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Slyoldawg
11-17-2013, 05:46 PM
As an old Vietnam Vet my eyes start to mist up when I see the videos of Troops surprising their children and pets by showing up unexpectedly after a tour in the sandbox. When I compare it to the welcome home we got when returning from Vietnam I get pretty envious.

What is starting to disgust me now though, is that commercialism is starting to creep into this beautiful act of surprising wives, husbands and children with their return.

Here in California daily I see commercials, one a pet food commercial showing a fake "welcome home" video between a female soldier and her dog that is bigger than she is. The least they can do is make her look like a real soldier. Another "anti-smoking" commercial shows an obviously fake soldier surprising his mother who looks like a school crossing guard, or garbage collector. Although that is an improvement over the older commercials showing women talking through a hole in her throat from a cancer operation caused by smoking. These commercials are shown over and over during the day.

This commercialism of a great act of welcoming family members home is beginning to make me wonder which are the fake, and which are the authentic welcome home videos. Sometimes I wonder if it's just me being bitter about the welcome home we got so many years ago.

Drackore
11-18-2013, 03:31 PM
My next deployment when I come home to surprise my family, I am going to make a surprise video and get some product corps to sponsor it. Make some serious $$$. Get a few Coke cans and maybe some KFC in the video.

raider8169
11-18-2013, 03:34 PM
I really hate those videos. Those types of things should be private and not in the public eye.

BENDER56
11-18-2013, 04:12 PM
I really hate those videos. Those types of things should be private and not in the public eye.

I agree.

Unfortunately, I think our view of privacy is outdated. The younger generations think everything they do should be online for everyone to share.

When I see all these contrived videos where the returning service member pretends to be a hockey goalie or MLB catcher and the wife is escorted out to meet them under some pretense ... I don't know, it all seems so staged and exploitative. I don't like it, but if that's what the families want, who am I to chime in?

Airborne
11-18-2013, 06:45 PM
As an old Vietnam Vet my eyes start to mist up when I see the videos of Troops surprising their children and pets by showing up unexpectedly after a tour in the sandbox. When I compare it to the welcome home we got when returning from Vietnam I get pretty envious.

What is starting to disgust me now though, is that commercialism is starting to creep into this beautiful act of surprising wives, husbands and children with their return.

Here in California daily I see commercials, one a pet food commercial showing a fake "welcome home" video between a female soldier and her dog that is bigger than she is. The least they can do is make her look like a real soldier. Another "anti-smoking" commercial shows an obviously fake soldier surprising his mother who looks like a school crossing guard, or garbage collector. Although that is an improvement over the older commercials showing women talking through a hole in her throat from a cancer operation caused by smoking. These commercials are shown over and over during the day.

This commercialism of a great act of welcoming family members home is beginning to make me wonder which are the fake, and which are the authentic welcome home videos. Sometimes I wonder if it's just me being bitter about the welcome home we got so many years ago.

I think the atmosphere surrounding returning Vietnam veterans is the main reason we have this false hero worship of our military. Sure in some way we are all putting ourselves in harms way and making some sacrifices, but really we are sitting in the same cube farms and doing the same blue collar jobs as everyone else and getting compensated well to do so. I dont slight the American public for the recognition, I just think it gives many military members an undue sense of entitlement like in your stated example. Similarly related is the military members asking celebrities to thier service balls. Nothing encourages my wrath more.

Drackore
11-18-2013, 07:20 PM
And ya know...I get it when the Marine or Soldier does it...they are gone 14+ months, front line FOBs...chewing sand. They miss it all - all the birthdays, anniversary, holidays. The videos really MEAN something.

When us AF types do it...*MOST* of us (not all...I know some of us, me included on a few deployments) are gone six months at best. We missed one birthday, maybe a Christmas....whatever. We were gone half a freaking year.

And you're going to do a tearful "Surprise I'm home" video? Seriously? And they do pull on your typical idiot civilian heartstrings, until some Soldier or Marine sees it and they say "We were gone almost two years and that's just tacky as shit".

Yea yea, I'm ranting to rant.

