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The Cooler
09-11-2010, 11:13 PM
..opinions change all the time, lets hear it.

takthekak
09-11-2010, 11:23 PM
Worst: Minot...dual wing nuclear base, inspections out the butt and -60 degree wind chill blizzard weather
and oh yeah, they have tornado's and floods too...Only the Best do not Come North!

Thunderhorse19
09-11-2010, 11:37 PM
Worst: Offutt...same weather as Minot. -35 degree wind chill, winds 60 mph, tornado's, hail storms, ice storms, blizzards and too darn top heavy...10,000 military, civilian and contractors with 36 generals, admirals and SES's between Strat-com, AF weather agency and 55th Wing. Nebraska is the 6th highest taxed state, and Omaha is approaching the highest crime rate in the country. 2 child porn arrests and 10 shootings this week.

imported_WRA342
09-12-2010, 12:03 AM
Nellis hands down! The base has several different Wings so it's hard to tell who is in charge. The Weapons School and Thunderbirds rule the base, everyone else is second place. .

Las Vegas is a very dirty, high crime city. Crime is close to the Base and it's not unusual to hear gun fire from base housing. Traffic is insane, the track just makes it worse on race week. I won't even get into the Clark County school system, where illegal's have more rights than your kids will.

imported_air1986
09-13-2010, 12:00 AM
Nellis hands down! The base has several different Wings so it's hard to tell who is in charge. The Weapons School and Thunderbirds rule the base, everyone else is second place. .

Las Vegas is a very dirty, high crime city. Crime is close to the Base and it's not unusual to hear gun fire from base housing. Traffic is insane, the track just makes it worse on race week. I won't even get into the Clark County school system, where illegal's have more rights than your kids will.

Thats why u need to go to henderson. Its nice there or even Summerlin

takthekak
09-13-2010, 03:07 AM
Minot sucks balls!

HydroMagic
09-13-2010, 06:28 AM
Minot sucks balls!

Agreed! Plus on top of everything else already mentioned the base is getting overcrowded quickly. "Let's do a buildup and just stuff a whole bunch of bodies up there with no new infrastructure". The gym is usually overcrowded, but it is too new to build a new one. Housing is a mess (on and off base). Everybody's quality of life decreased when they come here. Stabilized tours are irrelevant, I'd say 80%+ of the people here stay AT LEAST 5 years once they get here anyway. I've never seen so many people try to do special duties, 365 tours and Korea like here LOL. No culture to experience (unless drinking and single parenthood is a culture) and if you're a minority you'll feel out of place off base. "The people are nice", the people have been nice everywhere I've lived or visited. Oh well, at least you'll go to school (out of sheer boredom) and playing ice hockey is cheap and mostly year round :)

RAFLblues
09-13-2010, 12:41 PM
..opinions change all the time, lets hear it.

RAF Lakenheath, no mission, the British hated us, no services, commisary sucks, BX sucks, high crime...etc etc.

RAFLblues
09-13-2010, 12:42 PM
Thats why u need to go to henderson. Its nice there or even Summerlin

Or Durango and 215 North. I Used to live in that area LOVED IT!!! Nellis FTW!!

Enigmatic Airman
09-13-2010, 01:28 PM
Even tho its Florida I hate Eglin...

Applying for a Special Duty jus to get outta here...

loader67
09-13-2010, 02:15 PM
Agreed! Plus on top of everything else already mentioned the base is getting overcrowded quickly. "Let's do a buildup and just stuff a whole bunch of bodies up there with no new infrastructure". The gym is usually overcrowded, but it is too new to build a new one. Housing is a mess (on and off base). Everybody's quality of life decreased when they come here. Stabilized tours are irrelevant, I'd say 80%+ of the people here stay AT LEAST 5 years once they get here anyway. I've never seen so many people try to do special duties, 365 tours and Korea like here LOL. No culture to experience (unless drinking and single parenthood is a culture) and if you're a minority you'll feel out of place off base. "The people are nice", the people have been nice everywhere I've lived or visited. Oh well, at least you'll go to school (out of sheer boredom) and playing ice hockey is cheap and mostly year round :)

Yep. Minot not only blows, it sucks. When I arrived on station, I met the Wing Weapons Manager at the time and the first thing he said to me was "Do you know why they sent you here? This is where they send MSgt's to make them retire." No "hey, good to meet you", no "how ya doing." There were people in the shop who had been there for 14-15 years. There was a SMSgt SP who had been there 19 years. When "the incident" happened I told someone this is what happens when you have people who never leave a base. Complacency. I do ,however, predict in a few years that second BS will be deactivated.

ConfusedAirman
09-13-2010, 02:48 PM
It appears that Minot is winning (or is it losing?). Just to add a few more flavors, consider Langley toward the top of the worst. Fighter pilots already presume to be the zipper suit sungods of the AF. 1st Fighter Wing takes that to a new level on a command basis as they try to impress their MAJCOM and fellow tenant, ACC. Plus ACC constantly dumps workload on the 1FW simply because they are FIRST and right next door. But now 1FW leadership cannot wrap their heads around the idea that they no longer own the base now that it is Joint Base Langley-Eustis and a non-pilot is in charge and they are merely tenants.

Wouldkillforthisjob
09-13-2010, 06:45 PM
RAF Lakenheath, no mission, the British hated us, no services, commisary sucks, BX sucks, high crime...etc etc.

I'd have to agree with you to an extent on this one. Yes I hated it when I was there, but now that i'm at Pope, i would give an arm and a leg to go back. Not for the area, because I like this area, but for the mission.

My shop at RAFL was well built and well manned. Here, I am the only active duty individual in my office (the other is a civilian.)

crwchf16
09-13-2010, 07:11 PM
OK, best base for me personally was a tie between Eielson and Hickam. Eielson had all the outdoor opportunities and Hickam was in the paradise of Hawaii.
The worst base I've been to is also a tie between Osan and Spangdahlem. Osan had way too much brass trying to make their next stripe/bar/oakleaf, etc, and Spangdahlem's management is so out of touch with reality that if it doesn't show up on a stat sheet, it didn't happen.

Airborne
09-13-2010, 07:19 PM
RAF Lakenheath, no mission, the British hated us, no services, commisary sucks, BX sucks, high crime...etc etc.

Was at Mildenhall, with a great mission, the British dont hate us, the services and bx suck, but you can get fresh local food off base better than anything on base or even in the states, and the crime was no different than anything you would experience in Anytown, USA. I didnt even shop on base the last year or so I was there. I wish I would have figured some of those things out earlier.

Wouldkillforthisjob
09-13-2010, 07:31 PM
Was at Mildenhall, with a great mission, the British dont hate us, the services and bx suck, but you can get fresh local food off base better than anything on base or even in the states, and the crime was no different than anything you would experience in Anytown, USA. I didnt even shop on base the last year or so I was there. I wish I would have figured some of those things out earlier.

Mildenhall is a completely different animal than RAFL though. At my shop in RAFL, we had 6 people, compared to 13 at RAFM. I would routinely work 12-16 hour days 5 days a week there.

F4CrewChick
09-13-2010, 07:34 PM
Even tho its Florida I hate Eglin...

Applying for a Special Duty jus to get outta here...Most. Bugs. Ever. Only good thing about Eglin is the beach and thats pushing it. Destin is okay if you're drunk. They don't call it the "Redneck Riviera" for nothing.

Wouldkillforthisjob
09-13-2010, 07:37 PM
Most. Bugs. Ever. Only good thing about Eglin is the beach and thats pushing it. Destin is okay if you're drunk. They don't call it the "Redneck Riviera" for nothing.

Lets not talk about rednecks. I'm at Pope now and I have never seen so many brother-cousins and uncle-dads in my life lol.

F4CrewChick
09-13-2010, 07:41 PM
Lets not talk about rednecks. I'm at Pope now and I have never seen so many brother-cousins and uncle-dads in my life lol.My condolences Uncle Daddy...

Wouldkillforthisjob
09-13-2010, 07:46 PM
My condolences Uncle Daddy...

BURN!

Not me though thank god.

Wouldkillforthisjob
09-13-2010, 07:51 PM
So, allong the same lines, what is the best stateside base you have been to? I'm about to get a BOP and I haven't got any clue as to where I want to go.

smarg
09-13-2010, 07:52 PM
Nellis hands down! The base has several different Wings so it's hard to tell who is in charge. The Weapons School and Thunderbirds rule the base, everyone else is second place. .

Las Vegas is a very dirty, high crime city. Crime is close to the Base and it's not unusual to hear gun fire from base housing. Traffic is insane, the track just makes it worse on race week. I won't even get into the Clark County school system, where illegal's have more rights than your kids will.

You'd better hope shrike or seasons doesn't see this....racist!!! :)

Shrike
09-13-2010, 07:57 PM
You'd better hope shrike or seasons doesn't see this....racist!!! :)

Put up or shut up time: link to a single post I've ever made in support of illegal immigrants. I know this will be a difficult request for you to wrap your mind around as you never support your claims with any evidence at all. So I'm giving you a chance to show you are not a hypocrite* completely devoid of any credibility.



*I use the word hypocrite because you have used a racial slur on this forum.

Shrike
09-13-2010, 07:58 PM
So, allong the same lines, what is the best stateside base you have been to? I'm about to get a BOP and I haven't got any clue as to where I want to go.

I loved Pease, but I was only there for a few weeks and it's been closed for a long time now.

F4CrewChick
09-13-2010, 08:09 PM
I actually really think Travis is great--location-wise, anyway. An hour from San Francisco, 2 hours from Tahoe/Reno, 35 minutes from Napa/Sonoma wineries, tons of stuff to do less than an hour away. Nice weather. Lots of CONUS bases make me wish I had gone Navy. Of Course Hickam, but it's PACAF

Airborne
09-13-2010, 08:12 PM
It seems a few years ago people were banging the door down to get to Hurlburt/Eglin, now it seems that people cant get out fast enough. Its not a sleepy beach town anymore. Hurlburt's growth has caused the surrounding towns to become quite crowded and there's not enough roads making traffic unbearable especially during the summer.

I know quite a few people who have called Sheppard and Keesler hidden gems. I have only been to those in short bursts but have done what Im sure lots of people have done when they pass through somewhere on leave just to check it out or on a TDY and you say to yourself "I woulndn't mind being stationed here" just based on stopping at the shopette or the library. Obviously the day to day mission can make or break a base even one in a desirable location.

F4CrewChick
09-13-2010, 09:04 PM
It seems a few years ago people were banging the door down to get to Hurlburt/Eglin, now it seems that people cant get out fast enough. Its not a sleepy beach town anymore. Hurlburt's growth has caused the surrounding towns to become quite crowded and there's not enough roads making traffic unbearable especially during the summer.
The hurricanes are a pleasant distraction and then there's the bugs.

I know quite a few people who have called Sheppard and Keesler hidden gems. Sheppard is an A-One shithole. Keesler is a hidden gem but Katrina was pretty devastating. All of the beachfront at Hiway 90 is still pretty wrecked. It took more than two years to get the 90 bridge re-built and you have to drive to Alabama for good beer but other than that, nice base.

Enigmatic Airman
09-13-2010, 09:16 PM
It seems a few years ago people were banging the door down to get to Hurlburt/Eglin, now it seems that people cant get out fast enough. Its not a sleepy beach town anymore. Hurlburt's growth has caused the surrounding towns to become quite crowded and there's not enough roads making traffic unbearable especially during the summer.

I know quite a few people who have called Sheppard and Keesler hidden gems. I have only been to those in short bursts but have done what Im sure lots of people have done when they pass through somewhere on leave just to check it out or on a TDY and you say to yourself "I woulndn't mind being stationed here" just based on stopping at the shopette or the library. Obviously the day to day mission can make or break a base even one in a desirable location.

Sheeet...Im one of those that cant get out Eglin fast enough. Traffic is retarded and base housing O yeah...bugs galore (And mice, and rats, and wasps, amd mold, and mildew).

Forsaken Wombat
09-13-2010, 09:38 PM
RAF Lakenheath, no mission, the British hated us, no services, commisary sucks, BX sucks, high crime...etc etc.

...Wow, you must be one hard-to-please, miserable person! The British do not hate you, unless you're an arrogant American who mouths off about stupidity like 1776 and "saving your asses from the Germans". The services are numerous - Arts & Crafts shop, Rugby's & Rugby's Too (great coffee and food), Great Little Pizza Place, an incredible ITT and Outdoor Rec program, cheap & decent movie theater (versus paying local rates in Bury or Cambridge), top-notch child centers, great bowling place, a very accessible auto skills and wood skills shop...is that enough, should I go on?

The BX is as you like it; you want Nautica, Levis, and Under Armour in only XXL sizes? That's probably the only drawback to the base. The commissary is one of the largest in the AF, with a fresh Italian restaurant and made-to-order CHEAP deli sandwiches. Crime? Yea, you'll eventually become a statistic if you leave your windows down with your wallet and PSP on the front seat every night like so many Americans do here, especially when parked on the High Street or in a parking garage downtown. C'mon, Son. Crime here is far and few between, usually exaggerated x10 by us Americans (thinking you hear someone outside near your car at night when it's actually the neighbor's cat turns into "OMG dude I totally chased three guys off with a crowbar last night off-base who were gonna steal my car..." at the shop the next morning).

And you can't put "etc, etc" on the end of a few weak points and expect it to be the killer debate touch...come on.

Anyhow, Lakenheath & Mildenhall are both great bases with fantastic off-duty opportunities. Unless you go there as an arrogant American who lives only for on-base stuff & whose idea of European travel is the McDonald's @ Picadilly in London.

WPNS
09-13-2010, 09:43 PM
LOL, come on down to Luke buddy, but then again, we have SB1070 now, or at least a variant of it. But, now you can get a million dollar home for about 250K. Too bad for those of us that have been here awhile and gave our houses back to Fannie Mae, and yes, didn't WE bail them out? And now they are sticking it to the common folks......


Nellis hands down! The base has several different Wings so it's hard to tell who is in charge. The Weapons School and Thunderbirds rule the base, everyone else is second place. .

