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Banned
06-20-2013, 07:41 AM
So in the interests of appeasing the powers that may be - I've created a thread for "controversial" memes - AKA memes that are funny, but may result in butthurt. If you're an individual who gets butthurt easily, don't read this thread.

I'll start.

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Banned
06-21-2013, 11:25 PM
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Pullinteeth
06-22-2013, 02:41 AM
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What about those that protest both? Oh, sorry you don't care about those that are ACTUALLY pro-life...

RS6405
06-22-2013, 11:42 AM
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I believe in the right to abortion and the death penalty. I also kill spiders.

Yet, I also think that if a mom waits so long to have an abortion that a fetus could possibly sustain their life outside the womb, then the pregnancy should be carried out to full term. Also, I wish the documentary filmmaker would put down the camera and direct the lost baby turtle/elephant/bird to right direction than just watching them die in the wilderness.

I have made triage decsisions in mass accidents on the interstate and seen people die because of it; then I have countered other people's triage decisions by working patients out of priority.

I personally find it travasty to see people donate globally while ignoring the local starving children. It's right up there in my opinions like the pet owner who takes pet CPR, but doesn't it care to learn human CPR even though they have an infant or elderly father in their home.

It's all my personal opinions. I don't believe anyone will completely agree or disagree with my beliefs on these subjects. So now what JB? Am I wrong for such notion and why?

sandsjames
06-22-2013, 01:49 PM
Don't fall into the trap. Just post meme's (god I hate that word) and stay away from the bait.

Banned
06-22-2013, 11:28 PM
What about those that protest both? Oh, sorry you don't care about those that are ACTUALLY pro-life...

The meme was perfectly clear... people who protest morning after pills, but not child poverty... are not "pro-life" - they're worthless scum - even if they choose to hide behind a cross and preach about how much they care about life. They're very selective about it.


I believe in the right to abortion and the death penalty. I also kill spiders.

Yet, I also think that if a mom waits so long to have an abortion that a fetus could possibly sustain their life outside the womb, then the pregnancy should be carried out to full term. Also, I wish the documentary filmmaker would put down the camera and direct the lost baby turtle/elephant/bird to right direction than just watching them die in the wilderness.

I have made triage decsisions in mass accidents on the interstate and seen people die because of it; then I have countered other people's triage decisions by working patients out of priority.

I personally find it travasty to see people donate globally while ignoring the local starving children. It's right up there in my opinions like the pet owner who takes pet CPR, but doesn't it care to learn human CPR even though they have an infant or elderly father in their home.

It's all my personal opinions. I don't believe anyone will completely agree or disagree with my beliefs on these subjects. So now what JB? Am I wrong for such notion and why?

I don't disagree with this statement, I find it pretty agreeable actually. My point - is that certain ideologies that peddle the anti-abortion crusade don't really care about life - they're political tools used to oppress the American people.


Don't fall into the trap. Just post meme's (god I hate that word) and stay away from the bait.

Just as a reminder... if you're easily butthurt, don't read this thread.

Why are you reading this thread?

RS6405
06-23-2013, 12:14 AM
The meme was perfectly clear... people who protest morning after pills, but not child poverty...


Joe,

The morning after pill is not the abortion pill (RU-486); people who protest the morning after pill (which has happen) fail to understand that it just larger (& less effective) dose of birth control which prevents ovulation and inhibits implantation of any kind of fertilized egg by starting the shedding of the uterine wall (aka menstration).

Joe, you have to be more responsible when wielding your butt-hurt. :becky

USN - Retired
06-23-2013, 12:25 AM
even if they choose to hide behind a cross and preach about how much they care about life.

If there is no magic sky man, then why should I care if people who are living in poverty can not feed their children? It is not my fault nor is it my responsibility. Go blame nature. The strong survive and the weak die.

For the record, I don't have a problem with abortion. I do consider abortion to be murder, but why should it be my problem and my concern? If there is no magic sky man, then there is no reason for me to concern myself with the children of other people. In our society today, abortion is simply a human sacrifice to the feminist goddess of personal convenience. And for the record, I do not worship the feminist goddess of personal convenience nor any other feminist goddess for that matter. Now for the serious question: Is it appropriate to say that a feminist goddess is a magic sky woman?

If there is no magic sky man, then socialism is just a pathetic attempt by weak and lazy people to cling to life.



they're political tools used to oppress the American people.

