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kenny10
01-07-2010, 09:15 AM
So can someone please tell me why...............an O1 gets more BAH than a Sgt and so on. What is everyones opinions on this?
They already get more pay, why do they get to live better?

firenomore
01-07-2010, 09:24 AM
So can someone please tell me why...............an O1 gets more BAH than a Sgt and so on. What is everyones opinions on this?
They already get more pay, why do they get to live better?

All I can say is RHIP.

Bearstone
01-07-2010, 09:27 AM
Smart ass answer: They need a bigger place for all that stuff they can afford to buy with the extra money they make.

They're officers. Part of the perk of taking the time to go to college, get a degree and then be commissioned is a better standard of living. It's almost officer 101. What's your beef with it, specifically? You don't mind that they get paid more than you, even though the potential exists (these days) that you could actually have achieved a higher level of education than some of them, but you DO mind that their housing benefits are commensurate with their status as an officer?

dkalis
01-07-2010, 09:39 AM
[QUOTE=Bearstone;321618]: They need a bigger place for all that stuff they can afford to buy with the extra money they make.
QUOTE]

Topic closed? lol

kenny10
01-07-2010, 12:08 PM
Smart ass answer: They need a bigger place for all that stuff they can afford to buy with the extra money they make.

They're officers. Part of the perk of taking the time to go to college, get a degree and then be commissioned is a better standard of living. It's almost officer 101. What's your beef with it, specifically? You don't mind that they get paid more than you, even though the potential exists (these days) that you could actually have achieved a higher level of education than some of them, but you DO mind that their housing benefits are commensurate with their status as an officer?

Don't put words in my mouth or guess my opinion. My question was specifically on officer BAH, not on officer pay. Yeah I got beef with that as well.......

Measure Man
01-07-2010, 12:16 PM
So can someone please tell me why...............an O1 gets more BAH than a Sgt and so on. What is everyones opinions on this?
They already get more pay, why do they get to live better?

The get more BAH because they are authorized better housing...

Why would someone go to college and earn a commission only to have their family live in worse housing?

What's the point of getting more money is you don't get to live better?

SKLAV
01-07-2010, 01:00 PM
Because they made a smart decision and did what it took to earn a commision and better standard of living. Officers get paid more because they have a much higher level of responsability, same as in the civilain world and everywhere else...in exchange for doing more work and getting more responsability they earn more benifits and pay. Its the American way if you looking for equality then meet the same standards as the person you want to be equal too. If you want to get the same benifits as the the guy who has achieved more then you, move to a socialist or communist nation.

FLAPS
01-07-2010, 01:14 PM
So can someone please tell me why...............an O1 gets more BAH than a Sgt and so on. What is everyones opinions on this?
They already get more pay, why do they get to live better?

Are you referring to a SSgt or SMSgt? As pay goes, an 0-1 actually makes less than most "Sgts," as they should. However, there is a disparity between officers and enlisted with BAH that should be fixed, and that's to tie it to rank AND TIS. No reason I see for a SMSgt to get less than a single Capt with only 6 years TIS just for the mere fact that as people get older they they tend to have more stuff and larger families. I haven't checked the actual rates to compare the SMSgt to Capt, so this was just an example.

kenny10
01-07-2010, 02:38 PM
Because they made a smart decision and did what it took to earn a commision and better standard of living. Officers get paid more because they have a much higher level of responsability, same as in the civilain world and everywhere else...in exchange for doing more work and getting more responsability they earn more benifits and pay. Its the American way if you looking for equality then meet the same standards as the person you want to be equal too. If you want to get the same benifits as the the guy who has achieved more then you, move to a socialist or communist nation.

lmao! shut up! I hope to GOD you are not an officer cause you can't spell for sh*t. What a dumb response
Degrees are just peices of paper nowadays

Measure Man
01-07-2010, 02:40 PM
lmao! shut up! I hope to GOD you are not an officer cause you can't spell for sh*t. What a dumb response
Degrees are just peices of paper nowadays

Pieces of paper that help you get a better job.

kenny10
01-07-2010, 02:43 PM
Are you referring to a SSgt or SMSgt? As pay goes, an 0-1 actually makes less than most "Sgts," as they should. However, there is a disparity between officers and enlisted with BAH that should be fixed, and that's to tie it to rank AND TIS. No reason I see for a SMSgt to get less than a single Capt with only 6 years TIS just for the mere fact that as people get older they they tend to have more stuff and larger families. I haven't checked the actual rates to compare the SMSgt to Capt, so this was just an example.

Well I looked at the BAH Rates and O-1's were given more BAH than Sgt's every single time. An E-6 made about 5 dollars more than a O1. An o2 made more than an E-7, bullcrap

SKLAV
01-07-2010, 02:48 PM
Nope not an Officer, yeup i know i spell like crap and my grammer sucks although you didnt mention it. What gave you the sense of entitlement that you deserve something without earning it, i know i made a stupid decision and didnt go to college before i came in. You had the same choice to make and you chose your path whatever that is. Officers chose the path to go to college and live a better life.

kenny10
01-07-2010, 04:03 PM
Nope not an Officer, yeup i know i spell like crap and my grammer sucks although you didnt mention it. What gave you the sense of entitlement that you deserve something without earning it, i know i made a stupid decision and didnt go to college before i came in. You had the same choice to make and you chose your path whatever that is. Officers chose the path to go to college and live a better life.

