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AJBIGJ
11-13-2013, 03:03 PM
Apparently, if such is to be believed as genuine, ACA supporters are now encouraging millenials to eat, drink, and have sex like it's going out of style, Obamacare has you covered!

New Obamacare Ads?
http://benswann.com/new-obamacare-ads-seem-to-encourage-drinking-promiscuity/

Is this a good idea?

Absinthe Anecdote
11-13-2013, 03:24 PM
Apparently, if such is to be believed as genuine, ACA supporters are now encouraging millenials to eat, drink, and have sex like it's going out of style, Obamacare has you covered!

New Obamacare Ads?
http://benswann.com/new-obamacare-ads-seem-to-encourage-drinking-promiscuity/

Is this a good idea?

I thought those were fake ads but I went to Progress Now Colorado and found them on their website.

Dumb, to say the least.

http://progressnowcolorado.org

Capt Alfredo
11-13-2013, 03:31 PM
Apparently, if such is to be believed as genuine, ACA supporters are now encouraging millenials to eat, drink, and have sex like it's going out of style, Obamacare has you covered!

New Obamacare Ads?
http://benswann.com/new-obamacare-ads-seem-to-encourage-drinking-promiscuity/
Is this a good idea?

They're kind of silly, but you shouldn't imply that Obama is putting them out there. It looks like an independent organization in Colorado. You sell to your customer base.

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-13-2013, 04:32 PM
Yep, nothing better than to sell to the lowest common denominator.

Bunch
11-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Now that's pretty funny... Silly... But funny...

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-13-2013, 05:41 PM
Now that's pretty funny... Silly... But funny...

I think it racist and mysogonistic really, portraying white women as sexaholics is pretty low.

AJBIGJ
11-14-2013, 12:35 AM
They're kind of silly, but you shouldn't imply that Obama is putting them out there. It looks like an independent organization in Colorado. You sell to your customer base.

Hadn't intended to imply as such, not sure where one would read into it that I thought the President was behind this.

Capt Alfredo
11-14-2013, 02:39 AM
Hadn't intended to imply as such, not sure where one would read into it that I thought the President was behind this.

I've seen several FB posts today intimating as much.

AJBIGJ
11-14-2013, 11:26 AM
I've seen several FB posts today intimating as much.

Fair enough, I've seen some similar assertions on my wall.

Absinthe Anecdote
11-14-2013, 11:40 AM
The Limbaugh show was flat out attributing these ads to the Obama administration after making one mention of them being from Progress Now Colorado.

I'm dumb founded that anyone would see an ad like that and then go sign up for healthcare.

Ads like that can't possibly work, can they?

Bunch
11-14-2013, 01:33 PM
The Limbaugh show was flat out attributing these ads to the Obama administration after making one mention of them being from Progress Now Colorado.

I'm dumb founded that anyone would see an ad like that and then go sign up for healthcare.

Ads like that can't possibly work, can they?

Marketing is all about exposure. You plant that seed in the mind of the person and the more the person sees it the more it start to pay attention to it.

As far as Limbaugh attributing these to Obama what else can you expect from that gas bag...

AJBIGJ
11-14-2013, 01:41 PM
Marketing is all about exposure. You plant that seed in the mind of the person and the more the person sees it the more it start to pay attention to it.

I actually agree with this statement, with a single additional addendum, smart marketing is not just selling a person something they want, it's selling a person something because you've made them believe they actually want it.

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-14-2013, 02:04 PM
I actually agree with this statement, with a single additional addendum, smart marketing is not just selling a person something they want, it's selling a person something because you've made them believe they actually want it.

Like selling socialism. You may think you want it, but thats because personal responsibility is a challenge and much harder to sell.

Bunch
11-14-2013, 02:06 PM
I actually agree with this statement, with a single additional addendum, smart marketing is not just selling a person something they want, it's selling a person something because you've made them believe they actually want it.

I don't think there is a single marketing tool that is powerful enough to make people believe they "actually want something", marketing is more about creating awareness of a need, in this case the need of healthcare insurance. I've seen plenty of products or services with huge marketing budgets and they fail simply because there is a disconnect between the product or service being adverstised and the perceive need from the public. Very few products or services manage to produce the results you mention and thats irrelevant to their marketing and it has to do more with the products or service impact to the consumer.

Oddly enough most of the high profile products and gadgets do little in form of mass marketing...Apple, Oracle, Facebook, Twitter, Google, Microsoft.

