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Shaken1976
05-14-2013, 02:22 PM
Many years ago when my daughter was a baby she had to have tubes put in her ears and her adnoids removed. My supervisor decided that I would have to take leave for this. Instead of arguing I just did the paperwork. Since he told me the day before surgery I had to walk it through the chain and that included getting the Commander to sign off on leave with less than 3 days notice.

The Commander asked why I was taking short notice leave and I explained what it was for. He told me that it was not leave but an appointment...which I knew...and sent me back to my shop.

By the time I got back my supervisor was on the way out the door to go see the commander about why he was going to charge me leave.
When he got back he wrote me an LOC for breaking the chain of command.

All LOC's went up to the Shirt and Commander. So my rebuttal read something to the effect of I answered a question asked by the Commander and felt that integrity and honesty were important when dealing with the Commander.

He still sent the LOC up. The Commander then called all of us up to find out what the hell was going on. I ended up with a new section and new supervisor after that because he felt that there were too many personality conflicts between my supervisor and me.

Shaken1976
05-14-2013, 02:30 PM
Doesn’t sound like you got into trouble at all, sounds like your supervisor was made to look like a bit of an ass. No WTF moment there.

The ass chewing I got and the LOC before the CC destroyed it was my WTF moment. I was wondering what the hell I was supposed to have done when the CC asked a question.

Absinthe Anecdote
05-14-2013, 02:34 PM
Many years ago when my daughter was a baby she had to have tubes put in her ears and her adnoids removed. My supervisor decided that I would have to take leave for this. Instead of arguing I just did the paperwork. Since he told me the day before surgery I had to walk it through the chain and that included getting the Commander to sign off on leave with less than 3 days notice.

The Commander asked why I was taking short notice leave and I explained what it was for. He told me that it was not leave but an appointment...which I knew...and sent me back to my shop.

By the time I got back my supervisor was on the way out the door to go see the commander about why he was going to charge me leave.
When he got back he wrote me an LOC for breaking the chain of command.

All LOC's went up to the Shirt and Commander. So my rebuttal read something to the effect of I answered a question asked by the Commander and felt that integrity and honesty were important when dealing with the Commander.

He still sent the LOC up. The Commander then called all of us up to find out what the hell was going on. I ended up with a new section and new supervisor after that because he felt that there were too many personality conflicts between my supervisor and me.

Doesn’t sound like you got into trouble at all, sounds like your supervisor was made to look like a bit of an ass. No WTF moment there.

SomeRandomGuy
05-14-2013, 02:36 PM
Many years ago when my daughter was a baby she had to have tubes put in her ears and her adnoids removed. My supervisor decided that I would have to take leave for this. Instead of arguing I just did the paperwork. Since he told me the day before surgery I had to walk it through the chain and that included getting the Commander to sign off on leave with less than 3 days notice.

The Commander asked why I was taking short notice leave and I explained what it was for. He told me that it was not leave but an appointment...which I knew...and sent me back to my shop.

By the time I got back my supervisor was on the way out the door to go see the commander about why he was going to charge me leave.
When he got back he wrote me an LOC for breaking the chain of command.

All LOC's went up to the Shirt and Commander. So my rebuttal read something to the effect of I answered a question asked by the Commander and felt that integrity and honesty were important when dealing with the Commander.

He still sent the LOC up. The Commander then called all of us up to find out what the hell was going on. I ended up with a new section and new supervisor after that because he felt that there were too many personality conflicts between my supervisor and me.

I do not want to give too many details because it would give away who I am. Here is the short story though. I was assigned to an overseas base. Since I was new to the base I did not know many people. I wanted to go out for a beer and dinner so I chose a restaurant in town which I knew military frequented. I went by myself and had a beer then stuck around for Karaoke. Around 1000 at night I was standing outside smoking talking to a girl when some random bar patron blindsides me with a beer bottle. I had to go to the hospital and get 6 stitches and I also had a slight concussion. The next day my supervisor and I had to report to the commanders office. The commander wanted to know why I was out drinking and did not have a wingman. I kept trying to explain I was the victim here and the commander kept threatening punishment. I had to get ADC involved before the commander finally backed off. Apparantly if you get suckered punched it is your own fault even if you did nothing to provoke it. Also I should have had a wingman there evn though a wingman would not have chnaged anything at all.

SomeRandomGuy
05-14-2013, 02:37 PM
Many years ago when my daughter was a baby she had to have tubes put in her ears and her adnoids removed. My supervisor decided that I would have to take leave for this. Instead of arguing I just did the paperwork. Since he told me the day before surgery I had to walk it through the chain and that included getting the Commander to sign off on leave with less than 3 days notice.