Las Vegas is a very dirty, high crime city. Crime is close to the Base and it's not unusual to hear gun fire from base housing. Traffic is insane, the track just makes it worse on race week. I won't even get into the Clark County school system, where illegal's have more rights than your kids will.

Airborne
09-13-2010, 09:46 PM
^^^ +1 Pretty much everything he said regarding Mildenhall/Lakenheath.

Nickymaz
09-13-2010, 10:08 PM
LOL, come on down to Luke buddy, but then again, we have SB1070 now, or at least a variant of it. But, now you can get a million dollar home for about 250K. Too bad for those of us that have been here awhile and gave our houses back to Fannie Mae, and yes, didn't WE bail them out? And now they are sticking it to the common folks......

I'm just down the I-10 at Davis-Monthan. I really like it here, the base is nice with lots of units (12 AF/612 AOC/355 FW/55 ECG/563 RQG). Tucson is nice, lots of outdoor activities, resurtants and things to do. Some parts are run down and there is crime like any major city. The heat is unreal but at least it's not as bad as Phoenix. Overall I'm very satisfied with this assignment and I'd recommend it to anyone.

Shrike
09-13-2010, 10:20 PM
I'm just down the I-10 at Davis-Monthan. I really like it here, the base is nice with lots of units (12 AF/612 AOC/355 FW/55 ECG/563 RQG). Tucson is nice, lots of outdoor activities, resurtants and things to do. Some parts are run down and there is crime like any major city. The heat is unreal but at least it's not as bad as Phoenix. Overall I'm very satisfied with this assignment and I'd recommend it to anyone.
I was at D-M in the early '90s, and it was a nice place. There was lots to do in Tucson. The heat, though...that's the one thing I would change.

Airborne
09-13-2010, 10:23 PM
Lets not talk about rednecks. I'm at Pope now and I have never seen so many brother-cousins and uncle-dads in my life lol.

I thought Pope was closed/closing?????

F4CrewChick
09-13-2010, 10:24 PM
I was at D-M in the early '90s, and it was a nice place. There was lots to do in Tucson. The heat, though...that's the one thing I would change.Yes the heat can be oppressive but there is the swimming-in-town in the morning and skiing Mt. Lemmon in the Afternoon. The hiking is really great in the Catalinas.

Shrike
09-13-2010, 10:34 PM
Yes the heat can be oppressive but there is the swimming-in-town in the morning and skiing Mt. Lemmon in the Afternoon. The hiking is really great in the Catalinas.

And don't forget UA coeds all over the place.

Good times...

:)

JUSTINCASE876
09-13-2010, 10:46 PM
does anyone know what Robins is like?

F4CrewChick
09-14-2010, 03:48 AM
And don't forget UA coeds all over the place.

Good times...

:)Ah, Dirtbags, JJ Nichols, The Buffet, The Wildcat House...and the Lesbian bars for good measure.

F4CrewChick
09-14-2010, 03:56 AM
does anyone know what Robins is like?Hot..........

Forsaken Wombat
09-14-2010, 06:33 AM
does anyone know what Robins is like?

Hey, I was born & raised in Warner Robins, GA, my family's work revolving around the base. Here's what you should know...

- The base is extremely loaded with civilians; depending on how you feel about it/your past experiences with civilians in the military, this can be a love it or hate it situation. But whatever your take on it is, you WILL have to work around/with civilians (both blue collar and white collar variety).

- There's the 78th Airbase Wing, the WRALC, the Georgia ANG, the Reserves MAJCOM...basically, you will encounter a lot of turf aggression and "That's not our responsibility" situations. Just gonna have to roll with it.

- Robins AFB is huge; both on a mission scale and...well...literally; the base is freakin' massive. They just built a new commissary to replace the old one (which actually had one-way aisles!), the BX is pretty new with an awesome electronics zone and some decent vendors (just ignore the idiots who stand out front and sell car products), the golf course is great, the pool is alright (at the E-club), they have horse stables, various lakes with some good fishing (eat at your own risk), an extensive nature trail at Luna Lake, camping sites, archery, gun range, hunting zones on base near Horseshoe Creek, a very interesting Museum of Aviation right outside the Russell gate, a decent ITT office, and several other services you'd expect of a big base. I can't attest to the child care/day care centers, and schooling is off-base with the local schools.

- Housing is hit & miss. Some areas are older, others are middle-aged (the houses near Scout Lake used to be the new hotness back in the mid-nineties, but are starting to show their age now), and then some are brand shiny new. There are several off-base gated "villages" that the military leases and in-turn gives to you. If you're single, apartments and rental homes are bountiful, and Warner Robins is a fantastic place to buy/sell a home. It's like the housing fiasco just never even showed its face here.

- Off-base: If there is a fast food restaurant, Warner Robins has it. If there is a casual-eating chain restaurant, Warner Robins has it. If there is an ethnic restaurant, Warner Robins has it...getting it? Your taste buds will not go sad in this place; conversely, your PT score might go south if you take too many trips to Georgia Bob's BBQ or Mellow Mushroom Pizza. And...this is where it kinda goes south. I spent my years from age 3 to age 19 in Warner Robins, with several trips back since my time in the AF...and Warner Robins can be BORING to someone who didn't grow up there. Friday night football is a religion here, with Northside and Warner Robins constantly at each other's throats and gnawing at the polls (their rivalry is one of the top in the nation, with several state & national titles between them). We have one lousy "mall" (Centerville Galleria), various dime-a-dozen clubs/pool halls/bars, and enough strip malls to satisfy your every kitsch shopping desire. The Rec Department has some pretty good sports programs, and the Little League has multiple state/national/world titles under its belt. There are some good movie theaters (new one built out on Highway 96 & Lake Joy is ok), a few Starbucks, a NICE bolwing alley, and some other odds/ends...but the "War-Town" is lacking in extra-curricular establishments for a city of its size and diverse population. If you want more variety, more things to do...head to Macon, Atlanta, or Savannah. But....

- The people are great. You can make friends easy in this town - friends for life - and have a great time just chillin in the parking lot or riding around. If you have a nice car (tuner or muscle) or are getting one, the car club scene in WR is great. Anyways, the people here love the military community and treat them with great respect...and that's also a testament to how well we as military treat this town. The relationship is strong; you'll see "EDIMGIAFAD" on just about every business sign (Every Day in Middle Georgia is Air Force Appreciation Day). To give you an idea...back in '94, Robins was on the BRAC block. Basically the entire city, plus some heavy-hitting politicos, turned up at the Museum of Avation, completed with a massive US flag hung from a FREAKIN' CRANE, to tell the BRAC visitors "You've Got The Wrong Base, Baby" (official slogan). All economics/political arguments/self-preservation arguments aside, it just goes to show how much people appreciate this base and everyone who's on it.

In summary, Robins and the city is a great place, whether you're single or married w/kids. There are some negative aspects, but the positives are strong enough to make this place work, even though the base leadership is like a multi-headed hydra-monster Kracken screamin' from some abyss.

Desert King
09-14-2010, 08:31 AM
Does anybody have info on Bolling AFB? I havent met anyone that has actually been stationed there.

RAFLblues
09-14-2010, 09:37 AM
...Wow, you must be one hard-to-please, miserable person! The British do not hate you, unless you're an arrogant American who mouths off about stupidity like 1776 and "saving your asses from the Germans". The services are numerous - Arts & Crafts shop, Rugby's & Rugby's Too (great coffee and food), Great Little Pizza Place, an incredible ITT and Outdoor Rec program, cheap & decent movie theater (versus paying local rates in Bury or Cambridge), top-notch child centers, great bowling place, a very accessible auto skills and wood skills shop...is that enough, should I go on?

The BX is as you like it; you want Nautica, Levis, and Under Armour in only XXL sizes? That's probably the only drawback to the base. The commissary is one of the largest in the AF, with a fresh Italian restaurant and made-to-order CHEAP deli sandwiches. Crime? Yea, you'll eventually become a statistic if you leave your windows down with your wallet and PSP on the front seat every night like so many Americans do here, especially when parked on the High Street or in a parking garage downtown. C'mon, Son. Crime here is far and few between, usually exaggerated x10 by us Americans (thinking you hear someone outside near your car at night when it's actually the neighbor's cat turns into "OMG dude I totally chased three guys off with a crowbar last night off-base who were gonna steal my car..." at the shop the next morning).

And you can't put "etc, etc" on the end of a few weak points and expect it to be the killer debate touch...come on.

Anyhow, Lakenheath & Mildenhall are both great bases with fantastic off-duty opportunities. Unless you go there as an arrogant American who lives only for on-base stuff & whose idea of European travel is the McDonald's @ Picadilly in London.

Attack the Idea not the individual, I am not miserable or a typical loud american, I shopped off-base till the COLA dropped to $75 a month. I traveled all over from Scotland to Stonehenge. I had a couple English friends that I am still in contact with today. Rugby's is terrible. I went there at least 10 times and every time even when it was not busy it took 45 minutes to get an egg bap sandwich that had dark crusty bits on it from the grill they never clean. You are correct about The Great Little Pizza Place, that place is fantastic. I lived in 2 diffrent houses off-base while I was there and had both my american and english cars broken into at each location. They stole some tools, none of which were on the front seat. They were in the locked trunk. When I called the local constulbary they told me since it had rained since the crime happened they were not going to come out and do anything. Just took a report, 3 days later they called back and told me they were closing the case. Also while I was there there was MASSIVE amounts of americans having their credit card numbers ripped off from AAFES. My idea of European travel was the trips to Dublin, Edinburgh, Paris, Germany, Whales, and Norway. All problems I had while I was stationed in Europe were RAFL related. Maybe I had a one off bad expierience. But I did expierience it and don't attack me because it differs from yours and I have a diffrent opinion.

RAFLblues
09-14-2010, 09:48 AM
Was at Mildenhall, with a great mission, the British dont hate us, the services and bx suck, but you can get fresh local food off base better than anything on base or even in the states, and the crime was no different than anything you would experience in Anytown, USA. I didnt even shop on base the last year or so I was there. I wish I would have figured some of those things out earlier.

Some of the food in the local area was fantastic, I always enjoyed going to Dragon House in Mildenhall High Town. I still love to eat Bangers and Mash. My main complaint was with RAFL and that of the local British populace. I was told once to leave a pub in Worlington as soon as I walked in, as they said "we don't serve you f*cking americans here, GTFO". I was not dressed as an american or a hoody. Again, I did like England, and the rest of Europe. RAFL is a zit on the AF's Bum.

Wouldkillforthisjob
09-14-2010, 12:31 PM
I loved Pease, but I was only there for a few weeks and it's been closed for a long time now.

Man, I would have loved to be able to go to Pease. I'm from NH. Too bad they had to close it to AD.

Wouldkillforthisjob
09-14-2010, 12:36 PM
I thought Pope was closed/closing?????

It is closing (kind of.) There will still be some AD people here because the base is becoming Pope Field and the mission is staying, but the 43rd AW will be the 43rd Airlift Group. I'm leaving though, and thats why i'm getting a BOP. Haven't even been here a year and they are moving me again....

Nickymaz
09-14-2010, 02:17 PM
Does anybody have info on Bolling AFB? I havent met anyone that has actually been stationed there.

Bolling is located in the Anacostia area of Washington DC. It's the home of the USAF Band and Honor Guard and the Defense Intelligence Agency. The base is really nice since it's mostly housing for Generals who work at the Pentagon but the area around the base is not so nice. I'd opt to live elsewhere in DC, MD or Northern VA. I also believe its being turned into a joint base under the Anacostia Naval Station next door.

mr smap beeve
09-14-2010, 02:22 PM
In summary, Robins and the city is a great place, whether you're single or married w/kids. There are some negative aspects, but the positives are strong enough to make this place work, even though the base leadership is like a multi-headed hydra-monster Kracken screamin' from some abyss.

I grew up in Warner Robins too and I can only tolerate that place in small amounts at a time, seriously. The overall base is alright, but outside that place is a town filled with a lot of garbage people. Branching out into Kathleen and Bonaire are nice places but all those fools who scream "WAR TOWN BABY" and go nuts for Sweet Home Alabama as if it were their national anthem at Kippers and Wiskey River are about as awesome as a once used rubber fist for sale on craigslist.

Maybe growing up there and going back to visit the few friends that actually decided to do something else with their lives other than wait tables at Applebees or Cheddars has made it not a favorable place for me. Plus the amounts of meth running through that town makes it less favorable for me.

Airborne
09-14-2010, 05:01 PM
Hey, I was born & raised in Warner Robins, GA, my family's work revolving around the base. Here's what you should know...
- Housing is hit & miss. Some areas are older, others are middle-aged (the houses near Scout Lake used to be the new hotness back in the mid-nineties, but are starting to show their age now), and then some are brand shiny new. There are several off-base gated "villages" that the military leases and in-turn gives to you. If you're single, apartments and rental homes are bountiful, and Warner Robins is a fantastic place to buy/sell a home. It's like the housing fiasco just never even showed its face here.

- Off-base: If there is a fast food restaurant, Warner Robins has it. If there is a casual-eating chain restaurant, Warner Robins has it. If there is an ethnic restaurant, Warner Robins has it...getting it? Your taste buds will not go sad in this place; conversely, your PT score might go south if you take too many trips to Georgia Bob's BBQ or Mellow Mushroom Pizza. And...this is where it kinda goes south. I spent my years from age 3 to age 19 in Warner Robins, with several trips back since my time in the AF...and Warner Robins can be BORING to someone who didn't grow up there. Friday night football is a religion here, with Northside and Warner Robins constantly at each other's throats and gnawing at the polls (their rivalry is one of the top in the nation, with several state & national titles between them). We have one lousy "mall" (Centerville Galleria), various dime-a-dozen clubs/pool halls/bars, and enough strip malls to satisfy your every kitsch shopping desire. The Rec Department has some pretty good sports programs, and the Little League has multiple state/national/world titles under its belt. There are some good movie theaters (new one built out on Highway 96 & Lake Joy is ok), a few Starbucks, a NICE bolwing alley, and some other odds/ends...but the "War-Town" is lacking in extra-curricular establishments for a city of its size and diverse population. If you want more variety, more things to do...head to Macon, Atlanta, or Savannah. But....