And many socialist leaders and communist leaders are/were also political tools who don't/didn't care about people either, e.g. Stalin, the Kim dictators of North Korea, etc, etc. Neo Christian leaders and socialist/communist leaders are basically the same in that they all want to control and oppress people.

USN - Retired
06-23-2013, 12:55 AM
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So are you saying that a good socialist is like a good and obedient house pet? If so, then you might be right. A good socialist man is like a good and obedient dog who will fetch the paper when his owner tells him to do so. The life of a socialist man is similar to the life of a male house cat who has been neutered and declawed. The socialist house cat may live longer than the libertarian stray cat but the socialist house cat is a fur ball with a broken spirit who sits in a window all day and looks out upon a world that he knows that he will never enjoy.

meatbringer
06-23-2013, 04:20 AM
So in the interests of appeasing the powers that may be - I've created a thread for "controversial" memes - AKA memes that are funny, but may result in butthurt. If you're an individual who gets butthurt easily, don't read this thread.

I'll start.



Pretty funny how despite your warning, all of the people you argue with on this forum are looking at this shit and getting butthurt. Almost like you were the one who made these memes specifically for them.....

RobotChicken
06-24-2013, 10:31 AM
"Definitely SOMEONE is choking a chicken way too much!"

RS6405
06-24-2013, 10:34 AM
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Banned
06-24-2013, 04:14 PM
Pretty funny how despite your warning, all of the people you argue with on this forum are looking at this shit and getting butthurt. Almost like you were the one who made these memes specifically for them.....

Yeah NO kidding. Read the damn warning label. Geez.

And yet ironically, a lot of these same people can read all the rape and incest scenes in the bible and have no problem with it.

Banned
06-24-2013, 04:15 PM
Joe,

The morning after pill is not the abortion pill (RU-486); people who protest the morning after pill (which has happen) fail to understand that it just larger (& less effective) dose of birth control which prevents ovulation and inhibits implantation of any kind of fertilized egg by starting the shedding of the uterine wall (aka menstration).

Joe, you have to be more responsible when wielding your butt-hurt. :becky

Yes... and? Were you going somewhere with this? Or were you agreeing with me that Christian activists are hypocrites?

Banned
06-24-2013, 04:16 PM
Pretty funny how despite your warning, all of the people you argue with on this forum are looking at this shit and getting butthurt. Almost like you were the one who made these memes specifically for them.....

Yeah NO kidding. Read the damn warning label. Geez.

And yet ironically, a lot of these same people can read all the rape and incest scenes in the bible and have no problem with it.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 04:57 PM
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Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 05:02 PM
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You know what the cool thing about this meme is? Science eventually takes over, and they get proof of her existence right after they're born.

TJMAC77SP
06-24-2013, 06:11 PM
You know what the cool thing about this meme is? Science eventually takes over, and they get proof of her existence right after they're born.

Wouldn't it be cool if you find out the truth about God (or whatever) after you die...............only can't communicate the truth back to the living?

TJMAC77SP
06-24-2013, 06:15 PM
I've never seen it. Usually, self-proclaimed "pro-lifers" will look at pictures of children in third world countries and say that "we need to help out own first," but then when "our own" come around holding out their hands, these same people get knocked for "seeking hand outs" and "being lazy."

You just can't win with these guys.



It's called "living in a society." Anatomically modern humans have existed for 200,000 years, but behaviorally modern humans have only existed for 50,000. As behaviorally modern humans, looking out for our fellow man is part of what being human is all about. It IS nature for us.

You also can't win when you dare suggest that having babies when you can't afford such is foolish and contributes to starvation amoung the young. People get called all sorts of names for that.

If only we could pay for everything we want everyone to have.

BTW: Any statistics to show that pro-lifers dont contribute to other causes such as children's hunger or is that just your anecdotal opinion?

USN - Retired
06-24-2013, 06:44 PM
It's called "living in a society." ...... As behaviorally modern humans, looking out for our fellow man is part of what being human is all about. It IS nature for us.

Baloney... and here's why....

If it were really in our nature to help the poor and the weak, then the government wouldn't need to force the hard working citizen's to pay taxes to fund welfare, food stamps, and other forms of public assistance for the poor and the weak members of our society. If it were really in our nature, then charities would suffice. Obviously, it is not in our nature and that is why the government must force the people to hand over the money to fund all the public assistance programs.

