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kool-aid
10-17-2013, 01:34 AM
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20131016/NEWS05/310160034/Army-memo-Soldiers-replace-contractors-dining-security-services




Now that the Army’s training funds are scarce and soldiers have little to do outside the war zone, Army leaders are planning to put thousands to work in dining halls and as security guards.

Army leaders have approved a plan to put soldiers in base operation roles in place of contractors for up to 18 months, according to a memo signed by Army Secretary John McHugh and obtained by Army Times.

In the memo, McHugh seeks an exception to policy to assign soldiers or units to work temporarily in “mission critical” roles “both inside and/or outside their military occupational specialties,” according to the memo to the acting undersecretary of defense.

But at least one Army official disagrees with the plan.

“Non-concur!! Not an appropriate function for soldiers,” reads a note apparently from Army Undersecretary Joseph Westphal in an attached document.

About 6,000 soldiers “regardless of MOS” will be called on for installation support duties, according to an information paper, but a source told Army Times the total could be 14,000 soldiers if the assignments are for six months, and potentially 28,000 soldiers if those duties are for three months. The source spoke on condition of anonymity.

The soldiers would be post-initial training in grades of E-1 to E-5.

The duties would include “manning dining facilities” at permanent stateside posts and overseas training installations and “performing security guard duties” at many stateside posts.

The Army anticipates tackling two issues with the plan: soldiers with less to do, and money drying up for contractors.

Funding cuts due to sequestration mean “reductions are likely to target missions currently performed by civilian employees and service contractors,” states the information paper attributed to Gwendolyn DeFilippi, deputy assistant secretary of the Army, Force Management, Manpower and Resources. “There will be a shortage of training funds and so the majority of soldiers will be trained only to squad and platoon level tasks.”

“Reduced funding will not support collective training and until Army can align the force structure and the end strength (likely two or more years into the future), soldiers will be available to perform base operation functions.”

The need for soldiers to be assigned temporarily to these roles is “paramount,” McHugh says in his memo.



What a fond idea. This is the way it was when I joined the Army in 1991. Seemed like it worked back in the day and might be nice to go back to it.

Pullinteeth
10-17-2013, 06:27 PM
My favorite line?

'“Non-concur!! Not an appropriate function for soldiers,” reads a note apparently from Army Undersecretary Joseph Westphal in an attached document.'

Apparently he isn't aware that both are currently MOS' in the Army.....

efmbman
10-17-2013, 07:59 PM
I wonder if enough people whine and complain about this, will it be recinded like the drone medal was. I see no problem with this. I've done my share of KP and guard duty. It can't be worse than burning 55 gallon drums of human waste.

garhkal
10-17-2013, 08:48 PM
About time. I know in the navy, All enlisted (well except chiefs) get a 6 month stint in one of the galleys/messes on ship. So why not extend it to the other branches.

Chief_KO
10-17-2013, 11:20 PM
Reminds me of Cp Humphreys, ROK circa 1996. USAF unit there was going to pull BAS from all the Airmen (to save $$...supposedly). Once the installation found out all the Airmen living on post would be on rations, they contacted the USAF First Sergeant to let them know of their new KP manpower requirements. Once they took the manpower loss into consideration, the USAF decided paying BAS was more cost efficient.

RobotChicken
10-18-2013, 02:03 AM
About time. I know in the navy, All enlisted (well except chiefs) get a 6 month stint in one of the galleys/messes on ship. So why not extend it to the other branches.

:spy "Used to be 3 months when I was in, E-1-3, pots,pans and service plate, E-4 was minor mess deck at arms, etc."

Greg
10-18-2013, 02:05 AM
Ninety days in the deep sink, as an E-2.

RobotChicken
10-18-2013, 02:19 AM
Ninety days in the deep sink, as an E-2.

:spy "90 days in the real big sink side cleaning and rigging, with needle gun,wire brush, red lead, haze gray, etc. starboard side forward of elevator, ugh!"(think bird farm)

garhkal
10-21-2013, 10:16 PM
:spy "Used to be 3 months when I was in, E-1-3, pots,pans and service plate, E-4 was minor mess deck at arms, etc."

Maybe it was only 3 months.. been 16 or so years since it was ME in that position, so i could be mistaken.

Juggs
10-22-2013, 10:55 PM
I remember on Schofield and wheeler the INF BNs would rotate pulling ECP duty. The chow halls were better then also.

CORNELIUSSEON
10-23-2013, 07:55 PM
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20131016/NEWS05/310160034/Army-memo-Soldiers-replace-contractors-dining-security-services






What a fond idea. This is the way it was when I joined the Army in 1991. Seemed like it worked back in the day and might be nice to go back to it.

I agree. I started in 1967, and pulled KP once per month on posts that didn't have centralized Mess Halls in CONUS. Under the "Guard Duty" heading, I drew a week's duty guarding convicts at the Fort Devens Stockade in 1969. Both duties were Roster Duty, meaning that the Top Kick maintained a Duty Roster, and when your number came up, you served whichever duty was assigned to you. From my own experience, I knew that it was pointless to complain about the duty, so I just reported as ordered, and "enjoyed" the temporary work. In terms of the current generation of soldiers, it should give them a taste of what the Army was like in the days before large scale budgets in Peacetime.