- The people are great. You can make friends easy in this town - friends for life - and have a great time just chillin in the parking lot or riding around. If you have a nice car (tuner or muscle) or are getting one, the car club scene in WR is great. Anyways, the people here love the military community and treat them with great respect...and that's also a testament to how well we as military treat this town. The relationship is strong; you'll see "EDIMGIAFAD" on just about every business sign (Every Day in Middle Georgia is Air Force Appreciation Day). To give you an idea...back in '94, Robins was on the BRAC block. Basically the entire city, plus some heavy-hitting politicos, turned up at the Museum of Avation, completed with a massive US flag hung from a FREAKIN' CRANE, to tell the BRAC visitors "You've Got The Wrong Base, Baby" (official slogan). All economics/political arguments/self-preservation arguments aside, it just goes to show how much people appreciate this base and everyone who's on it.

In summary, Robins and the city is a great place, whether you're single or married w/kids. There are some negative aspects, but the positives are strong enough to make this place work, even though the base leadership is like a multi-headed hydra-monster Kracken screamin' from some abyss.


With a few variations here and there...this is basically a description of any CONUS AFB especially the off base part. It seems most towns have varying degrees of a mediocre mall, strip malls, casual eating chains, hit or miss schools, nice people and a bigger and better town two or so hours away. I could probably name 5 bases in 5 seconds that fit the description. However I could probably name 5 that dont so go figure.

Forsaken Wombat
09-14-2010, 05:10 PM
RAF Lakenheath, no mission, the British hated us, no services, commisary sucks, BX sucks, high crime...etc etc.




Attack the Idea not the individual, I am not miserable or a typical loud american, I shopped off-base till the COLA dropped to $75 a month. I traveled all over from Scotland to Stonehenge. I had a couple English friends that I am still in contact with today. Rugby's is terrible. I went there at least 10 times and every time even when it was not busy it took 45 minutes to get an egg bap sandwich that had dark crusty bits on it from the grill they never clean. You are correct about The Great Little Pizza Place, that place is fantastic. I lived in 2 diffrent houses off-base while I was there and had both my american and english cars broken into at each location. They stole some tools, none of which were on the front seat. They were in the locked trunk. When I called the local constulbary they told me since it had rained since the crime happened they were not going to come out and do anything. Just took a report, 3 days later they called back and told me they were closing the case. Also while I was there there was MASSIVE amounts of americans having their credit card numbers ripped off from AAFES. My idea of European travel was the trips to Dublin, Edinburgh, Paris, Germany, Whales, and Norway. All problems I had while I was stationed in Europe were RAFL related. Maybe I had a one off bad expierience. But I did expierience it and don't attack me because it differs from yours and I have a diffrent opinion.

Do you see the difference between your two posts, your two opinions? Speak your mind like you did in the second paragraph and you won't leave yourself open to getting called out for being vague/general/biased.

Forsaken Wombat
09-14-2010, 05:19 PM
With a few variations here and there...this is basically a description of any CONUS AFB especially the off base part. It seems most towns have varying degrees of a mediocre mall, strip malls, casual eating chains, hit or miss schools, nice people and a bigger and better town two or so hours away. I could probably name 5 bases in 5 seconds that fit the description. However I could probably name 5 that dont so go figure.

I'm guessing you don't have a lot of experience with CONUS assignments. Trust me...this is not a description of any CONUS base. Robins is not like Nellis; Nellis is not like Lackland; Lackland is not like Minot. Each base and its surroundings are unique...hence the very reason this thread is existing.

=D!!!

imported_Sgt HULK
09-14-2010, 05:26 PM
SHaw AFB sucks, schools are terrible scumter exists because the base is there. if you want anything other then walmart your looking at an hr drive to get anything.

Osan was pretty cool, but i liked Korea so thats on you

Keesler not too bad

sheppard is a shithole like shaw

Patrick is a paradise if your looking for beach , island lifestyle. everyone complained of old people but i never had an issue

Airborne
09-14-2010, 06:08 PM
No, I havent been to every single CONUS base like you have, but I have been to quite a few including Nellis. And if you read the post carefully, I started the post off with "a few variations here and there". Yes every base has a different mission and a different personality. And for every Nellis, Lackland, or Davis-Monthan, there is a Cannon, Holloman, or Edwards. But answer this question to yourself...how many bases can you drive out of the gate and within 10-15 minutes be at Olive Garden, Chilis, Applebees, McDonalds, Wendy's etc? Sure not every single one, but I would bet a few dollars that there are more that fit that description than not. There are more bases near an Anytown, USA than there is near a major or even "mid-major" metropolitan city.

WPNS
09-14-2010, 10:38 PM
I'm just down the I-10 at Davis-Monthan. I really like it here, the base is nice with lots of units (12 AF/612 AOC/355 FW/55 ECG/563 RQG). Tucson is nice, lots of outdoor activities, resurtants and things to do. Some parts are run down and there is crime like any major city. The heat is unreal but at least it's not as bad as Phoenix. Overall I'm very satisfied with this assignment and I'd recommend it to anyone.

And it only gets worse every summer, it's not really a "dry heat" anymore. 117 with 25-30% humidity is a sum-of-a-bitch. Plus it's always nice watching the 10 o'clock news and seeing it's still 107 outside!!

onyx
09-14-2010, 11:25 PM
I love being at DM. Little Rock sucks. I think they put every hilly billy moron in one place.

VFFSSGT
09-14-2010, 11:47 PM
SHaw AFB sucks, schools are terrible scumter exists because the base is there. if you want anything other then walmart your looking at an hr drive to get anything.

Hey, I knew Sumter with NO super Wal-Mart, No Golden Corral, No Chilis, No IHOP...etc. All of that came up just a few years ago... At least it has improved some....can't speak to the schools though. But don't doubt that opinion...lol

VFFSSGT
09-14-2010, 11:58 PM
All economics/political arguments/self-preservation arguments aside, it just goes to show how much people appreciate this base and everyone who's on it.

I especially like that 90% of the businesses in the area have "EDIMGIAFAD" posted on them and 95% of those do NOT even offer a military discount. Some Appreciation.

I think they appreciate the 30,000 unionized civil service jobs.

Nickymaz
09-15-2010, 01:35 AM
I love being at DM. Little Rock sucks. I think they put every hilly billy moron in one place.

Little Rock was actually my first assignment. I lived in downtown LR, which is much more entertaining than Cabot. If I went back I'd live in the Hillcrest area of Little Rock. Overall LR wasn't that bad and I wouldn't mind going back

AF Chief
09-15-2010, 01:41 AM
My favorite base in 26 years has been Kadena AB, Okinawa, Japan. I am on my second tour. I would venture to say there are a lot of people that disagree...especially Maintenance folks.

My least favorite base was Offutt AFB, NE. Cold as hell during the winter.

ChiefB
09-15-2010, 02:40 AM
Hey, I was born & raised in Warner Robins, GA, my family's work revolving around the base. Here's what you should know...

- The base is extremely loaded with civilians; depending on how you feel about it/your past experiences with civilians in the military, this can be a love it or hate it situation. But whatever your take on it is, you WILL have to work around/with civilians (both blue collar and white collar variety).

- There's the 78th Airbase Wing, the WRALC, the Georgia ANG, the Reserves MAJCOM...basically, you will encounter a lot of turf aggression and "That's not our responsibility" situations. Just gonna have to roll with it.

- Robins AFB is huge; both on a mission scale and...well...literally; the base is freakin' massive. They just built a new commissary to replace the old one (which actually had one-way aisles!), the BX is pretty new with an awesome electronics zone and some decent vendors (just ignore the idiots who stand out front and sell car products), the golf course is great, the pool is alright (at the E-club), they have horse stables, various lakes with some good fishing (eat at your own risk), an extensive nature trail at Luna Lake, camping sites, archery, gun range, hunting zones on base near Horseshoe Creek, a very interesting Museum of Aviation right outside the Russell gate, a decent ITT office, and several other services you'd expect of a big base. I can't attest to the child care/day care centers, and schooling is off-base with the local schools.

- Housing is hit & miss. Some areas are older, others are middle-aged (the houses near Scout Lake used to be the new hotness back in the mid-nineties, but are starting to show their age now), and then some are brand shiny new. There are several off-base gated "villages" that the military leases and in-turn gives to you. If you're single, apartments and rental homes are bountiful, and Warner Robins is a fantastic place to buy/sell a home. It's like the housing fiasco just never even showed its face here.

- Off-base: If there is a fast food restaurant, Warner Robins has it. If there is a casual-eating chain restaurant, Warner Robins has it. If there is an ethnic restaurant, Warner Robins has it...getting it? Your taste buds will not go sad in this place; conversely, your PT score might go south if you take too many trips to Georgia Bob's BBQ or Mellow Mushroom Pizza. And...this is where it kinda goes south. I spent my years from age 3 to age 19 in Warner Robins, with several trips back since my time in the AF...and Warner Robins can be BORING to someone who didn't grow up there. Friday night football is a religion here, with Northside and Warner Robins constantly at each other's throats and gnawing at the polls (their rivalry is one of the top in the nation, with several state & national titles between them). We have one lousy "mall" (Centerville Galleria), various dime-a-dozen clubs/pool halls/bars, and enough strip malls to satisfy your every kitsch shopping desire. The Rec Department has some pretty good sports programs, and the Little League has multiple state/national/world titles under its belt. There are some good movie theaters (new one built out on Highway 96 & Lake Joy is ok), a few Starbucks, a NICE bolwing alley, and some other odds/ends...but the "War-Town" is lacking in extra-curricular establishments for a city of its size and diverse population. If you want more variety, more things to do...head to Macon, Atlanta, or Savannah. But....

- The people are great. You can make friends easy in this town - friends for life - and have a great time just chillin in the parking lot or riding around. If you have a nice car (tuner or muscle) or are getting one, the car club scene in WR is great. Anyways, the people here love the military community and treat them with great respect...and that's also a testament to how well we as military treat this town. The relationship is strong; you'll see "EDIMGIAFAD" on just about every business sign (Every Day in Middle Georgia is Air Force Appreciation Day). To give you an idea...back in '94, Robins was on the BRAC block. Basically the entire city, plus some heavy-hitting politicos, turned up at the Museum of Avation, completed with a massive US flag hung from a FREAKIN' CRANE, to tell the BRAC visitors "You've Got The Wrong Base, Baby" (official slogan). All economics/political arguments/self-preservation arguments aside, it just goes to show how much people appreciate this base and everyone who's on it.

In summary, Robins and the city is a great place, whether you're single or married w/kids. There are some negative aspects, but the positives are strong enough to make this place work, even though the base leadership is like a multi-headed hydra-monster Kracken screamin' from some abyss.

Now, that's what I call an endorsement!


DM is a beautiful base, multi-missioned and some of the best facilities anywhere.

Keesler is in a wonderful location and rebuilding basically from scratch.

Hickam is the pride of PACAF, neat as a pin and in paradise, people are the best and the facilities are world class. Chief's housing/quarters are mostly WWII, unique and spacious. Off base is crowded, expensive and reaching critical mass. Traffic is worse now than DFW.

Ramstein, Germany is about the best in Europe for mission, facilities, recreation, the people, and of course...easy access to...OKtoberfest!

I loved Mildenhall/Lakenheath bases and local area (Bury St. Edmunds was wonderful) and back in the day Alconbury and Bentwaters were great.

Spangdalem has always sucked, big time. Bad Karma at that base.

Incirlik has a busy mission and some good facilities but sucks for location unless you are an anthropologist.

Elmendorf and Eielson AFBs in Alaska are wonderful locations for recreation and the facilities are very good. Best salmon fishing on the planet, nirvana for hunters and bushwackers.

Minot and Ellsworth always sucked weatherwise...but great assignments to save money. Mission has always been onerous. Used to pull alert at both locations on occasion.

I thought Offutt was a great assignment... best of facilities, huge housing area, great hospital, club, education center, good neighborhoods in Bellevue and not too much traffic. Multi-missioned and great opportunities to network and advance.

Then there's always my favorite... Soesterberg Air Base, (Camp New Amsterdam) Netherlands.... but, alas, that's closed now.

WeaponsTSGT
09-15-2010, 02:45 AM
Either the entire AF has turned into a bunch of whiners or people aren't pcsing near as much. If you didn't name Minot, Shaw or CANNON, or haven't been there then you don't know hardship. Please...Nellis and Lakenheath

VFFSSGT
09-15-2010, 02:49 AM
Either the entire AF has turned into a bunch of whiners or people aren't pcsing near as much. If you didn't name Minot, Shaw or CANNON, or haven't been there then you don't know hardship. Please...Nellis and Lakenheath

I would say a little of both. I had a Airmen complain the other day he did not have his own computer...I about flipped a lid.

People are also not PCS'ing as much either since the AF is trying to save money. 4 years min for CONUS/CONUS and 2 for CONUS/OCONUS....

ChiefB
09-15-2010, 03:00 AM
I would say a little of both. I had a Airmen complain the other day he did not have his own computer...I about flipped a lid.

People are also not PCS'ing as much either since the AF is trying to save money. 4 years min for CONUS/CONUS and 2 for CONUS/OCONUS....

There's an old saying: "The best assignments I ever had was the one I left and the one I'm going to."

CivEng
09-15-2010, 04:24 AM
Home is where you make it. Some people just cannot adapt to new environments. I had an airmen tell me they hated their overseas assignment because there was no Walmart.

Soundhound
09-15-2010, 04:48 AM
Best: defiantly Mildenhall. I lived in three different houses in three different towns Newmarket...Islam and Bury St. Edmunds. Had someone vandalize my car once, but that was it. It can happen anywhere although, if your in Brandon and some parts of Thetford take all your stuff in with you. Our mission was great we would go TDY all over Europe until the wars kicked off. I even married a Brit. Made some lifelong friends out here as well. The key was to get out and socialize. Im trying like hell to get back, but i'm on my way to Langley next month with mixed emotions.