LMAO stop, seriously just stop now. Sense of entitlement that I deserve to get the same damn BAH pay as a boot ass LT who wanted to party hard throughout colllege.........I've done more in my first three years, that a damn boot ass LT yet they get to have higher living standards than me just because they have a degree? You are f'n kidding me

SKLAV
01-07-2010, 04:29 PM
Nope they get payed more because they have demonstrated meeting deadlines, holding responsability, intelligence, writing ability, critical thinking abilities, not to mention they also met the required standard to get the benifits, you havnt. As an O-1 they will be directly held responsabile for more lives and euipment then you and required to make tactical decisons and plan operations. A good Lt will seek recommendadtions from more experinced members of his Platoon so he can make the best informed decision. If something goes wrong the commander isnt going to put a Sgts ass on the chopping block it will be your Plt Commanders butt on the line. I Agree ,a degree is just a piece of paper and i ve seen some complete idiots with them however they worked to meet the standard you didnt.

kenny10
01-07-2010, 04:31 PM
Nope they get payed more because they have demonstrated meeting deadlines, holding responsability, intelligence, writing ability, critical thinking abilities, not to mention they also met the required standard to get the benifits, you havnt. As an O-1 they will be directly held responsabile for more lives and euipment then you and required to make tactical decisons and plan operations. A good Lt will seek recommendadtions from more experinced members of his Platoon so he can make the best informed decision. If something goes wrong the commander isnt going to put a Sgts ass on the chopping block it will be your Plt Commanders butt on the line. I Agree ,a degree is just a piece of paper and i ve seen some complete idiots with them however they worked to meet the standard you didnt.

oh hahahahahahhahahhaha I can't even comment back on this one. who the hell are you anyways? Are you even in the damn military? What a crock of crap.

SKLAV
01-07-2010, 04:43 PM
yeup sure am

NRTrackChamp2004
01-07-2010, 05:02 PM
Nope they get payed more because they have demonstrated meeting deadlines, holding responsability, intelligence, writing ability, critical thinking abilities, not to mention they also met the required standard to get the benifits, you havnt. As an O-1 they will be directly held responsabile for more lives and euipment then you and required to make tactical decisons and plan operations. A good Lt will seek recommendadtions from more experinced members of his Platoon so he can make the best informed decision. If something goes wrong the commander isnt going to put a Sgts ass on the chopping block it will be your Plt Commanders butt on the line. I Agree ,a degree is just a piece of paper and i ve seen some complete idiots with them however they worked to meet the standard you didnt.
WOW!! What fantasy world are you in? haha!

SKLAV
01-07-2010, 05:11 PM
The Marine Corps

SKLAV
01-07-2010, 05:19 PM
Our Corps gives us ample oppurtunity to move up in rank and earn a commision. If you fail to take advantage of it it is your own fault no one is limiting your upward mobility but yourselves. If you hate officers because they earn more then you too bad they earned it and took advantage of the available Marine Officer Programs that you also can do. If you dont want the money then dont do it its that simple.

NRTrackChamp2004
01-07-2010, 06:31 PM
If only everything was so easy, black and white, and cut and dried.

SailorDave
01-07-2010, 06:44 PM
This is the age old argument of blue vs white collar. Why does my boss make more money than me just because he is management and I'm not ?? It's because companies and the military have placed value on that degree and what it may have taken to earn it. That value is in terms of compensation. If you want someone with particular skills, and you as a collective unit (the military or company) have determined that a four year college degree is the prerequisite, then you must be prepared to provide incentive for those people to earn the degree and receive the commission. Those incentives are higher pay or benefits.

It's supply and demand, folks. Not rocket science. To be an officer (not CWO/LDO) you must have a degree. Do that, we'll pay you more and give you better living conditions. Don't do it, and you don't get the extras.

SKLAV
01-08-2010, 06:05 AM
If only everything was so easy, black and white, and cut and dried.

It is that easy dont make bad choices, go to school, and apply for one of the many commisoning programs. Providing you have what it takes to make it through all the training youll be an officer. Like i said before no one is limiting your upward mobility but yourself.

E4RUMOR
01-08-2010, 11:57 AM
lmao! shut up! I hope to GOD you are not an officer cause you can't spell for sh*t. What a dumb response
Degrees are just peices of paper nowadays

And now we know why you aren't an officer...lol... it's P-I-E-C-E-S....not P-E-I-C-E-S.....

E4RUMOR
01-08-2010, 12:00 PM
But in all fairness, I recant a little of my last. You don't have to know how to spell in order to be an officer. I've met lieutenants that didn't know how to spell their own rank... it's pretty pathetic actually.