Of course, helping the poor and the weak is nothing more than a socialist ruse. Socialist leaders want power, and they need the support of a large part of the population to gain that power. Socialist leaders definitely know how to get that support. They take the wealth from people who work and then give that wealth to people who are too lazy to work. Obviously, the lazy people who are on the receiving end of that wealth will be very supportive of those socialist leaders. Socialism needs a large number of lazy people, i.e. parasites, in order to take root and also an adequate number of hard working people, i.e. hosts of the parasites, to supply the lazy people. In the past few decades, our society has begun to degenerate and, consequently, the number of people who are just too lazy to work has grown. That's why the interest in socialism has grown. Socialism won't last long though. Socialism is a deadly parasitic infection and will eventually kill its host.

The average Socialist leader and the average neo-Christian leader are the same. Both see the population as nothing more than sheep to herded. Socialist leaders and neo-Christian leaders just use different methods to herd their sheep.




It's called "living in a society." Anatomically modern humans have existed for 200,000 years, but behaviorally modern humans have only existed for 50,000. As behaviorally modern humans, looking out for our fellow man is part of what being human is all about. It IS nature for us.

You say that it IS nature for us.


I've never seen it. Usually, self-proclaimed "pro-lifers" will look at pictures of children in third world countries and say that "we need to help out own first," but then when "our own" come around holding out their hands, these same people get knocked for "seeking hand outs" and "being lazy."
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Yet you give us an example that tells us that it IS NOT nature for us. You seem to be inconsistent.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 06:44 PM
Wouldn't it be cool if you find out the truth about God (or whatever) after you die...............only can't communicate the truth back to the living?

Many people claim that stuff like this happens all the time. Too bad they can't prove it.


You also can't win when you dare suggest that having babies when you can't afford such is foolish and contributes to starvation amoung the young. People get called all sorts of names for that.

If only we could pay for everything we want everyone to have.

Only it's not so simple in third world countries. In third world countries, it's actually beneficial to have more children because of child labor. You send your kids off to work; they bring home the chump change that you desperately need. Or, if you have a farm, you create your own laborers. This is basic stuff that's discussed in the field of sociology.


BTW: Any statistics to show that pro-lifers dont contribute to other causes such as children's hunger or is that just your anecdotal opinion?

Are the positions that I've stated earlier, along with pro-life, not conservative positions?

A few years ago, I brought up the issue of "taking care of our own first" and then calling our own "lazy" when they come to collect.

Some people actually defended this position. I believe that Shrike was among them, however I can't remember for sure.

What I got from that discussion was pretty much an admission that it's an intended catch-22 for people to keep their money in their pocket. And that's their right, but they should at least cut the bullshit and admit their stinginess.

Juggs
06-24-2013, 06:46 PM
You know what the cool thing about this meme is? Science eventually takes over, and they get proof of her existence right after they're born.

You know what's funny, nobody has come back from the dead to tell us whether or not Jesus and God are real. So maybe eventually the truth takes over.

TJMAC77SP
06-24-2013, 06:56 PM
Many people claim that stuff like this happens all the time. Too bad they can't prove it.

Hence, the “wouldn’t it be cool” since the meme showm unborn babies and their truth until born is that there may or may not be a Mom.



Only it's not so simple in third world countries. In third world countries, it's actually beneficial to have more children because of child labor. You send your kids off to work; they bring home the chump change that you desperately need. Or, if you have a farm, you create your own laborers. This is basic stuff that's discussed in the field of sociology.

Well I am not sure that is ‘basic stuff that's discussed in the field of sociology’ (not in my sociology courses in any case) but nonetheless I thought we were discussing the poor young in the US



Are the positions that I've stated earlier, along with pro-life, not conservative positions?

A few years ago, I brought up the issue of "taking care of our own first" and then calling our own "lazy" when they come to collect.

Some people actually defended this position. I believe that Shrike was among them, however I can't remember for sure.

What I got from that discussion was pretty much an admission that it's an intended catch-22 for people to keep their money in their pocket. And that's their right, but they should at least cut the bullshit and admit their stinginess.

So that’s a no on any statistics and is an opinion then?

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 07:05 PM
Baloney... and here's why....

If it were really in our nature to help the poor and the weak, then the government wouldn't need to force the hard working citizen's to pay taxes to fund welfare, food stamps, and other forms of public assistance for the poor and the weak members of our society. If it were really in our nature, then charities would suffice. Obviously, it is not in our nature and that is why the government must force the people to hand over the money to fund all the public assistance programs.

