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jondstewart
02-25-2013, 06:24 AM
To me, it's a Type A personality that wants to be in charge, give orders, bully the weak, influence, and manipulate people as means to an end. Yeah, that's shocking, huh? Most people who have or had real successful careers didn't care about anybody but themselves or else they cared about others as long as it progressed their career.

So many Air Force leaders are stressing leadership, leadership, leadership.......does it not occur to them we need more Indians than Chief's?

Even as a TSgt, I still had my hands tied and couldn't take care of my people the way I wanted to

As a final note, anybody that's been successful in their career will usually have type O blood, who have strong personalities, high testosterone levels, and don't care what others think, whereas Type A's are almost the complete opposite, usually with more docile and submissive natures. Type B's, what I am, are much more complex

imnohero
02-25-2013, 06:33 AM
If "leaders" in the AF suck, it's because the AF thinks that a 5 EPR and the AF approved leadership traits makes you a good one.

Robert F. Dorr
02-25-2013, 10:22 AM
The more you talk about something the less of it you have. Add leadership to the list that includes integrity, sacrifice and patriotism. These are all traits that can easily go unmentioned when they're working right.

Drackore
02-25-2013, 10:33 AM
Disregard and nevermind.

Airman of Darkness
02-25-2013, 11:32 AM
leadership means GITTIN R DUN and DOING IT TO IT! if you cant handle the heat in the kitchen of MY AIR FORCE, then you need to GET OUT!!! america wasnt BUILT by PANSIES!

http://cowboypatriot.com/images/cowboypatriot-main-450c.jpg

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JD2780
02-25-2013, 11:57 AM
A real leader adheres to the standard and enforces the standard no matter how hard. However, he knows to pull people to the standard. If he expects you to be doing PT every day they're doing PT. He wont trample or hurdle people to make rank instead he will use those folks to help him make rank and give credit to them for his achievements as well.

He can motivate you to achieve things you didnt think were possible.

Sometimes it means for them to piss of those senior to them. Falling on their sword.

At the same time they'll call you on your BS. If you're slacking they'll tell you and put that boot in your ass.

This type of leader is rare in the AF. The AF likes to have managers instead of leaders. If you look at the Marine Corps and Army they USUALLY have decent leaders. They're positions even have leader. Platoon leader, squad leader, fire team leader. Where the AF has positions that has manager written into. I know its simply different cultures, but thats what it is. A corporate culter vs a military structure.

Leaders as whole, are becoming more and more scarce in our society.

TVANSCOT
02-25-2013, 12:18 PM
Ok... you didn't ask what makes a good or bad leader... so here goes... a leader is a decision maker, one that can enforce and standby those decisions, its that simple.

Now we all know not all decisions are good decisions. Hitler for instance was a leader who made very poor decisions, which ultimately made him a bad leader. Now if he had succeeded in world domination, he would have been a great leader.

OtisRNeedleman
02-25-2013, 08:37 PM
A real leader adheres to the standard and enforces the standard no matter how hard. However, he knows to pull people to the standard. If he expects you to be doing PT every day they're doing PT. He wont trample or hurdle people to make rank instead he will use those folks to help him make rank and give credit to them for his achievements as well.

He can motivate you to achieve things you didnt think were possible.

Sometimes it means for them to piss of those senior to them. Falling on their sword.

At the same time they'll call you on your BS. If you're slacking they'll tell you and put that boot in your ass.

This type of leader is rare in the AF. The AF likes to have managers instead of leaders. If you look at the Marine Corps and Army they USUALLY have decent leaders. They're positions even have leader. Platoon leader, squad leader, fire team leader. Where the AF has positions that has manager written into. I know its simply different cultures, but thats what it is. A corporate culter vs a military structure.

Leaders as whole, are becoming more and more scarce in our society. Agree. There are few leaders anywhere any more, just bosses.

Leaders are willing to make tough decisions and stand by their decisions.

Leaders set the example. They never expect any more from their people than they do from themselves.

Leaders don't pass the buck. The buck stops with them. Leaders are the designated shit-takers for the organization.

When someone screws up, leaders don't yell at them. Instead, they show the person how and where they screwed up, the impact on the mission/unit, and if at all possible tell the person what needs to be done to prevent future repetitions of the mistake.

Leaders are big enough to admit mistakes on their part and apologize.

When a leader calls a meeting, it isn't a verbal masturbation session. The meeting is brief, to the point, and everyone leaves knowing what they need to do.

A leader will do the hard right thing over the easy wrong thing. A leader doesn't go along to get along.

A leader makes the effort and gets out of the personal comfort zone.

A leader never forgets that the organization's most important assets are the people in it.

Leaders delegate authority, but not responsibility. Leaders trust their people to get the mission done, but monitor how things are going, always ready to assist as needed.

