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Pullinteeth
10-15-2013, 12:54 PM
Holy shitballs...Dude had a bit much to drink at Epcot... He is a Naval Academy grad and former football player... Assaulted one Disney employee while trying to climb into an exhibit at Epcot, punched another in the face while trying to steal a cart, then beat another with a PVC pipe when she tried to stop him....

WTF?

From Navy times;
http://www.navytimes.com/article/20131014/NEWS06/310140018/Navy-officer-charged-attacking-Disney-World-employees

From Fox;
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/14/naval-academy-graduate-attacks-3-walt-disney-world-employees-police-say/?intcmp=latestnews

RobotChicken
10-15-2013, 01:17 PM
:spy "Unreal! And he was possibly lined up to fly an $200 million A/C off a $10 billion Carrier? Where do they find these upstanding young men an women from? Now that was one sailor that should have missed his boat and been left behind a long time ago. And at Disney World for goodness sake; what a looser."

UncaRastus
10-15-2013, 02:06 PM
This young ensign was being very considerate. He beat the employee with a pvc pipe, not a lead, iron, clay, or copper pipe.

Greg
10-15-2013, 02:14 PM
What?! No charges of sexual assault for trying to whack the woman with a length of PVC?

Ship him out to the fleet, preferably on a tin-can making a ten month WestPack deployment.

Eighteen to twenty-two hour work days, seven days a week, have a tendency to adjust one's priorities.

Stalwart
10-15-2013, 05:01 PM
It does seem like a huge waste made over getting way too drunk.

The average cost of an Academy education: $425,000.
The average cost of flight school: $235,000

At the same time, I wonder if it was a BM3 who was on liberty that had done the same thing if they story would have made the news in the same fashion?

Greg
10-15-2013, 09:35 PM
It does seem like a huge waste made over getting way too drunk.

The average cost of an Academy education: $425,000.
The average cost of flight school: $235,000

At the same time, I wonder if it was a BM3 who was on liberty that had done the same thing if they story would have made the news in the same fashion?

Hey! I resemble that remark.

True story: There was four of us, from Deck Division, that spent a week-end in Orlando, and were drinking about thirty hours straight.

The one guy, a BM3, cold cocked Goofy. When bailed out, he was asked, "WTF?" "I've always hated Goofy," was the reply.

Juggs
10-15-2013, 10:56 PM
It does seem like a huge waste made over getting way too drunk.

The average cost of an Academy education: $425,000.
The average cost of flight school: $235,000

At the same time, I wonder if it was a BM3 who was on liberty that had done the same thing if they story would have made the news in the same fashion?


Um the asshole went full retard on Disney. He should be taken care of. He's an idiot and POS. if he EVER gets into a leadership position he will be laughed at by his subordinates.

BURAWSKI
10-16-2013, 01:41 AM
Um the asshole went full retard on Disney. He should be taken care of. He's an idiot and POS. if he EVER gets into a leadership position he will be laughed at by his subordinates.

Not excusing the behavior of this turd by any means, but the Naval Academy academic and physical standards have been lowered over the past decade. I think leadership has lowered the bar too low (in my opinion).

Chief Bosun
10-21-2013, 04:24 PM
Yes, the Sailor did suffer from a serious case of cranial-rectal syndrome, but then alcohol tends to cause a lot of folks to come down with that affliction. Given what happened when he did drink too much, he now has some serious issues to deal with, such as civil charges, whatever charges the Navy decides to pursue after the civil authorities get done with him, and so forth. Depending on the outcome of all of this, he can probably forget about having much of a career in the civilian sector after he is escorted to the main gate, and if there are civil judgements entered against him by the folks he attacked, he may be working three shifts and eating bologna.

The only pass (and I do this very reluctantly) I will consider is the Sailor may have a legitimate problem with regard to being able to consume alcohol responsibly, and as a result may get some needed help with that. It does not excuse the fact that they did wrong, and should not be a factor in determining what punishment is administered..

Would an E-4 have gotten the same press under these circumstances? Possibly. I don't know. All I do know (reading the article in the first post) is it did in this case, and now the miscreant has to wait for the results, and then after all is said and done, pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and move forward.

Pullinteeth
10-21-2013, 04:46 PM
Two enlisted servicemembers held him down until the police arrived.... Seems there was a food and wine festival going on at Epcot....
More from Orlando Sentinal http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-10-16/news/os-disney-guests-navy-drunk-man-20131016_1_disney-world-misdemeanor-battery-hill

Chief Bosun
10-21-2013, 07:10 PM
Two enlisted servicemembers held him down until the police arrived.... Seems there was a food and wine festival going on at Epcot....
More from Orlando Sentinal http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-10-16/news/os-disney-guests-navy-drunk-man-20131016_1_disney-world-misdemeanor-battery-hill

Thanks.