And charities can't suffice, because people donating to them can't physically see where the money is going. This is a bit different than actually seeing and helping a morbidly underweight child drinking from pond water that everyone in the village pisses and shits in.


Of course, helping the poor and the weak is nothing more than a socialist ruse. Socialist leaders want power, and they need the support of a large part of the population to gain that power. Socialist leaders definitely know how to get that support. They take the wealth from people who work and then give that wealth to people who are too lazy to work. Obviously, the lazy people who are on the receiving end of that wealth will be very supportive of those socialist leaders. Socialism needs a large number of lazy people, i.e. parasites, in order to take root and also an adequate number of hard working people, i.e. hosts of the parasites, to supply the lazy people. In the past few decades, our society has begun to degenerate and, consequently, the number of people who are just too lazy to work has grown. That's why the interest in socialism has grown. Socialism won't last long though. Socialism is a deadly parasitic infection and will eventually kill its host.

You see what I'm talking about, TJ? This right here. This right here is the conservative view of the poor.


The average Socialist leader and the average neo-Christian leader are the same. Both see the population as nothing more than sheep to herded. Socialist leaders and neo-Christian leaders just use different methods to herd their sheep.

...ramblings from someone who feels that they're too good to take an existing side on something. Bleah.


You say that it IS nature for us.

Yet you give us an example that tells us that it IS NOT nature for us. You seem to be inconsistent.

No, they're simply adopting an unnatural mindset.


Hence, the “wouldn’t it be cool” since the meme showm unborn babies and their truth until born is that there may or may not be a Mom.

If babies in the womb were actually as intelligence as the way they are speaking in the womb; they already have proof of their mother's existence. For example, babies can hear their mothers talk, as well as those who are physically close to her.

Unless you're Endzone, I doubt that anyone here has heard God's voice.


Well I am not sure that is ‘basic stuff that's discussed in the field of sociology’ (not in my sociology courses in any case) but nonetheless I thought we were discussing the poor young in the US

If we are, then would you not agree that the "we need to help our own first" argument is, at best, disingenuous?


So that’s a no on any statistics and is an opinion then?

I don't believe I made a statement that requires such a backing. What I'm pointing out is self-contradictory conservative thinking.

USN - Retired
06-24-2013, 07:06 PM
And that's their right, but they should at least cut the bullshit and admit their stinginess.

Okay then. I admit my stinginess. I don't want to financially support lazy people. I don't want to support a person who is not responsible with his or her life. I don't want to financially support some 19 year old woman with four children, and I also don't want to financially support the four men who fathered her children. I certainly don't want to pay the medical bills of a meth addict. Yes, I am stingy.

Are you REALLY concerned about all those hungry children? If you are, then here's an idea... Instead of spending (wasting) lots of your free time chatting with people on this forum, you could go get a second job and then donate your paycheck from your second job to some charity that feeds hungry children.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 07:25 PM
Okay then. I admit my stinginess. I don't want to financially support lazy people. I don't want to support a person who is not responsible with his or her life. I don't want to financially support some 19 year old woman with four children, and I also don't want to financially support the four men who fathered her children. I certainly don't want to pay the medical bills of a meth addict. Yes, I am stingy.

And judgmental, and you talk out of your ass. As if every poor person who stands to benefit from charity or government assistant programs fit the negative stereotypes that you attribute to them.


Are you REALLY concerned about all those hungry children? If you are, then here's an idea... Instead of spending (wasting) lots of your free time chatting with people on this forum, you could go get a second job and then donate your paycheck from your second job to some charity that feeds hungry children.

I myself don't trust charities, so I put my money and work to use where I see immediate results - the people I see out on the streets. You don't know this, because you don't take the time to get to know these people; but many of them do have jobs. You can find people in my neck of the words sleeping in alleys and under bushes, right next to their hardhats and work boots.

This is really interesting... how you talking loads of crap about people that you don't know. I'm not even Christian, and I don't take it upon myself to judge what people are going to do with what I give them.

Pullinteeth
06-24-2013, 07:43 PM
I myself don't trust charities, so I put my money and work to use where I see immediate results - the people I see out on the streets. You don't know this, because you don't take the time to get to know these people; but many of them do have jobs. You can find people in my neck of the words sleeping in alleys and under bushes, right next to their hardhats and work boots.

