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grimreaper
05-16-2013, 10:04 PM
During Rose Garden press conference, Obama refuses to apologize for secretly seizing AP phone records, shifts blame to Congress for Benghazi security lapses, and dodges question about White House IRS knowledge


-Assailed by questions over three scanadals engulfing White House during Rose Garden press conference with Turkish Prime Minister
-Would not say whether anyone in his West Wing knew about the IRS targeting of the Tea Party before last week
-Offered 'no apologies' for DoJ secretly seizing phone records of Associated Press reporters over intelligence leak
-Admitted 'lessons needed to be learned' from Benghazi but said it was up to Congress to approve more money for military to provide extra security in hotspots abroad.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325606/During-Rose-Garden-press-conference-Obama-refuses-apologize-secretly-seizing-AP-phone-records-shifts-blame-Congress-Benghazi-security-lapses-dodges-question-White-House-IRS-knowledge.html

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ARB hearings: Oct. 10, 2012 hearing: QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

She added: “This was an unprecedented attack in size.” Asked again about budget issues, Lamb said: “Sir, if it’s a volatile situation, we will move assets to cover that.”



May 8, 2013 hearing: QUESTION: Mr. Nordstrom, you were on that panel. Do you remember what she [Lamb] said?

REGIONAL SECURITY OFFICER ERIC NORDSTROM: Yes, she said that resources was not an issue. And I think I would also point to the ARB report, if I'm not mistaken, that they talked to our chief financial officer with D.S. [Diplomatic Security], who also said that resources were not an issue.

So not only does this guy not know what's going on in any of the Departments of the Executive Branch he runs, when people under his branch of government f-up, who does he blame? The Legislative Branch...or to narrow it down more specifically, the House. To narrow it down even further, House Republicans.

Just like the State Department, Hillary Clinton doesn't know what going on and in the Justice Department, the Attorney General doesn't know what's going on. The Buck Stops Where???


http://youtu.be/k-fW4ddg6TI

VFFTSGT
05-16-2013, 10:10 PM
That's hilarious...this one was good too: (you know's it bad when the liberals are hating on other liberals)

My favorite part is the Senior Official at the IRS stating she's not good at math.

http://youtu.be/8XKBqcIEOXM


http://youtu.be/8XKBqcIEOXM

grimreaper
05-16-2013, 10:21 PM
That one is great too. John Stewart has been all over this and it's hilarious. Obama is keeping him stocked plenty of material. Don't want to file your taxes? Just apologize.

USAF-Controller
05-16-2013, 10:58 PM
The amount of hypocrisy shown by the right on this matter is staggering. That being said, yes it was a tragedy. Turning it into a witch hunt wont solve anything. Fix the problem to keep it from happening again. Both sides share equal blame in this as it was the failure of both sides to pass a proper budget. No budgets mean cuts are made. Those cuts directly impacted the security lapses that led to the Benghazi tragedy.

grimreaper
05-16-2013, 11:11 PM
The amount of hypocrisy shown by the right on this matter is staggering. That being said, yes it was a tragedy. Turning it into a witch hunt wont solve anything. Fix the problem to keep it from happening again. Both sides share equal blame in this as it was the failure of both sides to pass a proper budget. No budgets mean cuts are made. Those cuts directly impacted the security lapses that led to the Benghazi tragedy.

Ummm, no. The SENATE failed to pass a budget and that can be 100% attributed to Harry Reid. The House did its duty and passed a budget each and every year.

And since it appears that you didn't bother to read what was posted, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, the one who was responsible for making these decisions, testified that money was NOT an issue in this, so I have no idea how you are making the assertion that both sides are to blame.

Here, let me post it for you again...

ARB hearings: Oct. 10, 2012 hearing: QUESTION: It has been suggested that budget cuts were responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi. And I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?

DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE CHARLENE LAMB: No, sir.

She added: “This was an unprecedented attack in size.” Asked again about budget issues, Lamb said: “Sir, if it’s a volatile situation, we will move assets to cover that.”

And the attempted cover-up by the State Department is 100% on them.

grimreaper
05-16-2013, 11:51 PM
My thread was better.

Violet, your turning violet, Violet.

Gotta start somewhere.

grimreaper
05-16-2013, 11:58 PM
My thread was better.

Violet, your turning violet, Violet.

Gotta start somewhere.

RobotChicken
05-17-2013, 05:44 AM
Gotta start somewhere.

:brick 'At the very bottom of the wale dung heap at 35k feet!!' :spy

Vrake
05-17-2013, 11:43 AM
:brick 'At the very bottom of the wale dung heap at 35k feet!!' :spy

So we have to airlift wale dung to 35K now? How do we keep it there? If you are talking ocean it's not that deep Sir.