Shrike
01-08-2010, 12:15 PM
And now we know why you aren't an officer...lol... it's P-I-E-C-E-S....not P-E-I-C-E-S.....

And you failed to correctly use ellipses. Using improper grammar while pointing out someone else's spelling error; yep, must be the internet.

:rolleyes:

SKLAV
01-08-2010, 12:57 PM
yeup like i stated before my spelling and grammer sucks. Also I agree degrees are just pieces of paper and quite easy to obtain. However no one has yet supported their argument as to why and E-5 should get better benefits then an O-1. If you want the money then go get your piece of paper a quit complaining.

ChiefB
01-08-2010, 01:09 PM
And you failed to correctly use ellipses. Using improper grammar while pointing out someone else's spelling error; yep, must be the internet.

:rolleyes:

Also, your failure to recognize the evolution of the ellipsis.:tongue:

"The ellipsis is one of the favorite constructions of internet chat rooms, and has evolved over the past ten years into a staple of text-messaging. Though an ellipsis is technically complete with three periods (...), its rise in popularity as a "trailing-off" or "silence" indicator, particularly in mid-20th century comic strip and comic book prose writing, has led to expanded uses online. It has been used in new ways online, sometimes at the end of a message "to signal that the rest of the message is forthcoming." [5] (http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/#cite_note-4)

Today, extended ellipsis of two, seven, ten, or even dozens of periods have become common constructions in internet chat rooms and text messages.[6] (http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/#cite_note-dots-5)
"Elliptical commas", or, commas used in plurality for the effect of ellipsis or multiple ellipsis, have also grown in popularity online—though no style journal or manual has yet embraced them."

Grammar guides still discourage placing a conjunction at the start of a sentence, such as "And". If you do, a comma is required (normally) after the conjunction.:tongue:

Just saying.:D

ChiefB

Shrike
01-08-2010, 01:12 PM
Also, your failure to recognize the evolution of the ellipsis.:tongue:

"The ellipsis is one of the favorite constructions of internet chat rooms, and has evolved over the past ten years into a staple of text-messaging. Though an ellipsis is technically complete with three periods (...), its rise in popularity as a "trailing-off" or "silence" indicator, particularly in mid-20th century comic strip and comic book prose writing, has led to expanded uses online. It has been used in new ways online, sometimes at the end of a message "to signal that the rest of the message is forthcoming." [5] (http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/#cite_note-4)

Today, extended ellipsis of two, seven, ten, or even dozens of periods have become common constructions in internet chat rooms and text messages.[6] (http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/#cite_note-dots-5)
"Elliptical commas", or, commas used in plurality for the effect of ellipsis or multiple ellipsis, have also grown in popularity online—though no style journal or manual has yet embraced them."

Grammar guides still discourage placing a conjunction at the start of a sentence, such as "And". If you do, a comma is required (normally) after the conjunction.:tongue:

Just saying.:D

ChiefB
I'm a grammar dinosaur, ChiefB, and I willfully refuse to change with the times. :)

ChiefB
01-08-2010, 01:25 PM
I'm a grammar dinosaur, ChiefB, and I willfully refuse to change with the times. :)

Just the same, its quite impressive to meet someone that recognizes the plural of "ellipsis".... "you failed to correctly use ellipses."

Touche!

ChiefB

kenny10
01-08-2010, 02:03 PM
And now we know why you aren't an officer...lol... it's P-I-E-C-E-S....not P-E-I-C-E-S.....

That was a typo! I don't think I have ever spelled a word wrong on this website and I'm 16 credits short of my degree buddy.

kenny10
01-08-2010, 02:06 PM
yeup like i stated before my spelling and grammer sucks. Also I agree degrees are just pieces of paper and quite easy to obtain. However no one has yet supported their argument as to why and E-5 should get better benefits then an O-1. If you want the money then go get your piece of paper a quit complaining.

Ok I never said enlisted should get BETTER benefits. I said equal housing benefits

SKLAV
01-08-2010, 05:43 PM
Ok I never said enlisted should get BETTER benefits. I said equal housing benefits

Ok then please explain why you deserve equal benifits as a person who holds a higher level of responsability then you.

TJMAC77SP
01-08-2010, 08:06 PM
Also, your failure to recognize the evolution of the ellipsis.:tongue:

"The ellipsis is one of the favorite constructions of internet chat rooms, and has evolved over the past ten years into a staple of text-messaging. Though an ellipsis is technically complete with three periods (...), its rise in popularity as a "trailing-off" or "silence" indicator, particularly in mid-20th century comic strip and comic book prose writing, has led to expanded uses online. It has been used in new ways online, sometimes at the end of a message "to signal that the rest of the message is forthcoming." [5] (http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/#cite_note-4)

Today, extended ellipsis of two, seven, ten, or even dozens of periods have become common constructions in internet chat rooms and text messages.[6] (http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/#cite_note-dots-5)
"Elliptical commas", or, commas used in plurality for the effect of ellipsis or multiple ellipsis, have also grown in popularity online—though no style journal or manual has yet embraced them."

