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TSgt"M"
06-15-2013, 06:07 PM
As I meet vets out in my community, I alway encounter Marines who call me a candy-ass or girl scout, ect. Yet, these Marines only seem to serve 6 to 8 years. So I have to ask, who is the candy-ass? The 20 year AF retireee or the 8 year Marine. Does anybody know the retiree/retension rates between the two services? Maybe they are just sour that they didn't do the stretch. Any thoughts?

Absinthe Anecdote
06-15-2013, 06:14 PM
As I meet vets out in my community, I alway encounter Marines who call me a candy-ass or girl scout, ect. Yet, these Marines only seem to serve 6 to 8 years. So I have to ask, who is the candy-ass? The 20 year AF retireee or the 8 year Marine. Does anybody know the retiree/retension rates between the two services? Maybe they are just sour that they didn't do the stretch. Any thoughts?
Give us some more details candy ass!

Seriously, I hope you aren't letting it bother you, just smile at them. Oh, you might want to post this in the Marine section to get maximum coverage.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
06-15-2013, 06:25 PM
For fun you should ask them to explain a MAGTF. Most will give you the deer-in-the-headlights look. I especially like the ones who wear the USMC shirts/hats etc 20+ years after they served their 3-year stint. Such badasses!

technomage1
06-15-2013, 06:26 PM
I don't know. I've met quite a few Marine retirees. Not as many as AF but then they are the smaller service.

As for the AF being candy asses or not...I always just figure they're jealous since we don't get treated like total crap all the time.

USMC0341
06-15-2013, 06:33 PM
As I meet vets out in my community, I alway encounter Marines who call me a candy-ass or girl scout, ect. Yet, these Marines only seem to serve 6 to 8 years. So I have to ask, who is the candy-ass? The 20 year AF retireee or the 8 year Marine. Does anybody know the retiree/retension rates between the two services? Maybe they are just sour that they didn't do the stretch. Any thoughts?

Don't let them bother you, probably a bunch of admin guys. Funny how the "bad asses" I meet end up been in an office job, matter of fact met one a couple months ago. Once you talk to them and they realize they aren't the only Marine in the room, the war stories tend to tone down some...

Oh, and Flaps, most of the old guys could give the first word of MAGTF perhaps, although it is a simple concept at the high level.

USMC0341
06-15-2013, 06:33 PM
As I meet vets out in my community, I alway encounter Marines who call me a candy-ass or girl scout, ect. Yet, these Marines only seem to serve 6 to 8 years. So I have to ask, who is the candy-ass? The 20 year AF retireee or the 8 year Marine. Does anybody know the retiree/retension rates between the two services? Maybe they are just sour that they didn't do the stretch. Any thoughts?

Don't let them bother you, probably a bunch of admin guys. Funny how the "bad asses" I meet end up been in an office job, matter of fact met one a couple months ago. Once you talk to them and they realize they aren't the only Marine in the room, the war stories tend to tone down some...

Oh, and Flaps, most of the old guys could give the first word of MAGTF perhaps, although it is a simple concept at the high level.

TSgt"M"
06-15-2013, 06:35 PM
Na, I don't let it bother my candy ass. Most of my high school buds joined the MC, so I've heard this from an early age. I went AF to be different and had enough fun (most of the time) to do the stretch.

raustin0017
06-15-2013, 07:00 PM
Na, I don't let it bother my candy ass. Most of my high school buds joined the MC, so I've heard this from an early age. I went AF to be different and had enough fun (most of the time) to do the stretch.

Keep on stretching. I'll take my 75% retirement any day. 50% at 20 isn't bad either.
How many years do you have in?

efmbman
06-15-2013, 07:06 PM
I don't know. I've met quite a few Marine retirees. Not as many as AF but then they are the smaller service.

More importantly than the fact that the Marines are smaller, they also promote a smaller percentage of people up through the ranks. The percentage of senior officers / senior NCOs to the rest of the force is much smaller than in the other 3 services. The USMC actually practices the "up or out" principle.

LogDog
06-15-2013, 07:13 PM
As I meet vets out in my community, I alway encounter Marines who call me a candy-ass or girl scout, ect. Yet, these Marines only seem to serve 6 to 8 years. So I have to ask, who is the candy-ass? The 20 year AF retireee or the 8 year Marine. Does anybody know the retiree/retension rates between the two services? Maybe they are just sour that they didn't do the stretch. Any thoughts?
Just tell them real veterans don't act like assholes.

TSgt"M"
06-15-2013, 07:55 PM
Keep on stretching. I'll take my 75% retirement any day. 50% at 20 isn't bad either.
How many years do you have in?

Retired in 99 at 20. If you ever have the opportunity to go AETC run away screaming. Hence the name "TSgt" M. Once I got away from the dark side, my faith in the AF was restored but to late to make MSgt.

BRUWIN
06-15-2013, 08:40 PM
The majority of Marines get out after their first enlistment because very few reenlistment qoutas exist. They don't need a bunch of NCOs since they are a much less technical service. I don't know if the numbers I've been given are accurate but the Marines only keep 20% of their first termers and those numbers go down as further enlistment opportunities come along. The AF keeps something like 60% of first termers.

MisterBen
06-15-2013, 09:39 PM
At my local VFW, old Soldiers rib on the AF retirees as well and call them the same names My cousin who served in the AF for four years gets it from the former Soldiers and Marines in the family and his opinion is that AF is easier than those components. That is his opinion and in my near 24 years of service and counting; I agree with his views.

If you want retiree stats, here is a link. Yes, the Marine Corps is the lowest in number in regards to retirees but I believe the proudest of all.

http://actuary.defense.gov/Portals/1...statbook11.pdf

Page 18 in the link I attached above

Greco
06-15-2013, 10:59 PM
The majority of Marines get out after their first enlistment because very few reenlistment qoutas exist. They don't need a bunch of NCOs since they are a much less technical service. I don't know if the numbers I've been given are accurate but the Marines only keep 20% of their first termers and those numbers go down as further enlistment opportunities come along. The AF keeps something like 60% of first termers.


