you could accidentally choke on the pennies.

Drinking lots of pickle juice does slow down the onset of male pattern baldness and is effective in combatting erectile dysfunction, provided that you drink the pickle juice while taking 100mg of Viagra 30 minutes prior to sexual activity.

However, drinking lots of pickle juice is largely ineffective in thwarting the urinalysis test, unless you can somehow put the pickle juice directly into the specimen container.

Oh, if you are stationed in Colorado you don't have to worry about pickle juice or pennies because pot is legal there.

kool-aid
01-07-2014, 08:34 PM
My friend the pothead swears that eating alka-seltzer will get you passing results.

DocBones
01-08-2014, 12:35 AM
kool-aid,

I wouldn't trust the buddy with the reefer madness. Alka Selzter will for sure give anyone that tries that a false positive. Just saying.

Anything in the mouth, such as alka seltzer or pennies, or anything else has 0 effect on a urinalysis. However, eating a batch of alka seltzer beforehand will cause the UA to read positive.

The best way to pass a UA drug screening is not to be using the devils weed.

Also, stay away from Ecstasy. :baby

Chief_KO
01-08-2014, 01:45 AM
Could always crush the Alka Seltzer into powder and insert into Mr Happy...
Just be sure to record it so you can be on YouTube

imported_WILDJOKER5
01-08-2014, 04:38 PM
I dont think that's an accurate comparison. You are correct, but in your example, military members can conceal carry off base. Just like in Nevada you can conceal and open carry, but casinos dont allow it as it's private property. In your example if, military members werent allowed to concel carry off base, then it would be equitable.

Better comparison would be the homosexual marriage being legal in some states, but the military wouldnt recognize it still.

SomeRandomGuy
01-08-2014, 05:12 PM
My friend the pothead swears that eating alka-seltzer will get you passing results.

I heard that one doesn't work. I also have a friend who you would refer to as a "pothead". I prefer to call him an undocumented pharmacist.


Anyways, my friend the undocument pharmacist has a surefire to pass a urinalysis. Before beginning to urinate take your pinky finger and insert it slightly into your anus. Collect some of the oils from your anus. Then rub said oils into urinalysis collection tube before passing urine. The more oils you can get the better. In fact if you are able to do so undetected it is best to go ahead and take a dump in the urinalysis collection tube. This will guarantee a pass 100%, or at least that is what my friend says and I trust him because he is a pharmacist.

raider8169
01-08-2014, 05:46 PM
So what happens to dependents? Nothing right?

So what happens when those same dependents make brownies for the squadron pot luck...

Good times for everyone lol

SomeRandomGuy
01-08-2014, 05:51 PM
So what happens to dependents? Nothing right?

So what happens when those same dependents make brownies for the squadron pot luck...

Good times for everyone lol

Depends where that squadron potluck is held? Bringing drugs onto federal property is illegal. For example, even though weed is legal in Colorado you can't bring it with you to the courthouse. If a dependant were to make brownies and bring them on base they would be charged in federal court. Now if those brownies were made by the dependant and unknowingly brought on by the military member that might be the kind of fun you are thinking of.

Chief_KO
01-08-2014, 05:52 PM
So what happens to dependents? Nothing right? So what happens when those same dependents make brownies for the squadron pot luck...Good times for everyone lol

EPR bullet reads: - Coordinated baked goods donations for unit pot luck; 125 Airman & family members enjoyed event--all raved "Best "Pot" luck in history!"

Absinthe Anecdote
01-08-2014, 06:07 PM
Anyways, my friend the undocument pharmacist has a surefire to pass a urinalysis. Before beginning to urinate take your pinky finger and insert it slightly into your anus. Collect some of the oils from your anus. Then rub said oils into urinalysis collection tube before passing urine. The more oils you can get the better. In fact if you are able to do so undetected it is best to go ahead and take a dump in the urinalysis collection tube. This will guarantee a pass 100%, or at least that is what my friend says and I trust him because he is a pharmacist.

That one does work, but you left out the part about rubbing the oils all over your upper lip.

If the urinalysis monitor says anything to you, just toss him a flirty wink and explain that you are just like Han Solo because you love to stroke your Wookie.

Chief_KO
01-08-2014, 06:44 PM
That one does work, but you left out the part about rubbing the oils all over your upper lip.

If the urinalysis monitor says anything to you, just toss him a flirty wink and explain that you are just like Hand Solo because you love to stroke your Wookie.

Fixed it for you!!

Absinthe Anecdote
01-08-2014, 06:47 PM
Fixed it for you!!

I'm pretty sure his name is Han, but then again, I'm no Trekkie.

garhkal
01-08-2014, 07:23 PM
So what happens to dependents? Nothing right?

So what happens when those same dependents make brownies for the squadron pot luck...