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-14-2013, 02:12 PM
I don't think there is a single marketing tool that is powerful enough to make people believe they "actually want something", marketing is more about creating awareness of a need, in this case the need of healthcare insurance.

Oddly enough most of the high profile products and gadgets do little in form of mass marketing...Apple, Oracle, Facebook, Twitter, Google, Microsoft.

YOu really think young people dont know about insurance?

So you dont think any car salesmen doesnt convince people they want a car that they dont really need? Car salesmen read their customers very well and market the same car two different ways to who they see coming. Women get shown the MPGs and decorations while men get shown the stereo and looks. Family person gets shown safety while single person gets shown hourse power. Business man gets shown "class" while grungy looking guy gets shown payments.

Bunch
11-14-2013, 02:20 PM
YOu really think young people dont know about insurance?

So you dont think any car salesmen doesnt convince people they want a car that they dont really need? Car salesmen read their customers very well and market the same car two different ways to who they see coming. Women get shown the MPGs and decorations while men get shown the stereo and looks. Family person gets shown safety while single person gets shown hourse power. Business man gets shown "class" while grungy looking guy gets shown payments.

WJ5...I'm a take a break from not responding to you to address this questions just because it has nothing to do with politics.

Do I think young people don't know about health insurance? I don't have data or results of a research to answer either way, I know when I was 18 I knew plenty about health insurance but thats anecdotal not representative. I guess the people that put this ad campaign together did some type of research that showed that young people in the state of Colorado were not much aware about health insurance thats how a marketing campaign usually starts.

In regards to your example of the car salesman and his sales process techniques you need to understand that sales and marketing are two very distinct fields. Thats why you have firms that only deal with marketing consulting. Sales are usually left for the company that will benefit from said marketing.

AJBIGJ
11-14-2013, 03:14 PM
I don't think there is a single marketing tool that is powerful enough to make people believe they "actually want something", marketing is more about creating awareness of a need, in this case the need of healthcare insurance. I've seen plenty of products or services with huge marketing budgets and they fail simply because there is a disconnect between the product or service being adverstised and the perceive need from the public. Very few products or services manage to produce the results you mention and thats irrelevant to their marketing and it has to do more with the products or service impact to the consumer.

Oddly enough most of the high profile products and gadgets do little in form of mass marketing...Apple, Oracle, Facebook, Twitter, Google, Microsoft.

BS, Karl Marx did precisely that, probably the most successful marketing scheme ever devised!

Bunch
11-14-2013, 03:38 PM
BS, Karl Marx did precisely that, probably the most successful marketing scheme ever devised!

Not understanding why you bring Marx into this conversation I will say that when it comes to MODERN politics, yes marketing plays a part of it, but its not all of it. But Marx was not a marketing specialist, you can agree or disagree with his views and teachings but to say he did was a marketing scheme its truly ignorant IMO, he is considered one of the most transcendant figures in human history.

AJBIGJ
11-14-2013, 03:47 PM
Not understanding why you bring Mark into this conversation I will say that when it comes to MODERN politics, yes marketing plays a part of it, but its not all of it. But Marx was not a marketing specialist, you can agree or disagree with his views and teachings but to say he did was a marketing scheme its truly ignorant IMO, he is considered one of the most transcendant figures in human history.

When you sell someone an idea, it's another form of marketing like it or hate it. Successfully applying for a job is just marketing yourself effectively. You don't need to be a marketing specialist to be successful at marketing. Karl Marx successfully marketed an idea that very few felt very well affable towards, and it exploded remarkably throughout entire nations. If that's not successful marketing, I don't know what is. It's not even about how I feel about his ideas, he sold a large portion of the world on it.

Bunch
11-14-2013, 04:04 PM
Karl Marx successfully marketed an idea that very few felt very well affable towards, and it exploded remarkably throughout entire nations. If that's not successful marketing, I don't know what is. It's not even about how I feel about his ideas, he sold a large portion of the world on it.

Marx was an activist there is no doubt about it. But there has been hundreds of activist with tons of ideas that didn't caught on as the ones that Marx did. The questions that needs to be answered is...why his ideas resonated with that many people at that time? Why many of his ideas still resonate today? It all goes back to the needs of the person or in the case of politics the needs of a collective group of people. It wasn't that he was "telling people what to do" it was more that he was presenting people with an alternative view of how things could be done. At that point his ideas caught a life of their own, and he didn't needed to do much activism/marketing for them, as his ideas become a brand name which still remains to this day. You don't see Karl Marx around today doing much marketing, but when you mention Marx or Marxism people know what you are talking about.