You are pretty close to being accurate, Bruwin. As of a MMOA/MMEA brief that was a part of last year's monitor road show, the Corps has only been retaining up to 30% of first term enlistees. Overall, the Corps is the youngest of all forces (average age of personnel wise) in the DoD. It is becoming a heck of a lot harder for Marines to stay in on both the O and E side.

Anyways, as for the original question, no clue why some short tour Marines would rib a 20 year retiree from any service. The only thought is the natural inter-service rivalry and some insane pride (sometimes to excess).

Banned
06-15-2013, 11:59 PM
For fun you should ask them to explain a MAGTF. Most will give you the deer-in-the-headlights look. I especially like the ones who wear the USMC shirts/hats etc 20+ years after they served their 3-year stint. Such badasses!


Don't let them bother you, probably a bunch of admin guys. Funny how the "bad asses" I meet end up been in an office job, matter of fact met one a couple months ago. Once you talk to them and they realize they aren't the only Marine in the room, the war stories tend to tone down some...

Oh, and Flaps, most of the old guys could give the first word of MAGTF perhaps, although it is a simple concept at the high level.

A MAGTF? How could they not know that? I thought everybody learned that crap in boot camp.

Also - Marines don't play well with others. Ignorance and stupidity about the other branches is often actually encouraged in the Corps. Sure I'll tease people now and again, but I don't mean it - but a lot of Marines actually believe its all true.

I guess the logic is that it builds pride to turn the whole service into basically an echo-chamber, where you eat your own regurgitated bullshit and are completely immune to information or facts coming in from the outside.

But I still miss the Corps sometimes. When that happens, I just look in the news for the latest stupidity - like wearing khakis on Friday - and the feeling goes away real fast!

Banned
06-16-2013, 12:05 AM
Another thing I love is Soldiers who gripe about how weak the Army is and how they should have joined the Marines. Well, if you're such a badass, why don't you gun for Airborne, or go to one of the Special Forces try-outs? Oh right, because you're just a pussy who likes to talk big.

TSgt"M"
06-16-2013, 01:39 AM
The inspiration for this topic was a water well guy I had out to a rental house of mine. It was 0600 and I offered him a cup of coffee in a Army cup and he began to tell me that Army ment "Aint Ready for Marines Yet". So, we had a talk about the services and he was a "Marine" and that was the end all. (But he didn't stay in). Bit my tongue. I've had many Marine friends and they all seem to have this attitude. I respect their service but come on.

Greg
06-16-2013, 02:05 AM
I have fun with it. And that's all it is, fun. If it's not branch, then it will be MOS, AFSC, or rank/rate.

As an earlier post mentioned, if someone is taking it too serious, then I would consider the source of butthurt as someone not very confident of the time they served.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
06-16-2013, 02:57 AM
A MAGTF? How could they not know that? I thought everybody learned that crap in boot camp.

Also - Marines don't play well with others. Ignorance and stupidity about the other branches is often actually encouraged in the Corps. Sure I'll tease people now and again, but I don't mean it - but a lot of Marines actually believe its all true.

I guess the logic is that it builds pride to turn the whole service into basically an echo-chamber, where you eat your own regurgitated bullshit and are completely immune to information or facts coming in from the outside.

But I still miss the Corps sometimes. When that happens, I just look in the news for the latest stupidity - like wearing khakis on Friday - and the feeling goes away real fast!

I'll give the USMC one thing, and that's they believe in maintaining tradition. Reminds me of a DoD awards symposium I went to a few years ago. At the beginning of the banquet each service/table was asked to yell out their "cheer." The four AF tables each shouted out different Sq chants, but all three tables of Marines snapped to attention in unison and shouted Semper Fi, then sat down. It was quick, loud and shouted with confidence. It was awesome!

FuelShopTech
06-16-2013, 06:58 AM
When grunts and jarheads pull that crap with me, I just reply with, "Look, it's not my fault you got a 20 on your ASVAB."

Then I run away very quickly.

BOSS302
06-16-2013, 07:11 AM
I've honestly not had to deal with the "inter-Service rivalry" except in tech school. In tech school, everyone was young, dumb, and pumped-up on the "Hoorah!" bullshit. However, a decade later, my dealings with other NCOs in the different branches have been professional.

It does say something that, when Koreans ask if you are in the U.S. Army and you reply, "No, I am in the Air Force", they are relieved that you aren't a "soldier."

Drackore
06-16-2013, 08:01 AM
I am 100% ok with sister service ribbing. That's what makes us a special military. We can sit there and poke fun at each other and even fight each other all day and night long, but when the shit hits the fan we become the best of friends really fast. I find it funny that us Chair Force folks take the brunt of the ha ha's until CAS is needed, then we become the "God" in "Thank you God for getting us out of that shit".

Add in the fact that with JET, we have a more combat experienced force than ever. I have heard two reasons why we did JET, 1) they needed "a break" and were war weary and/or 2) they whined that we weren't carrying a fair share. So the Chair Force and the Navy started doing Army and Marine jobs.

So we can sit here and bitch about JET until the cows come home, but whenever you get a "retiree" or a "3-6 yr Marine" that wants to call you a candy ass...just remind him that in Iraq and Afghanistan, we came in and did ground ops after a few weeks of training and did it as good or better than they did with years of "experience". :P

USMC0341
06-16-2013, 10:55 AM
I am 100% ok with sister service ribbing. That's what makes us a special military. We can sit there and poke fun at each other and even fight each other all day and night long, but when the shit hits the fan we become the best of friends really fast. I find it funny that us Chair Force folks take the brunt of the ha ha's until CAS is needed, then we become the "God" in "Thank you God for getting us out of that shit".