Grammar guides still discourage placing a conjunction at the start of a sentence, such as "And". If you do, a comma is required (normally) after the conjunction.:tongue:

Just saying.:D

ChiefB

Hell !!!!....I am an educated man......and didn't know what the hell an ellipsis was.

.........guess I am not so educated after all.

((and I also don't write haiku))

Bearstone
01-09-2010, 08:18 AM
Don't put words in my mouth or guess my opinion. My question was specifically on officer BAH, not on officer pay. Yeah I got beef with that as well.......

I didn't; I asked a question. Do you mind answering the question fully, now?

technomage1
01-11-2010, 01:32 PM
Officers get more BAH because it's part of their overall compenstation package.

ringjamesa
01-11-2010, 06:54 PM
yeup like i stated before my spelling and grammer sucks. Also I agree degrees are just pieces of paper and quite easy to obtain. However no one has yet supported their argument as to why and E-5 should get better benefits then an O-1. If you want the money then go get your piece of paper a quit complaining.

So you are of the opinion that Enlisted with degrees should get more BAH? And officers without a degree should get less? Interesting.

Zwerge
01-26-2010, 03:43 AM
Officers get more BAH because it's part of their overall compenstation package.

Exactly....and why would anyone want to join the military as an officer if they didn't get paid more? Without the perks of more pay/better housing, the "status" of being an officer would get old very quick.

SailorDave
01-26-2010, 03:46 AM
So you are of the opinion that Enlisted with degrees should get more BAH? And officers without a degree should get less? Interesting.
The only officers without degrees are LDO/CWOs. And many of those have their degrees, too.

imported_LOAL-D
01-26-2010, 03:52 AM
Can we get back to the elipses discussion please?...:cool:

Gold_Reaper
01-26-2010, 11:13 AM
So you are of the opinion that Enlisted with degrees should get more BAH? And officers without a degree should get less? Interesting.

No. Because no matter how much more education the NCO has, the Officer still has more responsibility. It's not about education, it's not about BAH, it's not about time in service, it's about responsibility. NCOs do not hold the same level of responsibility as Officers, which is why they get paid more.

If you want to get paid more, do what I did. Get your commission and stop whining. I get tired of hearing about this all across the military. Blah blah blah, they get paid more. I tell you what. You can come to my unit and be in charge for a day. When something goes wrong, whether it's your fault or not, you can have my LTC give you a call and tear you a new a-hole for a while. Then maybe you'll understand.

I swear, this really bothers me, A LOT.

Back to BAH. It's all about the perks. If I got the same BAH as a E-3, I'd have a serious issue with that as a O-2 with a much higher level of responsibility and education (yeah I know, I'm sure there's some E-3 with a Master's Degree somewhere Got it). You can replace E-3 with E-7, and it still wouldn't matter.

technomage1
01-26-2010, 02:19 PM
I will say that there should be (and in fact are) minimum and maximum levels of expected housing. It wouldn't be fair to the E1 to live in a cardboard box while the General lives in a mansion. Having said that, the General should have better housing than an E1. Heck, an Lt should have better housing than a CMSgt. RHIP, they are the officers and we are the enlisted.

imported_INGUARD
01-26-2010, 02:56 PM
This is the age old argument of blue vs white collar. Why does my boss make more money than me just because he is management and I'm not ?? It's because companies and the military have placed value on that degree and what it may have taken to earn it. That value is in terms of compensation. If you want someone with particular skills, and you as a collective unit (the military or company) have determined that a four year college degree is the prerequisite, then you must be prepared to provide incentive for those people to earn the degree and receive the commission. Those incentives are higher pay or benefits.

It's supply and demand, folks. Not rocket science. To be an officer (not CWO/LDO) you must have a degree. Do that, we'll pay you more and give you better living conditions. Don't do it, and you don't get the extras.

+1. You are right. I am a CWO and I get the same BAH as an E-6. :confused:

DABOYOTRONICS04
01-28-2010, 05:41 AM
Previous responses to this post are biased and probably from the lower ranking officer community. If anyone thinks in their mind that an O-1 has more responsibility then any E-7 through E-9 they are delusional. The reason that BAH is higher for Officers then any of the enlisted ranks besides E-9 is because of these factors;

1. The Officer Association has a powerful lobbying force in congress and the senate.

2. There are less officers than enlisted so it is cheaper to provide better housing for officers.

3. It is a way to retain individuals who have a college degree by offering them a tax free incentive and descent housing.

The problem with this is the same problem I see with the military structure the officer ranks has swelled beyond the requirements of the military. We do not need the amount of officer to enlisted ratio that we currently have in the Navy alone we have a ratio of 1 officer to 5 enlisted. This is ridiculous and is a terrible waste of money. We can do with a 1 enlisted to 10 officers this would cut the officer force down by half. It would free up 1.8 billon dollars a year in the Navy alone (25000 officers average pay a month 6000 x 12 months). This in turn would allow the amount of BAH to increase throughout the ranks. This would also allow more enlisted personnel to own homes…… It would also put more responsibilities on the officers that are out there. So what are we waiting for? This is not about BAH but a question of one of the seven deadly sins gluttony of the officer corps.