The Commander asked why I was taking short notice leave and I explained what it was for. He told me that it was not leave but an appointment...which I knew...and sent me back to my shop.

By the time I got back my supervisor was on the way out the door to go see the commander about why he was going to charge me leave.
When he got back he wrote me an LOC for breaking the chain of command.

All LOC's went up to the Shirt and Commander. So my rebuttal read something to the effect of I answered a question asked by the Commander and felt that integrity and honesty were important when dealing with the Commander.

He still sent the LOC up. The Commander then called all of us up to find out what the hell was going on. I ended up with a new section and new supervisor after that because he felt that there were too many personality conflicts between my supervisor and me.

I do not want to give too many details because it would give away who I am. Here is the short story though. I was assigned to an overseas base. Since I was new to the base I did not know many people. I wanted to go out for a beer and dinner so I chose a restaurant in town which I knew military frequented. I went by myself and had a beer then stuck around for Karaoke. Around 1000 at night I was standing outside smoking talking to a girl when some random bar patron blindsides me with a beer bottle. I had to go to the hospital and get 6 stitches and I also had a slight concussion. The next day my supervisor and I had to report to the commanders office. The commander wanted to know why I was out drinking and did not have a wingman. I kept trying to explain I was the victim here and the commander kept threatening punishment. I had to get ADC involved before the commander finally backed off. Apparantly if you get suckered punched it is your own fault even if you did nothing to provoke it. Also I should have had a wingman there evn though a wingman would not have chnaged anything at all.

Shaken1976
05-14-2013, 02:37 PM
Doesn’t sound like you got into trouble at all, sounds like your supervisor was made to look like a bit of an ass. No WTF moment there.

The ass chewing I got and the LOC before the CC destroyed it was my WTF moment. I was wondering what the hell I was supposed to have done when the CC asked a question.

technomage1
05-14-2013, 02:51 PM
Mine was when I was completely and totally blindsided by a 4 EPR. My supervisor was happy with my work and I heard nothing but praise. Then my super got ahold of it. When I asked why I was getting a 4, and what I could do to improve, I was told that I should already know why and the fact that I didn't know what I needed to do meant I was a bad TSgt & that he expected SrA to know that. No feedbacks, btw, at any point in the reporting period, documented or otherwise. I also got into trouble for that, too, since I was supposed to tell people I wanted a feedback.

I still have absolutely no idea what he was talking about. I'm pretty sure it was a personality conflict since I've never had a problem before or since. Luckily I PCSd shortly after that. Odd thing was, that year was the most I've ever worked in the AF. I poured in the hours and got the job done. By any objective measure, I should've gotten a 5 and been lauded. I've never worked that hard again and I never will. It's not worth it if some @ss can use the system like that and get away with it.

When I got to my next base, I was like an abused wife, cringing whenever I was spoken too and scared of my own shadow. Thank goodness for my OIC and CC there. They restored a lot of my faith in the system and my self confidence.

Absinthe Anecdote
05-14-2013, 02:55 PM
Mine was when I was completely and totally blindsided by a 4 EPR. My supervisor was happy with my work and I heard nothing but praise. Then my super got ahold of it. When I asked why I was getting a 4, and what I could do to improve, I was told that I should already know why and the fact that I didn't know what I needed to do meant I was a bad TSgt & that he expected SrA to know that. No feedbacks, btw, at any point in the reporting period, documented or otherwise. I also got into trouble for that, too, since I was supposed to tell people I wanted a feedback.

I still have absolutely no idea what he was talking about. I'm pretty sure it was a personality conflict since I've never had a problem before or since. Luckily I PCSd shortly after that. Odd thing was, that year was the most I've ever worked in the AF. I poured in the hours and got the job done. By any objective measure, I should've gotten a 5 and been lauded. I've never worked that hard again and I never will. It's not worth it if some @ss can use the system like that and get away with it.

When I got to my next base, I was like an abused wife, cringing whenever I was spoken too and scared of my own shadow. Thank goodness for my OIC and CC there. They restored a lot of my faith in the system and my self confidence.

I love this!

It reminds of that trial they put Charlton Heston on in Planet of the Apes.

Tak
05-14-2013, 03:26 PM
Worked in a shop, small, a MSgt, ssgt and two sra, I was one of the sra
MSgt tried to deny ssgt and sra leave together, because if they died in crash
Our shop would stay 50% manned.