Add in the fact that with JET, we have a more combat experienced force than ever. I have heard two reasons why we did JET, 1) they needed "a break" and were war weary and/or 2) they whined that we weren't carrying a fair share. So the Chair Force and the Navy started doing Army and Marine jobs.

So we can sit here and bitch about JET until the cows come home, but whenever you get a "retiree" or a "3-6 yr Marine" that wants to call you a candy ass...just remind him that in Iraq and Afghanistan, we came in and did ground ops after a few weeks of training and did it as good or better than they did with years of "experience". :P

Define the "ground ops" that you can do as good or better, I am curious.

sandsjames
06-16-2013, 01:20 PM
I am 100% ok with sister service ribbing. That's what makes us a special military. We can sit there and poke fun at each other and even fight each other all day and night long, but when the shit hits the fan we become the best of friends really fast. I find it funny that us Chair Force folks take the brunt of the ha ha's until CAS is needed, then we become the "God" in "Thank you God for getting us out of that shit".

Add in the fact that with JET, we have a more combat experienced force than ever. I have heard two reasons why we did JET, 1) they needed "a break" and were war weary and/or 2) they whined that we weren't carrying a fair share. So the Chair Force and the Navy started doing Army and Marine jobs.

So we can sit here and bitch about JET until the cows come home, but whenever you get a "retiree" or a "3-6 yr Marine" that wants to call you a candy ass...just remind him that in Iraq and Afghanistan, we came in and did ground ops after a few weeks of training and did it as good or better than they did with years of "experience". :P

I love being the butt of jokes from the other services. I used to love it more when they did it because they were jealous of our life style. Now they do it because we are a bunch of wannabes. That's not as fun.

sandsjames
06-16-2013, 01:30 PM
Keep on stretching. I'll take my 75% retirement any day. 50% at 20 isn't bad either.
How many years do you have in?

Why the hell would you do more than 20?

sandsjames
06-16-2013, 01:33 PM
I am 100% ok with sister service ribbing. That's what makes us a special military. We can sit there and poke fun at each other and even fight each other all day and night long, but when the shit hits the fan we become the best of friends really fast. I find it funny that us Chair Force folks take the brunt of the ha ha's until CAS is needed, then we become the "God" in "Thank you God for getting us out of that shit".

Add in the fact that with JET, we have a more combat experienced force than ever. I have heard two reasons why we did JET, 1) they needed "a break" and were war weary and/or 2) they whined that we weren't carrying a fair share. So the Chair Force and the Navy started doing Army and Marine jobs.

So we can sit here and bitch about JET until the cows come home, but whenever you get a "retiree" or a "3-6 yr Marine" that wants to call you a candy ass...just remind him that in Iraq and Afghanistan, we came in and did ground ops after a few weeks of training and did it as good or better than they did with years of "experience". :P

I love being the butt of jokes from the other services. I used to love it more when they did it because they were jealous of our life style. Now they do it because we are a bunch of wannabes. That's not as fun.

LC-45
06-16-2013, 01:38 PM
You must have met some real Dick's!! Most Vets I meet could care less what branch you were in, only that you served.

Absinthe Anecdote
06-16-2013, 02:08 PM
Define the "ground ops" that you can do as good or better, I am curious.

My guess would be escorting the Third Country Nationals (TCNs) when they come on the FOBs to empty trash cans and clean out the latrines, vital “ground ops”.

The fighting Air Force is very proud of our warriors that escort TCNs.

I remember this one old salty A1C who was our expert on escorting TCNs. He always used to say, “You can observe a lot just by watching.”

CrustySMSgt
06-16-2013, 02:46 PM
The 20 year AF retiree :closed_2

Banned
06-16-2013, 03:09 PM
It was quick, loud and shouted with confidence. It was awesome!

Also probably pre-arranged before the banquet.


I am 100% ok with sister service ribbing. That's what makes us a special military. We can sit there and poke fun at each other and even fight each other all day and night long, but when the shit hits the fan we become the best of friends really fast. I find it funny that us Chair Force folks take the brunt of the ha ha's until CAS is needed, then we become the "God" in "Thank you God for getting us out of that shit".

Add in the fact that with JET, we have a more combat experienced force than ever. I have heard two reasons why we did JET, 1) they needed "a break" and were war weary and/or 2) they whined that we weren't carrying a fair share. So the Chair Force and the Navy started doing Army and Marine jobs.

So we can sit here and bitch about JET until the cows come home, but whenever you get a "retiree" or a "3-6 yr Marine" that wants to call you a candy ass...just remind him that in Iraq and Afghanistan, we came in and did ground ops after a few weeks of training and did it as good or better than they did with years of "experience". :P

Ground ops? Oh shit, we're dealing with a badass here!


You claim to have been a Marine Joe? Why do I doubt this? If this is even the slightest bit true and again I doubt it stay the hell out of the Air Force section and stink up the Marine one.

Always,
Wildman

How could it be "slightly" true? Me being a Marine would either be completely true or not true at all - how could it be "slightly" true? Once again, you ramble like a a brain damaged third grader.

You've lost so much credibility that even JD and Sandjames stopped coming in to defend you. JD was quitting anyways and Sandjames never wants to take a position that might cause him to lose popularity on the internet - so quit talking like you've got backup, when you don't, BRO.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
06-16-2013, 03:17 PM
Also probably pre-arranged

Something AF would be unable to do, given the unique cheers different squadrons have (those that have them).

Banned
06-16-2013, 03:58 PM
Something AF would be unable to do, given the unique cheers different squadrons have (those that have them).

I would think they would have agreed on one, so the cheer wound't sound like incoherent noise.

Banned
06-16-2013, 04:11 PM
True, then they could brag about how they came up with a new, temporary tradition!