Worst: Goodfellow what a joke... the term "embrace the suck" comes to mind. I mostly hate it due to it being in Texass...I wish it would secede from the union so we could go to war with it, and use it for our radiological waste dump site. Nothing would really change here, you would still have uneducated inbred rednecks who believe that humans and dinosaurs share the same timeline, pregnant women with beer on their breath, and kids with web feet and funky eyes. There is nothing here and its hot as hell. The Base is a training base so you have to put up with the AETC crap. Most of the base is civilian so the thats not my job rule applies everywhere. There are over 8000 students with nothing to do but get into trouble. Leadership well...same as it ever was. Powerpoint over people. In San Angelo the people although, i will say they Love the military are full of that Texass thing, that weird overreaching machismo bible thumping teabag patriot thing. Its hard to explain, but its freaking annoying! Most of the town is rundown and desolate. The one shining aspect about this place is the Cork and Pig restaurant...Awesome!

Tooltime
09-15-2010, 06:06 AM
Best: Well - looks like I'm going to be the "odd man out". Minot is my favorite assignment, with Elmendorf being a close second. This was during the "post Alert" and "pre-incident" years, so I'm sure that has something to do with it - but this was a place where family, work, local community, and outdoor activities just "clicked". The memories I have of working on the Best Aircraft in the AF (B-52) and the freinds I made there will last a lifetime. The city of Minot had a lot to offer, and there was very little crime. The wind chill was terrible in the winter and the mosquitos were really bad in the summer - but the hunting/fishing was incredible. We worked a lot of 12-hour days, but were rewarded with comp time whenever practical. Every year - opening day of the gun season for Whitetails was a "family day". I spent 7 years at Minot, and the only reason I didn't put in for another 5-year controlled tour was the fear of putting my request on AFPC's desk - getting turned down - and getting quick orders out of there. Ultimately, I received orders to Korea - and took follow-on orders to my worst assignment...Shaw.

Shaw was a place that just didn't know how to tell Big AF that enough was enough. I worked in two AMU's over 3 years and there wasn't much difference. 12-hour days were the standard on the flightline in terrible heat/humidity. At first, the shifts revolved around the flying schedules so you may report at 0700/Monday, 0900/Tuesday, 0630/Wednesday, etc. Weekend duty was a guarantee at least monthly, and we were always on the hook for weekend missions for things like Darlington Raceway flyovers, Alert, CAP, etc. Production Superintendents were OK with following tech data as long as it didn't interfere with the flying schedule or exceed the "4-hour fix rate", and frequently sought out the technicians who had been beaten into submission/would sign off anything as long as they got to see their family once and a while. I was once involved with a re-enactment for the MXG Commander who needed to see exactly how an excellent SrA accidentally damaged an aircraft part when it was bumped off of his toolbox and fell about 20" to the ground. After completing a "Root Cause Analysis" report and interviews with the Chief, OIC, and Commander - this SrA was required to demonstrate how the $800 part was damaged and apologized (he had to sign out the toolbox in question and set up the demo area under an overhang since it was raining - otherwise it would have been on the exact parking spot). The MXG/CC then proceded to ask the SrA how his wife would feel if he received $800 less in his paycheck this month - in front of his entire chain of command. He told him that he wasn't going to take his money (this time), but just wanted to prove a point. This SrA, who previously had no prior offenses was certain that he wasn't going to re-enlist if that is how you were treated when accidents happened. This is a good representation of how things operated at Shaw during my time there. I have never seen more Korea volunteers before or since, with the hopes that their follow-ons would not be redirected back there. It was extremely discouraging to be a Section Chief and have 80 members looking to you for some relief - but understood that I was living the same life with the problems hovering well over my pay grade. I've had a few new troops arrive from Shaw recently, and it doesn't sound like much has changed. Good times...

HydroMagic
09-15-2010, 09:58 AM
There's an old saying: "The best assignments I ever had was the one I left and the one I'm going to."

LOL...not always true...when I was at Yokota I preferred it more than the previous assignment (Dyess) and I did not look forward to the upcoming assignment (Minot). The best assignment was right where I was at :ohwell

With that said, I haven't been in Yokota in 2010, but that was a kick a$$ assignment. Great culture experience, awesome mission and TDY's, good people, infinite things to do, and the COLA to do it!

imported_Sgt HULK
09-15-2010, 01:56 PM
Best: Well - looks like I'm going to be the "odd man out". Minot is my favorite assignment, with Elmendorf being a close second. This was during the "post Alert" and "pre-incident" years, so I'm sure that has something to do with it - but this was a place where family, work, local community, and outdoor activities just "clicked". The memories I have of working on the Best Aircraft in the AF (B-52) and the freinds I made there will last a lifetime. The city of Minot had a lot to offer, and there was very little crime. The wind chill was terrible in the winter and the mosquitos were really bad in the summer - but the hunting/fishing was incredible. We worked a lot of 12-hour days, but were rewarded with comp time whenever practical. Every year - opening day of the gun season for Whitetails was a "family day". I spent 7 years at Minot, and the only reason I didn't put in for another 5-year controlled tour was the fear of putting my request on AFPC's desk - getting turned down - and getting quick orders out of there. Ultimately, I received orders to Korea - and took follow-on orders to my worst assignment...Shaw.

Shaw was a place that just didn't know how to tell Big AF that enough was enough. I worked in two AMU's over 3 years and there wasn't much difference. 12-hour days were the standard on the flightline in terrible heat/humidity. At first, the shifts revolved around the flying schedules so you may report at 0700/Monday, 0900/Tuesday, 0630/Wednesday, etc. Weekend duty was a guarantee at least monthly, and we were always on the hook for weekend missions for things like Darlington Raceway flyovers, Alert, CAP, etc. Production Superintendents were OK with following tech data as long as it didn't interfere with the flying schedule or exceed the "4-hour fix rate", and frequently sought out the technicians who had been beaten into submission/would sign off anything as long as they got to see their family once and a while. I was once involved with a re-enactment for the MXG Commander who needed to see exactly how an excellent SrA accidentally damaged an aircraft part when it was bumped off of his toolbox and fell about 20" to the ground. After completing a "Root Cause Analysis" report and interviews with the Chief, OIC, and Commander - this SrA was required to demonstrate how the $800 part was damaged and apologized (he had to sign out the toolbox in question and set up the demo area under an overhang since it was raining - otherwise it would have been on the exact parking spot). The MXG/CC then proceded to ask the SrA how his wife would feel if he received $800 less in his paycheck this month - in front of his entire chain of command. He told him that he wasn't going to take his money (this time), but just wanted to prove a point. This SrA, who previously had no prior offenses was certain that he wasn't going to re-enlist if that is how you were treated when accidents happened. This is a good representation of how things operated at Shaw during my time there. I have never seen more Korea volunteers before or since, with the hopes that their follow-ons would not be redirected back there. It was extremely discouraging to be a Section Chief and have 80 members looking to you for some relief - but understood that I was living the same life with the problems hovering well over my pay grade. I've had a few new troops arrive from Shaw recently, and it doesn't sound like much has changed. Good times...


Your experience was spot on, I actually recall that story about shaw, to this date, i now have 17 friends that are civilains that got out of the usaf because they couldnt even get orders to Korea to Leave. It was common events to see the new airman put Korea on their dream sheet within 2 weeks of arriving in shop, WHen I left the turnaround wasnt even 12 months lol, there were guys on station less then a yr with Orders to Korea and follows ons elsewhere. Nothing mattered there but jets in the air, My neighbor was told he couldnt go to the hospital to be with his wife during thier first kids birth until he completed cams lol. 77th was good times I heard.

Demaskee
09-16-2010, 08:22 PM
The best locations can be terrible if you have a bad shop. Conversely, the worst locations can become the best with a great shop.

My advice is to bloom where you are planted. When I was in Texas I learned to two step, ride atvs and shoot. When I was in Japan, I got my scuba license and delved into the culture. Now I am in DC, if you're bored here you have issues.

sweep_the_leg
09-16-2010, 09:49 PM
I can't think of a place where I just felt happy or content for the entire time of my tour. But overall I'd have to say Misawa was my favorite assignment, and for the most part it was for the experiences I had when not at work and/or outside the gates. Lots of great festivals. Food was awesome. The people were very hospitable; if you tried to speak Japanese, they were even nicer. My first son was born there, and the Japanese adore kids. We had a good time with neighbors/co-workers off-duty. Work was good sometimes, other times it wasn't. Lots of snow in the winter, but in my mind it wasn't ridiculously cold.

Worst? I will get a lot of disagreements, but it was Kunsan. Not having the family there sucked. Wing CC was fired 3 months after I got there. This made all leadership very nervous, hence micro-managerial in nature. Routinely putting in long hours was essentially an unwritten rule (hey, your family isn't here. You don't have anything better to do, right??). Just getting to Osan was a $25.00 bus ride unless you knew a SNCO/officer that had a car. Couldn't get away from something that said "Wolf Pack" or had the wolf cranium on it. It's a fighter base, so the folks wearing the long zippers were pricks. The most fun I had there, believe it or not, was during the OREs. Those weeks went by quick! I know everyone has a different experience when they go, but I certainly won't be volunteering to go back.

BigT2002
09-16-2010, 09:51 PM
Took awhile before I saw mine on here (page 6 and two more on Page 7):

WORST BASE 2010 SHAW AIR FORCE BASE, SC

Base: Absolutely terrible way to treat people at this base. They go through Command Chiefs like they are going out of style because they either retire or end up getting popped for something better when it comes along. This wing is basically a bullet for a Full Bird Wing Commander to get his star if he's a F-16 pilot. Of the three Wing Kings I had there, the first two already have their stars and the third will be getting it VERY shortly. The middle one of those three was also fired because of how he conducted business. I didn't mind it, but his Commanders absolutely hated him because he expected them to...you know..act like Commanders. Entrance into this base hopefully has gotten better. They keep trying to add more crap to the main gate in some attempts to stop someone from coming in that shouldn't be there.

Leadership:[/] The Officers (to include Commanders) get more DUI's than the Enlisted do. However, its swept under the rug whenever one happens, but if an Enlisted is busted they'll be at the gate handing stuff out to cars before they exit the gate.

[i]Facilities: WOW is all I can say. The BX is about the size of a department store in a mall with absolutely nothing in it that someone would actually want to buy unless its something tedious like a hammer or something. You can get the stuff cheaper at Wally World as well. The Commy has the strangest hours I've ever seen for a place they try to encourage members to use. But its never opened on Monday's and it has later hours during the middle of the week and closes super early on Saturday and isn't opened Sunday. WTF? The dry cleaning closed down because no one was using it, and about the only thing that actually makes money around there is the GNC because they have military discount. The movie theater is a waste of time and I think I went to the golf course for food once and it was absolutely terrible. The saving grace for the bowling alley was the food though because no one was ever in there bowling but little kids or people over the age of 60. Lets not even get into the discussion about medical facilities because there simply isn't any. And with what resources they do have, its gets overtaken by the retirees to the point where waiting for prescriptions take all damn day to get filled because there are 80 80 year olds in front of you getting 10+ RX's filled up. The dorms, outside the new one, should of been condemed since they could never keep the HVAC working throughout the months and they were completely littered with cockroaches. From what I could tell with base housing, it was the exact same thing and you didn't even need to mow because your entire backyard was basically a dirt pile. The roads were also poorly maintained throughout the base, and the one main traffic light by the Education Center/Gym wasn't on sensors so you could literally be sitting a red light for 3-5 minutes with no traffic coming through.

Sumter: There is nothing to say about this that can't be said with numbers. Has an extremely high crime rate and is very poverish. The only reason many of the new eateries have sprung up was the influx of military members who make more as an E-3 than 40% of the city does. The doctors at their "regional hospital" don't live in the confines of it for a reason. The ER typically has a 3-4 hour wait before you'll even be seen because of the amount of other crap they deal with on a day to day basis. Their is one Wal Mart that everyone frequents and I would advise no one to go there on payday as it'll be an absolute zoo. The mall has two things worth while, if you're not into urban clothing...Gamestop and Chik-Fil-A. And I believe by now the Gamestop should be located near their Five Guys across the street from Arby's. Their dealerships are truly stealerships and I would not do business with them at any means if you can avoid it. However, you are so limited when it comes to car repair areas because most are shady as hell. Can't buy booze at all on Sunday's to include in the eateries and Blue Law means you can't buy anything outside of groceries on Sunday until 1300. You are in the bible belt afterall!

Best thing about Shaw was leaving there.

RAFLblues
09-20-2010, 11:14 AM
Do you see the difference between your two posts, your two opinions? Speak your mind like you did in the second paragraph and you won't leave yourself open to getting called out for being vague/general/biased.

Point taken. There is still no need for name calling, you meany head.:lol:lol

curious
09-22-2010, 11:54 PM
I just skipped to the end to post my reply. I'll go back and read up on all the posts after.

BAD: I was stationed at Mountain Home AFB in Idaho and it was HORRID! Balls hot in the summer, crazy cold in the winter, and the wind is unFUCKINGbelievable year round! Getting from the town of Mountain Home to the base is about 11 miles (if I remember correctly) and there is nothing. It's one long and depressing drive to base! On midshift I would pray for someone to hit my jeep with their vehicle so I could delay my arrival to work. The town itself is about 11,000 people I think. Most of which is military stationed there. The only place to go to was the 24hr walmart, lol. Really, that town had nothing! Boise was about 45 minutes away. Boise wasn't too bad, but who wants to live over an hour away from base? Also, Mt. Home is a black hole. People get stuck there for YEARS!

GOOD: Elmendorf AFB (also now known as JBER- joint base Elmendorf-Richardson) in Alaska is good. I like it here. Last summer it hit 90! Not typical of Alaska summers, but it was sunny all summer and averaged in the 70-80 range. Good summers make up for bad winters. I LOVE having day light all the time! This summer sucked though. Rainy and foggy all summer, so this winter will be pretty bad. Yes it's dark during the winter, but just catch a space-a flight to Hawaii during winter and you'll recharge your batteries. Anchorage overall isn't bad. Good Korean and Japenese food! The malls suck though. The Diamond area is dangerous, so I always go shopping armed when I go to that mall. The mountains, ocean, and overall landscape of Alaska is AMAZING! With everything bad about this place and my work, the actual "Alaska experience" makes up for everything.