Based on what that article said, there will probably be some backtracking to see whether or not he should have been cut off before getting snockered to the point this happened. Not that his intoxication is an excuse for his actions.

And this person was one of those that was supposed to be setting a positive example seeing as he is one of those that is supposed to eventually run the Navy.

technomage1
10-21-2013, 10:04 PM
Bust him down to E-1, put him in the barracks and on rations, then garnish his check until he's paid back the cost of his education and flight school, and also any restitution he winds up owing the people he assaulted. Or kick him out with that debt. That ought to cover his career (and life).

BURAWSKI
10-22-2013, 12:19 AM
Bust him down to E-1, put him in the barracks and on rations, then garnish his check until he's paid back the cost of his education and flight school, and also any restitution he winds up owing the people he assaulted. Or kick him out with that debt. That ought to cover his career (and life).

Some questions I have been asking myself on this though. Who tried to help him? I'm sure he didn't go there alone. He screwed up but I don't see why he should pay for that one mistake the rest of his life.

Gonzo432
10-22-2013, 01:14 AM
Some questions I have been asking myself on this though. Who tried to help him? I'm sure he didn't go there alone. He screwed up but I don't see why he should pay for that one mistake the rest of his life.

I see the Air Force's "blame the wingman" policy has spread to the Navy. One mistake? Try two felonies and a misdemeanor.

BURAWSKI
10-22-2013, 01:31 AM
I see the Air Force's "blame the wingman" policy has spread to the Navy. One mistake? Try two felonies and a misdemeanor.

I'm sorry but I'm from a different time when people helped one another out. Although it may sound like I am trying to blame someone else, that isn't exactly the case. And yes, he fu**ed up and deserves to be held accountable, and will be. From my time in I am used to people looking out for each other a little bit more. In this instance he may not have been able to reign in. If you weren't in ...oh say...about 20 years ago or longer, you won't know what I'm talking about. It sounds foreign to talk about people covering for one another or helping them out of a fix. It used to be quite common place, but unheard of in today's environment. Everybody is focused on just taking care of number one.
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Gonzo432
10-22-2013, 01:49 AM
I'm sorry but I'm from a different time when people helped one another out. Although it may sound like I am trying to blame someone else, that isn't exactly the case. And yes, he fu**ed up and deserves to be held accountable, and will be. From my time in I am used to people looking out for each other a little bit more. In this instance he may not have been able to reign in. If you weren't in ...oh say...about 20 years ago or longer, you won't know what I'm talking about.
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Active duty Feb 86-Aug 07, so yes I know what your talking about. In your post you said, "Some questions I have been asking myself on this though. Who tried to help him? I'm sure he didn't go there alone. He screwed up but I don't see why he should pay for that one mistake the rest of his life." and that's what I replied to, he "wasn't alone" (do you know that? I don't.) He "screwed up" (yeah, felonies are screw-ups). "Used to people looking out for each other" (yeah, me too. You are "sure" he wasn't alone?? Are you "sure" he didn't just take off while the wingman was in line for a $3 bottled water?)

If he wasn't alone, he probably hit his wingmen with a PVC pipe too.

BRUWIN
10-22-2013, 01:54 AM
If this was an AF pilot he'd be up for promotion and flying again already.

Gonzo432
10-22-2013, 01:55 AM
If this was an AF pilot he'd be up for promotion and flying again already.

I heard 12AF is looking for a new Chief of Safety...

BURAWSKI
10-22-2013, 01:57 AM
Active duty Feb 86-Aug 07, so yes I know what your talking about. In your post you said, "Some questions I have been asking myself on this though. Who tried to help him? I'm sure he didn't go there alone. He screwed up but I don't see why he should pay for that one mistake the rest of his life." and that's what I replied to, he "wasn't alone" (do you know that? I don't.) He "screwed up" (yeah, felonies are screw-ups). "Used to people looking out for each other" (yeah, me too. You are "sure" he wasn't alone?? Are you "sure" he didn't just take off while the wingman was in line for a $3 bottled water?)

If he wasn't alone, he probably hit his wingmen with a PVC pipe too.

Relax this isn't a debate. I was just posting an opinion. Not necessary to dissect my comments.

Gonzo432
10-22-2013, 01:59 AM
Relax this isn't a debate. I was just posting an opinion. Not necessary to dissect my comments.

Now you tell me.

technomage1
10-22-2013, 05:36 AM
Some questions I have been asking myself on this though. Who tried to help him? I'm sure he didn't go there alone. He screwed up but I don't see why he should pay for that one mistake the rest of his life.

Plenty of one mistakes haunt people for the rest of their lives.