Robert F. Dorr
05-17-2013, 05:56 PM
So not only does this guy not know what's going on in any of the Departments of the Executive Branch he runs, when people under his branch of government f-up, who does he blame?

This is incorrect.

It should be whom.

VFFTSGT
05-17-2013, 05:58 PM
This is incorrect.

It should be whom.

This is your argument? Really?! You cannot even properly space sentences, yet are trying to correct others' grammar?! :frusty

I defer to my previous statement...


Yeah, we tried to run off this guy named Bob that hates on Bush for taking away freedoms and his savior Obama restored them by signing off on the same laws... :der

But he just keeps coming back. :biggrin

But more to the point, we knew her as Alice if I remember right.

grimreaper
05-17-2013, 08:44 PM
This thread has nothing to do with the Air Force.

Nothing whatsoever.

grimreaper
05-17-2013, 08:45 PM
This thread has nothing to do with the Air Force.

Nothing whatsoever.

VFFTSGT
05-18-2013, 06:14 AM
Meanwhile, the GOP controlled house votes for the 37th time to repeal ObamaCare...

Too bad the Democratically controlled Senate hasn't passed a budget in like 6 years.

Banned
05-18-2013, 06:19 AM
Meanwhile, the GOP controlled house votes for the 37th time to repeal ObamaCare...

VFFTSGT
05-18-2013, 06:22 AM
Meanwhile, the GOP controlled house votes for the 37th time to repeal ObamaCare...

Too bad the Democrats in the Senate haven't passed a budget in like 6 years.

Banned
05-18-2013, 06:24 AM
Too bad the Democrats in the Senate haven't passed a budget in like 6 years.

I'll get the catfood.

VFFTSGT
05-18-2013, 06:49 AM
I'll get the catfood.

I'll get the popcorn... :pop2

RobotChicken
05-20-2013, 04:36 AM
I'll get the catfood.
:spy And I'll get the 'litterbox' ready 4 you!! :evil

Stalwart
05-20-2013, 12:52 PM
Too bad the Democratically controlled Senate hasn't passed a budget in like 6 years.

They did, on March 23, 2013 (S. Con. Res. 8 -- Fiscal 2014 Senate Budget Resolution) by a vote of 50 - 49. It was the first budget the Senate had produced since 2009.

The Senate Budget Resolution is awaiting reconciliation (not likely to actually happen) with the House Budget Resolution (H.Con.Res. 25 which passed 221-207 on 21 March, 2013). Neither chamber has requested a conference or named conference members.

SomeRandomGuy
05-20-2013, 02:41 PM
Meanwhile, the GOP controlled house votes for the 37th time to repeal ObamaCare...

When you are right about something there is nothing wrong with saying "I told you so" 37 times even if you are saying it before the catastrophe even happens.

sandsjames
05-20-2013, 03:09 PM
Where was president on benghazi attack night
And what was he doing?

I think he was speaking at a college, imparting his wisdom. Other people get paid to worry about Benghazi.

edit: His message at the college was a good one, though. Basically he said "Quit using being black as an excuse to not succeed". I wonder if he'll catch as much shit as Bill Cosby did. Anyway...off topic.

Banned
05-20-2013, 05:55 PM
When you are right about something there is nothing wrong with saying "I told you so" 37 times even if you are saying it before the catastrophe even happens.

Yes, the catastrophe of people getting medical care who previously didn't. Horrid.

ObamaCare has flaws - its flawed because it is a conservative system. The only reason the Christian Republicans are going apeshit about this because the evil black guy proposed it.

JD2780
05-20-2013, 06:05 PM
Yes, the catastrophe of people getting medical care who previously didn't. Horrid.

ObamaCare has flaws - its flawed because it is a conservative system. The only reason the Christian Republicans are going apeshit about this because the evil black guy proposed it.

Not really JB. I guess in your world there is no such thing as a black conservative Christian. Or you would just refer to him as an Uncle Tom. Way to go.

I'm guess its the birth control thing that they are fighting since the Catholic Church disagrees with it, and shouldn't be forced to provide it as part of a health insurance deal.

SomeRandomGuy
05-20-2013, 06:13 PM
Yes, the catastrophe of people getting medical care who previously didn't. Horrid.

ObamaCare has flaws - its flawed because it is a conservative system. The only reason the Christian Republicans are going apeshit about this because the evil black guy proposed it.