Gonzo432
11-18-2013, 11:56 PM
I think the atmosphere surrounding returning Vietnam veterans is the main reason we have this false hero worship of our military. Sure in some way we are all putting ourselves in harms way and making some sacrifices, but really we are sitting in the same cube farms and doing the same blue collar jobs as everyone else and getting compensated well to do so. I dont slight the American public for the recognition, I just think it gives many military members an undue sense of entitlement like in your stated example. Similarly related is the military members asking celebrities to thier service balls. Nothing encourages my wrath more.

Interesting view on the situation.

akruse
11-19-2013, 12:01 AM
And ya know...I get it when the Marine or Soldier does it...they are gone 14+ months, front line FOBs...chewing sand. They miss it all - all the birthdays, anniversary, holidays. The videos really MEAN something.

When us AF types do it...*MOST* of us (not all...I know some of us, me included on a few deployments) are gone six months at best. We missed one birthday, maybe a Christmas....whatever. We were gone half a freaking year.

And you're going to do a tearful "Surprise I'm home" video? Seriously? And they do pull on your typical idiot civilian heartstrings, until some Soldier or Marine sees it and they say "We were gone almost two years and that's just tacky as shit".

Yea yea, I'm ranting to rant.

Year long deployments are long since over for the great majority. Most Army (they seem to have the longest) I have interacted with over the last two years are gone 7 months tops. There are (at least in my community) quite a few 365 deployments now days for us.

I agree that a great majority of them are "look at me" I'm special type folk. I could never do it. Just get me to my family and a cold beer. I can't imagine sitting around a day early or however they do these things and just waiting when you could be with the family or whoever you are waiting to surprise.

The whole "I should be treated differently because I'm a vet" shit has really started to piss me off lately. You see it everywhere now. It seems like every news article you read of "Veteran denied right to do such and such". You aren't different and you aren't special. If you're special, you won't be the one saying it.

Slyoldawg
11-19-2013, 12:24 AM
I think the atmosphere surrounding returning Vietnam veterans is the main reason we have this false hero worship of our military. Sure in some way we are all putting ourselves in harms way and making some sacrifices, but really we are sitting in the same cube farms and doing the same blue collar jobs as everyone else and getting compensated well to do so. I dont slight the American public for the recognition, I just think it gives many military members an undue sense of entitlement like in your stated example. Similarly related is the military members asking celebrities to thier service balls. Nothing encourages my wrath more.

It wasn't just the civilians who gave Vietnam Vets the cold shoulder when we returned. I had two members of the family who served in the Army during WW II. One a Colonel and the other a MSgt We have a picture of the NCO uncle being pinned with the Silver Star by General Patton for something he did in action in Europe. I had occasions to visit both relatives several times after returning from my tours in Vietnam. Not a word was asked, nor mentioned about anything in Vietnam. It was as if they were not even aware of the crap going on in SE Asia. My brother, a 20 year Marine, never mentioned Vietnam to me once. Actually, since brothers were not allowed to serve, my tours prevented him from going. I returned from my last tour in 1970 and he died in 2002. Thirty two years and Vietnam never crossed his lips to me.

VCO
11-19-2013, 04:14 AM
And ya know...I get it when the Marine or Soldier does it...they are gone 14+ months, front line FOBs...chewing sand. They miss it all - all the birthdays, anniversary, holidays. The videos really MEAN something.

When us AF types do it...*MOST* of us (not all...I know some of us, me included on a few deployments) are gone six months at best. We missed one birthday, maybe a Christmas....whatever. We were gone half a freaking year.

And you're going to do a tearful "Surprise I'm home" video? Seriously? And they do pull on your typical idiot civilian heartstrings, until some Soldier or Marine sees it and they say "We were gone almost two years and that's just tacky as shit".

Yea yea, I'm ranting to rant.

Wrong. The Marines were deploying for 6-7 months at a time just like us. Quite a few of us Airmen were right there with them chewing sand. Don't sell us short as a service just on your perspective. You don't speak for me, or thousands of other Airmen.

