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jondstewart
04-15-2013, 09:01 PM
1. AB-SrA are at the same time frames someone gets promoted, unless in trouble or Article 15'd. SSgt can be made at 4, 5, and 6 years, with 5 being the norm. If not SSgt at 6 years for the board, discharge mandatory in 1 year. TSgt can be made at 9, 10, and 11 years with 10 being the norm. If not a TSgt at 11 years, discharge by 15 years with the option of a small monthly retirement depending on how long served or lump sum. Once you make TSgt, you may serve a full 20 if you don't make the board for MSgt. MSgt can be made at 14, 15, and 16 years with 15 being the norm. They may serve up to 24 years. SMSgt and CMSgt are all a matter of if you have your CCAF, at least one MSM medal, and Wing CC approval and above. The basis for making rank will depend on performance work statements and training requirements completed, not so-called EPR's. Supervisors will be required to do face to face feedback with their troops to tell them where they stand, strengths and improvements. If the supervisor did not do a face to face feedback and gives the troop an unsatisfactory rating, they will get reamed for laziness or cowardice by their commander and the troop awarded the next rank at the latest time allowed.

2. PT testing is done once a year, the mile and a half run as a group. Before the test, a physical is required by a physician to assure their supervisor they are in shape for it, to assure no passing out or death occurs. It is the responsibility of the Airman to go to the gym and exercise as needed; supervisors and commanders don't need to babysit and have them sign in 2-3 times a week. If the mile and a half is failed, they may retest within a month. If it's failed the second time, the commander may take a stripe from them for up to a year. If they retest after a year and pass, stripe is given back. If it's not passed, discharge within a month, or disability with approval from physician.

3. Weight limits and body fat are aside from the PT test. Keep the maxes the way they were back in the 1990's and before, but also take into account that most black and Hispanic women will not have the ruler body that is so desired by Air Force leaders for women.

4. EPR's are abolished permanently. As stated in #1, your promotion will depend on your supervisor's assessment of you over a period of at least 2-3 years to see if you're ready and where you are on training. And there will be random questions asked and tasks to perform to make sure the training records were not just pencil-whipped.

5. First Sgt's will be E8 only, like the Army. Not an E7 that has limited authority and walked all over by young officers or Chief's. They will be screened for leadership qualities and personality traits by higher-uppers to see if they fit the bill. Low-key and abrasive personalities will not fit the bill!

6. Deployment will be mandatory for all personnel for no more and no less than 4 months a year, unless we're no longer at war. No more of these so-called joint deployments with the Army for 6 months or a year long on FOB's; their cultures and ways have too many differences. And those troops that are in "non-deployable" career fields, put them in a deployable position to where they can serve as drivers or escorts. No jobs "outside the wire" unless they're EOD or have jobs that require combat skills. If you want combat skills and going outside the wire, then join the Army or Marines!

7. If somebody is on profile and can't deploy or do PT, discharge their ass with a disability pension if it's more than a year!

8. Every person within 6 months to a year of discharge or retirement will be required to go through the civilian transition class so they can support themselves and get a decent job in the civilian world. Don't make it an option

9. PME needs to be eliminated completely. Supervisors need to mentor troops fixing to be NCO's or Senior NCO's to make sure they're ready, not force-fed how to do counseling or write performance appraisals

10. Bring back alcohol possession in dorms, as long as the troops are at least 21. Every troop 21 or older will have their own room and not room with someone younger.

11. Medals will be truly earned and will NOT be given to those that just did their 3-4 years at a base or deployment doing a mediocre job. And no commander will be a stingy hard-ass that refuses to give out medals to 90% of people

Okay, I'm getting tired and can't think of anything else.................

Tak
04-15-2013, 09:02 PM
No wayyyy I'm reading all that shyte, thanks for dedication though

jondstewart
04-15-2013, 09:19 PM
I forgot to add: make 19, 20, and 21 years the time to make SMSgt and 24, 25, and 26 years the time to make CMSgt. Seniors may serve up to 28 and Chiefs up to 30.

I keep this in mind, being there are booksmarts in the Air Force that don't know jack from shit on doing their job, and then again there are people that are good workers and know their jobs, but don't test well

sandsjames
04-15-2013, 09:31 PM
8. Every person within 6 months to a year of discharge or retirement will be required to go through the civilian transition class so they can support themselves and get a decent job in the civilian world. Don't make it an option



It is mandatory. And I think it's comical that you think it actually helps get a decent job.

jondstewart
04-15-2013, 10:30 PM
It is mandatory. And I think it's comical that you think it actually helps get a decent job.