Yeah... well I guess there's pros and cons to every branch.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
06-16-2013, 04:13 PM
I would think they would have agreed on one, so the cheer wound't sound like incoherent noise.

True, then they could brag about how they came up with a new, temporary tradition!

Banned
06-16-2013, 04:24 PM
True, then they could brag about how they came up with a new, temporary tradition!

Yeah... well I guess there's pros and cons to every branch.

wildman
06-16-2013, 06:30 PM
You probably doubt it because you have penis envy.

Not of yours because you ain't got one. No on second thought that ain't right you are a prick after all. But being a heterosexual I like the other organ unlike you.

Always,
Wildman

Banned
06-16-2013, 06:38 PM
Let me put it this way Joe you were not and never have been a Marine! Now deny this is true. Your nothing more than a pathetic pimple on the ass of humanity.

Always,
Wildman

You got me. I'm actually an Air Force "ground ops" guy with adequacy issues.

Banned
06-16-2013, 06:52 PM
See folks yet another untruth from this Ass Clown and you lend him any credibility? He and his cronies are peas in a pod and deserving of our ridicule at every opportunity.

Always,
Wildman

"wildman has not made any friends yet"

wildman
06-16-2013, 06:56 PM
You got me. I'm actually an Air Force "ground ops" guy with adequacy issues.

See folks yet another untruth from this Ass Clown and you lend him any credibility? He and his cronies are peas in a pod and deserving of our ridicule at every opportunity.

Always,
Wildman

wildman
06-16-2013, 07:03 PM
"wildman has not made any friends yet"

Yet another lie. Dang this Ass Clown is on a role!

Always,
Wildman

Banned
06-16-2013, 07:03 PM
See folks yet another untruth from this Ass Clown and you lend him any credibility? He and his cronies are peas in a pod and deserving of our ridicule at every opportunity.

Always,
Wildman

"wildman has not made any friends yet"

Banned
06-16-2013, 08:38 PM
Can we please get :focus

Pot meet kettle.

RobotChicken
06-16-2013, 08:40 PM
:bathbaby "Yea;I'll ask 'em all for a change an' bath!" :wall:

Banned
06-16-2013, 08:42 PM
A$$ meet Clown,
this is why people hate you here as you cry wolf.

Originally posted by Joe Bonham in thread: So much for being an outstanding officer and family man...

"I have to suspect that ForumAdmin and Godfather/Robotchicken are buddies. If anyone else posted like this, they would have been banned, or at least warned, by now."


:bathbaby "Yea;I'll ask 'em all for a change an' bath!" :wall:

And yet once again, liking/thanking each other's posts, posting in unison, but never logged on at the same time.

RobotChicken
06-16-2013, 08:50 PM
And yet once again, liking/thanking each other's posts, posting in unison, but never logged on at the same time.

"Now 'Joe B.' ; Magic sky man tells me when to log in; I read what 'endzoned' wrote, so I practiced it and it WORKS!! I have seen the light!!! Can I join your 'Joestown' church now?? I promise to drink the 'Kool-aide'!! And be 'NICE' too You!"

Banned
06-16-2013, 09:41 PM
False thought:
What's Going On? Currently Active Users There are currently 506 users online. 14 members and 492 guests Most users ever online was 2,094, 06-06-2013 at 04:26 PM. GodFather, BigBaze, BOSS302, Chikasaz, efmbman, jarhead dad, Joe Bonham, KnuckleDragger, MAquino, Robert F. Dorr, RobotChicken

To be expected though. I produce more
Thought taking a crap, than you do in
A week's worth of posts.

Now :focus

Oh look, I can do it too!

"GodFather... RobotChicken"

Typing your two user names together doesn't make it so. Sorry bro.

CYBERFX1024
06-16-2013, 09:57 PM
The big difference between Marine Retirement and other services retirement is that there are VERY FEW Marines who retire. The majority of us Marines do anywhere from 4-8years and that's it. We are tired of the bs, green weenie, and how Marines are trained one way, but then out in the fleet we are told to be something completely different.

A lot of my buddies who were Infantry got out after they instituted the ban on tattoos. Yeah you could stay in, but you couldn't do any sort of "B" billet (MSG, Recruiter, Drill Instructor). So that basically left your chances of advancement past Sergeant/E-5 next to impossible. I knew one SSgt who did a full 20years without a B billet. But he couldn't get promoted past that rank because he had no secondary billet.
Also a lot of Marines get out and go to the Army. Because the promotions are easier and they are already used to the environment.

OtisRNeedleman
06-16-2013, 11:14 PM
Well, well. See several people are banned. For crying out loud, folks, no need to get into useless pissing contests here. Don't like what someone says but cannot or do not want to refute them logically? Then just put them on "ignore" and stop feeding the trolls. That's what I do.

Otis

OtisRNeedleman
06-16-2013, 11:23 PM
The big difference between Marine Retirement and other services retirement is that there are VERY FEW Marines who retire. The majority of us Marines do anywhere from 4-8years and that's it. We are tired of the bs, green weenie, and how Marines are trained one way, but then out in the fleet we are told to be something completely different.

A lot of my buddies who were Infantry got out after they instituted the ban on tattoos. Yeah you could stay in, but you couldn't do any sort of "B" billet (MSG, Recruiter, Drill Instructor). So that basically left your chances of advancement past Sergeant/E-5 next to impossible. I knew one SSgt who did a full 20years without a B billet. But he couldn't get promoted past that rank because he had no secondary billet.
Also a lot of Marines get out and go to the Army. Because the promotions are easier and they are already used to the environment.

Yup, remember when I was in language school in 1974-75 having a Marine sergeant (E-5) in our class. Real hard-nosed guy. Fast forward to the 1992-94 time frame. Saw the guy at NSA. He was then an Army sergeant first class (E-7).