ChiefB
01-28-2010, 06:47 AM
Hell !!!!....I am an educated man......and didn't know what the hell an ellipsis was.

.........guess I am not so educated after all.

((and I also don't write haiku))

Well, now you are even more edumecated!

ChiefB

ChiefB
01-28-2010, 07:10 AM
To whom this may apply:

When will this "penis" envy ever end?

The officers make more BAH than the enlisted....WHAAAAAAAA!
The officers make more Basic Pay than the enlisted....WHAAAAAAAAA!
The officers make more flight pay than the enlisted....WHAAAAAAA!

With what the average enlisted brings to the table, initially, they are paid very well.

With what the enlisted brings to the table mid career, they are paid damn well.

With what the enlisted brings to the table as a SNCO, they are paid well.

Who gives a rats that a General gets paid X dollars and a Chief gets paid Y dollars?

Officer responsibility, command, delegated authority and executive leadership are what makes the monetary difference.

Get over this false comparison/discrimination red herring.

Its embarrassing how crass and envious all this enlisted whining becomes. We are better than all that.

Do any of you chronic officer bashers have any self respect at all? In all levels of employment, the pay and perks increase with position and authority. The AF and other services are not one damn bit different.

Meet the higher requirements and training and get the pay...period.

Otherwise, be grateful you can still hold a job as a chronic, and shallow malcontent.

ChiefB

ChiefB
01-28-2010, 07:19 AM
Can we get back to the elipses discussion please?...:cool:

Ok, I'm gonna learn ya.... its ellipsis:rolleyes:

ChiefB

Goose(SW)
01-28-2010, 05:54 PM
If you dont like it, advance!!!! I was recently selected for FY-10 STA-21 and I'm about to have a full plate of college and military duties for the next couple of years. I have also served 7 1/2 yrs as an enlistedman earning my right to be called a First Class Petty Officer in a rate of 1.3% advancement. Are you going to tell me i dont deserve a little incentive for busting my hump to put a package together, committing to my current off duty education and earning my commission as a Naval Officer? Whats next, are you going to complain that calling an Officer "Sir or Ma'am" is too politcally correct?

kojack
02-01-2010, 06:48 AM
Why shouldnt lower enlisted be paid the same as NCOs? Lots of E3s have duties(or have had to assume them) that are the same as NCOs. Why do they have to "advance" to make more money? It should be the same for all ranks...

Shrike
02-01-2010, 11:59 AM
Why shouldnt lower enlisted be paid the same as NCOs? Lots of E3s have duties(or have had to assume them) that are the same as NCOs. Why do they have to "advance" to make more money? It should be the same for all ranks...

You honestly believe a 17-year old E-1 should be entitled to the same housing as a 55-year old O-10?

navyasw02
02-06-2010, 09:58 PM
Why is this thread still open? It reeks of jealousy. If you dont like officer BAH, either don't complain or go get your commission. Rank has its privileges, and a higher BAH is one of them.

Pueblo
02-09-2010, 12:20 PM
You honestly believe a 17-year old E-1 should be entitled to the same housing as a 55-year old O-10?

Of course he does; he's a socialist

rykrisp
05-11-2010, 02:31 PM
In my opinion, an officer's pay already reflects his higher learning. Why should he be entitled to more money to house himself and his family? If he wants a nicer home than an enlisted man, he has enough money from his monthly take-home to pay for it. I believe that BAH should be allotted according to how many people for which one must provide a home. It annoys me to no end that there are service members who have only a spouse, and they get as much or MORE BAH than our family with 5 children. Please think about the fact that if we live on base, we are entitled to a 4 or 5 bedroom house, whereas the person with only the spouse is entitled to a 2-bedroom. Why doesn't the BAH reflect this?

Shrike
05-11-2010, 11:11 PM
In my opinion, an officer's pay already reflects his higher learning. Why should he be entitled to more money to house himself and his family? If he wants a nicer home than an enlisted man, he has enough money from his monthly take-home to pay for it. I believe that BAH should be allotted according to how many people for which one must provide a home. It annoys me to no end that there are service members who have only a spouse, and they get as much or MORE BAH than our family with 5 children. Please think about the fact that if we live on base, we are entitled to a 4 or 5 bedroom house, whereas the person with only the spouse is entitled to a 2-bedroom. Why doesn't the BAH reflect this?

I encourage you to look through this BAH section, as this is a topic that has been beat to everlovin' death on here.

rykrisp
05-12-2010, 03:11 AM
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the name of this thread was "Officer BAH vs Enlisted." If you don't want to see it "beat to everlovin' death," maybe you shouldn't follow the post any longer! : P Though I didn't read each post word-for-word, I did skim them, and I don't believe that anyone in previous posts suggested that BAH might be more fair if it was distributed according to family size! If you want to reply, why don't you tell me why you think there is a discrepancy between on-base house size vs. BAH for families with varying numbers of members...

