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CrustySMSgt
03-06-2013, 07:28 AM
How soon before other services follow? Better get signed up for your classes now!!




http://www.stripes.com/marines-halt-new-enrollments-in-tuition-assistance-programs-other-services-could-follow-1.210592

Marines halt new enrollments in tuition assistance programs; other services could follow
By Jennifer Hlad Stars and Stripes Tweet

Published: March 5, 2013

U.S. ArmyWASHINGTON – Some Marines are scrambling to find ways to pay for classes after a surprise announcement that the Marine Corps has stopped new enrollments in its tuition assistance program.

The program was available for active-duty Marines attending high school completion courses, vocational courses or classes toward an associate, bachelor, master or doctorate degree after hours. It provided up to $4,500 per fiscal year, or $250 per semester hour or credit hour, according to a Marine Corps website.

An administrative message published Saturday for all Navy and Marine Corps personnel from Navy Secretary Ray Mabus noted that one of the impacts of the across-the-board budget cuts known as sequestration would be to “cease new USMC enrollments in voluntary education tuition assistance.”

But Marines already using the program said they were informed that their assistance also would be cut off after the current semester and that they should meet with guidance counselors for information about scholarships and grants.

Marine Corps officials did not answer inquiries from Stars and Stripes seeking clarification about whether students enrolled in education programs will be able to get assistance for next semester.

The cuts do not impact the G.I. Bill.

Michael Dakduk, executive director of Student Veterans of America, said the tuition assistance program was important to him while he was in the Marine Corps.

“This benefit helped me attain the coursework necessary to successfully transition from combat to college and eventually complete my baccalaureate degree,” Dakduk said.

The cancellation of the program “is especially troubling given the number of Marines expected to leave active service in the coming years and the incredible value placed on higher education in today’s job market,” he said.

The Marines may not be the only service to make the change. On Tuesday, the Defense Department comptroller released guidance that suggested all services consider “significant reductions in funding new tuition assistance applicants ... for the duration of the current fiscal situation.”


Just gotta throw it out there again... why is it we're going to screw our own people, yet continue to send foreign aid? If things are really that bad, we need to take care of our own before we worry about others! Not saying the strategic impact of foreign aid should be put in second place to someone taking classes... just in general; before we slash programs to take care of OUR people, we need to take a hard look at why we're funding similar programs for other countries!

JD2780
03-06-2013, 12:45 PM
How soon before other services follow? Better get signed up for your classes now!!



Just gotta throw it out there again... why is it we're going to screw our own people, yet continue to send foreign aid? If things are really that bad, we need to take care of our own before we worry about others! Not saying the strategic impact of foreign aid should be put in second place to someone taking classes... just in general; before we slash programs to take care of OUR people, we need to take a hard look at why we're funding similar programs for other countries!

Our military leaders also have to look at the budget and move funds around as well. Yes we need our gov to stop sending foriegn aid all over, but our leaders also have to make better choices as to where to put the money we actually have. Instead of stopping enrollments how about dropping it to 75%? Or closing some more MWR stuff folks dont use. Like in the AF nobody really uses the enlisted clubs anymore. If they do its not to the extent they used to.

CrustySMSgt
03-06-2013, 01:09 PM
Our military leaders also have to look at the budget and move funds around as well. Yes we need our gov to stop sending foriegn aid all over, but our leaders also have to make better choices as to where to put the money we actually have. Instead of stopping enrollments how about dropping it to 75%? Or closing some more MWR stuff folks dont use. Like in the AF nobody really uses the enlisted clubs anymore. If they do its not to the extent they used to.

Was discussing this over chow today... so if TA is going to get axed, are they going to look at the second order effects? Are you going to be expected to pay out of pcoket or use your GI bill to take a class you need for senior rater? Same for Os who are working on their Masters... are they going to have to pay out of pocket? We've established standards/expectations with the assumption they'll be funded and now they may not be.

JD2780
03-06-2013, 01:13 PM
Was discussing this over chow today... so if TA is going to get axed, are they going to look at the second order effects? Are you going to be expected to pay out of pcoket or use your GI bill to take a class you need for senior rater? Same for Os who are working on their Masters... are they going to have to pay out of pocket? We've established standards/expectations with the assumption they'll be funded and now they may not be.