BadBender
06-17-2013, 03:52 AM
I’ve had some experience with the Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan. The AF sent their CE folks in to “fix” serious electrical problems caused from bad contractors and Navy Seabees. Some of those problems resulted in causalities. It was a good feeling when you entered a FOB and the Marines asked you who you were and you said “Air Force” and the look on their faces turned into instant gratitude because finally, their stuff was going to get fixed right.

CYBERFX1024
06-17-2013, 03:54 AM
Yup, remember when I was in language school in 1974-75 having a Marine sergeant (E-5) in our class. Real hard-nosed guy. Fast forward to the 1992-94 time frame. Saw the guy at NSA. He was then an Army sergeant first class (E-7).

Yeah I have seen a few guys go over to the Dark Side (Army) and retain the same rank even be promoted after a few short months. I saw one SSgt/E-6 go over to the Army retain his rank when he only got promoted it 4 months prior to getting out.

CYBERFX1024
06-17-2013, 03:56 AM
Well, well. See several people are banned. For crying out loud, folks, no need to get into useless pissing contests here. Don't like what someone says but cannot or do not want to refute them logically? Then just put them on "ignore" and stop feeding the trolls. That's what I do.
Otis

That's what I have tried to do with Joe on the majority of occasions I ignore him and what he says. But I can only ignore so much before I must put in my 2 cents, but I have stopped letting him get to me. Once you admit he is a troll and will say ANYTHING to get a rise out of someone. Even going so far as to go against his original posts in a thread just to piss someone off.

OtisRNeedleman
06-17-2013, 04:28 AM
That's what I have tried to do with Joe on the majority of occasions I ignore him and what he says. But I can only ignore so much before I must put in my 2 cents, but I have stopped letting him get to me. Once you admit he is a troll and will say ANYTHING to get a rise out of someone. Even going so far as to go against his original posts in a thread just to piss someone off.

If you put him on "ignore" you don't even have to see his posts unless the post is quoted.

TwinkieToes
06-17-2013, 05:20 AM
is this marne retird thread?? sorry new here

BOSS302
06-17-2013, 06:10 AM
I’ve had some experience with the Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan. The AF sent their CE folks in to “fix” serious electrical problems caused from bad contractors and Navy Seabees. Some of those problems resulted in causalities. It was a good feeling when you entered a FOB and the Marines asked you who you were and you said “Air Force” and the look on their faces turned into instant gratitude because finally, their stuff was going to get fixed right.

Having been through tech school with Navy Seabees and having worked with them in the field, Navy Seabees were not responsible for those issues. Their technicians are on-par with Air Force technicians and their training with the Army at the Prime Power School is first-class. The electrical faults present in the many of these structures - to include the faults that caused the deaths of some U.S. personnel in the showers from electrical current - were completely the fault of the contractors.

At a hearing earlier this month, former KBR electricians said KBR employees with little electrical experience supervised work done by subcontractors and foreign electricians who could not speak English. Company electricians who raised doubts about the work were allegedly fired.

A list compiled by Casey's office details reports of electrocution deaths that included vehicles touching live wires, a solider killed while swimming and another who died while power-washing a Humvee. KBR told Casey Friday that it counted 15 electrocution deaths, basing its estimate on press reports. - USA Today, 2008

I've had to work in facilities built and wired-up by contractors at a "location in Southwest Asia" in which all of the wires were yellow - grounds, neutrals, switch legs, ungrounded conductors, home runs - they were all YELLOW and it pissed me and my crew off. A simple lighting issue became a two-day job because we had to troubleshoot and retrace the entire wiring of the structure and then re-tape the wires with their proper coloring per the National Electric Code.

Ungrounded Conductor = Black, Red, etc...any color that is not green, white, or grey (yellow is also avoided as it can age if exposed to harmful environment and can look white in appearance).

Grounded Conductor (Neutral) = White or Grey (some older installations in the US have white with a black stripe)

Ground = Green or Green with Yellow stripe

Switch Leg = same principle as the "ungrounded conductor" but different color from the primary circuit wire.

Okay...my bad...back on topic :bolt

imported_Renazance
06-17-2013, 07:41 AM
I'll give the USMC one thing, and that's they believe in maintaining tradition. Reminds me of a DoD awards symposium I went to a few years ago. At the beginning of the banquet each service/table was asked to yell out their "cheer." The four AF tables each shouted out different Sq chants, but all three tables of Marines snapped to attention in unison and shouted Semper Fi, then sat down. It was quick, loud and shouted with confidence. It was awesome!

Agreed. They are a small but proud group. They take pride in singing the USMC song and celebrating the Corps' birthday. I was at a bar in Okinawa a few years back and a bunch of Marines were out celebrating the USMC birthday, with each Marine wishing each other a happy birthday as if it was their own. You just don't see that in the AF. Hell, I bet half the airmen don't even know when the AF birthday is.

Rusty Jones
06-17-2013, 10:31 AM
Not of yours because you ain't got one. No on second thought that ain't right you are a prick after all. But being a heterosexual I like the other organ unlike you.

Always,
Wildman

Don't take the focus off you. Joe being a Marine is making you face your own insecurity. You're not comfortable with the military career choices YOU made. Joe being a Marine makes you feel like less of a man. That's why you're in denial of Joe having been Marine. It's penis envy, bud. Penis envy.

Pullinteeth
06-17-2013, 01:12 PM
When grunts and jarheads pull that crap with me, I just reply with, "Look, it's not my fault you got a 20 on your ASVAB."

Then I run away very quickly.

Actually, you could get in the Army with a 16...

20+Years
06-17-2013, 01:12 PM
This from an AF guy, the Seabees kick ass at thier job and have quite a good reputation in most places.

Drackore
06-17-2013, 02:04 PM
Absolutely zero argument there. Got to roll with some Seabees in Biloxi/Gulfport for awhile - kickass peeps.


This from an AF guy, the Seabees kick ass at thier job and have quite a good reputation in most places.