Then you sir are an idiot. A lot of those people you see out there on the streets have more money than you and I combined. There are actually cities in the U.S. that require you to get a permit and file taxes if you are a panhandler because of the money they make.

Here is a millionaire that panhandles and donates the $250 a day he makes to those charaties you hate so much;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048800/Legendary-comedian-Professor-Irwin-Corey-begs-money-New-York-streets-despite-living-3-5m-home-charity.html

OKC panhandler that makes $60,000 a year;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/shane-warren-speegle-says_n_1694577.html

Coos Bay OR panhandlers make $300 a day, Memphis TN panhandlers make $10/hr

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_3_panhandling.html

Why do you think most panhandlers only accept cash?

USN - Retired
06-24-2013, 08:09 PM
And judgmental, and you talk out of your ass. As if every poor person who stands to benefit from charity or government assistant programs fit the negative stereotypes that you attribute to them..

But many of them do fit those stereotypes. You can attack me all you want, but it won't change reality. Of course, you know that. And you also know that you might be able to use personal attacks and shaming language to draw attention away from the points that I have raised.


so I put my money and work to use where I see immediate results - the people I see out on the streets. .

So why are you still here? Why are you not out on the streets helping the poor people. Obviously, you'd rather sit here and chat with me. How many posts do you currently have on this forum? There must not be many poor people out there because you have plenty of time to spend (waste?) with us.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 08:18 PM
Then you sir are an idiot. A lot of those people you see out there on the streets have more money than you and I combined. There are actually cities in the U.S. that require you to get a permit and file taxes if you are a panhandler because of the money they make.

Here is a millionaire that panhandles and donates the $250 a day he makes to those charaties you hate so much;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048800/Legendary-comedian-Professor-Irwin-Corey-begs-money-New-York-streets-despite-living-3-5m-home-charity.html

OKC panhandler that makes $60,000 a year;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/shane-warren-speegle-says_n_1694577.html

Coos Bay OR panhandlers make $300 a day, Memphis TN panhandlers make $10/hr

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_3_panhandling.html

Why do you think most panhandlers only accept cash?

I don't recall ever using the term "panhandler" in this conversation. Can you quote me on where I did that?

I'll tell you what; you can either do that, or just come out and say... that this is a straw man argument.

Where I first got into helping the poor was when I was stationed in San Antonio from 2006 to the 2009. My brother was did some time in Bexar County Jail for awhile. When I went to visit him, I noticed something right near that jail - right underneath the bridge, there were homeless people living and sleeping there. Some even had old torn up mattresses that they dragged there. During the winter, these same people would actually go into the jail and ask to be taken in.

I brought them food - and not just leftovers, either. For example, I would always barbecue every weekend - a brisket or a pork shoulder - something that it takes a whole bag of charcoal to smoke. Rather than let all of that charcoal go to waste, I would throw in turkey legs and wings to smoke right along with what I was making. And every weekend that I went to visit my brother, I'd wrap up the food in aluminum foil, put it in a box, and bring it along. Whenever I went downtown to handle business or watch a show; same deal.

I did give money to a panhandler recently. She was an old day at the bus stop, where I was waiting to catch a bus. She asked me for a little bit of money because she was hungry. I told her that if she let me take a piss on her, I'd give her $10. Not only did she agree to it, but she even offered to let me shit on her for more money. I handed her $10, and got on my bus. She was grateful.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 08:19 PM
How do we know what babies hear and how recognizable it is as speech?

We know this, because people far more knowledgeable than us on the subject (i.e., doctors - physicians and psychologists) have done the research.

You can read more here:

[quote]I would agree that it is disingenous for those who make the arguement without real care and compasison for those they cite but failing proof that this is a common occurance I will assume they do care just as I will assume those that claim to be pro-choice really do care about a woman's rights.

I really don't see any possible ulterior motive, do you?


You made a statement.........."Usually, self-proclaimed "pro-lifers" will look at pictures of children in third world countries and say that "we need to help out own first," but then when "our own" come around holding out their hands, these same people get knocked for "seeking hand outs" and "being lazy".......... that asserted something as fact. I wondered if indeed it is fact or an opinion. From the lack of citable sources I will assume it was an opinon. Opinions are fine. Just wanted to clarify the point.

And the point is that, regardless, these are conservative viewpoints. Conflicting viewpoints, within the same ideology. I really don't see where "statistics" come into play here.