Shrike
05-12-2010, 11:08 AM
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the name of this thread was "Officer BAH vs Enlisted." If you don't want to see it "beat to everlovin' death," maybe you shouldn't follow the post any longer! : P Though I didn't read each post word-for-word, I did skim them, and I don't believe that anyone in previous posts suggested that BAH might be more fair if it was distributed according to family size! If you want to reply, why don't you tell me why you think there is a discrepancy between on-base house size vs. BAH for families with varying numbers of members...

I didn't say thread, I said "section"; there is a difference. To expound upon my previous explicit comment: in this entire section titled "BAH" - which contains multiple threads - there are numerous threads in which greedy, me-first whiners put forth their incredibly weak and/or selfish arguments for why the government should subsidize their personal life choices. Many other posters then rebutted them. Better?

Sorry for the snottiness, but I replied in reaction to your tone.

rykrisp
05-12-2010, 12:52 PM
Rude Mr. Snarky still hasn't answered my BAH vs. housing question....

Shrike
05-13-2010, 12:42 AM
Rude Mr. Snarky still hasn't answered my BAH vs. housing question....

Just 52 seconds.


That's how long it took me to find not one, not two, but three threads that discuss what you want to discuss. Two were still active, one was in the archives. I didn't even use the advanced search function, I just looked for threads that had generated the most discussion, clicked on them, and saw that what was being discussed was what you were looking for.


:deadhorse

ChaosTony
03-24-2011, 08:42 PM
I will say that there should be (and in fact are) minimum and maximum levels of expected housing. It wouldn't be fair to the E1 to live in a cardboard box while the General lives in a mansion. Having said that, the General should have better housing than an E1. Heck, an Lt should have better housing than a CMSgt. RHIP, they are the officers and we are the enlisted.

Ok, I've seen you post plenty technomage, and I know you're not stupid. So tell me why you would post something so dumb?

TheHarleyMan2
06-28-2011, 03:55 AM
I DISAGREE! BAH is SUPPOSED to be paid accordingly to the cost of living in the zip code of where one lives as home of record. Rank shouldn't have anything to do with it!

But, you know the system! Always F&#king the enlisted over!

ares7
08-21-2011, 07:48 AM
I don't think there would be a problem with Officer vs. Enlisted BAH if the only way you could become an Officer was to be an Enlisted Marine before.

FLAPS
08-21-2011, 12:12 PM
I DISAGREE! BAH is SUPPOSED to be paid accordingly to the cost of living in the zip code of where one lives as home of record. Rank shouldn't have anything to do with it!

But, you know the system! Always F&#king the enlisted over!


Let me guess, you did not voluntarily enlist. Your dad forced you to enlist and when you asked to review the pay and bah charts first, your request was denied.

In all seriousness, I think BAH should be based on TIS only, NOT rank and NOT the number of hungry mouths that people choose to pop out.

Ender
08-21-2011, 01:23 PM
In all seriousness, I think BAH should be based on TIS only, NOT rank and NOT the number of hungry mouths that people choose to pop out.

Amen to that.

Banned
08-21-2011, 04:02 PM
Some of the couples I've seen in the Marines... they make Eugenics sound like a real good idea.

Think about it. The people of Jacksonville NC aren't exactly scholars to begin with... then you interbreed them with the "best and the brightest" of the USMC? Genetic Disaster. I can hear the DNA screaming.

Ender
08-21-2011, 08:03 PM
Not only that, its been scientifically proven that Marines are 10 times more likely to return to their home of record (usually somewhere in Texas or the mid-west) on their first chance to take leave, and marry the biggest cow of a woman they can find. The import ratio of hottie to heifer is astounding. If this has been going on for the entire 70 years of Camp Lejeune's history, and I suspect that it has, you can accurately assess that a certain percentage of these bovine-like wives have made it back into the wild. Not being the type to venture very far on their own, naturally they would have settled among the already dismal population of Jacksonville, ultimately upsetting whatever hotness/ugliness balance that they may have had.

kojack
08-31-2011, 10:50 PM
This is all about social justice. Thats why many enlisted earn much higher TAX FREE quarters allownace than their commissioned "counterpart-equals". The higher tax free housing "equals" out the pay. If the officers don't like it, too bad. They better keep their mouths shut because pretty soon with the new 360 degree evaluations, NCOs will soon be "rating and supervising" their officer "supervisors" and commanders. If the officers want a good OER, than they better keep their mouths shut and do what they are told.

ChaosTony
09-01-2011, 08:06 PM
This is all about social justice. Thats why many enlisted earn much higher TAX FREE quarters allownace than their commissioned "counterpart-equals". The higher tax free housing "equals" out the pay. If the officers don't like it, too bad. They better keep their mouths shut because pretty soon with the new 360 degree evaluations, NCOs will soon be "rating and supervising" their officer "supervisors" and commanders. If the officers want a good OER, than they better keep their mouths shut and do what they are told.

wat :wacko

TheHarleyMan2
09-03-2011, 09:31 PM
This is all about social justice. Thats why many enlisted earn much higher TAX FREE quarters allownace than their commissioned "counterpart-equals". The higher tax free housing "equals" out the pay. If the officers don't like it, too bad. They better keep their mouths shut because pretty soon with the new 360 degree evaluations, NCOs will soon be "rating and supervising" their officer "supervisors" and commanders. If the officers want a good OER, than they better keep their mouths shut and do what they are told.