Well yes, I say it did. I was a Services troop my 21 years in and have held jobs as a Wage Grade cook for BLM in the summer, a North Slope chef/baker for a year, and a Services Technician at radar sites all over Alaska doing cooking, logistics, and weather observation since I retired. And my job now with about 8 months or more of work throughout the year pays more than I made when I retired

But yes, a lot of people that had very successful careers can't find a good job to save their life when they retire. Which is why many opt to just simply go to school full time the next 4 years

Airborne
04-16-2013, 01:45 AM
Your time in grade and deployment schedules are unrealistic. Remember, the air force is way bigger than your community. Also we pencil whip the PHA, why now does a physician need to clear us to PT?

OtisRNeedleman
04-16-2013, 04:44 AM
Some observations...

1. Agree the deployment schedules are unrealistic. Why would we want Korean and Chinese linguists, for example, to deploy to the sand box? That would be fraud, waste, and abuse.

2. EPRs are important if they would be done right and not just be a statement of PT results, volunteer activities, and walking on water.

3. PME is important to help ensure every NCO/SNCO not just learns certain things, but also gets to meet with people outside his/her own career field.

4. I totally agree with you re the PT test and body fat.

5. Agree with you re alcohol in the dorms and the single rooms for 21 and over.

6. Disagree with you about shirts being E-8s. The best first shirt I ever had was an E-7. I assure you nobody walked over him. Maybe my AF was different than yours, but I knew of very few first shirts who didn't command respect.

CrustySMSgt
04-16-2013, 06:53 AM
I can't wait to retire... y'all obviously get to smoke the good stuff!

FLAPS
04-16-2013, 10:36 AM
1. EPRs ARE the "performance work statement." Also, face-to-face feedback should be mandatory? But wait, deployments split up the member and supervisor. According to your para 6, EVERYONE deploys. Face-to-face not always possible.

2. Actual physical for EVERYONE prior to the PT test? I have to wait up to 3-4 weeks just to see my PCM, but according to you we'll have physicians available to give everyone a quickie physical? Oh yeah, we can hire more doctors...and we can have them standing by at the FAC to provide quickie exams. That will have little effect on the already skyrocketing healthcare costs!

3. agree

4. A supervisor's assessment goes on a little piece of paper called the EPR. Also, the supervisor will have 2-3 years to assess someone? When I was enlisted I never had a supervisor for more than 6 months. Besides, in your world EVERYONE is deployed (see your para 6). I suppose my supervisor and I will always deploy together?

5. Let me know where you are going to find enough E8s to fill ALL First Shirt positions. Wait, let me know where you will find even HALF of the E-8s needed for these positions who won't be disgruntled because they were non-vol'd. Also, E-8s will want to be Shirts because it's EASY to make Chief when you're a Shirt, right? Didn't think so...

6. Everyone deploys or else? Ok, we better let those ICBM missileers out in Wyoming know about this new rule. Shall they take their missiles with them to the sandbox?


7. That missileer I mentioned is on a profile and can't deploy. He has no problems sitting in a comfy chair though. Shall we kick him out?

8. I went through the MANDATORY transition class. Still looking for that "decent" job. Maybe if they promised me a "decent" job, then I'd have one. I'll admit though, they never promised me one. We should make promises mandatory.

9. No PME? How can SNCOs mentor if they never learned the basics? You mean, being an AF supervisor should just be about the AFSC duties, not a military profession that encompasses much more?

10. agree

11. agree

12. Don't agree with mandatory wait times for people to get promoted, and we already have enough silly rules that hold talented people back. The best Chief I worked for made Chief at 15 years (weapons loader). I know, he's the exception, but still. Civilian companies that DO WELL promote their performers to key positions when the time is right, not after some arbitrary, seniority based wait period. Save that for the unions! They aren't going to tell one of their most talented new guys out of college that he/she must "put in their 15 years" before being placed into a higher position.

sandsjames
04-16-2013, 03:34 PM
Well yes, I say it did. I was a Services troop my 21 years in and have held jobs as a Wage Grade cook for BLM in the summer, a North Slope chef/baker for a year, and a Services Technician at radar sites all over Alaska doing cooking, logistics, and weather observation since I retired. And my job now with about 8 months or more of work throughout the year pays more than I made when I retired

But yes, a lot of people that had very successful careers can't find a good job to save their life when they retire. Which is why many opt to just simply go to school full time the next 4 years

Please explain to me that TAP helped at all with this? It's not about TAP, it's about people taking the initiative to prepare themselves. But in today's society people are unable to do things without government intervention, so I see your point.