Tak
05-14-2013, 03:38 PM
Was giving an a1c a 5 epr, smsgt giving him a 3:
We agreed to disagree, sq had meeting never talking
To me, result was I better change my rating or my next
Epr would be knocked down. My TSgt boss, I was
Sra at time came in screaming and sent me to ig to
Talk, in case they followed through with threat.
Also shirt asked I was gonna fall on sword for guy,
I said hell yeah. Guess whole sq was surprised ole tak
As a sra was taking on smsgt.
Note, must have impressed smsgt, cuz he gave
Glowing recommendation for a special duty job.

imported_chipotleboy
05-14-2013, 03:50 PM
As a young 1Lt, I was as an intelligence analyst at NASIC. I wrote in my draft document that because we know "A" and "B", and "A + B = C", then "C" is likely to happen. Then I sent it up the intel community food chain for review then went on leave for a couple of weeks. When I came back, I found out that some springbutt Major in the DC area had tried to get me arrested for a major security violation because stating "C" was likely to happen was classified at a level far above what my document was supposed to be classified at. Fortunately, my leadership was able to produce my analysis notes to show how I concluded "C" was likely to happen because we knew "A" and "B" at the appropriate levels of classification. Now satisfied, the Major directed I change my report to read "C" might happen.

That Major later chastised me in the final review of the document for having 31 "em" dashes in my report that should have been "en" dashes. Our office had to look up what "em" and "en" dashes were. After I PCA'd to my next job, he badmouthed me at the kickoff meeting for the next version of the document saying it was the worst piece of intelligence analysis work he'd ever seen, only to get reamed in front of his leadership by the MAJCOM GS-15/Retired O-6 customer who said the best piece of intelligence analysis he'd seen was the version I wrote before the Major directed all of the changes that took out all the information the MAJCOM customers needed, and if the final product was bad, the Major owned that for directing drastic changes, and that the Major should quit telling the field what they needed in the report and stick to his job of validating the content of the analysis. He ended up retiring as a Major.

JD2780
05-14-2013, 04:41 PM
Nope, I pretty much deserved what I got.

ttribe
05-14-2013, 04:49 PM
"Have you ever gotten in trouble for something and thought WTF?"

Its called being married dude.

JD2780
05-14-2013, 04:58 PM
"Have you ever gotten in trouble for something and thought WTF?"

Its called being married dude.

Once again, still got what I deserved. I married her, I deserve what I got.

technomage1
05-14-2013, 06:49 PM
I love this!

It reminds of that trial they put Charlton Heston on in Planet of the Apes.

Yep. Definate WTF moment.

I had another supervisor tell me when I was a SSgt that he didn't like questions, that he expected his SSgts to figure out things for themselves, nevermind that I was brand new to the section and that portion of our job. He gave me an assignment, I didn't know what he wanted - and couldn't ask due to his guidance - so I gave him my best guess as to what it was after dragging it out as long as possible while I tried to figure it out. I guessed wrong & got my butt reamed for "not wanting to do it". Sigh. Once my super found out my side of the story - which the supervisor never bothered to ask - the supervisor was fired.

I always thought that was the Chinese finger trap of advice since the more you struggled against it the tighter it got.

Also had someone try to explain an EPR rating to me that merged all the blocks together. Essentially, because Amn Johnny needed improvement in 1 area, he was marked down in every single block. Johnny needed to brush up on his work skills in 1 area - and not severely, I might add, so he was lacking in standards, training, teamwork, etc too. The guy would've wound up with a 3 EPR for a one time minor failing had I not intervened.

technomage1
05-14-2013, 06:57 PM
As a young 1Lt, I was as an intelligence analyst at NASIC. I wrote in my draft document that because we know "A" and "B", and "A + B = C", then "C" is likely to happen. Then I sent it up the intel community food chain for review then went on leave for a couple of weeks. When I came back, I found out that some springbutt Major in the DC area had tried to get me arrested for a major security violation because stating "C" was likely to happen was classified at a level far above what my document was supposed to be classified at. Fortunately, my leadership was able to produce my analysis notes to show how I concluded "C" was likely to happen because we knew "A" and "B" at the appropriate levels of classification. Now satisfied, the Major directed I change my report to read "C" might happen.

That Major later chastised me in the final review of the document for having 31 "em" dashes in my report that should have been "en" dashes. Our office had to look up what "em" and "en" dashes were. After I PCA'd to my next job, he badmouthed me at the kickoff meeting for the next version of the document saying it was the worst piece of intelligence analysis work he'd ever seen, only to get reamed in front of his leadership by the MAJCOM GS-15/Retired O-6 customer who said the best piece of intelligence analysis he'd seen was the version I wrote before the Major directed all of the changes that took out all the information the MAJCOM customers needed, and if the final product was bad, the Major owned that for directing drastic changes, and that the Major should quit telling the field what they needed in the report and stick to his job of validating the content of the analysis. He ended up retiring as a Major.