VCO
11-19-2013, 04:16 AM
Sure in some way we are all putting ourselves in harms way and making some sacrifices, but really we are sitting in the same cube farms and doing the same blue collar jobs as everyone else and getting compensated well to do so.
Once again. Very narrow, dangerous, and flawed point of view.

Airborne
11-19-2013, 04:56 AM
Once again. Very narrow, dangerous, and flawed point of view.

Maybe narrow and flawed, but I dont think my computer is going to explode.

Sure you have your tank drivers, your infantrymen, your expediters launching aircraft from a carrier and many more unique and dangerous jobs. All of this in foreign lands away from our families for months at a time. But lets not pretend our job is oh so different than civilians. Damn near every "white collar" squadron will have cube farms. Every "blue collar" squadron will have people doing very similar things to those on the outside. Generating sorties in the maintenance squadron is not very different than the maintenance crew at Delta making sure the planes get off the ground. They just have a union to back them up. We have the AF Sergeants Association. And while my opinion may not be popular or even factually wrong, it doesnt give some E-7 the right to demand x y and z because he's in the military or just got back from "the desert" or that we saved your ass in WW2.

technomage1
11-19-2013, 06:56 AM
Once again. Very narrow, dangerous, and flawed point of view.

I'll keep his point of view in ind the next time I convoy FOB to FOB for my job, or go downtown for it. Not fun.

VCO
11-19-2013, 07:59 AM
I'll keep his point of view in ind the next time I convoy FOB to FOB for my job, or go downtown for it. Not fun.

Right there with you brother. Convoyed thousands of miles on the most dangerous road in the world, in a truck without armor. As an engineer, I saw quite a few Airmen in harms way. I think after SF and EOD, engineers and veh ops guys were very much in direct harms way.

technomage1
11-19-2013, 08:35 AM
Engineers lead the way, no question. SFS aside, who else does their own work party security outside the wire? Combat comm, maybe? O course the veh ops guys are out there as you mention but I don't believe they do their own security, at least they haven't that I've seen.

I laughed my butt of when some maintainer told me he deployed to Guam. Uh, no you went TDY. I don't give a rats whisker what is says on your orders. You. Went. TDY.

VCO
11-19-2013, 10:09 AM
Engineers lead the way, no question. SFS aside, who else does their own work party security outside the wire? Combat comm, maybe? O course the veh ops guys are out there as you mention but I don't believe they do their own security, at least they haven't that I've seen.

I laughed my butt of when some maintainer told me he deployed to Guam. Uh, no you went TDY. I don't give a rats whisker what is says on your orders. You. Went. TDY.

The veh ops guys put up with some s^&^. Not sure if they pulled their own security, but they were definitely in some firefights. Their whole deployment consisted of non-stop convoying. We also had Airmen guarding prisons over there.

jshiver15
11-19-2013, 10:12 AM
And ya know...I get it when the Marine or Soldier does it...they are gone 14+ months, front line FOBs...chewing sand. They miss it all - all the birthdays, anniversary, holidays. The videos really MEAN something.

When us AF types do it...*MOST* of us (not all...I know some of us, me included on a few deployments) are gone six months at best. We missed one birthday, maybe a Christmas....whatever. We were gone half a freaking year.

And you're going to do a tearful "Surprise I'm home" video? Seriously? And they do pull on your typical idiot civilian heartstrings, until some Soldier or Marine sees it and they say "We were gone almost two years and that's just tacky as shit".

Yea yea, I'm ranting to rant.