ConfusedAirman
04-16-2013, 03:48 PM
Certain threads beg for the return of reputation. Negative for the OP. Positive for responses from FLAPS and sandsjames.

Pullinteeth
04-16-2013, 04:09 PM
1. AB-SrA are at the same time frames someone gets promoted, unless in trouble or Article 15'd. SSgt can be made at 4, 5, and 6 years, with 5 being the norm. If not SSgt at 6 years for the board, discharge mandatory in 1 year. TSgt can be made at 9, 10, and 11 years with 10 being the norm. If not a TSgt at 11 years, discharge by 15 years with the option of a small monthly retirement depending on how long served or lump sum. Once you make TSgt, you may serve a full 20 if you don't make the board for MSgt. MSgt can be made at 14, 15, and 16 years with 15 being the norm. They may serve up to 24 years. SMSgt and CMSgt are all a matter of if you have your CCAF, at least one MSM medal, and Wing CC approval and above. The basis for making rank will depend on performance work statements and training requirements completed, not so-called EPR's. Supervisors will be required to do face to face feedback with their troops to tell them where they stand, strengths and improvements. If the supervisor did not do a face to face feedback and gives the troop an unsatisfactory rating, they will get reamed for laziness or cowardice by their commander and the troop awarded the next rank at the latest time allowed.

I take it you don't read what you write before you post because this makes no sense. "AB-SrA are at the same time frames someone gets promoted" WTH does THAT mean? How often does someone get an Art 15 without getting into trouble? Does that mean that no matter how much college you have, how long you enlist for, or what job you go into you come in as an AB? So you want everyone that went to college or wants a hard to fill job to join another branch? You want to eliminate EPRs but base promotion almost entirely upon the supervisor's opinion of their subordinate? What if the supervisor PCS' right before the Airman is eligible for promotion? Does that mean they can't get promoted? What if they don't have a supervisor for long enough to get your new rating (2-3 years with one supervisor is a long time-In my career I have only had the same supervisor for 2 years one time...).


2. PT testing is done once a year, the mile and a half run as a group. Before the test, a physical is required by a physician to assure their supervisor they are in shape for it, to assure no passing out or death occurs. It is the responsibility of the Airman to go to the gym and exercise as needed; supervisors and commanders don't need to babysit and have them sign in 2-3 times a week. If the mile and a half is failed, they may retest within a month. If it's failed the second time, the commander may take a stripe from them for up to a year. If they retest after a year and pass, stripe is given back. If it's not passed, discharge within a month, or disability with approval from physician.

How could you fail the mile and a half if you are required to run it as a group? According to this, that is the only thing tested and if it is as a group, if one fails, all fail so you would have to either keep everyone or kick everyone out...doesn't make ANY sense.


3. Weight limits and body fat are aside from the PT test. Keep the maxes the way they were back in the 1990's and before, but also take into account that most black and Hispanic women will not have the ruler body that is so desired by Air Force leaders for women.

So now you want to add race as a component to weight and body fat but only for females? Sounds like you are both racist AND sexist...


4. EPR's are abolished permanently. As stated in #1, your promotion will depend on your supervisor's assessment of you over a period of at least 2-3 years to see if you're ready and where you are on training. And there will be random questions asked and tasks to perform to make sure the training records were not just pencil-whipped.

See above....I would have had one assessment over an 18 year career and would now be what? An A1C? Random questions and task performance? Sounds great in theory but what about those in a 1-deep shop? Are you going to hire someone for every AFSC on every base to administer these task oriented tests? Isn't that what the SKT portion of the current testing system is for?


5. First Sgt's will be E8 only, like the Army. Not an E7 that has limited authority and walked all over by young officers or Chief's. They will be screened for leadership qualities and personality traits by higher-uppers to see if they fit the bill. Low-key and abrasive personalities will not fit the bill!

Ha, ha, ha, ha....it is hard enough to find a E-7 that wants the diamond...now you only want to allow E-8s to have it? I suppose you will promote more people to E-8? Oh wait, you can't...Congress capped the percentage...


6. Deployment will be mandatory for all personnel for no more and no less than 4 months a year, unless we're no longer at war. No more of these so-called joint deployments with the Army for 6 months or a year long on FOB's; their cultures and ways have too many differences. And those troops that are in "non-deployable" career fields, put them in a deployable position to where they can serve as drivers or escorts. No jobs "outside the wire" unless they're EOD or have jobs that require combat skills. If you want combat skills and going outside the wire, then join the Army or Marines!

