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AJBIGJ
11-01-2013, 01:09 PM
Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/31/pentagon-training-manual-white-males-have-unfair-advantages/I'm unfamiliar with the manual in question so I will withold judgment under the assumption that the context of this article is questionable at best. Anyone who is familiar with this document care to weigh in?

20+Years
11-01-2013, 02:12 PM
I haven't seen it, but have no doubt its true. The article says, paraphrased, If your a white male christian (wmc) you have it easier than a black female lesbian. Well, that kind of makes sense, doesn't it? You are (wmc), what has been the accepted norm in the U.S. for the last hundred years. We have slowly eliminated segregation, introduced womens rights and now redirected policy to allow gays to serve openly. Those are good things, but not all are equal and accepted as the "norm" by the majority.

What I don't like is the slant of the article or the way it makes the manual sound, to "put down" white male christians. I am as white as white gets, probably considered a "good ole boy", but I can tell you this, I have NEVER dealt with a leadership situation where someone made a decision based on color, sex or preferences. I have seen people passed over for positions because they were idiots, just not trusted to lead, no focus on mission or some such... but as far as I knew, nothing was considered outside of thier potential to do the job.

Rainmaker
11-01-2013, 02:46 PM
Make this Pledge:War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom, Ignorance is Strength- Ministry of Truth

AJBIGJ
11-01-2013, 04:49 PM
It seems to me to be one of those things where the context becomes crucially important. I've worked DEOMI enough to the extent that I don't believe the content was probably malicious in its delivery, even though it sounds kind of bad of and by itself without caveat.

imnohero
11-01-2013, 05:02 PM
I read the article last night and basically dismissed it. One guy objects to 20 pages out of a 800 something page manual that's been in use for years. The article provides no real context, and no counter point from anyone. It (the article) amounts to little more than misinformation.

I bet that I can find one guy in the DoD that objects to 20 pages out of any manual, you know? Doesn't make it national news.

AJBIGJ
11-01-2013, 05:13 PM
I read the article last night and basically dismissed it. One guy objects to 20 pages out of a 800 something page manual that's been in use for years. The article provides no real context, and no counter point from anyone. It (the article) amounts to little more than misinformation.

I bet that I can find one guy in the DoD that objects to 20 pages out of any manual, you know? Doesn't make it national news.

What really raised an eyebrow was the comments about "Obama" being incorporated in here, as far as doctrine goes, that would mean this manual is extremely new. I have no idea whether they are referring to something that was recently released or if it's something that for, all I know, could have existed since President Johnson.

imnohero
11-01-2013, 05:32 PM
Oops, my bad, it's 600 pages, not 800.

The Obama comments are from Allen West. The manual doesn't really have anything to do with the Obama admin. Neither really does DEOMI, since it's been around since 71 (Nixon, if you're keeping track).

SomeRandomGuy
11-01-2013, 05:32 PM
What really raised an eyebrow was the comments about "Obama" being incorporated in here, as far as doctrine goes, that would mean this manual is extremely new. I have no idea whether they are referring to something that was recently released or if it's something that for, all I know, could have existed since President Johnson.

Wait! Are you implying that Obama did not personally write this 600 page manual in an attempt to bring about class warfare, destroy the economy, and institute his version of socialism?

AJBIGJ
11-01-2013, 06:04 PM
Wait! Are you implying that Obama did not personally write this 600 page manual in an attempt to bring about class warfare, destroy the economy, and institute his version of socialism?

I am implying the desire to see intellectual honesty. To pin this policy on Obama's Administration is about as disingenuous as placing blame for the recent shutdown on the GWB Administration.

AJBIGJ
11-01-2013, 06:06 PM
Oops, my bad, it's 600 pages, not 800.

The Obama comments are from Allen West. The manual doesn't really have anything to do with the Obama admin. Neither really does DEOMI, since it's been around since 71 (Nixon, if you're keeping track).

I figured anything EEO related has its roots somewhere in the Johnson presidency, whether it was officially introduced during those particular years or not. I also would think the historic context equally important when analyzing the doctrinal roots.

Rainmaker
11-01-2013, 06:09 PM
Yes it's true. The long War on White Children is much older than the current administration. Frankfurt school of Neo Marxist social theory been around much longer than President Obamao. The current DoD Diversity cult is just following lawful orders, so don't blame them. FORWARD!!!

Rainmaker
11-01-2013, 06:47 PM
Oops, my bad, it's 600 pages, not 800.

The Obama comments are from Allen West. The manual doesn't really have anything to do with the Obama admin. Neither really does DEOMI, since it's been around since 71 (Nixon, if you're keeping track).

The question we should be asking is why do we even need a 600-800 page manual on this garbage? As originally written, the U.S. Constitution consists of 4618 words including the signatures. So it's only 20 pages of 60s counterculture White Liberal self-hating dogma. what harm could it do? Education is when you read the fine print; experience is what you get when you don't. NomSayin?

imnohero
11-01-2013, 10:35 PM
Rainmaker, I get what your saying. It's sort of a separate question that criticism of the article, which is what I was doing.

May I be blunt? While I would love to have a frank open discussion about white privilege, based on how other topics around race have gone on this forum, I don't think it's wise.

Rusty Jones
11-01-2013, 11:44 PM
Rainmaker, I get what your saying. It's sort of a separate question that criticism of the article, which is what I was doing.

May I be blunt? While I would love to have a frank open discussion about white privilege, based on how other topics around race have gone on this forum, I don't think it's wise.