TJMAC77SP
06-24-2013, 08:24 PM
If babies in the womb were actually as intelligence as the way they are speaking in the womb; they already have proof of their mother's existence. For example, babies can hear their mothers talk, as well as those who are physically close to her.

Unless you're Endzone, I doubt that anyone here has heard God's voice.

How do we know what babies hear and how recognizable it is as speech?


If we are, then would you not agree that the "we need to help our own first" argument is, at best, disingenuous?

I would agree that it is disingenous for those who make the arguement without real care and compasison for those they cite but failing proof that this is a common occurance I will assume they do care just as I will assume those that claim to be pro-choice really do care about a woman's rights.


I don't believe I made a statement that requires such a backing. What I'm pointing out is self-contradictory conservative thinking.

You made a statement.........."Usually, self-proclaimed "pro-lifers" will look at pictures of children in third world countries and say that "we need to help out own first," but then when "our own" come around holding out their hands, these same people get knocked for "seeking hand outs" and "being lazy".......... that asserted something as fact. I wondered if indeed it is fact or an opinion. From the lack of citable sources I will assume it was an opinon. Opinions are fine. Just wanted to clarify the point.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 08:33 PM
How do we know what babies hear and how recognizable it is as speech?

We know this, because people far more knowledgeable than us on the subject (i.e., doctors - physicians and psychologists) have done the research.

You can read more here: http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20130102/babies-learn-womb


I would agree that it is disingenous for those who make the arguement without real care and compasison for those they cite but failing proof that this is a common occurance I will assume they do care just as I will assume those that claim to be pro-choice really do care about a woman's rights.

I really don't see any possible ulterior motive, do you?


You made a statement.........."Usually, self-proclaimed "pro-lifers" will look at pictures of children in third world countries and say that "we need to help out own first," but then when "our own" come around holding out their hands, these same people get knocked for "seeking hand outs" and "being lazy".......... that asserted something as fact. I wondered if indeed it is fact or an opinion. From the lack of citable sources I will assume it was an opinon. Opinions are fine. Just wanted to clarify the point.

And the point is that, regardless, these are conservative viewpoints. Conflicting viewpoints, within the same ideology. I really don't see where "statistics" come into play here.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 08:41 PM
Research? I read about research all the time. Often contradicted by the next study. But then again, you are avoiding the point of the timeline of the meme………also trying way too hard.

I'm not. The point is, the meme is a bad one, and is not analogous to atheism the way the creator intended it to be.


Of course there is possible ulterior motivation. Making one’s point is always an ulterior motive.

Except when lawmakers are involved, and there's more at stake in legislation than simply "making a point."


So, again, that would be a ‘no’ to citing actual proof of your assertion and it is therefore an opinion?

Okay, let's go this route: what I pointed out as conservative viewpoints, are you denying that this is the case?

I mean, right now it seems that victory in an argument is all you're looking for.

TJMAC77SP
06-24-2013, 08:44 PM
We know this, because people far more knowledgeable than us on the subject (i.e., doctors - physicians and psychologists) have done the research.

You can read more here: http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20130102/babies-learn-womb

Research? I read about research all the time. Often contradicted by the next study. But then again, you are avoiding the point of the timeline of the meme………also trying way too hard.



I really don't see any possible ulterior motive, do you?

Of course there is possible ulterior motivation. Making one’s point is always an ulterior motive.



And the point is that, regardless, these are conservative viewpoints. Conflicting viewpoints, within the same ideology. I really don't see where "statistics" come into play here.

So, again, that would be a ‘no’ to citing actual proof of your assertion and it is therefore an opinion?

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 08:53 PM
Research? I read about research all the time. Often contradicted by the next study. But then again, you are avoiding the point of the timeline of the meme………also trying way too hard.

I'm not. The point is, the meme is a bad one, and is not analogous to atheism the way the creator intended it to be.


Of course there is possible ulterior motivation. Making one’s point is always an ulterior motive.

Except when lawmakers are involved, and there's more at stake in legislation than simply "making a point."


So, again, that would be a ‘no’ to citing actual proof of your assertion and it is therefore an opinion?

Okay, let's go this route: what I pointed out as conservative viewpoints, are you denying that this is the case?

I mean, right now it seems that victory in an argument is all you're looking for.

Pullinteeth
06-24-2013, 09:08 PM
I don't recall ever using the term "panhandler" in this conversation. Can you quote me on where I did that?

I'll tell you what; you can either do that, or just come out and say... that this is a straw man argument.