So you want to deploy everyone 'eh? Is there much call for a Recruiter out there? How about the CMSAF? CSAF? How about a Physicist? Chemist? Their jobs be damned....if they don't deploy, they get the boot.... Yeah, lets pay a physicist to drive a convoy.... Lets also limit every Airman that isn't a Cop or EOD to the base....who cares if no one outside the base gets paid, who cares if they can't see a doctor, dentist or chaplain....


7. If somebody is on profile and can't deploy or do PT, discharge their ass with a disability pension if it's more than a year!

So if you have a Neurologist that can't deploy because they have a bum knee, kick 'em out...nevermind that we spent thousands of dollars to send them to school. Pilot that can't run? Kick 'em out.... Give 'em all disability? Even if they aren't qualified for disability?


8. Every person within 6 months to a year of discharge or retirement will be required to go through the civilian transition class so they can support themselves and get a decent job in the civilian world. Don't make it an option

They already are and unless you are retiring or going Civil Service, it is a waste of time...though you do get out of work for 3 days...


9. PME needs to be eliminated completely. Supervisors need to mentor troops fixing to be NCO's or Senior NCO's to make sure they're ready, not force-fed how to do counseling or write performance appraisals

So you would eliminate BMT, OTS, ALS, SOS, NCOA, SNCOA, Air War College....etc....etc...etc.... What are we a Frat?


10. Bring back alcohol possession in dorms, as long as the troops are at least 21. Every troop 21 or older will have their own room and not room with someone younger.

It never went away...some base Commanders have limited/eliminated it because people can't behave but it isn't an AF rule...


11. Medals will be truly earned and will NOT be given to those that just did their 3-4 years at a base or deployment doing a mediocre job. And no commander will be a stingy hard-ass that refuses to give out medals to 90% of people

So...only those that earn it as long as it is more than 10%....got it.

Pullinteeth
04-16-2013, 04:12 PM
Certain threads beg for the return of reputation. Negative for the OP. Positive for responses from FLAPS and sandsjames.

Amen....I actually miss it...There were some AWESOME posts yesterday....laughed my @$$ off...

Sergeant eNYgma
04-16-2013, 04:12 PM
1. EPRs ARE the "performance work statement." Also, face-to-face feedback should be mandatory? But wait, deployments split up the member and supervisor. According to your para 6, EVERYONE deploys. Face-to-face not always possible.

2. Actual physical for EVERYONE prior to the PT test? I have to wait up to 3-4 weeks just to see my PCM, but according to you we'll have physicians available to give everyone a quickie physical? Oh yeah, we can hire more doctors...and we can have them standing by at the FAC to provide quickie exams. That will have little effect on the already skyrocketing healthcare costs!

3. agree

4. A supervisor's assessment goes on a little piece of paper called the EPR. Also, the supervisor will have 2-3 years to assess someone? When I was enlisted I never had a supervisor for more than 6 months. Besides, in your world EVERYONE is deployed (see your para 6). I suppose my supervisor and I will always deploy together?

5. Let me know where you are going to find enough E8s to fill ALL First Shirt positions. Wait, let me know where you will find even HALF of the E-8s needed for these positions who won't be disgruntled because they were non-vol'd. Also, E-8s will want to be Shirts because it's EASY to make Chief when you're a Shirt, right? Didn't think so...

6. Everyone deploys or else? Ok, we better let those ICBM missileers out in Wyoming know about this new rule. Shall they take their missiles with them to the sandbox?


7. That missileer I mentioned is on a profile and can't deploy. He has no problems sitting in a comfy chair though. Shall we kick him out?

8. I went through the MANDATORY transition class. Still looking for that "decent" job. Maybe if they promised me a "decent" job, then I'd have one. I'll admit though, they never promised me one. We should make promises mandatory.

9. No PME? How can SNCOs mentor if they never learned the basics? You mean, being an AF supervisor should just be about the AFSC duties, not a military profession that encompasses much more?

10. agree

11. agree

12. Don't agree with mandatory wait times for people to get promoted, and we already have enough silly rules that hold talented people back. The best Chief I worked for made Chief at 15 years (weapons loader). I know, he's the exception, but still. Civilian companies that DO WELL promote their performers to key positions when the time is right, not after some arbitrary, seniority based wait period. Save that for the unions! They aren't going to tell one of their most talented new guys out of college that he/she must "put in their 15 years" before being placed into a higher position.

Kick ass post, where the hell is that rep when I need it?

