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CommunityEditor
10-17-2012, 08:54 PM
Deployed soldier begins sex change

She’s a lesbian, and almost everyone in her unit knows it.

She wears her hair cropped short and has a distinctly boyish appearance.

And she’s becoming manlier by the day, now that she’s started taking male hormones.

Call her Keith. That’s the name this 26-year-old specialist, now deployed to Afghanistan, plans to take when she completes a transition begun several months ago when she started giving herself testosterone injections every other week, under the direction of a civilian doctor who specializes in gender changes.

Read the whole story here (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2012/10/PRIME-military-deployed-to-war-zone-soldier-begins-sex-change-101512w/).

How should the military treat troops who wish to make this transition?

efmbman
10-18-2012, 02:20 AM
How should the military treat troops who wish to make this transition?

Call me crazy... but how about the military treat this person with the dignity and respect accorded all servicemembers? He/she should receive no special treatment, and therefore should not be treated any different that all others that have volunteered to serve their country. This is not an issue, don't turn it into one.

raider8169
10-18-2012, 02:29 AM
If any step of it requires something that anyone else in the military can not do it should not be allowed. IE drugs, unathorized surgery, etc...

Otherwise who cares and as long as the person in question doesnt make a big deal about it no one else should as well.

Vrake
10-18-2012, 02:35 AM
There is a thread that this is mentioned or going about this.

Entity the Editor find that and you will have many good quotes to print. Seems like the only reason threads like this get posted is you are looking for the "online" part of the letters to the editor to print.


Please quit picking the low hanging fruit. If y'all watched your boards more you would see we beat to death issues you post a week or two late. IMHO

CrustySMSgt
10-18-2012, 04:10 AM
There is a thread that this is mentioned or going about this.

Entity the Editor find that and you will have many good quotes to print. Seems like the only reason threads like this get posted is you are looking for the "online" part of the letters to the editor to print.


Please quit picking the low hanging fruit. If y'all watched your boards more you would see we beat to death issues you post a week or two late. IMHO

Not to mention "Keith" is in the Army and this was posted in the Marine section; I can only assume that was done to have the best chance to get a heated response from someone?

RS6405
10-18-2012, 11:26 AM
Not to mention "Keith" is in the Army and this was posted in the Marine section; I can only assume that was done to have the best chance to get a heated response from someone?

It's not the first time other branches articles have been posted in the Marine section. Maybe this editor was a Marine and wants more activity in that thread? :noidea

CrustySMSgt
10-18-2012, 11:53 AM
It's not the first time other branches articles have been posted in the Marine section. Maybe this editor was a Marine and wants more activity in that thread? :noidea

Maybe :hippie :crazy:bounce

AJBIGJ
10-18-2012, 02:45 PM
It's not the first time other branches articles have been posted in the Marine section. Maybe this editor was a Marine and wants more activity in that thread? :noidea

I think there's something to that theory, I notice a very large number of relatively generic articles do tend to get posted under that section. There are actually a decent number of Marines who do post in these forums (not as much as the USAF certainly).

F4CrewChick
10-18-2012, 03:01 PM
Not to mention "Keith" is in the Army and this was posted in the Marine section; I can only assume that was done to have the best chance to get a heated response from someone?
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CrustySMSgt again."
You said it Crusty. The phrasing of the question denotes a certain kind of predudice I think. I'm surprised "you people" wasn't used in the question.

Measure Man
10-18-2012, 03:02 PM
Call me crazy... but how about the military treat this person with the dignity and respect accorded all servicemembers? He/she should receive no special treatment, and therefore should not be treated any different that all others that have volunteered to serve their country. This is not an issue, don't turn it into one.

You so crazy

F4CrewChick
10-18-2012, 03:03 PM
It's not the first time other branches articles have been posted in the Marine section. Maybe this editor was a Marine and wants more activity in that thread? :noideaWhat are you, a Lawyer? ;-)

CrustySMSgt
10-18-2012, 03:37 PM
What are you, a Lawyer? ;-)

:boink:laugh:pound:high5

RS6405
10-18-2012, 04:31 PM
Gee thanks Chickie! :tongue1

F4CrewChick
10-18-2012, 07:36 PM
Gee thanks Chickie! :tongue1:smokin You know I got nuthin' but big love for you...The 'Community Editor' posted another poorly-worded question (as this one is), asking about the two female Marine officers who washed out of IOC. The 'CE' used the same wording of a TIME article but if one peruses the media stories on this issue, the way it is worded betrays the bias of the writers. I wrote a really reasoned response to the thread but the entire thread disappeared...Hopefully, it is being rethought.reworded for later posting.

garhkal
10-18-2012, 10:29 PM
What i would like to know is this "Keith" in danger of being processed out cause she willfully bypassed her chain as well as medical, going to an out in town doc for the drugs, as well as took them with her (since i doubt hormone drugs would have been allowed to be shipped if they were labled that way) when she deployed?
Also what of the time off she will require after each medical proceedure? Will it ge charged as leave?