F4CrewChick
09-23-2010, 02:12 AM
Now, that's what I call an endorsement!


DM is a beautiful base, multi-missioned and some of the best facilities anywhere.

Keesler is in a wonderful location and rebuilding basically from scratch.

Hickam is the pride of PACAF, neat as a pin and in paradise, people are the best and the facilities are world class. Chief's housing/quarters are mostly WWII, unique and spacious. Off base is crowded, expensive and reaching critical mass. Traffic is worse now than DFW.

Ramstein, Germany is about the best in Europe for mission, facilities, recreation, the people, and of course...easy access to...OKtoberfest!

I loved Mildenhall/Lakenheath bases and local area (Bury St. Edmunds was wonderful) and back in the day Alconbury and Bentwaters were great.

Spangdalem has always sucked, big time. Bad Karma at that base.

Incirlik has a busy mission and some good facilities but sucks for location unless you are an anthropologist.

Elmendorf and Eielson AFBs in Alaska are wonderful locations for recreation and the facilities are very good. Best salmon fishing on the planet, nirvana for hunters and bushwackers.

Minot and Ellsworth always sucked weatherwise...but great assignments to save money. Mission has always been onerous. Used to pull alert at both locations on occasion.

I thought Offutt was a great assignment... best of facilities, huge housing area, great hospital, club, education center, good neighborhoods in Bellevue and not too much traffic. Multi-missioned and great opportunities to network and advance.

Then there's always my favorite... Soesterberg Air Base, (Camp New Amsterdam) Netherlands.... but, alas, that's closed now.You had me right up until Offut. Ick. Double Ick. Only TDY'ed there but that was bad enough. Ick, pttuuey.

midway
09-23-2010, 07:23 AM
Bad list:
1. Pentagon/DC. Bureaucratic hell. Nightmarish commutes. Too many people crammed in Northern VA. Horrible horrible horrible traffic. There are a lot of cultural and historical upsides, but not enough to outweigh the bad.
2. Grand Forks. Very long, miserable, cold winters. Flat. Nothing to do except drink to excess (which may be a plus to some, I suppose). This is an early 90's perspective.

Good list:
1. Peterson/Colo Springs: Beautiful location. Great climate (esp summers). Lots of summer/winter outdoor things to do. No traffic. No road rage. Lots of businesses give military discounts. Nice base -- decent/good facilities.
2. Shaw: This is admittedly a mid-90's perspective. At that time, great mission, great co-workers, good leadership. However, I did NOT live in Sumter. Living in Columbia was worth the 30 minute drive -- nice college atmosphere at nights/weekends.

goody722
09-23-2010, 09:20 PM
Uhhhhhh. No ones said Ellsworth yet. In the annals of South Dakota, this base is where you go if you want to stay for 15+ years. Most people do, transforming them into self-serving assbags that thing they are the best at everything. Dirty indians (not the bibbity-bobbity kind, but the hiawatha kind), horrible traffic, no morale or cameraderie. The base itself doesnt look like a warm (no pun intended) place to live/work....rather it looks like a prison and a former shell of its glory days in the Cold War. No one gives a rats ass about you at all, and most supervision is in it for themselves. The base is going to be called Joint Base Ellsworth-Al Udeid soon because Al Udeid will be your second home.

imported_oih82w8
09-23-2010, 09:34 PM
For me...the best base was the one you just left. You were acclimated, and a routine was in place.

The absolute best base that I was assigned to Soesterberg AB, The Netherlands. When the Berlin Wall fell in '89, most of the good bases fell as well.

ChiefB
09-23-2010, 11:34 PM
You had me right up until Offut. Ick. Double Ick. Only TDY'ed there but that was bad enough. Ick, pttuuey.

Win some, lose some. You only disliked it because it had aircraft with more than two engines...and they had galleys and heads...even!:angel

F4CrewChick
09-24-2010, 12:14 AM
Win some, lose some. You only disliked it because it had aircraft with more than two engines...and they had galleys and heads...even!:angelSumptin' like that...Oh, and the Nebraska bit, didn't help at all.

Thunderhorse19
09-24-2010, 12:24 AM
Offutt had another murder on Tuesday night. Adding up all of the criminal activites...abuse of volunteers, 'Trust Game' murders, blacklisting of critics, favoritism, smear campaigns, illegal stalking, illegal hacking, illegal spying, vandalisms, drive by shootings, suicides, sexual harassment, child porn arrests...and the murders, Offutt will definitely win the 'worst AF base' trophy, hands down. The AF should have closed it down in '92 when SAC died.

Shrike
09-24-2010, 12:46 PM
Offutt had another murder on Tuesday night. Adding up all of the criminal activites...abuse of volunteers, 'Trust Game' murders, blacklisting of critics, favoritism, smear campaigns, illegal stalking, illegal hacking, illegal spying, vandalisms, drive by shootings, suicides, sexual harassment, child porn arrests...and the murders, Offutt will definitely win the 'worst AF base' trophy, hands down. The AF should have closed it down in '92 when SAC died.

"'Trust Game' murders" (emphasis on the "s" mine) Wasn't there one? Can you post links to news articles about the others?

Go_Blue
09-24-2010, 04:38 PM
Sitting on Offutt now, and this is the first I've heard of it. I personally like Offutt and the surrounding area. I'll actually miss it when I leave.

ChaosTony
09-24-2010, 04:47 PM
Albuquerque has pretty bad crime, but the city on a whole isn't bad. Kirtland though is so corrupt it's ridiculous. There are a ton of SNCO's with 12+ years(since they were E-1/E-3's) on station, and they are a pain in the ass to work.

Surprisingly I enjoyed Cannon my short stay there.

Clovis is a hole, but because the base is so small it's really tight-knit and friendly(on the military side at least, I've heard some horror stories about backstabbing catty dependent wives).

imported_Sgt HULK
09-24-2010, 06:11 PM
Any pics of back stabbing catty wives?

ChiefB
09-24-2010, 06:50 PM
Any pics of back stabbing catty wives?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xkBrrDr31Ac/SvMsqyXrwmI/AAAAAAAAAOU/D2NFqkXuFwM/s400/The-Women-Poster.jpg

loader67
09-26-2010, 06:06 PM
Albuquerque has pretty bad crime, but the city on a whole isn't bad. Kirtland though is so corrupt it's ridiculous. There are a ton of SNCO's with 12+ years(since they were E-1/E-3's) on station, and they are a pain in the ass to work.

Surprisingly I enjoyed Cannon my short stay there.

Clovis is a hole, but because the base is so small it's really tight-knit and friendly(on the military side at least, I've heard some horror stories about backstabbing catty dependent wives).

I like to call Cannon Minot South. Like Minot but minus the cold.

imported_Renazance
10-02-2010, 01:43 AM
Mountain Home, Idaho has to be one of the worst bases out there. The base is 10 miles from town, which is completely desolate. The only thing out here is Wal-Mart. The city of Mountain Home refuses to grow with the base populace, even though we make up for more than 90% of the town's economy. The winters are cold, there are no trees out here so there's nothing to block the below-freezing winds. The closest real city is Boise, which is a good hour drive. And even Boise isn't that big; not much to do there. Overall, Mountain Home AFB is not a good retention tool for FTA; most refuse to reenlist just so they can get out of this "frigid tundra of vast nothiness". Like I said, it's not the best base for first termers, since most get here and think the rest of the bases in the AF are like this.

F4CrewChick
10-02-2010, 02:00 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xkBrrDr31Ac/SvMsqyXrwmI/AAAAAAAAAOU/D2NFqkXuFwM/s400/The-Women-Poster.jpg

Best. Movie. Ever. 1939. Best year in film ever. Directed by George Cukor during the "Golden Days of Hollywood." Amazing all female cast, extraordinary dialogue, great story. 5 Stars.

imported_Shove_your_stupid_meeting
10-04-2010, 06:18 AM
Gotta go with Minot as the worst. To be honest, the base itself wasn't horrible, but being in the middle of nowhere with a winter that never seemed to end was brutal, especially as a young, single airman.

Hoo-huh???
10-04-2010, 05:10 PM
The best: Aviano, Elmendorf, Paya Labar AB Singapore.....Love them all
The worst: Mountain Home, Eglin, & Misawa
In between: Ellsworth

DaveIn3D
10-05-2010, 12:27 PM
Lackland was my first base and I hated it at the time. I hated going back to bootcamp. I asked for Osan as soon as I got there. Once I left, I realized that it was an awesome base and San Antonio is a great city. If I could go there as a Jarhead, i would

Osan was a 365 drinking fest. There are entire months I cant recall there. I wouldnt recommend that base to married folks. If you are single, it is the greatest base in the world.

Spangdahlem was my favorite base. Small base in the countryside of Germany far from any major cities. 20 minutes from lux, 30 from belguium. You could be in Amsterdam in 2 1/2 hours or Paris in 4. Winefest, Pigfest and the Bitberg BASH were some of the funner summer activities. Also met my wife there. Damn I love German chicks. All that said, I was 606 there so I got to miss all the stupid wing crap. The 606 kind of did our own thing.

Eglin was so awesome I went to the Marine recruiter in my BDUs and got out of my 6 year contract 6 months early. The only bright spot about Eglin was the out-processing. I went to the Marine recruiter 1 SEP 06 and was completely out 25 Sep 06. I couldnt even do PCS out processing that fast at any other base. Or maybe they just didnt like 3C2 SSGTs anymore.

Keesler was fun to go TDY to. Was also there for Tech School but 9/11 happened halfway through my school so we were locked down for a grip of time. Went back TDY a month before katrina and had a blast. Heard it is dead now. What a shame.

-3D

VFFSSGT
10-05-2010, 12:46 PM
Keesler was fun to go TDY to. Was also there for Tech School but 9/11 happened halfway through my school so we were locked down for a grip of time. Went back TDY a month before katrina and had a blast. Heard it is dead now. What a shame.

-3D

Yeah, I was there for that too; absolutely sucked being locked to the triangle then base for so long and then just the local town for the rest of time there. My favorite one was the "no gathering rule," which only seemed to apply during our "personal" time. Smoke pit closed, etc. But we still gathered for drill downs, etc.

'That' weekend was my first weekend of 4th Phase (would have been 5th if they didn't change the program up). Needless to say, I didn't go anywhere...

Been there a couple times since Katrina, one was fairly recent...still no where near the same. But, I guess they are coming along.

bb stacker
10-06-2010, 01:10 AM
Lackland was my first base and I hated it at the time. I hated going back to bootcamp. I asked for Osan as soon as I got there. Once I left, I realized that it was an awesome base and San Antonio is a great city. If I could go there as a Jarhead, i would

Osan was a 365 drinking fest. There are entire months I cant recall there. I wouldnt recommend that base to married folks. If you are single, it is the greatest base in the world.

Spangdahlem was my favorite base. Small base in the countryside of Germany far from any major cities. 20 minutes from lux, 30 from belguium. You could be in Amsterdam in 2 1/2 hours or Paris in 4. Winefest, Pigfest and the Bitberg BASH were some of the funner summer activities. Also met my wife there. Damn I love German chicks. All that said, I was 606 there so I got to miss all the stupid wing crap. The 606 kind of did our own thing.

Eglin was so awesome I went to the Marine recruiter in my BDUs and got out of my 6 year contract 6 months early. The only bright spot about Eglin was the out-processing. I went to the Marine recruiter 1 SEP 06 and was completely out 25 Sep 06. I couldnt even do PCS out processing that fast at any other base. Or maybe they just didnt like 3C2 SSGTs anymore.

Keesler was fun to go TDY to. Was also there for Tech School but 9/11 happened halfway through my school so we were locked down for a grip of time. Went back TDY a month before katrina and had a blast. Heard it is dead now. What a shame.

-3D

its still fun if your married, 1000 won beer night and a miss kim burger!! you just have to go home and wack it to internet porn.

Airborne
10-06-2010, 09:04 AM
Does Keesler still do the every other Friday is a down day thing? I never got a rational explanation of why the did (or still do) that.

VFFSSGT
10-06-2010, 02:10 PM
Does Keesler still do the every other Friday is a down day thing? I never got a rational explanation of why the did (or still do) that.

Yes they do.

It's just a form of a compressed work schedule. They still put in 80 hours over that two weeks. I have always understood they do it, so instructors and other staff members have that "extra hour" each day, which makes up for not working every other Friday, without the students so they can perform other job functions that need to be done throughout the week.

And I believe most AETC locations do it - not just Keesler. I been to Sheppard a couple times and seem to remember them doing it as well.

Thunderhorse19
10-11-2010, 05:59 PM
Offutt continues to win 'the worst AF base in history' award again and again. Favoritism, nepotism, corruption, cover ups, fraud, cliques and abuse have been Offutt's mottos for the last 50 years. Offutt hit a new low....sent out 25,000 invitations to military retirees one week before the annual Retiree Appreciation Day event. Forgot about the 5,000 widows again because of that old retired Army sergeant major/widow hater in Bldg C. All of the retirees could not decipher the poorly constructed invitation...signed by 55 MSG CC (former StratCom DCoS) and wanted responses sent to 55 Comm Group CC. As usual, the 55 Wing CC and his Command Chief won't show up, and less than 300 retirees and widows will be there. Offutt continues to be 'the armpit of the world.'

AirDrop23
10-11-2010, 08:15 PM
I would say Minot, Cannon, Kirtland, Dyass and Shaw would be about as bad as you can get DOD wide.

Go_Blue
10-11-2010, 08:22 PM
Offutt continues to win 'the worst AF base in history' award again and again. Favoritism, nepotism, corruption, cover ups, fraud, cliques and abuse have been Offutt's mottos for the last 50 years. Offutt hit a new low....sent out 25,000 invitations to military retirees one week before the annual Retiree Appreciation Day event. Forgot about the 5,000 widows again because of that old retired Army sergeant major/widow hater in Bldg C. All of the retirees could not decipher the poorly constructed invitation...signed by 55 MSG CC (former StratCom DCoS) and wanted responses sent to 55 Comm Group CC. As usual, the 55 Wing CC and his Command Chief won't show up, and less than 300 retirees and widows will be there. Offutt continues to be 'the armpit of the world.'