F4CrewChick
04-16-2013, 09:39 PM
1. AB-SrA are at the same time frames someone gets promoted, unless in trouble or Article 15'd. SSgt can be made at 4, 5, and 6 years, with 5 being the norm. If not SSgt at 6 years for the board, discharge mandatory in 1 year. TSgt can be made at 9, 10, and 11 years with 10 being the norm. If not a TSgt at 11 years, discharge by 15 years with the option of a small monthly retirement depending on how long served or lump sum. Once you make TSgt, you may serve a full 20 if you don't make the board for MSgt. MSgt can be made at 14, 15, and 16 years with 15 being the norm. They may serve up to 24 years. SMSgt and CMSgt are all a matter of if you have your CCAF, at least one MSM medal, and Wing CC approval and above. The basis for making rank will depend on performance work statements and training requirements completed, not so-called EPR's. Supervisors will be required to do face to face feedback with their troops to tell them where they stand, strengths and improvements. If the supervisor did not do a face to face feedback and gives the troop an unsatisfactory rating, they will get reamed for laziness or cowardice by their commander and the troop awarded the next rank at the latest time allowed.

2. PT testing is done once a year, the mile and a half run as a group. Before the test, a physical is required by a physician to assure their supervisor they are in shape for it, to assure no passing out or death occurs. It is the responsibility of the Airman to go to the gym and exercise as needed; supervisors and commanders don't need to babysit and have them sign in 2-3 times a week. If the mile and a half is failed, they may retest within a month. If it's failed the second time, the commander may take a stripe from them for up to a year. If they retest after a year and pass, stripe is given back. If it's not passed, discharge within a month, or disability with approval from physician.

3. Weight limits and body fat are aside from the PT test. Keep the maxes the way they were back in the 1990's and before, but also take into account that most black and Hispanic women will not have the ruler body that is so desired by Air Force leaders for women.

4. EPR's are abolished permanently. As stated in #1, your promotion will depend on your supervisor's assessment of you over a period of at least 2-3 years to see if you're ready and where you are on training. And there will be random questions asked and tasks to perform to make sure the training records were not just pencil-whipped.

5. First Sgt's will be E8 only, like the Army. Not an E7 that has limited authority and walked all over by young officers or Chief's. They will be screened for leadership qualities and personality traits by higher-uppers to see if they fit the bill. Low-key and abrasive personalities will not fit the bill!

6. Deployment will be mandatory for all personnel for no more and no less than 4 months a year, unless we're no longer at war. No more of these so-called joint deployments with the Army for 6 months or a year long on FOB's; their cultures and ways have too many differences. And those troops that are in "non-deployable" career fields, put them in a deployable position to where they can serve as drivers or escorts. No jobs "outside the wire" unless they're EOD or have jobs that require combat skills. If you want combat skills and going outside the wire, then join the Army or Marines!

7. If somebody is on profile and can't deploy or do PT, discharge their ass with a disability pension if it's more than a year!

8. Every person within 6 months to a year of discharge or retirement will be required to go through the civilian transition class so they can support themselves and get a decent job in the civilian world. Don't make it an option

9. PME needs to be eliminated completely. Supervisors need to mentor troops fixing to be NCO's or Senior NCO's to make sure they're ready, not force-fed how to do counseling or write performance appraisals

10. Bring back alcohol possession in dorms, as long as the troops are at least 21. Every troop 21 or older will have their own room and not room with someone younger.

11. Medals will be truly earned and will NOT be given to those that just did their 3-4 years at a base or deployment doing a mediocre job. And no commander will be a stingy hard-ass that refuses to give out medals to 90% of people

Okay, I'm getting tired and can't think of anything else.................Got several things right, a few very wrong and you have no logistics for any of it. Other than that, good post.

Kicker47
04-16-2013, 09:50 PM
6. Everyone deploys or else? Ok, we better let those ICBM missileers out in Wyoming know about this new rule. Shall they take their missiles with them to the sandbox?



Thank you...Us nuke guys hear this crap all the time. Makes it damn near impossible to be competitive for awards/SRE/Strat when assigned to a non-nuke unit. "What? You've never deployed? You must be a dirtbag..."

DWWSWWD
04-16-2013, 10:21 PM
I was going to wait until the very end of the duty day but it's close enough to declare you a winner. This is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Tak
04-16-2013, 11:03 PM
I was going to wait until the very end of the duty day but it's close enough to declare you a winner. This is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Motion is carried.
Although I've not read any post in this thread.

PortDawg2T2
04-17-2013, 03:16 AM
Why lament about "what could have been" after retirement. What does it serve? Is it cathartic for you? If you were serious about the career you would have tried to affect a change while still employed by the AF. I've seen nothing positive from you because in other posts, you badmouth those that achieved more than you did. Then you come here and criticize the mess that you left. This is exactly what people do when they are jealous. You're jealous of those that did more than you and jealous of those under you that will achieve more. Where were you several years ago when "we" needed you? Why do you now criticize the Air Force when you had a chance to make a change?