CYBERFX1024
06-17-2013, 02:05 PM
If you put him on "ignore" you don't even have to see his posts unless the post is quoted.

He occasionally says something of merit even if it is few and far between.

Drackore
06-17-2013, 02:27 PM
LOL...I just had one of the most awesome posts ever deleted because this thread got out of control (and it was deservedly deleted but damn was it glorious). Needless to say...even Obama, Bush, Clinton, and Bush made one or two decent decisions while in office. Few and far between is like saying from the Earth to Pluto. :P


He occasionally says something of merit even if it is few and far between.

MisterBen
06-18-2013, 01:01 AM
Agreed. They are a small but proud group. They take pride in singing the USMC song and celebrating the Corps' birthday. I was at a bar in Okinawa a few years back and a bunch of Marines were out celebrating the USMC birthday, with each Marine wishing each other a happy birthday as if it was their own. You just don't see that in the AF. Hell, I bet half the airmen don't even know when the AF birthday is.

That was the first thing I was drilled when I was a Marine. I been in the Army for 20 years now and I still am baffled when I ask a Soldier what is the Army's birthday and he gives me the deer in the headlights look.

wildman
06-18-2013, 03:07 AM
Don't take the focus off you. Joe being a Marine is making you face your own insecurity. You're not comfortable with the military career choices YOU made. Joe being a Marine makes you feel like less of a man. That's why you're in denial of Joe having been Marine. It's penis envy, bud. Penis envy.

Now I will try and keep this as civil as possible. I flat think Joe is a liar that he is not now nor ever was a Marine. Grow up and stop with the snide remarks, that makes you a flamer. Joe is more than capable to deny my allegation.

Always,
Wildman

Salty Old Dog
06-18-2013, 12:43 PM
Most people probably think this is a bit over the top, and overly dramatized. According to a high school buddy of mine, who went through Parris Island in 1980, it's not too far from the truth.....at least, back then. No idea how it is now, but I doubt they have time out cards! ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZGLw4Lnqp0

CYBERFX1024
06-18-2013, 01:49 PM
That was the first thing I was drilled when I was a Marine. I been in the Army for 20 years now and I still am baffled when I ask a Soldier what is the Army's birthday and he gives me the deer in the headlights look.

Of course it's one of the first things we are taught as Marines is the birthday and the Marine Corps Hymn. I remember in boot camp standing at attention while in bed in the squad bay being forced to sing the Marine Corps Hymn and saying "Good Night Chesty, wherever you are" before we went to bed.

I have known a few guys who crossed over into the Army. One of the things they said that they miss about the Marine Corps is the comradarie.

Johca
06-18-2013, 06:55 PM
You just don't see that in the AF. Hell, I bet half the airmen don't even know when the AF birthday is.Well for those than don’t know, it is September 18, 1947


...just remind him that in Iraq and Afghanistan, we came in and did ground ops after a few weeks of training and did it as good or better than they did with years of "experience". :PWhat ground combat operations utilization as an Air Force ground combat maneuver unit or an Air Force ground tactical element?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNt0UC-qml4

TSgt"M"
06-18-2013, 07:59 PM
My candy ass sez Joe isn't lying. Though he's probably an unsaved sinner. (just kidding mods)

Banned
06-18-2013, 11:03 PM
The Army has a somewhat "generic" feel to it - that has pros and cons. They're very aggressive about recruiting prior-service folks from other branches (as I found out first hand) - but I suppose a down-side to it is they don't have much of a distinct culture. I wasn't aware that June 14 was the Army birthday until I saw it on facebook....

OtisRNeedleman
06-18-2013, 11:20 PM
Good Lord. Let it go, people...

Slyoldawg
06-19-2013, 08:21 AM
My brother did 20 in the USMC, while I did 26 in the Air Force. I was the youngest of the family, and he never let me forget it. We had the usual verbal duels if we ever got home at the same time. he was a facility marine and spent most of his time on fire departments at Camp Lejune, and the Marine airbase in Carolina. I flew into his base on several occasions and could detect his pride when I showed him and his friends around the aircraft, a C-141 and later the C-5. After he retired we never discussed our military service much at all. He never hit a lick after he retired and he could never understand why I would want to continue working after retirement from the AF. The thing that bothered him the most it seems is that I did two tours in Vietnam and the closest he got was Japan. He never seemed to get over that.

Pullinteeth
06-19-2013, 05:31 PM
The Army has a somewhat "generic" feel to it - that has pros and cons. They're very aggressive about recruiting prior-service folks from other branches (as I found out first hand) - but I suppose a down-side to it is they don't have much of a distinct culture. I wasn't aware that June 14 was the Army birthday until I saw it on facebook....

Nah uh....you joined the Army NG-entirely different recruiters than Army Recruiters that recruit for AD Army and Army Reserves. (BTW, a good friend of mine is a CA ARNG recruiter)...:cop:

Banned
06-19-2013, 11:00 PM
Nah uh....you joined the Army NG-entirely different recruiters than Army Recruiters that recruit for AD Army and Army Reserves. (BTW, a good friend of mine is a CA ARNG recruiter)...:cop:

I've been trolled by recruiters from all three components. ;)

imported_Sgt HULK
06-20-2013, 06:10 AM
Agreed. They are a small but proud group. They take pride in singing the USMC song and celebrating the Corps' birthday. I was at a bar in Okinawa a few years back and a bunch of Marines were out celebrating the USMC birthday, with each Marine wishing each other a happy birthday as if it was their own. You just don't see that in the AF. Hell, I bet half the airmen don't even know when the AF birthday is.

This right here, My 84 yr old grandpa, retired 40 plus years ago and he and my grandma never miss a Marine Corp Ball, I'm even going to let him read me my oath he embodies everything i hope to be some day regardless of service affiliation.

RetC141BFCC
06-21-2013, 04:47 PM
I also run into the same thing. I just tell them sorry you could not pass your ASVAB test.