This is the first I heard of this. Wouldn't that get some shitty leadership officers cleaned out of the military, but I don't forsee that ever happening. After all officers haev the power of the pen and just like ALL officers they cover each others ass, due to the "OFFICERS CODE".

If that is true, you can bet some officer higher up is going to make sure the OER against a shitty officer isn't going to ruin his "OFFICER BUDDIES" career! Count on it!

imported_Sgt HULK
09-25-2011, 09:52 AM
This is all about social justice. Thats why many enlisted earn much higher TAX FREE quarters allownace than their commissioned "counterpart-equals". The higher tax free housing "equals" out the pay. If the officers don't like it, too bad. They better keep their mouths shut because pretty soon with the new 360 degree evaluations, NCOs will soon be "rating and supervising" their officer "supervisors" and commanders. If the officers want a good OER, than they better keep their mouths shut and do what they are told.

wtf are you smoking

Pueblo
09-25-2011, 09:10 PM
wtf are you smoking

Kojack is the enlisted version of smarg. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

JD2780
09-25-2011, 09:54 PM
Our CC wanted our Ft CCs writing on everybody. Granted its only flights of like 8 or 9 guys but seriously? The guy has never written an EPR and I'm willing to bet neither has our CC.

imported_UncommonSense
09-27-2011, 06:12 PM
That was a typo! I don't think I have ever spelled a word wrong on this website and I'm 16 credits short of my degree buddy.

Challenge accepted

Creaminess
12-14-2011, 04:07 PM
I'm late to the party, but I'm gonna chime in anyway.

Yes, officers of certain ranks make more BAH than enlisted of certain ranks. Same with base pay. An E-9 makes more money than a W-3. You can argue it's level of responsibility or whatever, but the bottom line is that's how the pay scale is.

As for the disparity in BAH, let me answer the original question with questions of my own:

Why do enlisted get more BAS than officers and warrants? Are enlisted more hungry?

Why do enlisted get a clothing allowance but officers and warrants do not? Don't officers and warrants need to replace clothing items as well?

Don't tell me enlisted all use that clothing allowance every year to replace clothing. I was enlisted for 13 years before I made a smart move, and I rarely ever used my full clothing allowance for uniforms.

Bottom line: If you don't like your financial situation in the military, do something to change it. Get promoted, go to WOCS, go to OCS...do something. Stop crying about what you don't have because you haven't tried to get there. But realize that if you do that, there are additional responsibilities you will incur. Don't just do it for the money.

jazzcat23
12-14-2011, 06:48 PM
Be satisfied with what you've earned. If you desire more, then go earn more. Don't sit around and complain because those who made different decisions receive different outcomes.

JD2780
12-14-2011, 08:13 PM
I'm late to the party, but I'm gonna chime in anyway.

Yes, officers of certain ranks make more BAH than enlisted of certain ranks. Same with base pay. An E-9 makes more money than a W-3. You can argue it's level of responsibility or whatever, but the bottom line is that's how the pay scale is.

As for the disparity in BAH, let me answer the original question with questions of my own:

Why do enlisted get more BAS than officers and warrants? Are enlisted more hungry?

Why do enlisted get a clothing allowance but officers and warrants do not? Don't officers and warrants need to replace clothing items as well?

Don't tell me enlisted all use that clothing allowance every year to replace clothing. I was enlisted for 13 years before I made a smart move, and I rarely ever used my full clothing allowance for uniforms.

Bottom line: If you don't like your financial situation in the military, do something to change it. Get promoted, go to WOCS, go to OCS...do something. Stop crying about what you don't have because you haven't tried to get there. But realize that if you do that, there are additional responsibilities you will incur. Don't just do it for the money.

No in the AF officers dont need to replace uniforms. Utilities anyways because they dont wreck them by working. They may need new blues from sitting behind there desks and having their asses expanding through ever minute of every day.

Just wanted to be that guy that has an asshat comment.

imported_Sgt HULK
12-15-2011, 06:15 AM
I'm late to the party, but I'm gonna chime in anyway.

Yes, officers of certain ranks make more BAH than enlisted of certain ranks. Same with base pay. An E-9 makes more money than a W-3. You can argue it's level of responsibility or whatever, but the bottom line is that's how the pay scale is.

As for the disparity in BAH, let me answer the original question with questions of my own:

Why do enlisted get more BAS than officers and warrants? Are enlisted more hungry?

Why do enlisted get a clothing allowance but officers and warrants do not? Don't officers and warrants need to replace clothing items as well?

Don't tell me enlisted all use that clothing allowance every year to replace clothing. I was enlisted for 13 years before I made a smart move, and I rarely ever used my full clothing allowance for uniforms.