Tell me, when was the last time that an armchair quarterback won the game?

Tak
04-17-2013, 03:20 AM
Why lament about "what could have been" after retirement. What does it serve? Is it cathartic for you? If you were serious about the career you would have tried to affect a change while still employed by the AF. I've seen nothing positive from you because in other posts, you badmouth those that achieved more than you did. Then you come here and criticize the mess that you left. This is exactly what people do when they are jealous. You're jealous of those that did more than you and jealous of those under you that will achieve more. Where were you several years ago when "we" needed you? Why do you now criticize the Air Force when you had a chance to make a change?

Tell me, when was the last time that an armchair quarterback won the game?

God via Tebo

Tak
04-17-2013, 03:23 AM
Why lament about "what could have been" after retirement. What does it serve? Is it cathartic for you? If you were serious about the career you would have tried to affect a change while still employed by the AF. I've seen nothing positive from you because in other posts, you badmouth those that achieved more than you did. Then you come here and criticize the mess that you left. This is exactly what people do when they are jealous. You're jealous of those that did more than you and jealous of those under you that will achieve more. Where were you several years ago when "we" needed you? Why do you now criticize the Air Force when you had a chance to make a change?

Tell me, when was the last time that an armchair quarterback won the game?

God via Tebow

PortDawg2T2
04-17-2013, 03:27 AM
God via Tebow

I just choked on my beer. Thanks for that...

CrustySMSgt
04-17-2013, 08:17 AM
damn... we've been bitching to get rid of reputation for years, it goes away and days later this thread appears, a prime example of the benefits of being able to give positive and negative feedback!

I'm going to go start a petition to have the president bring back rep!

Rainmaker
04-18-2013, 03:56 PM
1. AB-SrA are at the same time frames someone gets promoted, unless in trouble or Article 15'd. SSgt can be made at 4, 5, and 6 years, with 5 being the norm. If not SSgt at 6 years for the board, discharge mandatory in 1 year. TSgt can be made at 9, 10, and 11 years with 10 being the norm. If not a TSgt at 11 years, discharge by 15 years with the option of a small monthly retirement depending on how long served or lump sum. Once you make TSgt, you may serve a full 20 if you don't make the board for MSgt. MSgt can be made at 14, 15, and 16 years with 15 being the norm. They may serve up to 24 years. SMSgt and CMSgt are all a matter of if you have your CCAF, at least one MSM medal, and Wing CC approval and above. The basis for making rank will depend on performance work statements and training requirements completed, not so-called EPR's. Supervisors will be required to do face to face feedback with their troops to tell them where they stand, strengths and improvements. If the supervisor did not do a face to face feedback and gives the troop an unsatisfactory rating, they will get reamed for laziness or cowardice by their commander and the troop awarded the next rank at the latest time allowed.

2. PT testing is done once a year, the mile and a half run as a group. Before the test, a physical is required by a physician to assure their supervisor they are in shape for it, to assure no passing out or death occurs. It is the responsibility of the Airman to go to the gym and exercise as needed; supervisors and commanders don't need to babysit and have them sign in 2-3 times a week. If the mile and a half is failed, they may retest within a month. If it's failed the second time, the commander may take a stripe from them for up to a year. If they retest after a year and pass, stripe is given back. If it's not passed, discharge within a month, or disability with approval from physician.

3. Weight limits and body fat are aside from the PT test. Keep the maxes the way they were back in the 1990's and before, but also take into account that most black and Hispanic women will not have the ruler body that is so desired by Air Force leaders for women.

4. EPR's are abolished permanently. As stated in #1, your promotion will depend on your supervisor's assessment of you over a period of at least 2-3 years to see if you're ready and where you are on training. And there will be random questions asked and tasks to perform to make sure the training records were not just pencil-whipped.

5. First Sgt's will be E8 only, like the Army. Not an E7 that has limited authority and walked all over by young officers or Chief's. They will be screened for leadership qualities and personality traits by higher-uppers to see if they fit the bill. Low-key and abrasive personalities will not fit the bill!

6. Deployment will be mandatory for all personnel for no more and no less than 4 months a year, unless we're no longer at war. No more of these so-called joint deployments with the Army for 6 months or a year long on FOB's; their cultures and ways have too many differences. And those troops that are in "non-deployable" career fields, put them in a deployable position to where they can serve as drivers or escorts. No jobs "outside the wire" unless they're EOD or have jobs that require combat skills. If you want combat skills and going outside the wire, then join the Army or Marines!

7. If somebody is on profile and can't deploy or do PT, discharge their ass with a disability pension if it's more than a year!