Did you get personally violated here, or do you just hate life in general at Offutt that much?

itty1979
10-12-2010, 10:20 AM
I would say Minot, Cannon, Kirtland, Dyass and Shaw would be about as bad as you can get DOD wide.
I am currently stationed at Cannon, I put Shaw on my BOP to get out of Cannon....BOP stil got rejected..... twice. So I just deployed again.

ChaosTony
10-12-2010, 02:51 PM
I would say Minot, Cannon, Kirtland, Dyass and Shaw would be about as bad as you can get DOD wide.

Yay, I'm at Kirtland :bowl

crustybfv
10-12-2010, 03:44 PM
Never been to Shaw or Kirtland, so no opinion there, but Cannon definitely sucks. Dyess - Can't really complain too much (though if you don't go to church, you won't fit in here very well). Volunteered for Dyess to get out of Edwards (after being turned down for BOPs to Minot and Cannon). Every base has something to offer - except for maybe Altus and Cannon (and apparently Shaw) - and has something negative about it (except for Offutt, as I've never heard anything negative from there). LoudHorse, thought you were retired and there on a teaching assignment. Why don't you leave?

goody722
10-12-2010, 05:53 PM
HAHA!!! JUST GOT BOP ORDERS TO MACDILL! TAKE THAT HELLSWORTH!

VFFSSGT
10-12-2010, 05:55 PM
HAHA!!! JUST GOT BOP ORDERS TO MACDILL! TAKE THAT HELLSWORTH!

Congrats! I am ready for my departure date to get here! Not too much longer...

goody722
10-12-2010, 06:16 PM
i just cant wait.....ah, Florida. Sounds good!

andrew1986
10-12-2010, 09:18 PM
i just cant wait.....ah, Florida. Sounds good!

It's good. :) I've been here for almost 4 years.

itty1979
10-13-2010, 12:25 AM
Congrats, I'm still waitin to get out of cannon

takthekak
10-13-2010, 02:39 AM
Minot is still sucking...Anyone else notice that tryin to do things the right way
creates headaches and lines up people who try to say no to everything...you spend
months doing something you needed done in days...and they wonder why people
take shortcuts and implement deviations...

imported_Shove_your_stupid_meeting
10-14-2010, 06:21 PM
I would say Minot, Cannon, Kirtland, Dyass and Shaw would be about as bad as you can get DOD wide.

In your opinion, why is Dyess so bad, and is your opinion based on first hand experience, or word of mouth?

Football Coach
10-14-2010, 06:37 PM
I will rate from 0 to 10. 0 being the WORST and 10 being the BEST, that I have experienced.

Beale AFB, CA: 5 - Good Weather, Good Location if you have a vehicle. Reno is to the East, Sacramento is to the South. Bay area is a few hours to the SouthWest. You MUST have a vehicle or this place will be rated down to a 2. The base is very spread out into separate sections, so if no car you are stuck where you live. The main gate is like 5 miles from the Dorms, the nearest city is like 5 miles outside the main gate.

Robins AFB, GA: 5 - Hot, Humid and Hot. No Snow. In the middle of GA, need to drive at least an hour to get to a larget city (Macon). If you live off the base, the crime sucks. There are drive by shootings at the gates to the base, the SF guards used to wear vests... Lots of strip clubs. Not much going on, 1 road town going North to the interstate.

Fort Benning, GA: 2 - Sucks. Hot, Humid, Army. City of Columbus GA is on par with Sumter South Carolina and Shaw AFB. Both are probably connected underground, equally sucking. The city of Columbus is ran down, WalMart is taking over everything.

Biloxi, MS: 7 - Katrina wiped the slate clean along the coast. Only the strong survived. Rebuilding still occuring but most of the new stuff going up is North of the Interstate. 10-15 minute drive North from the base, you can get anything you want for shopping. Malls, Movies, Food. The beach sucks, but good offshore fishing. Casinos. Buffets at the Casinos.

Shaw AFB, SC: 0 - Scumter South Carolina sucks. Shaw is the main employment hub of the city of Sumter. 15 minute drive to the East from the base to get to a 3 road town that is being absorbed by Walmart. The mall is closing down. The hospital is the only thing left in the downtown area. Poor town, stupid populace. Only option to make a Shaw assignment better, is live in East Columbia and commute 35 minutes to work. Columbia is hoppin with USC, good food, businesses and shopping. If you live in Columbia, then upgrade this to a 5.

Charleston AFB, SC: 9 - Awesome base. Lots of things to do. Great medical facilities, shopping, boating, fishing, beaches are great. Downtown classic southern living. Plantations, Good weather and nice people, very friendly. Base is upgraded with new BX and Commissary. Medical on base sucks but lots of referrals for offbase easy to get.

Incirlik, TU: 7 - A great base if you can live off base, mix it up with the Turks. If you live on base you will get bored quickly with just going to the club and eating the same old crap. I travelled all over the country, it was cheap, safe and fun. Pre 9/11 though.

imported_Sgt HULK
10-14-2010, 06:46 PM
LOL at the common " Love for scumter shithole"

the upside is you can get a 3k sq ft brand new home for 150k lol

Mr. Happy
10-15-2010, 12:22 AM
I like Football Coach's approach to this, so I'll follow suite with the 0 - 10 scale. I've been stationed at a lot of bases, some many years ago, so I'll stick to the ones I have recent info on.

Little Rock, AR: 7 for married; 5 for single folks - Mission was pretty laid back, as was the base too for the most part. Summers were hot, and winters somewhat mild. AETC was the host while I was there, so that added to a lot of the ass-hattery that went on there. It's now under AMC, so I could only imagine it is better now. There wasn't much to Little Rock and the area, but like any place, you have areas to stay clear of, and some upscale locations like Maumelle. If you liked BBQ and outdoors, it was a good place. I would go back again.

Langley, VA: 7 - A rank heavy base and a busy mission while I was there. Not sure what the work load is now with F-22s. Summers were hot & humid, and winters were chilly with some frigid days. Immediate area around the base was seedy, but a drive 30 minutes away put you in nicer areas. The area is also congested, traffic blows, and Virginia drivers are retards. I had more road rage episodes in Virginia than anywhere else I've lived. Even with all of Langley's faults, the whole region offers a tremendous amount of things to do: historical sites, Busch Gardens Williamsburgh only 20 minutes away, Kings Dominion 50 minutes, Richmond Speedway for the NASCAR fans, Va Beach 40 minutes, Outer Banks 90 minutes, Washington DC 2 1/2 hours, fishing galore, etc.

Ramstein, GE: 10 - The most awesome assignment EVER! If you can't find fun things to do at that base, then you probably wouldn't be happy anywhere! Great festivals, beer, travel, food, castles, history, real base mission, you name it. The base has plenty of support services and a huge ass mall that even some stateside communities would envy. If you are a single man, plenty of fraus too. Plus, I liked actually having the American community aspect of being overseas; some don't. But it was so easy to hop in our van and escape the KMC and search out real culture around Europe on weekends. I've seen people not like their particular shops/leadership at Ramstein, but people generally loved the location and extended regardless. I would go back without question.

RAF Lakenheath, UK: 5 - Absolutely despised the base. Crappy parking, shitty buildings, crap customer support around the base, and a morale crushing ops tempo unlike anywhere else I've been. Job stress was insane. They flew their asses off at the 'heath, and the wear on people reflected in their faces and in the number of mishaps I saw there. In two years there, we had five Class-A mishaps involving aircraft...unbelievable. Once outside the gate on Friday, I did enjoy the country for the most part; otherwise I'd rate it a 1 or 2. Pub crawling was fun; especially if you become a "regular" and got to know some locals. Plenty to see around the island. London was 45 minutes away. Weather sucked 70% of the time. Winters were dreary, cold and windy. Unknown to most, England actually had superb northern pike fishing around the area. We're talking 20+ pounders. Assignment wasn't a total loss, but I would not ever go back.

Robins, GA - 6 for married; 2 for single folks - I can agree with most of what Football Coach said concerning Robins. It is hot, and more hot in the summer there. The base is comprised mostly of civilians, so military are red-headed step-children on an Air Force base. Macon has a reputation for high crime, but at least it's 30 minutes away. The area around the base must have calmed down some since Coach's time here. There are no longer any strip bars, and not many clubs and bars at all for that matter. It didn't feel too dangerous around the base like it may have been in the past. Overall, the whole area is dull and BORING! Alright place for famlilies, but didn't have a burning desire to stay. Young single folks; stay clear!

Daegu, ROK: 7 - A sleepy little COB base in Korea. A best kept secret. Very quiet, and a great way to complete a 1-year remote obligation without the mission ass pain endured at Kunsan and Osan. The city of Daegu is right at the gate and it is HUGE! Plenty of hot Korean women in the city if that's your thing. Living quarters were like little apartments. Sometimes it was boring and you felt isolated though. It's on a ROK Air Force base, so very few Americans or women. There was awesome hiking near the area. Support facilities were sparce on the base, you had to drive 40 minutes across town to Camps Walker/Henry, and even then, there wasn't much there either. Driving was nuts! It took 40 minutes to drive 8 miles. Osan was 4 hours north, and was worth escaping to on weekends. The MOPP stuff at the MOBs didn't really affect Daegu. If you can do a year in Korea, and never don the crap, then that is a major plus! Great experience, would recommend if you have to go on a remote, but once was enough for one lifetime.

anonymous5
10-15-2010, 12:55 AM
Whiteman hands down....Horrible base, horrible people, nothing to offer in the area..civilization is over an hour away. You either get screwed in the housing area or lucky..there is no in between. BAH isnt enough for off base, old housing is covered in mold so if you dont live in new housing your family is probably pretty sick. Housing wont move you, even if your wife has been hospitalized for going into asthmatic shock because shes very allergic to mold (and you KEEP cleaning it and it keeps coming right back). Everyone here is pissed off because they dont want to be here so everyone is a complete asshole, and I mean EVERYONE.
Weve been trying to leave for a while, ive tried absolutely everything you could possibly think of and nothing has worked. I just put in to retrain 2 months ago and I got it. However, they assigned me right back to this shit hole. I hate this place so much words cant describe, I dont want to spend the rest of my career here but looks like the Air Force is going to make that happen just to save a few bucks, I would pay for EVERYTHING that PCSing entails just to leave but thats not good enough for the Air Force

Barberakb
10-20-2010, 07:06 PM
What did you retrain into? 1U0X1? Just curious because I just got picked up for that and Whiteman is one of the very few options.

MACHINE666
10-20-2010, 08:11 PM
If you're stationed at Offutt then you're at the secret Satanic Air Force Base of the USAF! Because, Offutt is 6 letters long in length, and if you write it 3 times in the form of a triangle you're writing code for the Mark of the Beast! Just look for it on bathroom walls, pay phones, and porta-potties used by any construction crews who are being contracted out by the government. This is how you know if someone is a 'soldier' or not. And if you say it 3 times out loud between 2 mirrors, then you'll open the secret portal to where you can commune with the demons who operate that base directly!

:D :D :D :D :D

Go_Blue
10-20-2010, 09:53 PM
If you're stationed at Offutt then you're at the secret Satanic Air Force Base of the USAF! Because, Offutt is 6 letters long in length, and if you write it 3 times in the form of a triangle you're writing code for the Mark of the Beast! Just look for it on bathroom walls, pay phones, and porta-potties used by any construction crews who are being contracted out by the government. This is how you know if someone is a 'soldier' or not. And if you say it 3 times out loud between 2 mirrors, then you'll open the secret portal to where you can commune with the demons who operate that base directly!

:D :D :D :D :D

I was wondering why that strange mark on my arm looked like a bunch of 6's!

GoatDriver57
10-21-2010, 04:20 AM
Congrats, I'm still waitin to get out of cannon

Good luck! Chances you'll see retirement before PCSin from those pits. CannonAFB has and always will be Heaven for weapons/ammo wrenchers. :sad

Kirtland_Red_Storm
10-21-2010, 04:30 AM
Nellis hands down! The base has several different Wings so it's hard to tell who is in charge. The Weapons School and Thunderbirds rule the base, everyone else is second place. .

Las Vegas is a very dirty, high crime city. Crime is close to the Base and it's not unusual to hear gun fire from base housing. Traffic is insane, the track just makes it worse on race week. I won't even get into the Clark County school system, where illegal's have more rights than your kids will.

Nellis is great! Heat takes getting use to but for a single guy, wow! I got a part-time job at gun club (my hobby) and learn a lot from great shooters. I had so many friends and girl friends it was heaven. Have to watch out for the GI wives out on prowl who are bored with kids and hubby bitching about job and area.

You have to find the right area and if you haven't figured it out...Nellis is about flying, figure it out!

Kirtland_Red_Storm
10-21-2010, 04:38 AM
Hey! I'm a redneck and even own a couple of pickup's, John Deere's and crop duster. Nothing wrong with that! :)

F4CrewChick
10-21-2010, 04:43 AM
I like Nellis too KRS.

AGEdrone
10-21-2010, 06:53 PM
Wow, so much negativity about Minot! Granted, I was only there for a year but I liked it. It was nice to be able to let you car run in the winter and not worry about things being stolen out of it. Sure the weather sucks but overall it was good! I'd go back if I could. I'm in Spangdahlem right now and I HATED it the first year or so but now we have new leadership so it's getting better. The only thing awesome about it is the traveling. Love being able to drive 4 hours and be in Paris, or Brugge...We hope to remain overseas but not at Spang.

Shaken1976
10-21-2010, 07:15 PM
Not in order of assignment or best to worst. Just here they are....

Barksdale - I hated my job there so that did not help with liking the base. It was close to home so I could visit my family, but far enough away that they couldn't just drop in. Lot's of Casino's and the crime rate was pretty high. The schools sucked. All in all I would call it my worst assignment.