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-14-2013, 04:08 PM
Marx was an activist there is no doubt about it. But there has been hundreds of activist with tons of ideas that didn't caught on as the ones that Marx did. The questions that needs to be answered is...why his ideas resonated with that many people at that time? Why many of his ideas still resonate today? It all goes back to the needs of the person or in the case of politics the needs of a collective group of people. It wasn't that he was "telling people what to do" it more that he was presenting people with an alternative view of how things could be done. At that point his ideas caught a life of its own, and he didn't needed to do much activism/marketing for them, as his ideas become a brand name which still remains to this day. You don't see Karl Marx around today doing much marketing, but when you mention Marx or Marxism people know what you are talking about.

The best con men in the world get you to think giving them money was your idea.

Bunch
11-14-2013, 04:11 PM
The best con men in the world get you to think giving them money was your idea.

Thats because con men don't stand on principle.

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-14-2013, 04:19 PM
Thats because con men don't stand on principle.

Yes they do. Their beliefs are their priciple. They feel they deserve every bit of cash you give them because you are the one that suggested the transfer of funds. Your statement is like me saying the Dems have no morals, when in actuality, they do, just different than the morals I have.

Bunch
11-14-2013, 04:28 PM
Yes they do. Their beliefs are their priciple. They feel they deserve every bit of cash you give them because you are the one that suggested the transfer of funds. Your statement is like me saying the Dems have no morals, when in actuality, they do, just different than the morals I have.

I disagree.

Con man for the most part know what they doing is either wrong, illegal and its hurting other people (sometimes all at once) unless you are dealing with a sociopath although you will imagine a sociopath will make for a very bad con man due to the lack of people skills, they make for good killers though. That's has been documented in cases like Bernie Madoff and others.

AJBIGJ
11-14-2013, 04:30 PM
Marx was an activist there is no doubt about it. But there has been hundreds of activist with tons of ideas that didn't caught on as the ones that Marx did. The questions that needs to be answered is...why his ideas resonated with that many people at that time? Why many of his ideas still resonate today? It all goes back to the needs of the person or in the case of politics the needs of a collective group of people. It wasn't that he was "telling people what to do" it more that he was presenting people with an alternative view of how things could be done. At that point his ideas caught a life of its own, and he didn't needed to do much activism/marketing for them, as his ideas become a brand name which still remains to this day. You don't see Karl Marx around today doing much marketing, but when you mention Marx or Marxism people know what you are talking about.

We agree, fantastic marketing, marketing is developing a relationship with the consumer that not only gets them through the door, but also coming back for more, and bonus if you get referrals out of the deal, marketing is more comprehensive than most people understand if they haven't studied it previously.

As to why it resonated, that's a philosophical discussion and deals on many levels. I would ask it in a 3 tiered fashion, why it resonates with some pure intellectuals (while not others)? Also why it resonates with the some of the "haves" of society, and also why it resonates with some of the "have nots" of society. I think we could create pages upon pages of fairly comprehensive additional threads devoted solely to each topic if we liked.

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-14-2013, 05:23 PM
I disagree.

Con man for the most part know what they doing is either wrong, illegal and its hurting other people (sometimes all at once) unless you are dealing with a sociopath although you will imagine a sociopath will make for a very bad con man due to the lack of people skills, they make for good killers though. That's has been documented in cases like Bernie Madoff and others.

And you dont think Obama knew what he was saying was a lie? Even after being advised years ago that the ACA expected 40-70% of people to be dropped from their insurance because it didnt meet the minimum requirements. If they werent in government making these false claims, they would be in jail right along side Benny boy.

Bunch
11-14-2013, 05:29 PM
And you dont think Obama knew what he was saying was a lie? Even after being advised years ago that the ACA expected 40-70% of people to be dropped from their insurance because it didnt meet the minimum requirements. If they werent in government making these false claims, they would be in jail right along side Benny boy.

I see what you doing there...lol...trying to get me into a political discussion...nice try...I love you WJ5...let's be brothers...

imported_WILDJOKER5
11-14-2013, 05:43 PM
I see what you doing there...lol...trying to get me into a political discussion...nice try...I love you WJ5...let's be brothers...

You know if you acted the same way the government acts, you would be in jail.