I get what you're saying, but 6 months is still a long time. My kid was just over a year old and I really missed a lot in the 7 months I was gone. Not to mention I missed Thanksgiving, Christmas, my wife's birthday, Valentine's Day, Veteran's Day, and most importantly, St. Patrick's day.

jshiver15
11-19-2013, 10:21 AM
But to address to OP's topic, I think a lot of the videos coming out now are pretty tacky. I like the ones where it's just a home video of a mom or dad surprising their kids at home (like the one where the dad dresses up as Captain America for his son's birthday), but the ones where the guy makes some huge entrance during a football game or some bullshit like that is so self-serving. I get it, you miss your family and you want to surprise them. But don't play the "look at me, I'm a veteran" game.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-19-2013, 11:06 AM
But to address to OP's topic, I think a lot of the videos coming out now are pretty tacky. I like the ones where it's just a home video of a mom or dad surprising their kids at home (like the one where the dad dresses up as Captain America for his son's birthday), but the ones where the guy makes some huge entrance during a football game or some bullshit like that is so self-serving. I get it, you miss your family and you want to surprise them. But don't play the "look at me, I'm a veteran" game.

I'm with you, I cringe at the thought of even being near one of those videos. I simply could not imagine going on one of the network news morning shows as a part of a reunion clip. No thanks.

I have never understood the type of person who would seek out that much attention.

Whoever mentioned the dog food commercial that was shot as a "reunion" clip was spot on. It pissed me off because it was unabashedly, fake, hokey, and full of so much syrupy sentimentality that I wanted to gag.

Plenty of people love that kind of crap. I don't get it; they must be the same type of people who scream and faint at the appearance of a pop star or who paint their faces and take elaborate banners to sporting events.

WTF?

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-19-2013, 11:14 AM
I hate that show all about the home coming of the soldiers. Its like a competition of who can out do one another. Last time I came back from Korea, I was sitting in a living room with other people when my now ex-wife came and sat down and started talking to people. It took her about 30 seconds before she realized I was there.

Drackore
11-19-2013, 03:22 PM
You missed the entire second paragraph. And yes, even though folks went on 6 month deals went and saw shit and lived in crap conditions...six months is six months. What the fuck ever....go make your "Surprise I'm home video" then. Whoopdie doo.

Don't twist my "perspective" just because your twat is bleeding over your misinterpretation of the point I was making Nancy.


Wrong. The Marines were deploying for 6-7 months at a time just like us. Quite a few of us Airmen were right there with them chewing sand. Don't sell us short as a service just on your perspective. You don't speak for me, or thousands of other Airmen.

js7799
11-19-2013, 04:18 PM
A Major here at Robins surprised his kids at their high school graduation. They didn't think he was going to be home in time and he arranged it so he could be. There was a piece in the local paper about it and that was about it. That's the kind of surprise I can get behind, not some of the other selfish examples posted here.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-19-2013, 04:45 PM
A Major here at Robins surprised his kids at their high school graduation. They didn't think he was going to be home in time and he arranged it so he could be. There was a piece in the local paper about it and that was about it. That's the kind of surprise I can get behind, not some of the other selfish examples posted here.

But even that is pushing it in my opinion; no, scratch that, it is in bad taste. Why clutter up a graduation ceremony with that hokey bullshit just to put your family in the spotlight?

Why not surprise them at home? Why choose the graduation ceremony to pop out of the jack-in-the-box?

Unless it is to focus attention on your family and away from the other students that are participating, kind of rude and verging on an imposition to others in the ceremony if you ask me. Crap, why not have Dad use a hand buzzer and squirting lapel flower on the kids when they run up to him and submit the clip to Youtube?

All these people are looking for is something that will go viral.

It's over done and downright corny at this point.

VCO
11-19-2013, 10:02 PM
You missed the entire second paragraph. And yes, even though folks went on 6 month deals went and saw shit and lived in crap conditions...six months is six months. What the fuck ever....go make your "Surprise I'm home video" then. Whoopdie doo.

Don't twist my "perspective" just because your twat is bleeding over your misinterpretation of the point I was making Nancy.

I didn't misinterpret your point. I stated that it is flawed. Don't short change people for their contribution and don't assume 6 months is just 6 months. People lost families, missed births, missed holidays, and more during that six month period. I saw it first hand.

CJSmith
11-20-2013, 12:03 PM
Then there is this. He wasn't deployed at all. Just returning from his OCONUS assignment. His family left a couple months prior to get settled in.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-texhvhzTkU

js7799
11-20-2013, 01:40 PM
But even that is pushing it in my opinion; no, scratch that, it is in bad taste. Why clutter up a graduation ceremony with that hokey bullshit just to put your family in the spotlight?