Just some thoughts from someone who's always tried to be a leader.

imported_KnuckleDragger
02-25-2013, 09:06 PM
Props to CJSmith

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemyatt/2013/01/23/why-youre-not-a-leader/

imported_chipotleboy
02-25-2013, 09:10 PM
You obey managers because they are manipulating you with a carrot and a stick.

You follow leaders because you would feel ashamed to let them down.

JD2780
02-25-2013, 10:33 PM
You obey managers because they are manipulating you with a carrot and a stick.

You follow leaders because you would feel ashamed to let them down.

Damn right.

Capt Alfredo
02-25-2013, 11:54 PM
What doesn't anyone like long meetings? Crazy talk!

JD2780
02-26-2013, 12:02 AM
What doesn't anyone like long meetings? Crazy talk!

They dont like having long meetings because there wasnt a meeting to discuss the up coming long meeting.

Bunch
02-26-2013, 01:50 AM
Leader to me is that higher up that when you see him walk in you don't go thinking : "what the F he wants now"? and instead you go "Boss is here now, shit will get done!!".

Robert F. Dorr
02-26-2013, 02:14 AM
The question isn't about a leader. The question is about a "leader." That makes it difficult to answer because the context for the quote isn't clear.

combatrob
02-26-2013, 06:12 PM
To me, it's a Type A personality that wants to be in charge, give orders, bully the weak, influence, and manipulate people as means to an end. Yeah, that's shocking, huh? Most people who have or had real successful careers didn't care about anybody but themselves or else they cared about others as long as it progressed their career.

So many Air Force leaders are stressing leadership, leadership, leadership.......does it not occur to them we need more Indians than Chief's?

Even as a TSgt, I still had my hands tied and couldn't take care of my people the way I wanted to

As a final note, anybody that's been successful in their career will usually have type O blood, who have strong personalities, high testosterone levels, and don't care what others think, whereas Type A's are almost the complete opposite, usually with more docile and submissive natures. Type B's, what I am, are much more complex

I have a simple litmus test for leaders. Do your people respect you? If so, you're a leader. If not, you are at best a manager.

VCO
02-26-2013, 10:46 PM
To me it a leader is:
A short length of gut, wire, or similar material by which a hook is attached to a fishing line.

sgtpotsie
02-27-2013, 06:39 AM
When I think of the word "leader," these 2 come to mind immediately.

“Leadership is a potent combination of strategy and character. But if you must be without one, be without strategy.”
“You learn far more from negative leadership than positive leadership. Because you learn how not to do it.”
- Norman Schwarzkopf

LtGen Hal Moore's 17 Leadership Lessons:
1. Three strikes and you’re not out! There is always one more thing you can do to influence any situation in your favor.
2. A leader must ask, “What am I doing that I should not be doing, and what am I not doing that I should be doing?”?
3. A leader must be visible and exhibit confidence under any set of circumstances. The determination to prevail must be felt by all.
4. A leader must always be ready! When there is nothing going wrong, there’s nothing going wrong except there is nothing going wrong.
5. Trust your instincts. Instincts and intuition give you an immediate estimation of a situation.
6. Everything in leadership boils down to judgment. Intelligence and good character does not imply you have good judgment.
7. Study history and leadership qualities. Pay special attention to why leaders fail.
8. A person in a position of authority does not automatically become immediately respected or trusted. This is earned.
9. Every person in an organization is as important and necessary to a mission as the next person. That goes from the top to the bottom.
10. Instill the will to win. There can be no second-place trophies on display—awarded or accepted.
11. Never deprive a person of their self-respect. NEVER!
12. To do well in any field of endeavor, it is an advantage to work with good people.
13. Strive to have one or two people around you who are totally trustworthy.
14. Spend quality time with the team, learning who they are and what motivates them. Create a family.
15. Great leaders learn to lead self first. Before you can lead others, leading self successfully must be accomplished day in and day out.
16. Successful leaders create the future.
17. Leaders must lead. Be the first boots on the ground and the last boots off.

Robert F. Dorr
03-11-2013, 07:10 PM
Always wondered about those first boots on the ground and the last boots off. When does this stop being leadership and start being showmanship? I had lunch with two Ia Drang veterans yesterday and they have the highest regard for him but not necessarily for his writing.

Boss Hog
03-12-2013, 12:48 AM
RFD-- for a man who prides himself as a student of history, I am certain you know that the General's distinguished leadership accomplishments speak for themselves. (Who gives a crap about his writing.) 'Nuff said.

JD2780
03-12-2013, 01:36 AM
Always wondered about those first boots on the ground and the last boots off. When does this stop being leadership and start being showmanship? I had lunch with two Ia Drang veterans yesterday and they have the highest regard for him but not necessarily for his writing.

It becomes showman ship when you only do it infront of the camera. Many AF leaders could learn from his writings. The AF generally teaches managerial skills NOT leadership skills. The AF is no longer a military but more of a corporation for the DoD.