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Tev1985
08-13-2009, 06:38 AM
I'm going to be graduating BFE (Basic Flight Engineer) tomorrow and really looking forward to it. I got KC-10's as my assignment at Travis AFB. I'm kind of surprised I got KC 10's seeing as to how they were my 6th choice...not that I mind. I heard a lot of really good stuff about KC-10's but was kind of hoping to be put on C-130s since I was a crew chief on them at Kirtland. I will hit my 5 year mark of being in the AF in September and have only been on 1 TDY and have never deployed, lol. I dont know what it will be like to PCS all the way from Kirtland to Travis so any information anyone could provide on PCS'ing would be greatly appreciated.

Also, any information anyone can provide about what its like to be stationed at Travis would be great. Any Maintainers or FE's out there on the KC-10's? What is the area around the base like? Where is the nicer part of town and the nicer places to live? Any KC-10's FE's that would like to divulge any Info on KC-10 IQT and to a new FE in general, would be Great :)

Bumble78
08-13-2009, 07:47 AM
I started my AF career at Kirtland (130 Crew Chief), was there for just over a year '98-'99 before going to Ramstein, than I spent 6 years at Travis. I PCSed out of there last September.

Travis
If you are wanting to live off base, look at Vacaville for an apartment, or Dixon, Davis, Winters, or Sacramento. Each of those places gets farther away. If you want to live in Fairfield look on the other side of 80. I spent 4 years Commuting from Sacramento. Was about an hour each way. If you are looking to buy a house, Sac has some good deals last I heard. The market is still pretty messed up being California and all.

I lived on base for two years and it was ok till the privatization took over. I had nothing but bad experiances with them. If my landlord in Sac hadnt sold his house I wouldnt have moved on base. It was nice for the kids, but the BS meter was off the charts. When I was trying to outprocess everytime I went in there office, there was a different chief or shirt talking to them on behalf of a troop.

I loved living in Sacramento. If you can afford the gas, I would suggest it. I heard some people say they liked living in Winters.
Travis is a great location if you are not trying to get back to the east coast for a visit. It is right between Sacramento and San Fransisco. If you are flying in I suggest Sacramento as the airport is easier to get around and the drive to Travis is usually smoother. Reno is a few hours down the road, and Tahoe is great for Skiing/Snow Boarding.

KC10s
I know one Pro-Super, a Boom, and one FE that just cross trained in. They seem like really easy planes to work on. (never have so cant say for sure) Cant say much on them.

I am not the most knowledgeable person out there and some one may disagree with me on some point but this is a short but wordy post on some things. I can go on for days. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask me.

Tev1985
08-13-2009, 09:51 PM
Wow, Thanks for the Info. So are you currently a C-130 CC or are you doing something else? My graduation went pretty well, I will be leaving for Kirtland tomorrow. I have SERE on the 31 of August through mid/late september, I'm still waiting on my IQT dates. Sacramento sounds really tempting, I love the city life. The only thing I am not looking forward to would be the traffic back home after work, did you ever have any problems with that?

Bumble78
08-13-2009, 10:59 PM
I am a C-5 C-17 Crew Cheif now, out in the en-route system.

As far as traffic, it takes 45 to an hour to get home/work most days. Depending on where you live it can be more or less, plus if you are not on a regular shift than you can get around it most of the time. I had one major accident when I was commuting, some one was reading and seemed surprised when she looked up and saw traffic in front of her, she came into my lane. I ended up off the freeway up against a tree, and she ended up upside down on the frontage road.

Other than that if you avoid the causeway by taking the 113 to the 5 you can by pass most traffic (and you can stop in woodland for Sonic, the only one in a two to three hour radius) if you live on the north side of Sac. I know several people that live in the Natomas area.

Took me about two weeks to get used the commute, and gave me plenty of time to listen to the PDG for testing purposes.