Nuckin Futs
06-24-2013, 03:20 AM
I also run into the same thing. I just tell them sorry you could not pass your ASVAB test.

That's a pretty ignorant statement...

I scored a 99 on the ASVAB, I enlisted because I wanted to be a Marine.

Drackore
06-24-2013, 12:05 PM
And others enlisted because they wanted to work on the equipment that the Air Force works on, or others wanted to be out in the ocean, or others wanted to work on state of the art weapon systems and see combat. The list goes on and on and on.

So if it's ignorant for the AF to say "At least I passed my ASVAB" to a Marine, I pose this: Why is mocking whoever for joining whatever alright, so long as it's not making fun of the service you joined?

I've met some pretty smart Marines, and I've met some pretty badass Airmen. I've met Marines that haven't smelt the gunpowder burn from a discharged weapon, and I know Airmen that have seen far more than any human should.

I've said it before (and we'll all do well if the snotty comments can stay away) - I can handle inter- and intra-service ribbing all day long. Once one side starts getting all sensitive and defensive, that's when you all need to shut the hell up. I had a post deleted because I made some points and some of "ya'll" got uppity (said post was harsh, but it was freaking accurate).

My dad was a 20 yr Marine. My dad was also my hero and I miss him dearly. My dad, when I was 18, beat the crap out of me when I told him I was a signature away from following in his foot steps. He told me to join any other service but NOT the Marines. He wanted better for me. Sadly, life took many turns and I joined the AF due to lack of options. My son, now 14, no longer has a desire to join the military at all because I made sure he will have enough options to avoid it. I don't care what service, right now the way our government manages us (the military) - it's not worth joining...at all. It's time to end the military as the family business in my bloodline.

At the end of the day I look at all uniform wearing men and women as my family...and I'll treat you as such. However you start getting all butthurt over a joke I make in response to a joke you make - it's time to pull out. This post is about some idiot that made a joke about the Air Force and some of you are getting butthurt. Leave. It's the freaking AF subforum for Military Times.


That's a pretty ignorant statement...

I scored a 99 on the ASVAB, I enlisted because I wanted to be a Marine.

TJMAC77SP
06-24-2013, 01:48 PM
More importantly than the fact that the Marines are smaller, they also promote a smaller percentage of people up through the ranks. The percentage of senior officers / senior NCOs to the rest of the force is much smaller than in the other 3 services. The USMC actually practices the "up or out" principle.

Well, the percentages are smaller in most categories (overall officer and E-7, E-6). It is level in E-9 and 2nd highest in E-8, equal to the Army in E-5 and 2nd highest in E-4). All this still doesn't prove the assertion that the 'USMC actually practices the "up or out" principle' any more than the other services.

Rusty Jones
06-24-2013, 02:30 PM
Well, the percentages are smaller in most categories (overall officer and E-7, E-6). It is level in E-9 and 2nd highest in E-8, equal to the Army in E-5 and 2nd highest in E-4). All this still doesn't prove the assertion that the 'USMC actually practices the "up or out" principle' any more than the other services.

But the Marine Corps does practice it more than the other services. In addition to high year tenure, you only get two chances to be selected into each of the SNCO paygrades (starting at E6). Right now, HYT for E5 in the Marine Corps is 10 years. An E5 can be shown the door if they get passed over twice for E6, even if this happens before E5 HYT. Even the more senior SNCO's will get the boot for getting passed over twice; even if they have less than 20 years.

Yes, the Marine Corps does practice it more than the other services.

TJMAC77SP
06-24-2013, 05:27 PM
But the Marine Corps does practice it more than the other services. In addition to high year tenure, you only get two chances to be selected into each of the SNCO paygrades (starting at E6). Right now, HYT for E5 in the Marine Corps is 10 years. An E5 can be shown the door if they get passed over twice for E6, even if this happens before E5 HYT. Even the more senior SNCO's will get the boot for getting passed over twice; even if they have less than 20 years.

Yes, the Marine Corps does practice it more than the other services.

Yes it would appear they do and yet TIS demographics are pretty equal comparing the USMC to the USAF. Seems the AF has a way to shape the force which yields similar results to the USMC.

Nuckin Futs
06-24-2013, 09:30 PM
And others enlisted because they wanted to work on the equipment that the Air Force works on, or others wanted to be out in the ocean, or others wanted to work on state of the art weapon systems and see combat. The list goes on and on and on.

So if it's ignorant for the AF to say "At least I passed my ASVAB" to a Marine, I pose this: Why is mocking whoever for joining whatever alright, so long as it's not making fun of the service you joined?

I've met some pretty smart Marines, and I've met some pretty badass Airmen. I've met Marines that haven't smelt the gunpowder burn from a discharged weapon, and I know Airmen that have seen far more than any human should.

I've said it before (and we'll all do well if the snotty comments can stay away) - I can handle inter- and intra-service ribbing all day long. Once one side starts getting all sensitive and defensive, that's when you all need to shut the hell up. I had a post deleted because I made some points and some of "ya'll" got uppity (said post was harsh, but it was freaking accurate).

My dad was a 20 yr Marine. My dad was also my hero and I miss him dearly. My dad, when I was 18, beat the crap out of me when I told him I was a signature away from following in his foot steps. He told me to join any other service but NOT the Marines. He wanted better for me. Sadly, life took many turns and I joined the AF due to lack of options. My son, now 14, no longer has a desire to join the military at all because I made sure he will have enough options to avoid it. I don't care what service, right now the way our government manages us (the military) - it's not worth joining...at all. It's time to end the military as the family business in my bloodline.

At the end of the day I look at all uniform wearing men and women as my family...and I'll treat you as such. However you start getting all butthurt over a joke I make in response to a joke you make - it's time to pull out. This post is about some idiot that made a joke about the Air Force and some of you are getting butthurt. Leave. It's the freaking AF subforum for Military Times.

