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imported_Renazance
09-20-2013, 08:18 AM
From the AF Times: http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130913/NEWS06/309130022/AF-publishes-
list-of-sex-assault-convictions


Glad to see scumbags are being held accountable at all levels. What I don't understand is the disparity in the sentences according to the offense. Only 5 years for sex with a 13-year old? WTF?

Rusty Jones
09-20-2013, 01:24 PM
I'm not a big fan of stuff like this. Once upon a time; if you did the crime, you did the time, and you moved on with your life.

imported_DannyJ
09-20-2013, 02:38 PM
I will say after a quick scan that the punishment doesn't seem to be fitting the crime more often than not. I understand each case is different, but there is a pretty wide gap in punishment between some crimes on the same level.

BTW - totally agree with Tak

Rusty Jones
09-20-2013, 03:33 PM
Sex crimes are "special" in this country, for some strange reason.

In some places, public urination has indecent exposure as an included offense; resulting in someone getting caught pissing in the woods - despite his efforts to not be seen - having to register as a sex offender.

Yet, you can kill someone or chop both their arms off with an axe; and as soon as you do your time, your neightbors will be none the wiser.

71Fish
09-20-2013, 08:08 PM
Sex crimes are "special" in this country, for some strange reason.

In some places, public urination has indecent exposure as an included offense; resulting in someone getting caught pissing in the woods - despite his efforts to not be seen - having to register as a sex offender.

Yet, you can kill someone or chop both their arms off with an axe; and as soon as you do your time, your neightbors will be none the wiser.

True.

Ever see "Horrible Bosses", the little guy is a registered sex offender for public urination.

Rusty Jones
09-20-2013, 08:28 PM
Shit, by that standard... I've been "raped" a number of times. Beer goggles are no joke. Do you see me trying to get someone put in jail or making them register as a sex offender over it?

If you drink, you are held responsible for choosing to drive. But if you drink, you're not responsible for your decision to have sex? The fuck outta here!

imnohero
09-20-2013, 08:29 PM
Sex crimes are "special" in this country, for some strange reason.



Chalk it up to our puritanical roots. I don't mean to be trite, either. Our culture is uptight about sex in so many ways that we are practically schiezophrenic about it. I wrote a paper about this for college regarding attitudes about Miley Cyrus transformation from Disney kid to sex symbol. (Back before she went completely insane)

71Fish
09-20-2013, 08:49 PM
I can't imagine raping either of my ex-wives like some of these fools.
And one guy repeatedly raped his girlfriend of two years? How does that work?

Rizzo77
09-20-2013, 10:57 PM
Drunk chicks are non compos mentis (not of sound mind), and can therefore not consent to have sex.

Drunk men, however, [legally] are compos mentis (of sound mind).

I don't get it.

VCO
09-21-2013, 02:56 AM
Some of these situations seem like plain bad luck for the male involved. I see one where the female withdraws consent during sexual activities. Really? There is another where a wife turns in her husband for anal penetration during consensual sex.

cmiller
09-21-2013, 03:09 AM
I can't imagine raping either of my ex-wives like some of these fools.
And one guy repeatedly raped his girlfriend of two years? How does that work?

By force most times.

RetC141BFCC
09-21-2013, 03:48 PM
Then why was she still his GF and why did she not turn him in after the 1st or 5th time. That one is bullshit to me. If I was in andin there words of Rusty had my beer goggles on I guerss I would have to go cry rape and get a good PCS out of it.

Rainmaker
09-21-2013, 04:45 PM
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Rainmaker
09-21-2013, 04:52 PM
By force most times.

sometimes no means yes. Maybe some of these women should stop acting like sluts.
Big blue along with the rest of these political ass kiss Generals running DoD have completely rolled over to Political Correctness.
never mind facts. That don't matter one iota to the Feminist Lesbian Brown shirts prosecuting their war on men and society.

fufu
09-22-2013, 02:02 AM
I actually feel sorry for some of these guys. "Females consents, then during intercourse revoked consent". Uh, WTF?

My wife read some of these and agreed these women are out to get the man.

How can a woman be too drunk to consent, but a man cannot?

AERYCK13
09-22-2013, 07:29 AM
Bullshit flag alert!!!