I'm not saying that if he wasn't there alone that someone shouldn't have helped him out. But everyone is ultimately responsible for their own actions. If his buddies failed to act that is a separate issue to me.

4CECMC
10-22-2013, 08:07 AM
Best they caught him now, vice waiting 20 years until he was the CO of a ship/squadron - can you imagine? Yes the physical/educational standards at all of our Service Academies have been lowered but that is the sign of the times, (kinder/gentler). Also makes you wander who the buffoon was, (Congressman perhaps) that nominated him and just how thorough we evaluated his pre-service resume? One doesn't all of a sudden wake up and say, "I think I'll be an idiot today", there were certainly some obvious character flaws and pre-service indications of animalistic behavior, we just didn't look. Oh, well, give him a TS/SCI and send him to work for NSA, he's destined for greatness therein....

Salty Old Dog
10-25-2013, 05:37 PM
Only one thing to do, now. All Ensigns must go out on liberty with TWO liberty buddies, and officers are barred from places that serve alcohol, at least until they turn 25 years old. Let's see how the O's like it, when they're treated like children. :no:

Chief Bosun
10-26-2013, 03:18 PM
Let's not get into bashing the other services here.

I'm old, but I do remember an incident where the Navy couldn't be bothered to rein in one of their own, and an AF officer had to publicly challenge the other Sailors present to either deal with the issue or he would, starting with having the military authorities greet them at the gate when the aircraft landed (it was enroute to San Diego) and going from there.

Chief Bosun
10-26-2013, 03:28 PM
Best they caught him now, vice waiting 20 years until he was the CO of a ship/squadron - can you imagine? Yes the physical/educational standards at all of our Service Academies have been lowered but that is the sign of the times, (kinder/gentler). Also makes you wander who the buffoon was, (Congressman perhaps) that nominated him and just how thorough we evaluated his pre-service resume? One doesn't all of a sudden wake up and say, "I think I'll be an idiot today", there were certainly some obvious character flaws and pre-service indications of animalistic behavior, we just didn't look. Oh, well, give him a TS/SCI and send him to work for NSA, he's destined for greatness therein....

Yes, it is good this came out now, not later.

Can't blame the service academies entirely. Gotta also lay the blame on society, starting with his parents. In all fairness, though, that is no excuse for his actions. Just because you had a bad upbringing does not mean you can't learn to overcome it.

His Member of Congress isn't necessarily a buffoon - he may/may not have talked to the prospective Sailor (I don't know all the ins and outs of the process) and if his application showed nothing of concern based on the picture it painted, then the Congressman's staff had no reason to recommend he not be recommended for appointment.

Clearance - well, if the guy did nothing to indicate he was a risk, well there would be no reason to deny one if he needed it. However, you don't know what is going through someone's mind as well as how skillful they may be in concealing what they are doing.

technomage1
10-27-2013, 12:53 AM
Let's not get into bashing the other services here.

I'm old, but I do remember an incident where the Navy couldn't be bothered to rein in one of their own, and an AF officer had to publicly challenge the other Sailors present to either deal with the issue or he would, starting with having the military authorities greet them at the gate when the aircraft landed (it was enroute to San Diego) and going from there.

Wowsers. It's always best to handle things in house than get outsiders involved. I have to admit in recent years the Navy has done a better job policing itself than the AF has. Our officers who get convicted get the sentence mitigated and get to retire as Majors....

Absinthe Anecdote
10-27-2013, 01:47 AM
Let's not get into bashing the other services here.

I'm old, but I do remember an incident where the Navy couldn't be bothered to rein in one of their own, and an AF officer had to publicly challenge the other Sailors present to either deal with the issue or he would, starting with having the military authorities greet them at the gate when the aircraft landed (it was enroute to San Diego) and going from there.

Are you talking about an incident on a commercial flight?

When I was a cop at Dover, we were called to apprehend a sailor on an arriving C-5 who had been caught jerking off under a blanket by other passengers.

Chief Bosun
10-28-2013, 10:37 AM
Are you talking about an incident on a commercial flight?

When I was a cop at Dover, we were called to apprehend a sailor on an arriving C-5 who had been caught jerking off under a blanket by other passengers.

Yes. This was in the early 1990's.

A tender was being decommissioned in San Diego. Some of the Sailors were TAD and on a flight back to Lindburgh Field.

A (I forget if he was a Chief or a Senior Chief) had too much to drink and then starting giving unwanted attention to a female Sailor sitting next to him. As I recall from the news article, the other Sailors on the flight sat there and did nothing until an AF Col. stood up in the aisle and told the Sailors either they took action or he would.

End result was the guy went to Courts-Martial and tried to get off claiming he had an alcohol problem that led to his lack of judgement. Didn't work.