Unless you've met the President's own you have not met a Marine who hasn't smelled gunpowder. And really the real issue most Marines have is they have a rougher life, yet get the same pay.

As far as butthurt? Meh, maybe. You'd be surprised how many Airmen I meet that believe that, especially the freaking Pilots.

Juggs
06-24-2013, 10:37 PM
Unless you've met the President's own you have not met a Marine who hasn't smelled gunpowder. And really the real issue most Marines have is they have a rougher life, yet get the same pay.

As far as butthurt? Meh, maybe. You'd be surprised how many Airmen I meet that believe that, especially the freaking Pilots.

Aviation marines very seldom actually shoot their weapons. Even in training. I had a buddy that is a helo mechanic and he said he can probably relate better to AF folks than your earthman Marines. Those were his words not mine.

Nuckin Futs
06-25-2013, 12:38 AM
Aviation marines very seldom actually shoot their weapons. Even in training. I had a buddy that is a helo mechanic and he said he can probably relate better to AF folks than your earthman Marines. Those were his words not mine.

They are still required to go to the rifle range every year, but like 0341 said Air Wingers are their own breed. A very relaxed, soft breed from what I've seen. It's a pain in the ass to work with them.

USMC0341
06-25-2013, 12:38 AM
Aviation marines very seldom actually shoot their weapons. Even in training. I had a buddy that is a helo mechanic and he said he can probably relate better to AF folks than your earthman Marines. Those were his words not mine.

The Air wingers are their own breed...

Nuckin Futs
06-25-2013, 12:39 AM
Aviation marines very seldom actually shoot their weapons. Even in training. I had a buddy that is a helo mechanic and he said he can probably relate better to AF folks than your earthman Marines. Those were his words not mine.

They are still required to go to the rifle range every year, but like 0341 said Air Wingers are their own breed. A very relaxed, soft breed from what I've seen. It's a pain in the ass to work with them.

USMC0341
06-25-2013, 12:53 AM
They are still required to go to the rifle range every year, but like 0341 said Air Wingers are their own breed. A very relaxed, soft breed from what I've seen. It's a pain in the ass to work with them.

They are only a pain if you want to plan to do an op on a certain day, at a certain time, with a specific asset. If you don't care about any of that they will be glad to help.

CYBERFX1024
06-25-2013, 03:47 AM
Unless you've met the President's own you have not met a Marine who hasn't smelled gunpowder. And really the real issue most Marines have is they have a rougher life, yet get the same pay.
As far as butthurt? Meh, maybe. You'd be surprised how many Airmen I meet that believe that, especially the freaking Pilots.

I concur with you on most of it. I was a POG in a Infantry (2/8) unit and our leadership decided that we would do EVERYTHING that the grunts had to do. It was complete bs and it sucked to say the least. But it helped us train as grunts and fill in for them when they needed us to in Iraq. I have done so many live fire drills in the NC heat that I can remember the drills in my sleep.

Air Wingers are complete different breed. They are usually promoted faster and do less shooting and less grunt work than ground Marines. I have seen Marines in the Air Wing complain over a 4.5/4.4 saying that it means that they are sh*tbag. When in the Infantry you sh*t hot with those scores.

Juggs
06-25-2013, 01:44 PM
They are still required to go to the rifle range every year, but like 0341 said Air Wingers are their own breed. A very relaxed, soft breed from what I've seen. It's a pain in the ass to work with them.

Said the same thing about grunts!!! It's funny.

Banned
06-25-2013, 04:30 PM
I concur with you on most of it. I was a POG in a Infantry (2/8) unit and our leadership decided that we would do EVERYTHING that the grunts had to do. It was complete bs and it sucked to say the least. But it helped us train as grunts and fill in for them when they needed us to in Iraq. I have done so many live fire drills in the NC heat that I can remember the drills in my sleep.

Air Wingers are complete different breed. They are usually promoted faster and do less shooting and less grunt work than ground Marines. I have seen Marines in the Air Wing complain over a 4.5/4.4 saying that it means that they are sh*tbag. When in the Infantry you sh*t hot with those scores.

Yup, I checked out of 2nd MARDIV and into II MEF with my 4.2/4.2 pros and cons - and got chewed out by the S-1 sergeant checking me in for being a dirt bag.

RetC141BFCC
06-29-2013, 01:25 PM
Dude
Just like I am not in the chair force. I work with a lot of ex military and retired military here in Norfolk. You joke on me I joke back guys here are always calling us chair force. I also say don't call a Marine a Jar Head you can put something in a jar thats what I usually come back with. If you can not take a joke you should not start a joke.

Nuckin Futs
06-29-2013, 06:52 PM
Dude
Just like I am not in the chair force. I work with a lot of ex military and retired military here in Norfolk. You joke on me I joke back guys here are always calling us chair force. I also say don't call a Marine a Jar Head you can put something in a jar thats what I usually come back with. If you can not take a joke you should not start a joke.

What in the name of incoherent, rambling sentences is this monstrosity?

Drackore
06-29-2013, 11:04 PM
Translation: Don't rag on a service unless you can handle your service getting ragged on.


What in the name of incoherent, rambling sentences is this monstrosity?

Banned
06-29-2013, 11:15 PM
Here's how I picture Joe
http://youtu.be/r_BmRMMej3U

"If we don't find a tank, I'll look really stupid, and all the other officers will laugh at me!"

Rusty Jones
06-30-2013, 12:00 AM
Translation: Don't rag on a service unless you can handle your service getting ragged on.

I noticed that most of the bashing is between the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps. That's probably because we swabees give the least of a fuck about all that.

Juggs
07-01-2013, 12:34 AM
I noticed that most of the bashing is between the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps. That's probably because we swabees give the least of a fuck about all that.

Cause youre on a motha f*ckin boat!!!