RS6405
10-19-2012, 12:36 AM
:smokin You know I got nuthin' but big love for you...The 'Community Editor' posted another poorly-worded question (as this one is), asking about the two female Marine officers who washed out of IOC. The 'CE' used the same wording of a TIME article but if one peruses the media stories on this issue, the way it is worded betrays the bias of the writers. I wrote a really reasoned response to the thread but the entire thread disappeared...Hopefully, it is being rethought.reworded for later posting.

You are right about there being an obvious angle of the questions posed. Wonder if they will take notice of this post.. or add that other thread

CrustySMSgt
10-19-2012, 09:55 AM
Oh no, someone dinged me (but didn't even have enough juice to make it a negative, just a neutral) and told me to "stay in my own section.

Internet thread police are scary; I'm shaking in my boots as I once again post in their section! :help

RS6405
10-19-2012, 11:16 AM
Crusty--

I got a nuetral ding as well -- he called me a douche-- had to laugh. Some newbie was trying to push his weight around.

I bet almost every one of us posters on this thread got dinged

TSgt"M"
10-19-2012, 07:35 PM
Should they be allowed to wear different class A's than what their "born" gender is? I don't know about this, to me its going too far.

Pullinteeth
07-25-2013, 02:31 PM
How is this even possible? Wouldn't you think that someone would notice that SSgt William Clinton became SSgt Wilma Clinton?

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130723/BENEFITS/307230023/Transgender-troops-still-serve-silence

I'm sorry but it makes me a bit ill when the Lt Col compares himself to a 16 YO girl...

TJMAC77SP
07-25-2013, 02:57 PM
How is this even possible? Wouldn't you think that someone would notice that SSgt William Clinton became SSgt Wilma Clinton?

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130723/BENEFITS/307230023/Transgender-troops-still-serve-silence

I'm sorry but it makes me a bit ill when the Lt Col compares himself to a 16 YO girl...

I wondered the same thing. Was also a little creeped out as you were by the 16 year old girl comment.

Greg
07-25-2013, 03:53 PM
How is this even possible? Wouldn't you think that someone would notice that SSgt William Clinton became SSgt Wilma Clinton?

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130723/BENEFITS/307230023/Transgender-troops-still-serve-silence

I'm sorry but it makes me a bit ill when the Lt Col compares himself to a 16 YO girl...

I've heard it said, "You're only as sick as your secrets."

garhkal
07-25-2013, 08:16 PM
That article did bring up an interesting idea.. Give them a 1 yr hard time line to get the sex change done at a med facility and they pay the mil back with 2 additional years once done.

Assaultdog0351
07-27-2013, 04:51 AM
Ain't nobody got no time for this. Keep this shit out of the military.

garhkal
07-27-2013, 07:26 PM
The same prob used to be said about gays and lesbians (and even further back, blacks).. Now look how things are.

Assaultdog0351
07-28-2013, 07:19 AM
By "things" are you referring to how male sexual assaults now surpass female sexual assaults?

efmbman
07-28-2013, 12:58 PM
By "things" are you referring to how male sexual assaults now surpass female sexual assaults?

Is that an anecdotal claim, or is there a link to that information?

Assaultdog0351
07-29-2013, 12:31 PM
page 17.

http://www.sapr.mil/public/docs/reports/FY12_DoD_SAPRO_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assault-VOLUME_TWO.pdf

Assaultdog0351
07-29-2013, 12:34 PM
Once my link is approved you will be able to see:
A line graph in Volume II shows survey results on questions asked to determine the "Percent of Active-Duty Members Who Have Experienced Unwanted Sexual Contact, by Gender." The graph shows no change for women (32% in both 2010 and 2012), but a significant increase among men reporting "Unwanted Touching," from 31% in 2010 to 51% in 2012. This is a 64.5% increase among men, but it appears just above the highly-misleading claim that there were "no statistically significant differences for women or men" in the years highlighted. - Center For Military Readiness

I would also like to point out if you scroll down to where it shows how well victims thought their cases were handled, both genders are perfectly aligned. smells like bullshit. I bet they came to these conclusions through a serious of irrelevant questions and associated them to these claims.

Assaultdog0351
07-29-2013, 12:48 PM
btw the page 17 reference is the number at top of screen not pdf. Another interesting figure is one page 340 (pdf page) just in case the post gets denied just google SAPR 2012 report volume 2

Stalwart
07-29-2013, 01:56 PM
The same prob used to be said about gays and lesbians (and even further back, blacks).. Now look how things are.

Same was also said for females as well.

Stalwart
07-29-2013, 01:57 PM
Call me crazy... but how about the military treat this person with the dignity and respect accorded all servicemembers? He/she should receive no special treatment, and therefore should not be treated any different that all others that have volunteered to serve their country. This is not an issue, don't turn it into one.

You stole my thoughts on this almost verbatim.