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Kc10ken
12-13-2010, 12:01 AM
New to this website. 13 years time in service and re-enlisting back into the Air Force Reserve as a KC-10 Flight Engineer. Have somewhat of an idea of what lies ahead (as far as training etc.) but was wondering if there are any recent FE grads out there (especially KC-10) who can give me any useful info on their recent training. I'll be based out of McGuire AFB where I was a KC-10 crewchief for many years so I'm familiar with the aircraft and I have my pilots license (with commericial, instrument and multi-engine ratings) so I'm well schooled in the arena as well.

Anyway, would love to hear from any recent KC-10 FE grads.

Thanks

akruse
12-13-2010, 12:23 AM
Man, wouldn't it be great if there was a FE retraining thread...Would be even better if that thread had a couple hundred pages worth of info.....would be even more "gooder" if that thread was updated just about weekly....

:)

20MM
12-13-2010, 01:40 AM
Be sure to get your FAA jet FE rating after your training not too many FE jobs out there anymore in reality unless you get on something really old but it never hurts to have it, as an example: FEDEX still uses them on their DC's. I have a friend that did exactly what you're doing I think he was 40-42 and went back in. He actually loves it and will ride it out to get the 20 year letter. Have fun.

KC-10 FE
06-19-2013, 12:44 AM
I am in a similar situation to the OP. Nearly 13 years in and getting switched from EC-130's to KC-10's at Travis. Looking for some info about what to expect on the 10. I used to be a GAC troop on the 10 and remember asking the FE questions in debrief with "I ran the checklist" being the only response I would get. Im sure 10 FE's get taught systems, but i heard it isn't to the extent that some of the rest of us do. Is that true? Knowing the Avionic systems on that plane really well will at least allow me to answer debrief questions with a little more detail than what I was used to in MX.

I posted in the FE retraining thread, but I am not retraining and the thread has since made its way to the second page of the board. Dug this one up that is more specific to what I am looking for.

Thanks ahead of time!

BigBaze
06-20-2013, 04:29 PM
KC-10 Instructor FE here atMcGuire. If you're looking for excitement, this is not the jet for you:) You are going to the better of the 2 bases IMO. You'll do some good trips, they usually do a lot of the fighter drags/cargo missions through the Pacific bases. The deployments are cake, usually 58 days to a desert location, you'll do 2 or 3 a year, but since you're going to the Reserves, one, but most likely none.

You will not get your FE rating out of it, I know if you get the E4 at Offutt you will, since you attend 747 school in Miami. Not to be one to crush dreams but there is basically nothing when it comes to FE jobs on the outside, FedEx MD-10's are DC-10's with glass cockpits and the FE removed. It is the same cockpit as the MD-11, designed to allow pilots to be familiar with both aircraft. (common pilot pool)

This aircraft is for all intents and purposes a converted civilian airliner, so stuff like the preflight is all memorized. It is a very good aircraft though. Basically you'll do your sim training with contractors at FlightSafety on base, before moving to the flying training unit (FTU) for your initial flight training with Air Force instructors. You will get your checkride out of there, and go to your squadron for Phase II training. Did you say you were a prior FE?

KC-10 FE
06-20-2013, 05:24 PM
Thanks BigBaze for the info. Not sure if you were talking to me or the original poster, but I am Active Duty currently stationed at DM in Arizona. I am an EC-130 FE, and was a GAC specialist/instructor on the 10 when I was at Travis for 10 years prior to retraining so I am very familiar with the jet.

KC-10 FE
06-20-2013, 05:31 PM
Thanks BigBaze for the info! not aure if you were talking to me or the original poster. I am currently an EC-130 FE out if DM in Arizona, so trust me when I say that dragging fighters, dual role, and air bridges will be more exciting than what I do on the EC. I am very familiar with the jet from my days as a GAC specialist/instructor on the jet for 10 years before I retrained.

A friend of mine who is already an FE on the 10 at Travis sent me the BOLDFACE and MQF. Is there an ops limit sheet that you guys all study from? On the 130 we have one, and it has all the limitations of the plane from the -1 consolidated onto a sheet of paper for quick reference and studying for check rides.

KC-10 FE
06-20-2013, 05:53 PM
Thanks BigBaze for the info. Not sure if you were talking to me or the original poster, but I am Active Duty currently stationed at DM in Arizona. I am an EC-130 FE, and was a GAC specialist/instructor on the 10 when I was at Travis for 10 years prior to retraining so I am very familiar with the jet.

KC-10 FE
06-20-2013, 06:03 PM
So frustrating that I have to wait for a moderator to approve my posts after I write them.

Doesn't make any sense why some posts of mine show up immediately and others don't.

I've heard 10 FE's don't get trained to the level of system knowledge that other airframe FE's do, and instead are a "third pilot". Is that true?

KC-10 FE
06-20-2013, 08:41 PM
Lets try this again...

Friend of mine already sent me the KC-10 FE MQF and BOLDFACE. Is there a limitations sheet that you guys have that makes it easy to study for check rides and general knowledge?

ttribe
06-20-2013, 09:33 PM
Lets try this again...

Friend of mine already sent me the KC-10 FE MQF and BOLDFACE. Is there a limitations sheet that you guys have that makes it easy to study for check rides and general knowledge?

This should get you started. All Pubs. I reccomend you download the LARRY LAMM. It was a McD Douglas schematic book. Very useful in learning systems. If you have any other questions let me know.

https://cs.eis.af.mil/aircrewpubs/Aircrew%20Pubs%20Library/Forms/Better.aspx?RootFolder=%2faircrewpubs%2fAircrew%20 Pubs%20Library%2fMaster%5fLibrary%5fVerified%2fKC1 0&FolderCTID=0x01200021370D19BF5D9F459D8FD907C237955 A&View=%7b474B5B3C%2d7684%2d49F4%2dA33B%2dD03C167CEA B3%7d

KC-10 FE
06-20-2013, 10:58 PM
Thanks. I am familiar with the "Lamms Manual" as it was called when I was maintenance there. Very useful book if you know what you are looking at.

KC-10 FE
06-22-2013, 05:53 AM
Today a friend of mine that I used to work with before we both retrained from mx to FE who is already on the KC-10 sent me the MQF and BOLDFACE via email so I can get a jump on studying.

have to say it was a shock to see that there are 278 questions on the KC-10 MQF compared to the EC-130's 150. However I am finding it easy to memorize the 10 MQF still as I am already very familiar with the KC-10 from my prior years as a 7 lvl GAC troop/Instructor.

Can't seem to locate a ops limit cheat sheet anywhere, so I am just looking over the ones that I can find via Google.