8. Every person within 6 months to a year of discharge or retirement will be required to go through the civilian transition class so they can support themselves and get a decent job in the civilian world. Don't make it an option

9. PME needs to be eliminated completely. Supervisors need to mentor troops fixing to be NCO's or Senior NCO's to make sure they're ready, not force-fed how to do counseling or write performance appraisals

10. Bring back alcohol possession in dorms, as long as the troops are at least 21. Every troop 21 or older will have their own room and not room with someone younger.

11. Medals will be truly earned and will NOT be given to those that just did their 3-4 years at a base or deployment doing a mediocre job. And no commander will be a stingy hard-ass that refuses to give out medals to 90% of people

Okay, I'm getting tired and can't think of anything else.................

Das Raciss.

Tak
04-18-2013, 04:07 PM
Das Raciss.

True, they are not failing in mass amounts, but
Are great to look at in tight blues or Abu t-shirts.

jondstewart
04-20-2013, 05:37 AM
Das Raciss.

Um no, just telling it like it is for the most part. Screw political correctness. And I'm married to a busty Mexican woman I love with my life!

I have no problem lamenting on "what could have been" or feeling sorry for myself on past failures, which I am not. I like to sit back and reflect on past experiences, since I am a Cancer and a sensitive bastard at that! It's just my experience over the years from what I saw didn't seem like a lot of fairness (as if the real world is any better, NOT). Why have someone that knows their crap be a 16 year SSgt or 22 year TSgt because they don't test well or have a higher-uppers that dislike them and have a 16 year Chief that made it that fast and rarely if ever did their career field over the years because they spent so much time getting pooh pooh on their nose? That's why we need boards like officers. 3 shots to make the rank, with more than half making it the second shot.

FLAPS
04-20-2013, 12:30 PM
That's why we need boards like officers. 3 shots to make the rank, with more than half making it the second shot.

It's not really three REASONABLE shots to make officer rank (Maj-Col)

BTZ- 2% chance
Primary Board (in-the-zone)- 75% to 93%
Above The Zone- .2% chance

If you don't make rank on your primary board, then you're career is pretty much over.

Tak
04-20-2013, 01:48 PM
It's not really three REASONABLE shots to make officer rank (Maj-Col)

BTZ- 2% chance
Primary Board (in-the-zone)- 75% to 93%
Above The Zone- .2% chance

If you don't make rank on your primary board, then you're career is pretty much over.

Wow, do you realize how high 75-93 is?

FLAPS
04-20-2013, 02:29 PM
Wow, do you realize how high 75-93 is?

Yes, but that's because there's a much lower population to fill a higher number of billets.

Tak
04-20-2013, 02:50 PM
Yes, but that's because there's a much lower population to fill a higher number of billets.

I may not be a smart man Jenny, but I know what bs is.

FLAPS
04-20-2013, 02:59 PM
I may not be a smart man Jenny, but I know what bs is.

Why do you think the rate is that high? It's not for good will.

Tak
04-20-2013, 03:02 PM
Officers

The Air Force dialed back promotion rates for midcareer officers in 2010, making it a little more difficult for captains and majors to move up. So far, there are no plans to tinker with the promotion rates that were in place in 2011.

• Captain: First lieutenants vying for promotion to captain had a 95 percent promotion rate in 2011, the first year that they faced a central selection board. The same is expected this year, when the board meets July 16-27. Before 2011, the selection rate had been almost 100 percent.

• Major: Moving up to major has become a little tougher. About 90 percent of eligible captains are expected to be promoted in 2012. That rate matches 2011 and 2010; before that, it was 95 percent.

Promotion boards will convene through the second half of 2012, beginning in July.

• Lieutenant colonel: Not much is expected to change for majors, who will continue to see an 85 percent promotion rate to lieutenant colonel. The rate has been in place since 2002.

Boards for promotion to lieutenant colonel meet throughout the year, beginning in March.

• Colonel: About 55 percent of eligible lieutenant colonels are expected to be selected for promotion to colonel in 2012, the same rate that has been in place since 2000.

Tak
04-20-2013, 03:11 PM
Enlisted airmen

Despite the economic uncertainty and measures to cut the force, most airmen saw an increase in their promotion rates in 2011. Even as the Air Force shrinks its pool of airmen who are eligible for promotion, those who remain are getting a better shot at moving up.

• Staff sergeant: Senior airmen are the first to compete for promotion under the Weighted Airmen Promotion System, and they are the only airmen who saw a decrease in promotion rates in 2011.