Where I first got into helping the poor was when I was stationed in San Antonio from 2006 to the 2009. My brother was did some time in Bexar County Jail for awhile. When I went to visit him, I noticed something right near that jail - right underneath the bridge, there were homeless people living and sleeping there. Some even had old torn up mattresses that they dragged there. During the winter, these same people would actually go into the jail and ask to be taken in.

I brought them food - and not just leftovers, either. For example, I would always barbecue every weekend - a brisket or a pork shoulder - something that it takes a whole bag of charcoal to smoke. Rather than let all of that charcoal go to waste, I would throw in turkey legs and wings to smoke right along with what I was making. And every weekend that I went to visit my brother, I'd wrap up the food in aluminum foil, put it in a box, and bring it along. Whenever I went downtown to handle business or watch a show; same deal.

I did give money to a panhandler recently. She was an old day at the bus stop, where I was waiting to catch a bus. She asked me for a little bit of money because she was hungry. I told her that if she let me take a piss on her, I'd give her $10. Not only did she agree to it, but she even offered to let me shit on her for more money. I handed her $10, and got on my bus. She was grateful.

You said you give money to people on the streets instead of charities...those people on the streets asking for money are by definition panhandlers...

If you gave them food and they accepted, good on you. Try that with someone standing on a streetcorner sometime. Chances are they will throw it right back at you. Dead serious.

That last paragraph while heartwarming shows exactly what kind of person you are....

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 09:20 PM
You said you give money to people on the streets instead of charities...those people on the streets asking for money are by definition panhandlers...

I said that that's how I put my money to use. I did not say anywhere that I gave the money directly to them. Except in that last example I gave, where I felt that it was legit. I'm not saying that's the only time I've given money directly - I can recall a time where I gave a bum money when he told me he wanted a bottle of Mad Dog, because I admired his honesty. Sure enough, I walked into the store after handing him the change to buy what I needed; and I watched him buy his booze.


If you gave them food and they accepted, good on you. Try that with someone standing on a streetcorner sometime. Chances are they will throw it right back at you. Dead serious.

That's why you don't do it on a street corner. You do it where you see the homeless people actually living.


That last paragraph while heartwarming shows exactly what kind of person you are....

Oh, did I forget to mention the part where I piss or shit on her? Yes? That's because I DIDN'T DO THAT. Nor did I ever have any intention to. Sure, regardless, most people would have felt extremely insulted by my offer; and even humiliated by the fact that they had to say "yes." She wasn't "most people." She had nerves of steel; and had probably been through far more humiliating circumstances than I could possibly imagine - homeless people constantly deal with being harassed, both verbally and physically. I'm 33 years old; and it's not inconceivable that she may have even been going through this before I was born. But she got ten dollars from me, without having to perform any self-degrading act.

Class5Kayaker
06-24-2013, 09:30 PM
Double Post

Banned
06-24-2013, 09:33 PM
You also can't win when you dare suggest that having babies when you can't afford such is foolish and contributes to starvation amoung the young. People get called all sorts of names for that.

If only we could pay for everything we want everyone to have.

BTW: Any statistics to show that pro-lifers dont contribute to other causes such as children's hunger or is that just your anecdotal opinion?

Then why do so many pro-lifers (including a few members on MTF) scream and moan about teaching kids about safe sex, using condoms, etc - shouldn't reducing the number of single parents and unwanted children be a high priority for our society?

Banned
06-24-2013, 09:37 PM
Damn...looked at this thread hoping for a few good laughs and it's only a couple memes and 5 pages of debate.

Yeah, and I even warned people not to read these memes if they get butthurt easily. Now I've got enough butthurt to fill a truck.

Class5Kayaker
06-24-2013, 09:43 PM
Damn...looked at this thread hoping for a few good laughs and it's only a couple memes and 5 pages of debate.

Banned
06-24-2013, 09:51 PM
Damn...looked at this thread hoping for a few good laughs and it's only a couple memes and 5 pages of debate.

Yeah, and I even warned people not to read these memes if they get butthurt easily. Now I've got enough butthurt to fill a truck.

Max Power
06-25-2013, 01:38 AM
http://favim.com/orig/201102/23/Favim.com-39.jpg

LogDog
06-25-2013, 02:14 AM
Of course, we already knew this.