I was at the trial of the Capt at Maxwell. He was NOT convicted of Rape. He was only convicted on two counts conspiracy and conduct unbecoming... He was acquitted of the rape, assault, and kidnapping charges. This is fact! I was there; I actually escorted him to SFS for confinement. I call the factuality of this whole list into question!!!

RobotChicken
09-22-2013, 09:02 AM
:spy "When Prostitution becomes legal the prices will come down and so will the split opinions of the Feminist theory also; Marriage/divorce rates, arrests, jail cells, crime, etc rates will fall, along with jobs of those whose primary is to make an income off those vices down to the last brick in a prison. It will be the straw that breaks the camels back when the words late at night spoken WAS...'Not tonight, I have a headache.' The anti-male crowd will have lost another 'tool' in their arsenal." (Waiting for the fallout in bunker even world leaders wish they had)

imnohero
09-22-2013, 10:55 AM
Bullshit flag alert!!!

I was at the trial of the Capt at Maxwell. He was NOT convicted of Rape. He was only convicted on two counts conspiracy and conduct unbecoming... He was acquitted of the rape, assault, and kidnapping charges. This is fact! I was there; I actually escorted him to SFS for confinement. I call the factuality of this whole list into question!!!

Interesting.

Mjölnir
09-22-2013, 07:29 PM
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Smeghead
09-23-2013, 05:20 PM
I don't know any of them.

I know too many of them :(

20+Years
09-23-2013, 09:08 PM
Ok..ok... I know we are supposed to take this stuff seriously... but this one cracked me up.


"A1C Beaver sexually assaulted his roommate, a male Airman, while he slept."

Mastercone
09-24-2013, 12:26 AM
The military action on sex offenses has mushroomed into an incredible mess. One of my all time favorites was that of the TOP USAF JAG Major General Thomas J Fiscus. Google that name for some reading leisure. Throughout his JAG career, Fiscus had prosecuted many members for adultery, etc. only to fall to similar complaints against him. He miraculously avoided court-martial, received an obligatory Article 15, and retired as a Colonel. Fiscus himself has a public website devoted to his case. Meanwhile, the JAG & USAF websites have been cleansed of his name hereto and forevermore. Talk about Persona non grata, this is it.

I would post a link but then the post would never see the light of day in this forum, so you'll have to Google his name to get a good read.

GOOGLE -- Major General Thomas J Fiscus

If that isn't enough for your natural hunger for USAF legal news, Google "Air Force Judge Advocate Docket" so see all of the scheduled courts-martial USAF wide by base, name, rank, offenses, etc.

SomeRandomGuy
09-24-2013, 12:29 AM
Ok..ok... I know we are supposed to take this stuff seriously... but this one cracked me up.


"A1C Beaver sexually assaulted his roommate, a male Airman, while he slept."

Dam! That is kind of funny.

Cerberus
09-24-2013, 12:33 AM
I would post a link but then the post would never see the light of day in this forum, so you'll have to Google his name to get a good read.



I had thought we were doing a fairly good job keeping up with the automated link moderations. We will have to try harder.

imported_Renazance
09-24-2013, 06:52 AM
Some of these situations seem like plain bad luck for the male involved. I see one where the female withdraws consent during sexual activities. Really? There is another where a wife turns in her husband for anal penetration during consensual sex.

Yeah, there should be a law against a girl changing her mind mid-intercourse.

technomage1
09-24-2013, 10:21 AM
Interestingly enough, I just found out the Navy doesn't allowed convicted sexual offenders to live in base housing. Of course, if the member is convicted of sexual assault usually their career is over - certain high ranking officers aside - but this applies to family members too. So if your son/daughter/spouse is convicted, you can't stay in Navy housing as long as they live with you.

I have no idea if the AF requires this or not, but if we don't I think it would be a good idea to adopt. Of course, this would mean putting the pervert - I mean offender - on the economy, so it's really just shuffling the problem elsewhere.

Also, I wonder what problem(s) caused this policy to be implemented? Something had to happen, or else this wouldn't have come about.

Absinthe Anecdote
09-24-2013, 10:58 AM
Sex crimes are "special" in this country, for some strange reason.

In some places, public urination has indecent exposure as an included offense; resulting in someone getting caught pissing in the woods - despite his efforts to not be seen - having to register as a sex offender.

