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Stalwart
12-28-2013, 06:30 PM
From Politico:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/nsa-phone-surveillance-ruling-101569.html

A U.S. District Judge has overruled a lower court ruling earlier this month by U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon, who granted a preliminary injunction against the collecting of phone records.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which has said it will appeal to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Juggs
12-28-2013, 06:39 PM
I think that's horse poo.

Chief_KO
12-28-2013, 08:17 PM
Previous court rulings (I believe by the Supreme Court) have stated that the outside of an envelope or package (from address to address) are considered "public domain" are not protected.
The same could be (and is said) regarding a phone listing of to/from number called. The only panic from the masses is that since it is all digitized and readily available (as opposed to physically looking at envelopes) is that now hundreds of millions of data points is now available.
A court order/search warrant would be required for any phone taps to record/analyze what is being said.
Personally, I don't have a problem with this.

AJBIGJ
12-29-2013, 02:55 PM
It's a manner of two things that concern me most, first, metadata can, in aggregate, lead an analyst to determine a whole lot more than just the basics (hence why we've become so OPSEC sensitive over all of these years.)

Secondly, we know for a fact that Federal executive agencies have been used in targeting political enemies, when you use the information from the former to target the latter, you can very quickly lose our ever expanding government force mechanisms to those who most effectively use these tools to build a power base around themselves. Especially when wielding the media as a mouthpiece for propagandizing not what the facts are, but what seems the most controversial.