Why not surprise them at home? Why choose the graduation ceremony to pop out of the jack-in-the-box?

Unless it is to focus attention on your family and away from the other students that are participating, kind of rude and verging on an imposition to others in the ceremony if you ask me. Crap, why not have Dad use a hand buzzer and squirting lapel flower on the kids when they run up to him and submit the clip to Youtube?

All these people are looking for is something that will go viral.

It's over done and downright corny at this point.

I didn't think about it like that, good points.

RetC141BFCC
11-20-2013, 03:07 PM
Engineers lead the way, no question. SFS aside, who else does their own work party security outside the wire? Combat comm, maybe? O course the veh ops guys are out there as you mention but I don't believe they do their own security, at least they haven't that I've seen.

I laughed my butt of when some maintainer told me he deployed to Guam. Uh, no you went TDY. I don't give a rats whisker what is says on your orders. You. Went. TDY.

As an old retired AF Maintainer. I have to agree with you. A couple of weeks ago the local civilian paper here had a front page story of a Langley AFB fighter squadron returning from a six month deployment to Japan. Japan that’s a deployment? That was a six month party. To me if I can drink a beer sleep in AC take a nice shower go off base and party that’s a TDY. I did two six month trips to Honduras in the early 90s everybody was calling it a Deployment to me it was a TDY. Had a club on base could chase woman down town go to casinos. That to me is not deployment to me they were 6 month working vacations. I guess the 90 days TDY to Greece were my hotel balcony over looked a topless beech and I worked about 3 days a week was a rough deployment also. To those of you who go outside of the wire and risk your ass thanks for what you do.

raider8169
11-20-2013, 04:14 PM
A Major here at Robins surprised his kids at their high school graduation. They didn't think he was going to be home in time and he arranged it so he could be. There was a piece in the local paper about it and that was about it. That's the kind of surprise I can get behind, not some of the other selfish examples posted here.

You always think about these things. The father changed his returning time? Wasted time waiting for the right moment to come out. That is time you could have already been with your kids. When you miss 6 months a year it is the little things that mean the world to me. I go home for lunch everyday now when I never did that before just so I can see my kids for a few minutes and have lunch with them. That is time they will never get back no matter how hard you try why make them wait even more. Graduating from high school should be about the child graduating instead of a father returning. Plus the other kids have to waste their time when they want to go be with their friends and family.

RetC141BFCC
11-20-2013, 04:51 PM
Maybe narrow and flawed, but I dont think my computer is going to explode.

Sure you have your tank drivers, your infantrymen, your expediters launching aircraft from a carrier and many more unique and dangerous jobs. All of this in foreign lands away from our families for months at a time. But lets not pretend our job is oh so different than civilians. Damn near every "white collar" squadron will have cube farms. Every "blue collar" squadron will have people doing very similar things to those on the outside. Generating sorties in the maintenance squadron is not very different than the maintenance crew at Delta making sure the planes get off the ground. They just have a union to back them up. We have the AF Sergeants Association. And while my opinion may not be popular or even factually wrong, it doesnt give some E-7 the right to demand x y and z because he's in the military or just got back from "the desert" or that we saved your ass in WW2.

I sorry I have to disagree with you on this. As a retired AF Maintainer I got screwed on every single deployment. Not TDY deployment. Six days on and one day off 12 hour shifts for months at a time.
Now as a Union Mechanic for an airliner its 10 hour shifts 4 days on 3 days off. They have to ask me to work OT. They have to ask me to come to work on my day off. Let me explain to you how that works. After 10 hours I am paid time and one half i.e. 45 bucks an hour. After 12 hours I am paid $ two times my salary 60 Bucks an hour. Now next Thursday on Thanksgiving Day I will be paid $75 dollars an hour. If tonight I have too much to drink I can call out sick and still get paid. No Doctors Visit no needing the clinics permission.
So comparing a AF mechanic who works his or her ass off to a civilian mechanic is a crock. If I worked the amount of hours on my job now as I did while in the AF I probably be making 120 thousand a year. There is a big difference in AF jobs the closer you get to the flight line. How many people have you seen in the cube farm your words not mine get Article 15s for not doing their jobs correctly