For the past two years, promotion rates to staff sergeant — the enlisted rank with the highest number of airmen who compete for promotion — have dropped. The rates reached a six-year high of 50 percent in 2009, but dropped to 47.4 percent in 2010 and 42.7 percent in 2011.

The staff sergeant ranks also are feeling the squeeze from the new high-year tenure rules that will affect them in 2013, limiting their time in service to 15 years unless they get promoted.

Testing dates for promotion to E-5 are May 1 through June 12.

• Technical sergeant: The promotion rate to E-6 rose from 20.85 percent in 2010 to 24.94 percent in 2011, according to information provided by the Air Force. That means out of 34,257 eligible airmen, 8,544 were promoted last year, up from 7,752 in 2010.

The new high-year tenure rules also shorten the amount of time an airman can serve as a tech sergeant: Beginning in 2013, E-6s must get promoted by the time they have served 20 years, or leave the service.

Testing for promotion to technical sergeant started Feb. 1 and wraps up March 31.

• Master sergeant: The biggest increase in promotion rates in 2011 was for tech sergeants promoting to master sergeant, whose rate rocketed from 24.9 percent in 2010 to 33.87 percent in 2011. Out of 19,538 eligible airmen, 6,618 were promoted.

Testing dates for promotion to E-7 also began Feb. 1.

• Senior master sergeant: Master sergeants looking to move up should find out sometime in March: Their boards began Jan. 30 and last until Feb. 17.

If the past three years are any indication, the promotion rate will be around 10 percent. The promotion rate was almost 11 percent in 2009, but a year later dipped to 9.24 percent. Last year, 1,274 of the 12,378 master sergeants eligible for promotion were selected to move up — a promotion rate of 10.2 percent.

• Chief master sergeant: It could be a long year for senior master sergeants looking to move up. Their boards won't meet until Oct. 15; the results are expected out in November.

The rates for E-9 have held steady for the past couple of years. In 2011, the promotion rate to chief master sergeant was 22 percent, about the same as 2010. Of the 2,201 eligible to move up to E-9 last year, 487 were selected.

Rainmaker
04-20-2013, 04:23 PM
Um no, just telling it like it is for the most part. Screw political correctness. And I'm married to a busty Mexican woman I love with my life!

I have no problem lamenting on "what could have been" or feeling sorry for myself on past failures, which I am not. I like to sit back and reflect on past experiences, since I am a Cancer and a sensitive bastard at that! It's just my experience over the years from what I saw didn't seem like a lot of fairness (as if the real world is any better, NOT). Why have someone that knows their crap be a 16 year SSgt or 22 year TSgt because they don't test well or have a higher-uppers that dislike them and have a 16 year Chief that made it that fast and rarely if ever did their career field over the years because they spent so much time getting pooh pooh on their nose? That's why we need boards like officers. 3 shots to make the rank, with more than half making it the second shot.

Maybe that's why all those Brown noser SNCOs didn't like you Liebowitz. NomSayin??

Banned
04-20-2013, 08:37 PM
It is mandatory. And I think it's comical that you think it actually helps get a decent job.


Please explain to me that TAP helped at all with this? It's not about TAP, it's about people taking the initiative to prepare themselves. But in today's society people are unable to do things without government intervention, so I see your point.

I find it ironic that someone is claiming that too many people are dependent on government intervention, yet he himself apparently managed to get through two-three days of classes and learn nothing.

OtisRNeedleman
04-20-2013, 09:23 PM
It's not really three REASONABLE shots to make officer rank (Maj-Col)

BTZ- 2% chance
Primary Board (in-the-zone)- 75% to 93%
Above The Zone- .2% chance

If you don't make rank on your primary board, then you're career is pretty much over.

Amen to that. Been there. And if you don't get a DP for that primary board you'll be sweating it out, too.

OtisRNeedleman
04-20-2013, 09:24 PM
Um no, just telling it like it is for the most part. Screw political correctness. And I'm married to a busty Mexican woman I love with my life!

I have no problem lamenting on "what could have been" or feeling sorry for myself on past failures, which I am not. I like to sit back and reflect on past experiences, since I am a Cancer and a sensitive bastard at that! It's just my experience over the years from what I saw didn't seem like a lot of fairness (as if the real world is any better, NOT). Why have someone that knows their crap be a 16 year SSgt or 22 year TSgt because they don't test well or have a higher-uppers that dislike them and have a 16 year Chief that made it that fast and rarely if ever did their career field over the years because they spent so much time getting pooh pooh on their nose? That's why we need boards like officers. 3 shots to make the rank, with more than half making it the second shot.

Gee. folks. Don't be so hard on Jon. He means well. He tries hard. He wants to be a big guy, too.