We have a civilian high in our chain who did the same thing. Like the war will be lost over what type of freaking dash to use. I never knew there where even types of dashes prior to that.

Tak
05-14-2013, 07:02 PM
Okay, remembered another...Table of leadership was deciding who was gonna brief a group...
The army DS says, well it cant be XXX becuase theyll be wondering why we have a huge
fat azz SES general equiv in this command...gotta love the army for keeping it real

drc100882
05-14-2013, 07:15 PM
Got an LOC on my SECOND day at a new duty station. I got to the base in early evening and moved into the dorms and was inprocessing the next day when the 1Sgt inspected my dorm room. It was a total mess so I got an LOC. That was definitely a WTF moment. I was young and ignorant so I didn't say anything.

I also got in trouble for not picking up cigarette butts out in front of my work building. It was my week for cleaning up around the building. They didn't give me gloves or anything... just had to pick them up and put them in the butt can. So I didn't do it all week and no one said anything till the 1Sgt (same one) showed up with an LOR. My supervisor told him she'd handle it. The next day an email was sent saying that picking up butts was no longer part of the clean up and that the commander didn't want airmen cleaning them up if his people couldn't be responsible enough to dispose of them correctly. The next week the butt can was totally gone.

OtisRNeedleman
05-14-2013, 10:11 PM
Yeah....during my three-year sentence at NSA. Had been given a very nebulous thing to work on. Never was able to get enough elaboration on it, so got some folks together, did what I could. Briefed my part of it to some assembled group chiefs and our AF two-star resident in the building. Some no-good son-of-a-bitch who was a group chief started giving me a bunch of crap about our work. As much as I wanted to cold-cock the swine, I stayed professional in my reactions, but it was definitely a WTF moment. Afterward the two-star somewhat apologized offline for the asshole's behavior. Am sure the group chief in question has retired. Hopefully he either has died, is dying, or will die slowly and in agony. Just another reason why I was happy to see Fort Meade in my rear-view mirror upon escaping in 1995.

71Fish
05-15-2013, 12:28 AM
I got an LOR as a MSgt because some of the colors on the slides that came out of my office were wrong. I'm colorblind, so not a good person to proof a colored slide. The guy who gave it was a real (and still is I assume) douchebag, I wasn't trying to make rank and didn't care much about my EPR, so I was going to write a real smartass rebuttal. I thought better and went ahead and wrote a "proper" rebuttal. Not so much WTF trouble, but more WGAS trouble.

KellyinAvon
05-15-2013, 12:58 AM
Yeah....during my three-year sentence at NSA. Had been given a very nebulous thing to work on. Never was able to get enough elaboration on it, so got some folks together, did what I could. Briefed my part of it to some assembled group chiefs and our AF two-star resident in the building. Some no-good son-of-a-bitch who was a group chief started giving me a bunch of crap about our work. As much as I wanted to cold-cock the swine, I stayed professional in my reactions, but it was definitely a WTF moment. Afterward the two-star somewhat apologized offline for the asshole's behavior. Am sure the group chief in question has retired. Hopefully he either has died, is dying, or will die slowly and in agony. Just another reason why I was happy to see Fort Meade in my rear-view mirror upon escaping in 1995.
Don't sugar-coat it Otis, how do you really feel about it??:biggrin

LogDog
05-15-2013, 01:23 AM
I got an LOR as a MSgt because some of the colors on the slides that came out of my office were wrong. I'm colorblind, so not a good person to proof a colored slide. The guy who gave it was a real (and still is I assume) douchebag, I wasn't trying to make rank and didn't care much about my EPR, so I was going to write a real smartass rebuttal. I thought better and went ahead and wrote a "proper" rebuttal. Not so much WTF trouble, but more WGAS trouble.
I have color vision problems as well and sometimes if no one is around to ask what that color is I just do the best I can. For laughs you should have included in your rebuttal that your rights under the Americans With Disabilities Act were being violated. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-021.gif

OtisRNeedleman
05-15-2013, 05:04 AM
I got an LOR as a MSgt because some of the colors on the slides that came out of my office were wrong. I'm colorblind, so not a good person to proof a colored slide. The guy who gave it was a real (and still is I assume) douchebag, I wasn't trying to make rank and didn't care much about my EPR, so I was going to write a real smartass rebuttal. I thought better and went ahead and wrote a "proper" rebuttal. Not so much WTF trouble, but more WGAS trouble.