Are they going to get rid of the requirement of the CCAF for SRE?

CYBERFX1024
03-06-2013, 03:50 PM
Our military leaders also have to look at the budget and move funds around as well. Yes we need our gov to stop sending foriegn aid all over, but our leaders also have to make better choices as to where to put the money we actually have. Instead of stopping enrollments how about dropping it to 75%? Or closing some more MWR stuff folks dont use. Like in the AF nobody really uses the enlisted clubs anymore. If they do its not to the extent they used to.

Remeber last year when the Marine Corps scrapped the TA for a set amount every year, and I think it was $850. People were in such a uproar about it, that the Marine Corps went back to the full amount. But they did say the funds would probably run out before the end of the Fiscal Year.
Well the funds have run out now. So thank you Marines who screwed everyone else out of TA while they use the full amount.

Banned
03-06-2013, 05:02 PM
This has "bad idea" written all over it.

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SuperPog0151
03-08-2013, 05:19 PM
Remeber last year when the Marine Corps scrapped the TA for a set amount every year, and I think it was $850. People were in such a uproar about it, that the Marine Corps went back to the full amount. But they did say the funds would probably run out before the end of the Fiscal Year.
Well the funds have run out now. So thank you Marines who screwed everyone else out of TA while they use the full amount.

How did the Marines screw everyone over exactly? Why are you blaming the Marines and not the other services? The other services only lowered the annual amount to $3500. But the Marines cut TA by over 80% and in some cases the former allotted amount wouldn't cover a single class. But it's the Marines' fault? I agree that they should have lowered the amount but should have followed suit with the other services' methods. By slashing it by that much, it sends a message to Marines that the Corps doesn't care about a Marine's education. I believe that it was the SecDef that put a stop to the Marines' $875 cap because it was incredibly unfair to Marines. Why not cut down on other programs such as MWR or SMP? Back to my point - Marines wanting to get a fair amount of TA isn't screwing everyone else over.

RETSGTMAJ
03-12-2013, 06:01 PM
I can remember many years ago while serving on Okinawa when one of our greatest Commandants and Warriors, General Al Gray, came to visit and told us all "I better not ever hear anyone tell me they joined the Marine Corps for an Education". He was all about war fightening, which by the way is our mission.

RobotChicken
03-12-2013, 07:13 PM
Our military leaders also have to look at the budget and move funds around as well. Yes we need our gov to stop sending foriegn aid all over, but our leaders also have to make better choices as to where to put the money we actually have. Instead of stopping enrollments how about dropping it to 75%? Or closing some more MWR stuff folks dont use. Like in the AF nobody really uses the enlisted clubs anymore. If they do its not to the extent they used to.
:bump2 Back in '75 stationed at Lowry AFB the E Club was so crowded with guys and gals you couldn't move!(had beer machines for ?.30 cents in the WW-II barracks we occupied) Now I suppose if one went to any place booze or beer were served 'ON BASE' you would be paranoid of a 'weekend update' on who,where, and how MUCH, and being within walking distance, accused of drunk in public/vs DUI, And then Restricted to base and barred from all drinking/watering holes. Even in Europe,I only drank coke/NA Beer(German of course) at the O'club,etc. :nono

SSgt2111
03-13-2013, 01:05 AM
Yes, the loss of TA stinks, but we need to remember, the Marine Corps is a warfighting organization, not a scholarship foundation. TA is an entitlement, a perk, a nice to have, not a need to have. Quit all the belly aching and drop your entitlement mentality. Just about everyone should still have their GI bill so they can continue to pursue their education if they are operationally capable of doing so.

Yes, the Government needs to cut wasteful spending elsewhere, and I agree, foreign aid should go, to include our so called allies: Pakistan and Israel come to mind. Bu we know that's not going to happen.

SuperPog0151
03-13-2013, 06:49 PM
Yes, the loss of TA stinks, but we need to remember, the Marine Corps is a warfighting organization, not a scholarship foundation. TA is an entitlement, a perk, a nice to have, not a need to have. Quit all the belly aching and drop your entitlement mentality. Just about everyone should still have their GI bill so they can continue to pursue their education if they are operationally capable of doing so.