Eielson - Loved it. We busted ass to get the work done and then we played hard. The cold sucked but we found ways to stay occupied. Mortal Combat for shots was a favorite. The summers were awesome. Lots of rock climbing, hiking, and boating. The winters were butt ass cold but I still had a blast. It was the first time I had seen snow.

Lackland - Hot weather. Awesome town with lots to do. Especially if you have kids. Public schools aren't that great unless you are in Northside ISD. Lots of good private schools that are relatively cheap. Thursday and Friday traffic sucks. Don't go to the BX or anywhere on base on those days if you can help it.

Robins - Being assigned to a tenant unit pretty much sucked. Especially when said unit really had no stateside mission. The entire time I was there we basically had no equipment. Hard to get trained when thats the case. However, I had awesome friends there and I loved the school. Whoever said they have every casual dining restaurant you can imagine is lying though. There were not a lot of options within Warner Robins. You had to go to Macon for that. Shopping in Warner Robins also sucked. Macon had a nice outdoor mall though. Atlanta wasn't far away and neither was Savannah. Savannah makes a nice weekend get away. Hilton Head SC was fairly close to and also made a nice weekend getaway.

Keesler - Mostly sucked because I was there without my family. It was fairly soon after Katrina so going to the beach was pretty much out. Dead animals were still washing up on the beach. (not sea animals either) The majority of the casino's were still closed as were lots of the restaurants. However, each base is what you make of it so I made good friends and stayed busy.

Anderson - An itty bitty island that you can drive around in a day and pretty much see all the sites. It is trashy as there is no recycle place on the island and people just dump stuff wherever they find a place. As you drive down the road you will see cars, washers, dryers, tires, and all kinds of other stuff just abandoned on the side of the road. Typhoon's come through and the base is pretty much on lockdown. The chowhall was fairly decent. The BX sucked but you could drive over to Big Navy and they had an awesome NEX and a Popeyes. The beach was awesome. Also if you had a craving for American food you could find it pretty much everywhere. However, don't wear a belt to the strip clubs. They will beat you with it. I saw it first hand as I played DD one night. Scary stuff happened that night. Still gives me nightmares.

2W1Chick
10-21-2010, 07:48 PM
My favorite base in 26 years has been Kadena AB, Okinawa, Japan. I am on my second tour. I would venture to say there are a lot of people that disagree...especially Maintenance folks.

My least favorite base was Offutt AFB, NE. Cold as hell during the winter.
True story about Kadena. I worked fighters there and it is still hands down my worst assignment....and I left there and went to Shaw. So that says a lot. FYI. Sumter had the third highest violent crime rate per capita a few years ago (behind Detroit and Memphis). They have gang shootings targeting women in the Wal-Mart parking lot while whole fighter squadrons are deployed to the sandbox. Sounds like a little peace of heaven, huh?

Kirtland_Red_Storm
10-22-2010, 02:01 AM
Every base has something positive and negative for someone. For some it’ll fit just right for the family and the job, for others it’ll be the job and the activities off-base, and for others nothing will fit. I loved Germany at Christmas time because of the Christmas markets, just felt more like the holidays there than USA, not so much commercialism.

I was assigned during the Balkan and Kosovo wars in Italy for an extended period of time and really enjoyed the Aviano and Naples areas. Each had their pluses and minuses depending on what you were looking for at the time.

I will tell you that I got the best support from the Navy at NAS Naples and Rota Spain.

I miss some of the closed bases like Bitburg, Zweibruken, Hahn, Sembach, Germany; Zaragoza and Torrejon, Spain; Bentwaters, UK;

I’ll give you some of my experiences from my assignments:

RAF Alconbury
- When it was a flying wing, superb base, great location for sightseeing and people friendly
- Now I believe it is a support base
- Housing wasn’t issue but wasn’t spacious and up-to-date
- Still a good location
- I’ve only visited Mildenhall and Lakenhealth but felt other USAFE bases were better – area gives off a negative feeling – maybe it’s the UFO from Woodbridge influencing the area

Ramstein
- I’ve only visited here several times and I noticed the Americanization of the area off base
- Colonel’s and General’s playing politics – lot’s of kiss ass staffers
- Some of the worse bedroom politics I’ve seen since I visited DC area
- Only positive area is the flightline operations, medivac movements, logistics
- Landstuhl Medical Center works miracles with incoming/outgoing troops

Spangdahlem
- Base is built around the long runway – important for USAFE
- On-base housing – ok
- Near the Mosel, Trier, and Luxembourg – great spots
- Plenty of history and things to do in area
- Immerse yourself in culture and you’ll love it – or you can whine about bad tour

Mons, Belgium (NATO Joint Tour)
- Tour at SHAPE
- AF jobs on staff or NATO AWACS or support job at AF Element
- AF Support at Chieves AB
- Work with different nations and learn about their operations
- Housing is economy and varies from modern to historical – I lived in a converted barn that had up-to-date appliances and facilities with radiant floor hear. From the outside it looked interesting but inside it was a palace of modern features.
- Shopping at NATO store, Chieves AB, economy, and drive to Schinnen Support Facility, The Netherlands
- http://www.shape2day.com/prospects.aspx

Geilenkirken AB, Germany (NATO Joint Tour)

- AWACS E3-A plus TCA B-707 operations
- Closed knit based and community
- Economy housing, located on corner of Germany, The Netherlands, and Belgium
- Schools located nearby at Brunssum, The Netherlands http://www.jfcbs.nato.int/
- www.e3a.nato.int

NATO School, Oberamergau, Germany
- Best kept secret in the military
- Hard to get assignment – almost have to call to find out about availability and openings
- Located in choice area and most don’t want to leave because of the people
- Near Garmish Partenkirchen recreation areas
- https://www.natoschool.nato.int/

Other NATO assignments to think about
- AFSOUTH – Naples, Italy
- AFNORTH – Oslo, Norway
- Look over NATO Handbook http://www.nato.int/docu/handbook/2001/pdf/handbook.pdf

Joint Tours
United States Military Training Mission (USMTM), Riyadh, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
- Short tour credit
- Top COLA, combat pay*, tax breaks*
- Hosts pays for housing, HHG provided, and vehicle (plus all expenses)
- Foreign military case related (you’re provided support or training)
- Trained at WPAFB at DISAM http://www.disam.dsca.mil/
- May receive other training as required – FBI, State Dept. DIA
- Assignment locations – Jiddah, Riyadh, Khamis Mushayt, At Taif, Dhahran
- General order one doesn’t apply – monthly rations
- Best parties I have ever attended – 14000 single nurses
- Contractor’s entertain and have stills – make hillbillies look like amateurs
- Work week is Saturday – Wednesday
- Families are starting to be allowed to return on accompany tours


Misawa, Japan
- Located in farm district
- Close to ocean but not recommended for swimming – great beach combing
- I enjoyed the people but I learned the language
- Located in the Japanese Alps
- Skiing is great
- Lots of colorful festivals to attend – Amori is great – Sapporo Ice Festival is fantastic
- Housing was great for overseas assignment – I lived in TOW, not sure I could live in a high rise tower if noise was an issue
- I miss going Saturday’s to the markets where they offered samples to taste
- Friday or Saturday was bath night at the resort hotel and then off to a local bar for saki, tempura veggies, and rice
- I bought two used cars from Tony’s – they were like new
- Loved going to places where we could cook our own food and miss the noodle shops

Shaw AFB
- Most hate this place because it’s in the South
- Never had a problem but I carry a gun
- Base housing ok but you could find something off base – be careful of mobile homes, manufacture homes, and some home with poor construction because of tornadoes, high winds, and hurricanes
- I like it because it had a great mission, nice TDY’s, and deployments
- Locals are very supportive of the military and want the military there – let’s hope the move of the Army to Shaw to make it a Joint Base under BRAC doesn’t sour the relationship
- Great hunting and fishing area – stripers and catfish
- Great BBQ – get use to mustard base BBQ sauce
- State Capital close by and so is USC
- Great shopping for antiques, furniture, woodworking
- Charleston is near and so is Lake Moultrie Recreational area – Navy has area

Nellis AFB
- Hot work – especially flightline
- Flying is the primary mission
- Great activities (not speaking of gambling) – hiking, fishing, prospecting, jeep 4 wheeling, parasailing
- Got my pilot’s license here and follow-on ratings
- Dated show girl but everyone that met her didn’t know because she looked like plain Jane. For her it was a job to get her through school at UNLV. Point is there were many gals out there who were just as friendly and avoided the jerks at the tables
- Red Flag is place were activities are high interest
- Volunteered to work at Tonopah Range
- A lot of jobs that aren’t necessarily advertised – i.e. Area 51 – you have to talk to assignments folks

McChord AFB
- My first assignment long, long ago
- I enjoyed it because it was a challenge to learn job and learn a new area
- I just couldn’t believe anyone getting bored or having nothing to do in the Pacific NW
- Learn to adapt to the weather
- Hang with the right people – if you don’t you see less
- Do one thing different every weekend
- I learn how to rock climb, rappel, to use survival skills, and snow shoe
- AMC base – gateway to the Pacific


Fairchild AFB
- Best family base I have ever been too
- Great facilities
- Always getting funds to improve
- Most complain that there isn’t a night life but I was so busy I didn’t notice
- Hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, boating, skiing, etc. Great MWR facilities and equipment checkout
- I made friends with Army Air Guard – caught hops on UH-60 to northern WA and ID for camping, hiking, hunting, and fishing. Arranged to be pickup as part of return mission or practice for SAR
- Housing off base is great – most love Medical Lake area because of schools
- Great hospitals in area
- Lots of history and military support
- Great arena and convention center – concerts are normally sold out in advance – Alberta Ballet puts on Nutcracker Suite annually with Spokane Symphony
- Pig-n-Park is biggest BBQ feed
- Bloomsday Run is wild and is a ranking marathon
- Spokane Hoopfest is the largest 3 on 3 basketball tournament that closes downtown http://spokanehoopfest.net/

Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio
- There is only two things good about this assignment
o AF Museum
o Dorothy Lane Markets
- More 0-5’s making coffee for senior officers – guess what NCOs and airman do
- Adultery on this base is like handing out candy on Halloween – funny they court martial an E-9 but this place make Peyton place look like sesame street – joke was for 1Lt’s was that the only way they couldn’t make Captain was if they slept with base commander wife and she didn’t like it
- Civilians tell the military, “I’m here for 30 years, you’re here for four or less, change nothing or else”
- Politics drives the budget – budget drives importance and rank on this base
- Off base housing expensive – cheap housing in crime ridden areas
- Dayton is a ghost town – factories pulled out – lots of abandoned buildings
- Tornado alley
- Depressing area – mental health clinics are abundant and business is good


Places I took shots to avoid with a passion:
- Pentagon
- HQ AMC
- HQ ACC
- HQ USAFE
- HQ PACAF

I have no doubt that stop my career progression besides telling a WPAFB senior officer who never served in combat or an overseas tour that he could borrow my cricket bat to sit on and rotate for effect.

I didn't include all the TDYs to places like Aalborg, Denmark, Athens, Greece, Luxembourg, Munich, Ge, Montreal, Canada, Cold Lake, Canada, Toronto, Canada
Diego Garcia, or Lajes (Garlic steak and red wine)

Do your research, talk to people, listen for the pulse of a unit, last inspection results, etc. Yes, like someone stated "leadership changed and things got better!"

Who among us hasn't served under someone who was using people to make a name for themselves....those are the jobs you want to avoid, sometimes you can't, so you disappear and find things to do.

Otherwise, do you want some cheese with that whine?

Capt Alfredo
10-22-2010, 02:15 AM
Every base has something positive and negative...

Great post. I envy the variety and quality of your assignments. I only wish I could have had similar opportunity in my last twenty years. I've only been stationed at Lackland, Bolling, Maxwell, Monterey, and Goodfellow for training, plus three other bases, only one of which was anything as cool as Fairchild, McChord, or any of the NATO/Europe assignments you had. Jealous!

Capt Alfredo
10-22-2010, 02:16 AM
Every base has something positive and negative...

Great post. I envy the variety and quality of your assignments. I only wish I could have had similar opportunity in my last twenty years. I've only been stationed at Lackland, Bolling, Maxwell, Monterey, and Goodfellow for training, plus three other bases, only one of which was anything as cool as Fairchild, McChord, or any of the NATO/Europe assignments you had. Jealous!

StephenH
10-22-2010, 10:42 AM
Minot wasn't really too bad. I had a lot of fun there in my 3 year assignment.

Kadena has always been one of my best assignments. I enjoyed it so much I went back. Almost half of my career will be on Okinawa.

I also really liked Holloman. I haven't even seen it mentioned yet.

BlueJeep89
10-22-2010, 02:59 PM
I cannot speak from too much experience But Robins woulnt be the best or the worst in my book
Reasons

Base is Dominated by civillian agencies (ie c5 depot, reserve HQ, lots of other AFMC supporting units] doing their own thing with a different attitude

Very diverse population every thing from 500$houses to section 8 welfare Housing

Great for familys Bad for singles

Only an handfull of good bars localy

Robins is in a prime location in the middle of everything but close to nothing (savanna, Atlanta, Panama city)

Have to drive a good 1hr to get decent shoping

Every thing is separated by atleast a 15 min drive

Traffic to and from base is horendous during day time only 2 main roads (watson, russle)that feed into the common housing areas in the north and south

Crime is very area dependent on wether you live on the south side (good)or the north east side(BAD).

Great BBQ several choices throuout county

105mmhydro
10-27-2010, 08:12 AM
really? very surprised no-one mentioned Cannon yet... just for kicks type clovis, nm in youtube. give you a start on what the closest town is (7 miles from base)

AFK9
04-21-2011, 07:26 PM
I would have to say Altus is the worst....cause of the town not the base. The mall in town is Wal Mart. You know those "Wal Mart people" emails you see? Well those pictures are taken in Southwestern Oklahoma. Gotta be lol. Off base you only have 3 bars. One of which is connected to a hotel. Applebee's is the only sit down restaurant in town that is nationwide. All the others are locals. They have a Sonic, McDonalds, Taco Bell, and Whataburger at least for fast food. Plus Subway and Quizno's(just opened like a year and a half ago). If you want a mall or a restaurant like Olive Garden or Red Lobster you got to drive to Lawton or Wichita Falls. There is a group in Altus called the "Committe of 100" and they control just about everything in town. It gets really annoying. And of course the town does nothing but gripe and complain about the base and us there except for when its time to look into possibly closing Altus, then all of a sudden they'd love us.