And the way that they react to such discussion only shows their privileged status.

As I've pointed out before, "colorblindness" is a mechanism that's designed to protect those privileges.

VCO
11-01-2013, 11:53 PM
And the way that they react to such discussion only shows their privileged status.

As I've pointed out before, "colorblindness" is a mechanism that's designed to protect those privileges.

Careful. Your racial hatred for white people is showing....

Rusty Jones
11-01-2013, 11:55 PM
Careful. Your racial hatred for white people is showing....

Stop playing the race card ;)

sandsjames
11-02-2013, 12:33 AM
And the way that they react to such discussion only shows their privileged status.

As I've pointed out before, "colorblindness" is a mechanism that's designed to protect those privileges.

"They"? I find that highly offensive.

In response to the question of why we need this manual when we have the constitution, it's the same reason that, as a Tech School instructor, I had to sign a piece of paper saying I wouldn't bang any of my students. It's because, even though the rule is already there at a very basic level (UCMJ) people want another method of CYA. It's stupid shit, just like all the other stupid shit.

imnohero
11-02-2013, 01:14 AM
please, guys. I think we are all aware that we don't get along or agree on this topic. I'm not asking us to get along, I'm asking to just let it go, rather than having an argument again.

I guess I shouldn't have said anything in the first place, so it's my fault for starting it, but can you all just let it go this time?

Rusty Jones
11-02-2013, 01:21 AM
please, guys. I think we are all aware that we don't get along or agree on this topic. I'm not asking us to get along, I'm asking to just let it go, rather than having an argument again.

I guess I shouldn't have said anything in the first place, so it's my fault for starting it, but can you all just let it go this time?

Another manifestation of that privilege? The privileged do their damndest to intimidate you out of talking about it.

imnohero
11-02-2013, 01:59 AM
Another manifestation of that privilege? The privileged do their damndest to intimidate you out of talking about it.

No, just an attempt to avoid futility. Y'all wanna argue, go ahead, I can't stop you. I just won't be part of it because there's no point.

MitchellJD1969
11-02-2013, 02:07 AM
No, just an attempt to avoid futility. Y'all wanna argue, go ahead, I can't stop you. I just won't be part of it because there's no point.

Good luck with that.

Greg
11-02-2013, 02:26 AM
When did white privilege start? It didn't magically appear one day while not being there the day before.

The day some raise their standards, instead of trying to lower the standards of others, is the day privileges will be nonexistent.

Bunch
11-02-2013, 02:39 AM
I see this thread becoming one that could easily be moved to stormfront.org

imnohero
11-02-2013, 02:51 AM
"White Privilege," as such, is a critical race theory, being a subclass of social privilege, and studied by sociologists.

As a theory, its roots go back to W.E.B. DuBois in the 30s. Theodore Allen did much of the development of what is today called "white privilege" in the 60s-70s.

The internet and volumes of books are chock full of information about it, google is your friend.

imnohero
11-02-2013, 02:52 AM
I see this thread becoming one that could easily be moved to stormfront.org

And with that, I'm done. Have fun.

MitchellJD1969
11-02-2013, 03:49 AM
I wonder if the manual covers top hats and monocles?

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
11-02-2013, 12:57 PM
I think white people promotions should be capped at 5% of eligibles. This should help "right the ship" and counter years of inequalities and injustice.

Cerberus
11-02-2013, 01:31 PM
That is not funny, flaps.

BENDER56
11-02-2013, 01:46 PM
That is not funny, flaps.

Look, you mods can enforce the TOS all you want, but you don't get to decide what is or isn't funny. I thought it was a very appropriate use of sarcasm.

Rainmaker
11-03-2013, 03:15 AM
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus

sandsjames
11-03-2013, 11:22 AM
I think white people promotions should be capped at 5% of eligibles. This should help "right the ship" and counter years of inequalities and injustice.

I thought it was very funny. I thought it was a lovely story, and you tell it so well, with such enthusiasm.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
11-03-2013, 12:48 PM
That is not funny, flaps.

You missed the point, Secret Agent Cerberus.

I was making a point of how ridiculous it is when leadership tries to create equality by demonstrating inequality. Affirmative Action is a great example, one which many people in DOD would love to enact.

Rainmaker
11-03-2013, 01:09 PM
"White Privilege," as such, is a critical race theory, being a subclass of social privilege, and studied by sociologists.

As a theory, its roots go back to W.E.B. DuBois in the 30s. Theodore Allen did much of the development of what is today called "white privilege" in the 60s-70s.

The internet and [B]volumes of books are chock full of information about it, google is your friend.

Rainmaker will save you the research time and sum up all volumes of books in one sentence for you:

Racism is the root cause of All Black failures that have ever occurred in the past, present or future. You now have all the information needed to pass the CLEP.

Long version:

It's pretty much a lawyer's brief for the accused: Race differences of outcome in any and every area are due soley to an inferior environment-(Read Whitey's Fault) and no other reason (empirical evidence and deductive reasoning are racist). Therefore, the Black man has to be considered either a Hero or a Victim always. There can never be any in -between. He can never be blamed or held responsible for anything negative he does (no matter how despicable it is).

Whenever he does act like a normal, civilized, human being he must be celebrated and worshiped, for somehow overcoming all the impossible obstacles thrown in front of him, by a society that hates him for no other reason than being born black. You now have all the information needed to write your Senior Level Thesis.