Yet, you can kill someone or chop both their arms off with an axe; and as soon as you do your time, your neightbors will be none the wiser.

Please tell me that you are being facetious. I do know some police departments issue summons for pissing in the street. New Orleans for example, has a big problem with public urination during Mardi Gras but I think their intention is to avoid piss soaked streets.

Not because of some puritanical notion that if a penis is involved it must be a sex crime.

BENDER56
09-24-2013, 07:32 PM
Please tell me that you are being facetious. I do know some police departments issue summons for pissing in the street. New Orleans for example, has a big problem with public urination during Mardi Gras but I think their intention is to avoid piss soaked streets.

Not because of some puritanical notion that if a penis is involved it must be a sex crime.

Happens quite a lot, actually. Some states require it to be in the presence of a child to consider it a sex offense, but others don't -- just plain old public urination is all it takes to get on the registry as a sex offender.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/03/can-public-urination-be-a-sex-offense.html

Pullinteeth
09-25-2013, 12:47 PM
How can a woman be too drunk to consent, but a man cannot?

That isn't the rule...the rule is basically if both are drunk, it is whoever reports it first... How many guys do you know are gonna report it?

Filterbing
09-25-2013, 02:11 PM
Shit, by that standard... I've been "raped" a number of times. Beer goggles are no joke. Do you see me trying to get someone put in jail or making them register as a sex offender over it?

If you drink, you are held responsible for choosing to drive. But if you drink, you're not responsible for your decision to have sex? The fuck outta here!


This is what I've been saying for a while now. 10 drinks and a person is no longer in control to say yes or no. 10 drinks and you drive, you just made a terrible choice and deserve the scorn of the entire base. Funny that when guys get drunk and make a bad choice with sex it's more than often chalked up as a lesson learned, and you move on. This blame passing is BS

71Fish
09-25-2013, 04:06 PM
That isn't the rule...the rule is basically if both are drunk, it is whoever reports it first... How many guys do you know are gonna report it?

I guess if the guy gets wind that she will report him, beat her to the punch.

Pullinteeth
10-03-2013, 02:04 PM
Air Force Sexual Assault Prevention and Response

Consent:
"Consent" is defined as words or overt acts indicating a freely given agreement to the sexual conduct at issue by a competent person. An expression of lack of consent through words or conduct means there is no consent. Lack of verbal or physical resistance or submission resulting from the one accused use of force, threat of force, or placing another person in fear does not constitute consent. A current or previous dating relationship by itself or the manner of dress of the person involved with the accused in the sexual conduct at issue shall not constitute consent. There is no consent where the person is sleeping or incapacitated, such as due to age, alcohol or drugs, or mental incapacity.

So if your wife wakes you up with a BJ, she is a rapist?

USMC0341
10-03-2013, 02:19 PM
So if your wife wakes you up with a BJ, she is a rapist?

No, then she is an awesome wife.

Capt Alfredo
10-04-2013, 12:53 AM
Girlfriends wake you up with BJ's, wives wake you up with gas.

I hope she uses the right nozzle.

Salty Old Dog
10-31-2013, 10:55 AM
Yup, should be a weekly list of ALL convictions published. Maybe then, the people who would consider doing these sorts of crimes will give it a second thought?

I remember, back in my Navy days, that they would occasionally include this sort of information in the ships plan of the day. Good reminder that, if you do the crime, expect to do the time!

imported_DannyJ
10-31-2013, 02:27 PM
Air Force Sexual Assault Prevention and Response

Consent:
"Consent" is defined as words or overt acts indicating a freely given agreement to the sexual conduct at issue by a competent person. An expression of lack of consent through words or conduct means there is no consent. Lack of verbal or physical resistance or submission resulting from the one accused use of force, threat of force, or placing another person in fear does not constitute consent. A current or previous dating relationship by itself or the manner of dress of the person involved with the accused in the sexual conduct at issue shall not constitute consent. There is no consent where the person is sleeping or incapacitated, such as due to age, alcohol or drugs, or mental incapacity.

So if they're incompetent, like quite a few folks I know, they can't consent to sex? So, realistically, the USAF is banning stupid people from procreating? Awesome.