NERVA
08-24-2013, 05:53 AM
Best - Falcon AFS (now Schriever AFB) and Lindsey AS. Did two years at Falcon in the early - mid 90s. Base was nice, new and clean. Lots of off base stuff to do in Colorado Springs and Denver.

Lindsey was in Wiesbaden, Germany. Did a tour there from 85 - 89 (1st Combat Comm). Unit was like MASH. Area was great.

Worst - I didn't have a real bad base in 20 years of service. Offutt had it's moments, but I'm from Nebraska so I could roll with it. MacDill was a bitch at times... actually ran into someone in a mall on the west side of Tampa (West University Mall?)... the gal didn't even know MacDill existed. I'm at Malmstrom now (retired in 2001 as MSgt here)... the base is not on most AF folks must see list. The base sits on the east side of Great Falls... it's a nice, laid back base... but too many dog and pony inspections. The town generally likes the AF folks here, but has it's half-wit and mud people element to it. One other note... Great Falls hasn't grown in population since 1970. 55,000 folks lived here in 1970 and 40 years later... 55,000 remain.

sharkhunter
08-25-2013, 12:04 AM
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Incirlik, TU: 7 - A great base if you can live off base, mix it up with the Turks. If you live on base you will get bored quickly with just going to the club and eating the same old crap. I travelled all over the country, it was cheap, safe and fun. Pre 9/11 though.

I was there in 2009 and still have friends in 2010, you cant live off base unless you broke a lot of rules to do it. The only people authorized to live off base are contractors.

sharkhunter
08-25-2013, 12:21 AM
Worst base:
Incirlik AB, Turkey
We basically have no rights on that base. We have to follow the Turkish military law.
It usually took about six months for test equipment to return from Germany because of Turkish Customs and paperwork for equipment to leave the base
the SOFA agreement says that the base jobs most be employed at a minimum 70% by Turkish nationals, hence many dependent spouses are unemployed.
the base failed a Readiness Inspection and a ATSEP inspection in 2009
Unaccompany dorm rooms for E1-E6 were small (unless you're AMC in which case you had a one bedroom apartment).
the Turkish national supervisors cannot enforce discpline or accountability on Turkish nationals (many can be caught sleeping throughout the base and abusing GOVs)
curfew hours varied from midnight to 10pm for "safety" reasons.
nothing to do on Sundays (even when Monday is a holiday or down day); internet on base is compared to dail up and yet you pay $60 a month (if you're a club card member, otherwise its $70).
Turkish dependents raid the BX/commissary and blackmarket the items on the Turkish economy.
Dorm residents were told not to BBQ during the day during Ramadan because we might encourage the Turkish to "sin" and break their fast.

fufu
08-25-2013, 02:47 AM
Fairchild AFB
- Best family base I have ever been too
- Great facilities
- Always getting funds to improve
- Most complain that there isn’t a night life but I was so busy I didn’t notice
- Hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, boating, skiing, etc. Great MWR facilities and equipment checkout
- I made friends with Army Air Guard – caught hops on UH-60 to northern WA and ID for camping, hiking, hunting, and fishing. Arranged to be pickup as part of return mission or practice for SAR
- Housing off base is great – most love Medical Lake area because of schools
- Great hospitals in area
- Lots of history and military support
- Great arena and convention center – concerts are normally sold out in advance – Alberta Ballet puts on Nutcracker Suite annually with Spokane Symphony
- Pig-n-Park is biggest BBQ feed
- Bloomsday Run is wild and is a ranking marathon
- Spokane Hoopfest is the largest 3 on 3 basketball tournament that closes downtown http://spokanehoopfest.net/

Great Facilities? We don't have a club, no golf course, old bowling center with basically no air conditioning, small BX, basic food court.

The facilities on this base....suck! They don't have money to improve them...that's hogwash. I've been here 8 years, everything is in WORSE shape than 2005.

The area is badass tho. I love it.

jmb27
08-25-2013, 03:11 PM
Patrick is the best if you can handle the retirees. It's not to far from all of the attractions in Orlando, it's across the street from the beach and of you own a boat there are a ton of great placed to go boating. Also, one of the housing areas has nice houses and is located a mile south of the base so you don't have to deal with the gate every time you want to go somewhere.

SgtS
08-26-2013, 08:27 AM
My vote goes to Charleston.

I spent the first part of my career there and 4 assignments later, I'm still trying to go back.

Once I get to my NEXT assignment and hit eligibility for BOP again, I will attempt to (yet again). If they deny me a BOP at that point, I'll just retire and move there anyway (I have a house there). Either way ... I'm going back to Charleston!

GoatDriver57
09-13-2013, 12:10 AM
I'm was just a little west of Minot. Glasgow AFB, Montana (ST. Marie today). Sky was full of stars there, if astronomy was ones past-time hobbies, that is the place. Many was enrolled in distant-learning classes. Compared with Minot, our buffs were runway landing while Minot's planes were still needing to drop 900 more feet. We has the prettiest Christmas Tree when it was lit on full ORIs. I do believe that some of the PCS ones were placed at Glasgow for psyc obsavation, a petri-dish for possible future remote challengers, great station for such :). Hunting, fishing and long road trips got old after 1st year, but it didn't flood. - Best family base I have ever been too
- Great facilities provided
- Most complain, long drive for pizza, no night life but didn't give a care, too busy studying, didn’t notice.
- Hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, boating, skiing, etc. Great MWR facilities and equipment checkout
- Great OB Housing for Os & Es. No school shooting. Same for Cannon but don't have the cold, nice.

Still lobbying to close Kleesler, move that OPS to Cannon. Shutter that Miss. AF country-club once for all. Wrong impressions of the AF generated at that base. Move their hurricane hunters to BarksDale. Hurricanes will get it again, not if but when.

Pullinteeth
09-13-2013, 06:05 PM
I'm was just a little west of Minot. Glasgow AFB, Montana (ST. Marie today). Sky was full of stars there, if astronomy was ones past-time hobbies, that is the place. Many was enrolled in distant-learning classes. Compared with Minot, our buffs were runway landing while Minot's planes were still needing to drop 900 more feet. We has the prettiest Christmas Tree when it was lit on full ORIs. I do believe that some of the PCS ones were placed at Glasgow for psyc obsavation, a petri-dish for possible future remote challengers, great station for such :). Hunting, fishing and long road trips got old after 1st year, but it didn't flood. - Best family base I have ever been too
- Great facilities provided
- Most complain, long drive for pizza, no night life but didn't give a care, too busy studying, didn’t notice.
- Hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, boating, skiing, etc. Great MWR facilities and equipment checkout
- Great OB Housing for Os & Es. No school shooting. Same for Cannon but don't have the cold, nice.

Still lobbying to close Kleesler, move that OPS to Cannon. Shutter that Miss. AF country-club once for all. Wrong impressions of the AF generated at that base. Move their hurricane hunters to BarksDale. Hurricanes will get it again, not if but when.

Seriously? Have you ever been to Cannon?

Airborne
09-14-2013, 02:45 PM
My vote goes to Charleston.

I spent the first part of my career there and 4 assignments later, I'm still trying to go back.

Once I get to my NEXT assignment and hit eligibility for BOP again, I will attempt to (yet again). If they deny me a BOP at that point, I'll just retire and move there anyway (I have a house there). Either way ... I'm going back to Charleston!

Great place if you're white.

RetC141BFCC
09-14-2013, 03:17 PM
NAS Keflavick Iceland. People were great job was easy. Local woman were hot and sexy. Navy Chiefs club was a blast all drinks a buck. Now for the bad. No SOFA agreement. Every time you left base has to declare what you had in the car. Could not take more than two packs of smokes with you. No more than a six pack per person. No hard alcohol could leave the base So it was my worst base. Now my best assigment was a six month TDY to JTFB at Soto Cano Air Base in Hondo did two seperate TDYs there one for six months one for 4 months Tried for ever to get assigned there.

GoatDriver57
09-14-2013, 03:51 PM
I'm saying in my top 5, would be , ~~~ McGuire ~~~. Acft over 2. Any direction, one hour into fun to do.

My personal opinion and observance, great base if you're black, PR.

jondstewart
09-23-2013, 12:27 AM
I did only 3 bases my entire career, but here's my rundown of them:

Barksdale, AKA "Barcatraz": 1989-1995 Spent 6 years of my life there I'll never get back! Hot and humid most of the year. The commissary was mostly old retirees wearing jumpsuits and birth control glasses with a small amount of active duty shopping there. For us young dorm rats, unless you were a God-fearing Christian, not much else to do except beer bashes on weekends, go to Cowboys night club, and there were the casinos later on. Many young dorm rats made the mistake of marrying young working-class local girls. Swimming pool on base was always just dependents kids, for some reason. Pierre Bossier Mall was decent and the only good place to go see movies. Shreveport-Bossier is an overall unremarkable city with old buildings and potholes in the roads. And racism? My God, place was full of rednecks and oppressed blacks. The Centenary College area was about the only place in town with any sort of class or culture. Most of the well-off lived in Benton or west Shreveport and the housing around the base was mostly 800 square foot matchboxes built in the 1950's. And an absolutely horrible ghetto right next to the base off Barksdale Blvd that should have been demolished 50 years ago! I lived in that 2 building apartment complex just past the credit union and next to the Circle K. And finally, in my Services Squadron, there were several that came there with me within a year that ended up spending their whole careers there! I was stationed there and stayed initially because I was only 300 miles from home in Austin and then I was stuck there another 3 years because of a marriage that ended up as single parenthood!

Lackland AFB, AKA "Slackland": 1996-2007. I lived my life as a San Antonian and just worked at the base. Had family in town and few friends even associated with the military. Permanent party that were not part of training such as myself were a minority. Worked with mostly civilians. I loved San Antonio, minus the endless summers and humidity and just down the road from home. And my wife is a native San Antonian. But the city is going downhill fast and you now have to live outside Loop 1604 to be in a good area now. Most of the area inside Loop 1604 is now ghetto or middle-class or well-off people who've lived in the neighborhoods for 20-40 years. I lived in Live Oak, which was a good commute, but worth it.

Elmendorf: 2007-present: Got stationed there and retired there. I hated the Services Squadron, but loved my job and the area. Before getting stationed there, I could count on both my hands how many times in my life I'd seen snow. Had never been to a ski slope and they have one on the base! How little kids 4-5 years old slid down the slope with ease had me scratching my head and learning how to ski at 42 was not easy! Most of Anchorage is kind of crappy, but I've lived in Eagle River all this time and love it. We've taken hopper flights to Hickam and Travis, so that can get your mind off the cold and dark in the winter. And it's easy to do it! But people think Elmendorf is cold, dark, and miserable, they haven't been to the rest of the state like I have. I've been to the North Slope, Galena, Fort Yukon, Barrow, Nome, Kotzebue, Bethel, McGrath, and the like. You will love Anchorage after going to those places. Eielson is the more humble cousin of Elmendorf and Fairbanks is an even grittier place with hotter and colder weather and not as friendly of people. As for entertainment in Anchorage, there is a huge shopping center and movie theater that opened up outside the Muldoon gate 2 years ago and before it was much more limited. And you have your share of ghettos next to the base, particularly the Mountain View one, which is the equivalent to Lackland's Valley Hi.

jondstewart
09-23-2013, 12:41 AM
I forgot to include my tech school and TDY bases:

Lowry AFB, Colorado: I loved it there, but Denver was kind of dumpy back then. Now it's a shopping center and the base pretty much gone
Fairford, England: a bare base I recall in the middle of nowhere. First TDY
Moron AB, Spain: a totally dead place, I went there TDY in 1991 for 2 weeks. However, Sevilla and a nice topless beach called Torremolinos were very nice! Spanish girls, mmm!
Eskan Village, Saudi Arabia: Great TDY, I worked 2 on and 1 off and shopped at the Gold, Filipino Market, Shoula Mall, and ate at a great place near the mall that had Turkish food
PSAB, Saudi Arabia: That was after the Khobar Towers bombing. Couldn't leave the base. This was 1998 and I learned how to use the internet for the first time and e-mail, so that kind of cured my boredom
Diego Garcia, Indian Ocean: a miniature Guam. Beautiful island with manageable weather that had ugly concrete buildings occupied mostly by Navy and Merchant Mariners, a rather strange bunch. And the Brit Club on weekends was the happening place! You could drink in your tents at Camp Justice on the Air Force side. And if it didn't rain for more than 2 days in a row, you had a drought!
Afghanistan: first on a FOB in 2006 for a whole year and second on Bagram in 2009 for 6 months. Dusty, muddy, dusty, muddy all the time and everywhere! Afghans were overall great people and I made friends with many, but the kids are damned annoying always begging for things!

Nickymaz
09-23-2013, 01:03 AM
Good and bad things about each of my assignments. My favorite has been Davis-Monthan. The base is outstanding with great facilities. I really like the way the base is laid out, it just makes sense, except for the clinic being behind the golf course. The fitness center was great too. The base supports a wide variety of missions; A-10s, EC-130s, HH-60s, PJs, 12th AF and the 612th AOC.

The city of Tucson is great. It has some cool neighborhoods and awesome food. Even though there is a large military presence it doesn't feel like a military town, especially with the University of Arizona there. The culture is an interesting mix of old west, California and Mexican. The city is located in the shadows on the beautiful Santa Catalina Mountains and in 20 minutes you can be in world class hiking and drive up to the top of Mt Lemmon.

The Bad: There are some not nice areas, the southern part of the city is a little rough. Also, the heat is unreal. Granted it's a dry heat but it's still very oppressive in the summer (110 can be a 'normal' high temp). The winters are really nice but there really is only 2 seasons; warm and surface of the sun.

Overall I really liked DM, I'd go back and I'd recommend it to anyone for an assignment.