DWWSWWD
11-20-2013, 05:43 PM
I spoke at a high school on Veterans' Day. I shared a couple of quick stories but the overall message was what I think all of our nation's veterans would want me to tell them. That was "thank you". I told them that their generation was the first to separate the war from the warrior and that regardless of what they, or more likely their parents thought about the war, they supported the troops. I told them about heading to my abandoned 747 that I claimed for myself and reading letters from schoolkids every day before bed. I thanked the parents and teachers for letting them never forget. I told them that I know we will never spit on a veteran again, like my Dad's generation did. Anywho..... I am not a look at me kind of guy and some of these things do get hokey but somewhere in there breeds public support for pay and benefits preservation and overall good will toward the sled dogs.

jshiver15
11-21-2013, 09:07 PM
You missed the entire second paragraph. And yes, even though folks went on 6 month deals went and saw shit and lived in crap conditions...six months is six months. What the fuck ever....go make your "Surprise I'm home video" then. Whoopdie doo.

Don't twist my "perspective" just because your twat is bleeding over your misinterpretation of the point I was making Nancy.

Jesus Christ . . lighten up.

TJMAC77SP
11-21-2013, 10:44 PM
Tonight on the local news there was a story about an AF member who surprised his young son at a school function. What caught my attention was when the announcer said that it had been two and half years since the boy had seen his father.

The Airman had just returned from an assignment in Guam......

Someone with more up to date information will have to clue me in but isn't Guam an accompanied assignment for the AF?

I think the freshness date on this stuff is fast approaching (if not already passed).

raustin0017
11-22-2013, 02:40 PM
Slyoldawg, Our country did you wrong! It was during a difficult time in the U.S. when you returned from serving our Flag. Thank you for doing what you did!

The commercials are just ridiculous.
Have a great day!
Bob


As an old Vietnam Vet my eyes start to mist up when I see the videos of Troops surprising their children and pets by showing up unexpectedly after a tour in the sandbox. When I compare it to the welcome home we got when returning from Vietnam I get pretty envious.

What is starting to disgust me now though, is that commercialism is starting to creep into this beautiful act of surprising wives, husbands and children with their return.

Here in California daily I see commercials, one a pet food commercial showing a fake "welcome home" video between a female soldier and her dog that is bigger than she is. The least they can do is make her look like a real soldier. Another "anti-smoking" commercial shows an obviously fake soldier surprising his mother who looks like a school crossing guard, or garbage collector. Although that is an improvement over the older commercials showing women talking through a hole in her throat from a cancer operation caused by smoking. These commercials are shown over and over during the day.

This commercialism of a great act of welcoming family members home is beginning to make me wonder which are the fake, and which are the authentic welcome home videos. Sometimes I wonder if it's just me being bitter about the welcome home we got so many years ago.

raider8169
11-22-2013, 04:54 PM
Tonight on the local news there was a story about an AF member who surprised his young son at a school function. What caught my attention was when the announcer said that it had been two and half years since the boy had seen his father.

The Airman had just returned from an assignment in Guam......

Someone with more up to date information will have to clue me in but isn't Guam an accompanied assignment for the AF?

I think the freshness date on this stuff is fast approaching (if not already passed).

Sounds to me that the guy is not together with the mom and that during his tour in Guam he never went to visit his son. That is not good news or worthy of just kicking the crap out of the guy for not making more of an effort to see his kid.

TJMAC77SP
11-22-2013, 07:48 PM
Sounds to me that the guy is not together with the mom and that during his tour in Guam he never went to visit his son. That is not good news or worthy of just kicking the crap out of the guy for not making more of an effort to see his kid.

I thought of the divorce angle. The two parents were together at the school but that doesn't mean they aren't divorced. But, you did get the point. I just question it being a 'surprise the kids welcome home' story.