Bottom line: If you don't like your financial situation in the military, do something to change it. Get promoted, go to WOCS, go to OCS...do something. Stop crying about what you don't have because you haven't tried to get there. But realize that if you do that, there are additional responsibilities you will incur. Don't just do it for the money.

lol John Doe's brother Dil

Thats right guys if you want more money just go to MPF and tell them you want to be an Officer. Its that easy, quit yer bitchin

jazzcat23
12-15-2011, 12:30 PM
Officer vs enlisted BAH is always a hot topic, but it's just a straw-man. These people are really complaining that someone gets 'more' than them. Case in point: How many times have you ever seen one of these threads where the original poster begins by complaining someone down the line makes less than them? I've yet to read a thread on any forum where an NCO is complaining that s/he gets more BAH than a E-1/2/3.

BAH is part of a service member's overall compensation package. An O-9's compensation package is more than an O-2's because you can't make a general/flag officer in two years. An E-7 receives more than an E-4 because you can't make a SNCO/CPO in three years.

All that aside, if you don't like how pay and entitlements are calculated, you can walk at the end of your ADSC.

:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:l lama

Shrike
12-15-2011, 12:50 PM
Officer vs enlisted BAH is always a hot topic, but it's just a straw-man. These people are really complaining that someone gets 'more' than them. Case in point: How many times have you ever seen one of these threads where the original poster begins by complaining someone down the line makes less than them? I've yet to read a thread on any forum where an NCO is complaining that s/he gets more BAH than a E-1/2/3.

BAH is part of a service member's overall compensation package. An O-9's compensation package is more than an O-2's because you can't make a general/flag officer in two years. An E-7 receives more than an E-4 because you can't make a SNCO/CPO in three years.

All that aside, if you don't like how pay and entitlements are calculated, you can walk at the end of your ADSC.

:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:llama:l lama

You missed the officer that was here about a year ago that was bitching about enlisted getting 100% tax-free while deployed, more BAS, and getting a clothing allowance. I gave him what is the typical officer response in the reverse situation: you knew what your compensation package was, and if you want to have the tax benefit, make more BAS and get a clothing allowance you know what you need to do - resign your commission and enlist.

He failed to respond...

jazzcat23
12-15-2011, 12:57 PM
You missed the officer that was here about a year ago that was bitching about enlisted getting 100% tax-free while deployed, more BAS, and getting a clothing allowance. I gave him what is the typical officer response in the reverse situation: you knew what your compensation package was, and if you want to have the tax benefit, make more BAS and get a clothing allowance you know what you need to do - resign your commission and enlist.

He failed to respond...

Though I don't personally know that guy, clearly he's an asshat. But just like the original poster on this thread, that officer was complaining because he perceived someone was getting 'more' than him.

If people learned to be content with what they have, or make the deliberate decision to work harder to achieve more (and accept the outcome), their lives would be much more satisfying.

Pueblo
12-15-2011, 01:03 PM
You missed the officer that was here about a year ago that was bitching about enlisted getting 100% tax-free while deployed, more BAS, and getting a clothing allowance.

Pretty sure all military members, officers and enlisted, get 100% tax free while deployed

jazzcat23
12-15-2011, 01:08 PM
Pretty sure all military members, officers and enlisted, get 100% tax free while deployed

Tax-free up to the the paygrade of the services' senior enlisted advisers. There are some officers who pay taxes while over there... but they'll be okay.


Or they can walk! :llama

Newtoaf
06-19-2013, 01:16 AM
Hello, I got a couple questions regarding eligibility for BAH. I'm an electrical engineer who's planning on applying to the USAF. If I get in, i will be O-1. I'm also single. Will I be eligible to receive BAH? My recruiter says I will but I dont always trust what recruiter says... Can anyone help me out on this? Thank you.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
06-19-2013, 01:57 AM
Hello, I got a couple questions regarding eligibility for BAH. I'm an electrical engineer who's planning on applying to the USAF. If I get in, i will be O-1. I'm also single. Will I be eligible to receive BAH? My recruiter says I will but I dont always trust what recruiter says... Can anyone help me out on this? Thank you.

Yes, you will get single rate BAH.

FLAPS, USAF (ret)
06-19-2013, 02:36 AM
Under any condition? Even there's housing available at the base? Is it because I will be an officer? I see quite a few people here complains not getting it. Thank you.

There are only a few short tour locations overseas where as a single officer you will live on base and not receive BAH. However, for all stateside and most overseas locations there are no on-base single officer housing units available, and if there were they'd be optional. As an engineer you'll be assigned stateside and will get BAH.

Newtoaf
06-19-2013, 02:38 AM
Yes, you will get single rate BAH.

Under any condition? Even there's housing available at the base? Is it because I will be an officer? I see quite a few people here complains not getting it. Thank you.

CrustySMSgt
06-19-2013, 07:03 AM
Under any condition? Even there's housing available at the base? Is it because I will be an officer? I see quite a few people here complains not getting it. Thank you.

As mentioned above, unless you're on one of the very few remotes that have jr officer dorms, you'll get BAH and live off base.