Wrong Joe it is flawed because it did nothing to actually fix the healthcare system. The single biggest thing done under Obama to fix Healthcare was actually done by Kathleen Sebelious. She is the Health and Human Services Secretary who released the Medicare "chargemaster". If you are not familiar a chargemaster is a list of what a hospital charges for each item or service. Medicare never pays the full hospital pirce. Most hospitals will not release what they charge individual insurance companies. All of the rates are negotiated by individual insurance companies and treated like "trade secrets". I live in Dayton, Ohio and have Blue Cross health Insurance. If I neede to have surgery I have about 4-6 options as far as hospitals go. My insurance will pick up 90%. The problem is I cannot compare prices at the hospitals to see how much my 10% will cost each place. I would support Obamacare if it included the following items:

1. Remove the prohibition from insurance companies selling policies across state lines (creates competition)
2. Mandatory for every hospital to make their chargemaster public knowledge so customers can shop prices for elective procedures (healthcare is a service after all)
3. Create more options for Healthcare Spend Accounts (HSA). For an otherwise healthy young person an HSA coupled with a disaster policy would not only be cheaper but smarter. (An HSA is basically a 401K for Healthcare. You pay into the account and then if you have an expense you use the fund to pay for it)

Of course none of the three items I mentioned will ever happen because they were blocked by lobbyists. I think most Americans would support universal healthcare if we could have an honest debate about it. The problem is the liberals want it to be government run and the conservatives do not want "socialism". If we could find common ground in the middle the problem could be solved very easily.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08/an-end-to-medical-billing-secrecy/

Banned
05-20-2013, 06:30 PM
Not really JB. I guess in your world there is no such thing as a black conservative Christian. Or you would just refer to him as an Uncle Tom. Way to go.

I'm guess its the birth control thing that they are fighting since the Catholic Church disagrees with it, and shouldn't be forced to provide it as part of a health insurance deal.

Yup. Because child-molesting zealots should have a say in what is or isn't covered by health insurance.


Wrong Joe it is flawed because it did nothing to actually fix the healthcare system. The single biggest thing done under Obama to fix Healthcare was actually done by Kathleen Sebelious. She is the Health and Human Services Secretary who released the Medicare "chargemaster". If you are not familiar a chargemaster is a list of what a hospital charges for each item or service. Medicare never pays the full hospital pirce. Most hospitals will not release what they charge individual insurance companies. All of the rates are negotiated by individual insurance companies and treated like "trade secrets". I live in Dayton, Ohio and have Blue Cross health Insurance. If I neede to have surgery I have about 4-6 options as far as hospitals go. My insurance will pick up 90%. The problem is I cannot compare prices at the hospitals to see how much my 10% will cost each place. I would support Obamacare if it included the following items:

1. Remove the prohibition from insurance companies selling policies across state lines (creates competition)
2. Mandatory for every hospital to make their chargemaster public knowledge so customers can shop prices for elective procedures (healthcare is a service after all)
3. Create more options for Healthcare Spend Accounts (HSA). For an otherwise healthy young person an HSA coupled with a disaster policy would not only be cheaper but smarter. (An HSA is basically a 401K for Healthcare. You pay into the account and then if you have an expense you use the fund to pay for it)

Of course none of the three items I mentioned will ever happen because they were blocked by lobbyists. I think most Americans would support universal healthcare if we could have an honest debate about it. The problem is the liberals want it to be government run and the conservatives do not want "socialism". If we could find common ground in the middle the problem could be solved very easily.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08/an-end-to-medical-billing-secrecy/

My main issue with ObamaCare is that it is a conservative system that further entrenches the corrupt capitalist system that currently provides healthcare. This isn't the Republicans' objection - they are protesting it for the simple reason that they will oppose anything that Obama does.

Now if there was a better idea that could be put in the place of ObamaCare - certainly - but the GOP just wants to tear it down and replace it with nothing.

VFFTSGT
05-20-2013, 06:31 PM
Wrong Joe it is flawed because it did nothing to actually fix the healthcare system. The single biggest thing done under Obama to fix Healthcare was actually done by Kathleen Sebelious. She is the Health and Human Services Secretary who released the Medicare "chargemaster". If you are not familiar a chargemaster is a list of what a hospital charges for each item or service. Medicare never pays the full hospital pirce. Most hospitals will not release what they charge individual insurance companies. All of the rates are negotiated by individual insurance companies and treated like "trade secrets". I live in Dayton, Ohio and have Blue Cross health Insurance. If I neede to have surgery I have about 4-6 options as far as hospitals go. My insurance will pick up 90%. The problem is I cannot compare prices at the hospitals to see how much my 10% will cost each place. I would support Obamacare if it included the following items:

1. Remove the prohibition from insurance companies selling policies across state lines (creates competition)
2. Mandatory for every hospital to make their chargemaster public knowledge so customers can shop prices for elective procedures (healthcare is a service after all)
3. Create more options for Healthcare Spend Accounts (HSA). For an otherwise healthy young person an HSA coupled with a disaster policy would not only be cheaper but smarter. (An HSA is basically a 401K for Healthcare. You pay into the account and then if you have an expense you use the fund to pay for it)

Of course none of the three items I mentioned will ever happen because they were blocked by lobbyists. I think most Americans would support universal healthcare if we could have an honest debate about it. The problem is the liberals want it to be government run and the conservatives do not want "socialism". If we could find common ground in the middle the problem could be solved very easily.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/08/an-end-to-medical-billing-secrecy/

Pretty much. But all Joe knows is the talking points about how Obamacare is going to be the best thing ever. He fails to even seen his own Democrats are trying to run from it now.

The irony is Joe despises capitalism (and loves government solutions) but our health care system is the farthest thing from a capitalist system. It is rigged by insurance companies, lobbyist, and government. The same government that is proclaiming to fix the problems they caused.

Joe wants to give insurance to people who didn't have insurance... We didn't need 1,000+ page bill to do that. We just needed to change the Medicaid eligibility requirements.

Rainmaker
05-20-2013, 06:45 PM
Yes, the catastrophe of people getting medical care who previously didn't. Horrid.

ObamaCare has flaws - its flawed because it is a conservative system. The only reason the Christian Republicans are going apeshit about this because the evil black guy proposed it.

You drinking too much Brown Kool aide Joe. I think you only like it because the guy that proposed it was half black. All the blowback from the right on this issue is a complete farce.

ObamaCare is yet another taxpayer funded giveaway to another too big to fail private industry. too many employers were dropping coverage, so they needed a bailout and have to force more people into the market. Just like before, there is going to be no incentive to control costs with Obamacare, because the industry profits are based on the continued double digit annual increases in health care inflation. it's just another public-private partnership that's going to be screwing over the average Joe. There is no free market for health care unless you rich enough to pay Cash. NomSayin'?

Banned
05-21-2013, 01:13 AM
Pretty much. But all Joe knows is the talking points about how Obamacare is going to be the best thing ever. He fails to even seen his own Democrats are trying to run from it now.


I really try to convince myself that you're an intelligent person - but its sometimes like you're actively trying to prove me wrong. When have I said ObamaCare is "the best thing ever" - or that I even support it?

Since you're such a brave and bold capitalist - I'll make you a wager - next paycheck - find me a quote of mine where I say ObamaCare is the best solution... or even a good solution.

If you can't - then stop making a fool of yourself and go back to pleasuring yourself to the Ron Paul Helter Skelter poster over your desk.


The irony is Joe despises capitalism (and loves government solutions) but our health care system is the farthest thing from a capitalist system. It is rigged by insurance companies, lobbyist, and government. The same government that is proclaiming to fix the problems they caused.

So in your world, capitalists don't use their money to gain influence and eliminate opposition? Why don't they? Are they stupid? If I was a multi-billionaire, and I hadn't successfully established a monopoly, or hired someone to establish a monopoly for me, I would start questioning my own intelligence.


Joe wants to give insurance to people who didn't have insurance... We didn't need 1,000+ page bill to do that. We just needed to change the Medicaid eligibility requirements.

I've presented my argument to you countless times... yet it seems to go into one ear and out the other. Changing medicaid helps, but won't make healthcare less expensive.

JD2780
05-21-2013, 01:50 AM
I really try to convince myself that you're an intelligent person - but its sometimes like you're actively trying to prove me wrong. When have I said ObamaCare is "the best thing ever" - or that I even support it?

Since you're such a brave and bold capitalist - I'll make you a wager - next paycheck - find me a quote of mine where I say ObamaCare is the best solution... or even a good solution.

If you can't - then stop making a fool of yourself and go back to pleasuring yourself to the Ron Paul Helter Skelter poster over your desk.



So in your world, capitalists don't use their money to gain influence and eliminate opposition? Why don't they? Are they stupid? If I was a multi-billionaire, and I hadn't successfully established a monopoly, or hired someone to establish a monopoly for me, I would start questioning my own intelligence.



I've presented my argument to you countless times... yet it seems to go into one ear and out the other. Changing medicaid helps, but won't make healthcare less expensive.

Funny JB I've asked you the same question a few times regarding me supporting a fanatical judge or support extremist Christians. You never respond to those.

Juggs
06-27-2013, 12:21 PM
I didnt tell you to sit down. I told you to park your effing ass in the seat. Yea, I see what they did there.

Sergeant eNYgma
06-28-2013, 07:25 PM
I always figured if Obamacare is so good, why does Congress and he himseld opt out of it?