BigBaze
08-16-2009, 08:33 AM
welcome to the KC10 FE world! I finished BFE about a year ago and just got mission qualified, and deployed right away. I am out of McGuire, but out here with a bunch of Travis crews. You will love the -10, and fly a lot of cool places, especially being at Travis you guys get the trips out West more:) Definately a good plane to be an FE on, I think you'll enjoy it. Don't get injured at SERE, one of my buddies hurt is knee while out hiking in the mountains, luckily they are letting him go through SERE at a later date.

GForce
08-17-2009, 10:31 PM
Yo BigBaze, whats going on, Im new to the fourms but Ive been reading about your success thru out the whole retraining process, not tryin to jack the guys thread but do you know anything about BOP in conjunction with retraining? I just got my flight physical done last week and Im waiting for the results to get back, thing is in 2 weeks Ill be deployin so I wont be able to submit my package until ive already left, and I was told that if I wanted to apply for both that I needed to submit my BOP app with my retraining package? if you have any input Id appreciate it, Im tryin to get out of Oklahoma, and AWACS is not what I want

G

STLcards
08-18-2009, 05:46 PM
Just dont have to have surgery on anything while at Travis and your golden

???
08-18-2009, 07:05 PM
That is just wrong...funny, but wrong, even though that was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the thread.

Tev1985
08-19-2009, 06:06 AM
Big Baze, how long did it take you to go through IQT & MQT? What was the most challenging part of it all? Did you have any difficulty with anything? Any words of advice you could give me for IQT and MQT? Do you live near the Base or in Sacramento or San Francisco? My RNLTD is 31 January but I requested to leave around early-mid November. I'm really looking forward to it, but SERE first...

AfricanSnowOwl
08-19-2009, 10:26 AM
The most challenging part of KC-10 school is not killing yourself during IQT do to the extreme amount of boringness. The first 2 months are just power points and lectures. The sims are kinda cool, but it doesn't really get fun until you start FTU.

BigBaze
08-20-2009, 03:18 AM
Big Baze, how long did it take you to go through IQT & MQT? What was the most challenging part of it all? Did you have any difficulty with anything? Any words of advice you could give me for IQT and MQT? Do you live near the Base or in Sacramento or San Francisco? My RNLTD is 31 January but I requested to leave around early-mid November. I'm really looking forward to it, but SERE first...


Hey Tev, didn't mean to jack your thread, I am at McGuire. In the -10 world there is no IQT or MQT, I am sure it is the same at Travis as in McGuire as far as training, you go to the FlightSafety school on base where the contractors do your KC10 Precourse and Initial Qualification course which goes for about 3-4 months, your basic systems knowledge and about 20 sim missions, with a checkride afterwards. You then proceed to the FTU or flying training unit on base which was Air Force instructors. I got about 13 flights with an instructor before my checkride out of there. I then went up the the squadron and had to get 150 hours before I was mission qualified which included 2 cargo missions and 2 fighter drags or "coronets" upon which you could fly local missions by yourself, but for any trips you needed an instructor present. After those 150 hours you are a MF or mission ready flight engineer. On the day I became an MF I was deploying! The process from Pre Course to MF was about 7-8 months.

BigBaze
08-20-2009, 03:21 AM
Yo BigBaze, whats going on, Im new to the fourms but Ive been reading about your success thru out the whole retraining process, not tryin to jack the guys thread but do you know anything about BOP in conjunction with retraining? I just got my flight physical done last week and Im waiting for the results to get back, thing is in 2 weeks Ill be deployin so I wont be able to submit my package until ive already left, and I was told that if I wanted to apply for both that I needed to submit my BOP app with my retraining package? if you have any input Id appreciate it, Im tryin to get out of Oklahoma, and AWACS is not what I want

G


Hate to say this but you most likely will be going to AWACS. If they don't have to PCS you they will keep you there to save the AF money, unless there is a glaring need other places. It is the luck of the draw with what you get,.,.,

eichampt1
08-20-2009, 11:16 PM
Wow, Thanks for the Info. So are you currently a C-130 CC or are you doing something else? My graduation went pretty well, I will be leaving for Kirtland tomorrow. I have SERE on the 31 of August through mid/late september, I'm still waiting on my IQT dates. Sacramento sounds really tempting, I love the city life. The only thing I am not looking forward to would be the traffic back home after work, did you ever have any problems with that?