3122

Max Power
06-25-2013, 02:41 AM
http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/5722/aliens-are-taking-me-jesus.jpg

RS6405
06-25-2013, 11:19 AM
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TJMAC77SP
06-25-2013, 11:38 AM
Of course, we already knew this.

3106

See................this is funny.

TJMAC77SP
06-25-2013, 11:46 AM
I'm not. The point is, the meme is a bad one, and is not analogous to atheism the way the creator intended it to be.

By Creator I am assuming you meant the author of the meme. The meme is funny and your attempt to dismiss it with an attempt at a clever remark missed the mark. It is funny, just enjoy it. Or is it that meme’s that don’t support your viewpoint not funny?


Except when lawmakers are involved, and there's more at stake in legislation than simply "making a point."

What does this even mean with relation to the point? Let’s go back to it for review.

Rusty: I've never seen it. Usually, self-proclaimed "pro-lifers" will look at pictures of children in third world countries and say that "we need to help out own first," but then when "our own" come around holding out their hands, these same people get knocked for "seeking hand outs" and "being lazy."

You just can't win with these guys.”

Me: “You also can't win when you dare suggest that having babies when you can't afford such is foolish and contributes to starvation among the young. People get called all sorts of names for that.

If only we could pay for everything we want everyone to have.

BTW: Any statistics to show that pro-lifers don’t contribute to other causes such as children's hunger or is that just your anecdotal opinion?"

So can you tell me what “Except when lawmakers are involved, and there's more at stake in legislation than simply "making a point." Has to do with these posts?


Okay, let's go this route: what I pointed out as conservative viewpoints, are you denying that this is the case?

I mean, right now it seems that victory in an argument is all you're looking for.

By this route do you mean changing the subject because it seems that is what you are doing? You made an assertion. I asked you to cite statistics or proof or state that it is your opinion. There is no argument. I was making a point and it seems to me to have been made quite clearly.

TJMAC77SP
06-25-2013, 11:49 AM
Then why do so many pro-lifers (including a few members on MTF) scream and moan about teaching kids about safe sex, using condoms, etc - shouldn't reducing the number of single parents and unwanted children be a high priority for our society?

Yes (more characters to make this post long enough)

TJMAC77SP
06-25-2013, 11:50 AM
Yeah, and I even warned people not to read these memes if they get butthurt easily. Now I've got enough butthurt to fill a truck.

Have you read who is butthurt on this thread?

TJMAC77SP
06-25-2013, 11:50 AM
Of course, we already knew this.

3106

See................this is funny.

TJMAC77SP
06-25-2013, 11:51 AM
http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/5722/aliens-are-taking-me-jesus.jpg

As is this......................

Pullinteeth
06-25-2013, 03:55 PM
The meme was perfectly clear... people who protest morning after pills, but not child poverty... are not "pro-life" - they're worthless scum - even if they choose to hide behind a cross and preach about how much they care about life. They're very selective about it.

Who exactly protests child poverty?

RS6405
06-26-2013, 12:12 AM
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Rusty Jones
06-26-2013, 12:27 PM
But many of them do fit those stereotypes. You can attack me all you want, but it won't change reality. Of course, you know that. And you also know that you might be able to use personal attacks and shaming language to draw attention away from the points that I have raised.

No... because your views and attacks on the needy are all a part of your point.


So why are you still here? Why are you not out on the streets helping the poor people. Obviously, you'd rather sit here and chat with me. How many posts do you currently have on this forum? There must not be many poor people out there because you have plenty of time to spend (waste?) with us.

Oh, I'm sorry - I must've missed the memo where I need your approval to spend my own time as I see fit.

RobotChicken
07-09-2013, 06:49 AM
No... because your views and attacks on the needy are all a part of your point.



Oh, I'm sorry - I must've missed the memo where I need your approval to spend my own time as I see fit.

"Thats ok 'Rusted out of Joint'; just don't waste OUR time with your VULGAR RANTS! You may 'amuse' 'FA' with them but not us or the LADIES on this so called 'FORUM'; and if 'FA' won't call you out on it I sure as HELL WILL!!"

Rusty Jones
07-09-2013, 11:27 AM
"Thats ok 'Rusted out of Joint'; just don't waste OUR time with your VULGAR RANTS! You may 'amuse' 'FA' with them but not us or the LADIES on this so called 'FORUM'; and if 'FA' won't call you out on it I sure as HELL WILL!!"

Ah, yes... you must be one of Wildman's friends with this "our" shit. Pretty pathetic if he had to befriend YOU.