Good times for everyone lol

Most likely the sponsor of those dependents gets hit with charges..

kool-aid
01-08-2014, 09:00 PM
Han Solo is from Star Wars, not Star Trek. I'm such a nerd. If it's still PC to say nerd. :nerd

imported_KnuckleDragger
01-08-2014, 09:11 PM
Han Solo is from Star Wars, not Star Trek. I'm such a nerd. If it's still PC to say nerd. :nerd
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WeaponsTSGT
01-09-2014, 03:51 PM
I remember how I was pretty much assured of getting an urinalysis almost every time I went to the VA hospital, back in the day. I am pretty sure that the VA can still do that. This is a heads up for retirees and/or people that use the VA hospitals.

Not that I would ever take those marijuana pills (which my mother asked me if I was taking them when I was 15).

They do exist, in the form of Marinol, which doesn't get anyone high. Or so I have heard.

Maybe some of you have never been asked for a UA for the purpose of drug screening at a VA hospital, but it IS there.

The VA can not and will not randomly give you a urinalysis to check for drugs if you are no longer on active duty. This might have happened years ago but no longer. This would constitute illegal search and seizure, and since you are given your constitutional rights back the day you receive your DD214 it won't happen, at least not for long.

RetC141BFCC
01-09-2014, 05:08 PM
The VA can not and will not randomly give you a urinalysis to check for drugs if you are no longer on active duty. This might have happened years ago but no longer. This would constitute illegal search and seizure, and since you are given your constitutional rights back the day you receive your DD214 it won't happen, at least not for long.
. Not true. I get at least 4 golden flows per year from the VA the call it a DSU (drug screening test.) If the VA gives you any sort of Narcotics you will be screened for illegal and prescribed drugs. My Primary care Doctor told me they did it for two reasons. One was to make sure that I was not using illegal drugs. If I use any illegal drugs the VA would take away my pain pills. The 2nd reason was to make sure that I was taking the drugs I was given. The VA gives my Morphine and Vicodine. If it does not show up in my system they would no longer prescribe the drugs. There has been problems with Veterans selling their pain pills.

imported_KnuckleDragger
01-09-2014, 09:06 PM
. Not true. I get at least 4 golden flows per year from the VA the call it a DSU (drug screening test.) If the VA gives you any sort of Narcotics you will be screened for illegal and prescribed drugs. My Primary care Doctor told me they did it for two reasons. One was to make sure that I was not using illegal drugs. If I use any illegal drugs the VA would take away my pain pills. The 2nd reason was to make sure that I was taking the drugs I was given. The VA gives my Morphine and Vicodine. If it does not show up in my system they would no longer prescribe the drugs. There has been problems with Veterans selling their pain pills.


That doesn't sound random then...

Chief_KO
01-09-2014, 09:39 PM
Back in the 80's my AFSC (remote radar ranges) was near the top for pot use. We had mandatory every 60 month 100% Operation GOLDEN FLOW (OGF). At one site I was at that meant a 3 day TDY for the support base several hundred miles away to drive up/test/drive back. One guy couldn't go, so they sent him across the street to a local bar for a beer (in uniform)...unfortunately he was an alcoholic. He came back about 30 minutes later, drunk and ready to go.
True Story.

WeaponsTSGT
01-10-2014, 02:29 AM
. Not true. I get at least 4 golden flows per year from the VA the call it a DSU (drug screening test.) If the VA gives you any sort of Narcotics you will be screened for illegal and prescribed drugs. My Primary care Doctor told me they did it for two reasons. One was to make sure that I was not using illegal drugs. If I use any illegal drugs the VA would take away my pain pills. The 2nd reason was to make sure that I was taking the drugs I was given. The VA gives my Morphine and Vicodine. If it does not show up in my system they would no longer prescribe the drugs. There has been problems with Veterans selling their pain pills.

This is the same as any civilian pain clinic, first you'll sign a pain contract and then you are tested as part of your pain management, this is not meant to curtail illegal drug usage but to make sure you are properly taking your pain medication, although illegal drug usage is a reason for you to be dropped from a pain clinic. I'm currently in pain management with a civilian provider and am required to do the same thing. Again this is all because of your medical care and pain contract and it does not apply to all that use the VA only those that have chronic pain and use pain medication.

DocBones
01-10-2014, 02:43 PM
I don't recall when the UAs were largely stopped by the VA. In the day, after retiring, I grew my hair long, and had a beard that Phil from the DD would have been jealous of.

Since I didn't smoke marihoochy, I was always bemused by the fact that they were trying to get down on a hippy appearing like veteran.

Talk about profiling!

RetC141BFCC
01-10-2014, 04:06 PM
That doesn't sound random then...

Notice I said at least 4 times per year. Just last week I was called and told they would not refill my meds unless I came in for a drug test. My last drug test was last month. I don't mind Just Like when I was in the AF my job also gives me drug test. The company Doc freaked when I tested postive for Morphine.

wxjumper
01-12-2014, 07:11 AM
Is it legal for US military members stationed there too? Asking for a friend. :DDon't listen to anybody here. Of course it is legal for you to smoke pot. It is state law and you are residing in the state, so yes you can do it. SMOKE UP KID!!