Yes, the Government needs to cut wasteful spending elsewhere, and I agree, foreign aid should go, to include our so called allies: Pakistan and Israel come to mind. Bu we know that's not going to happen.

I'm not sure if your comment was geared towards mine in regards to the "belly aching." I agree that TA is a "nice-to-have" as long as they don't mess with the GI Bill. My previous response was towards the poster who claimed that the cut of TA was the result of Marines wanting to get a fair shake last year (or the year before).

SSgt2111
03-13-2013, 08:57 PM
It wasn't directed towards you superpog. It was towards everybody that is crying about the loss of TA.

snakebreath11
03-14-2013, 05:04 PM
Well said SSgt 2211!

CYBERFX1024
03-14-2013, 07:03 PM
How did the Marines screw everyone over exactly? Why are you blaming the Marines and not the other services? The other services only lowered the annual amount to $3500. But the Marines cut TA by over 80% and in some cases the former allotted amount wouldn't cover a single class. But it's the Marines' fault? I agree that they should have lowered the amount but should have followed suit with the other services' methods. By slashing it by that much, it sends a message to Marines that the Corps doesn't care about a Marine's education. I believe that it was the SecDef that put a stop to the Marines' $875 cap because it was incredibly unfair to Marines. Why not cut down on other programs such as MWR or SMP? Back to my point - Marines wanting to get a fair amount of TA isn't screwing everyone else over.

It is screwing people over. You just might not see it because you are a POG and therefore think that TA is a right. I have been in units where you could use TA and go to school if you wanted to on your own time. But too many times I have seen it where the Marine uses work time to prepare, study, and concentrate on school. When they should be concentrating on the work at hand.
When I first got to the fleet the Marine Corps paid 3/4 of the tuition and you had to pay the last part. Then it went to the 100% a few years ago. Why not just go back to previous option of the Marine Corps paying 3/4.

Just so every knows. I am a POG myself, 2844 to be exact. But I have been stationed with the Infantry, and I know what they go through. When I was with the Infantry we let alone them had no time to do pretty much anything extracurricular. So when they got out they had to use the GI BILL.
But when I was with a POG unit they had large amount of time to go to school and even given special consideration so that they were kept from doing specific stuff so that it did not interfere with school time.

SuperPog0151
03-18-2013, 11:14 PM
It is screwing people over. You just might not see it because you are a POG and therefore think that TA is a right. I have been in units where you could use TA and go to school if you wanted to on your own time. But too many times I have seen it where the Marine uses work time to prepare, study, and concentrate on school. When they should be concentrating on the work at hand.
When I first got to the fleet the Marine Corps paid 3/4 of the tuition and you had to pay the last part. Then it went to the 100% a few years ago. Why not just go back to previous option of the Marine Corps paying 3/4.

Just so every knows. I am a POG myself, 2844 to be exact. But I have been stationed with the Infantry, and I know what they go through. When I was with the Infantry we let alone them had no time to do pretty much anything extracurricular. So when they got out they had to use the GI BILL.
But when I was with a POG unit they had large amount of time to go to school and even given special consideration so that they were kept from doing specific stuff so that it did not interfere with school time.

I fail to see how you think the current cut in TA is the Marines' fault. They just wanted a fair amount like their counterparts. At least if they would have cut it to 3/4 it would have been fair but to gut it by over 80% isn't. Essentially, the scenario was (fake numbers for easy math): All the services were getting $100 for TA but it was time for cuts so the other services cut it to $75 a year. The Marines, however, capped it at $20 for the year. Marines were unhappy and the SecDef realized that this was too much of a cut and directed it to be in line with everyone else. So I don't see how the current cut in TA is a result of Marines.

Just so you don't continue to assume things, I agree that TA is a nicety and isn't a right and I'm sure most Marines would agree. So don't go making sweeping generalizations that just because we're POGs we think think that it's a right.

Are there Marines who uses the TA programs for their own benefits? Sure. I'm sure there are even some that do school work during hours but from my experiences, I see Marines that are much more responsible than the few. I can't speak for being an infantry unit since I've always been in POG units and I haven't seen Marines taking classes during work hours. If you did see this happen in the units you're at then that's the fault of the Marines who are in charge.