What goes around always comes around. He'll be paid back, with interest.

OtisRNeedleman
05-15-2013, 05:09 AM
Don't sugar-coat it Otis, how do you really feel about it??:biggrin

I remember when the first RIFs hit that place in the 90s. You'd hear ambulances coming up to the building, probably to haul away some lazy-assed civilian whose iron rice bowl was broken due to the RIF. I'd laugh to myself. You could have reduced headcount there by 50% and never miss a beat.

Slyoldawg
05-15-2013, 05:55 AM
"But when you look at what's being done in American and Japanese industry, you find that oftentimes the very same things that cause you to become more cost effective can also save you money." -- George T. Babbitt, General, USAF, AFMC/CC, 26 Jun 1997

Your quote reminded of seeing the news that General George T Babbitt was the 17 year old drummer on the Ventures first record, Walk Don't Run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLi_hBLy3A, Walk Don't Run with General George Babbitt

imported_chipotleboy
05-15-2013, 12:56 PM
Your quote reminded of seeing the news that General George T Babbitt was the 17 year old drummer on the Ventures first record, Walk Don't Run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLi_hBLy3A, Walk Don't Run with General George Babbitt

I got that quote from the McClellan AFB newspaper ("The Spacemaker", or as we called it "The Spacewaster") from when he came through on an orientation tour. I seriously think it was a misquote by the public affairs person who wrote the article. Babbitt had to leave The Ventures before they went on tour because he was too young to play in most of the venues because they served alcohol. Charlie Sexton had the same issue when he played with Stevie Ray Vaughn in Austin--he was only 15 or 16 at the time, so they extended part of the stage into the kitchen and had Charlie play there since underage folks were allowed to work in the kitchen.

imported_chipotleboy
05-15-2013, 12:57 PM
I got an LOR as a MSgt because some of the colors on the slides that came out of my office were wrong. I'm colorblind, so not a good person to proof a colored slide. The guy who gave it was a real (and still is I assume) douchebag, I wasn't trying to make rank and didn't care much about my EPR, so I was going to write a real smartass rebuttal. I thought better and went ahead and wrote a "proper" rebuttal. Not so much WTF trouble, but more WGAS trouble.

I suspect we once had the same commander.

technomage1
05-21-2013, 08:43 PM
Got another one. Got counseled to stay late to work since it was perceived that I worked less than others. I come in early, work through lunch, don't flap my mouth with useless conversation, and manage more than most.

So I'm being punished for being a good time manager.

71Fish
05-21-2013, 08:59 PM
Got another one. Got counseled to stay late to work since it was perceived that I worked less than others. I come in early, work through lunch, don't flap my mouth with useless conversation, and manage more than most.

So I'm being punished for being a good time manager.

I too am one of those who come in early, manage my time wisely and leave on time, or in some people's minds, leave early. The problem is, "they" only see who stays late, not who comes in early. There was a thread on this.

FuelShopTech
05-22-2013, 12:38 AM
It was my LAST day in my shop before a PCS.

My dickhead shop chief called me into the office to inform me I'd be getting paperwork because of the trucks. Apparently, he had gone outside and documented every ding, scratch, and minor dent in our four vehicles. He decided, since I had checked the trucks that morning, that it was my fault the imperfections in question weren't on the waiver card. Of course, these dents/dings/scratches had pre-dated my arrival in the shop, and no one had given a fuck about any of it until then.

Did I mention it was my very LAST day?

A TSgt eventually talked him out of it, but still, fuck that guy. A few months after I got to my new base, I got an e-mail that said shop chief was going to jail for kiddie porn. Karma's a bitch.

coloringoutsidethelines
05-22-2013, 02:41 AM
Had a severely overweight profile warrior captain give me a LOC and rant about the importance of attending group pt because I missed a pt session. At the time I was TDY about three states over. Had fun with my rebuttal saying maybe if I had a teleporter it would have been possible or my own jet

RobotChicken
05-22-2013, 05:50 AM
Got another one. Got counseled to stay late to work since it was perceived that I worked less than others. I come in early, work through lunch, don't flap my mouth with useless conversation, and manage more than most.

So I'm being punished for being a good time manager.
:frusty YEA...don't smoke an joke, visit with everyone, keep it short an done, don't spend half the shift 'brown nose'in', and you get stuck with everyone else work! :laser (glad too hear somethings never change) :frusty