The I-80/Yolo causeway corridor between Travis and Sac is not at all that bad if you find a place north or west of downtown. It's like most other cities regarding rush hour. 0700-0900/1600-1800 is typical rush hour traffic. Travis is a great location since it's near SF, Sac, Reno/Carson, and Napa is right around the corner. The weather is mild year round too. If you can work hours other than 0700-1800 you will see minimal traffic. Good luck on your assignment.

WillsPowers
08-21-2009, 05:01 AM
Not that you will need to know, but Travis's KC10's maintenance reliability is now below that of C-5's! I heard their maintenance is really bad now. If you're coming off another airframe then you are a a complete disadvantage! Enjoy your broke airframe and time in the desert. C-5 crews will be at the Hilton, but Habib will make sure your tent is comfy!:eek:

BigBaze
08-22-2009, 02:15 PM
Not that you will need to know, but Travis's KC10's maintenance reliability is now below that of C-5's! I heard their maintenance is really bad now. If you're coming off another airframe then you are a a complete disadvantage! Enjoy your broke airframe and time in the desert. C-5 crews will be at the Hilton, but Habib will make sure your tent is comfy!:eek:


Another completely ignorant blanket statement from you...but I am not surprised after reading your daily blather about Jill Metzger. I am flying out of McGuire but when deployed we fly on Travis jets as well, every time I have stepped to one of their aircraft it has taken off, flown a 12 hour mission, landed and been turned again right after we landed for another crew. The Travis maintainers work their asses off just like the McGuire crews do to keep an old, overflown airframe still flying. I suppose we can expect a post from you in the next few days "Jill Metzger grounds Travis KC10's for 3 weeks while stealing funds for her marathon." We don't stay in tents in the desert, we got dorms, pretty nice ones too. Go check your facts again and think before you open your mouth and insult my maintainers that bust their asses to make it possible for us to fly their jets every day.....FLUSH...Oh what's that sound? It's your credibility going down the toilet...

akruse
08-22-2009, 03:30 PM
.....FLUSH...Oh what's that sound? It's your credibility going down the toilet...

You give him way too much credit to begin with.

BigBaze
08-23-2009, 04:20 AM
You give him way too much credit to begin with.


Yeah I guess there wasn't any credibility to begin with:)

KC-10 FE
06-23-2013, 01:08 AM
Managed to dig up this thread. Some good info in it. Can't say I agree with the MC rates when compared to the C5. When that statement was made I was still a GAC instructor at Travis and know for a fact that the 10 MC rate was well above that of the 5. Did hear from a friend of mine who is an FE on 10's at Travis already that they are indeed looking forward to getting my knowledge on the jet as it is definitely not acting as "new" as it was before I retrained in 2010.

There was plenty of times as a maintainer that all of us on the flightline would laugh our butts off whenever a 5 had to do a u-turn back to its side of the ramp after trying to taxi to the active unsuccessfully.

How are the jets today?

AfricanSnowOwl
06-23-2013, 01:31 AM
The 10s are all falling apart. They are abused and unmaintained in the desert. Any time you go to fly, there's a pretty good chance you'll maintenance delay or cancel.

I've been a 10 FE for about 4-5 years.

KC-10 FE
06-23-2013, 02:09 AM
The 10s are all falling apart. They are abused and unmaintained in the desert. Any time you go to fly, there's a pretty good chance you'll maintenance delay or cancel.

I've been a 10 FE for about 4-5 years.

Any specific systems that mx is having a hard time with? When I was a maintainer, "pneumatic abnormals" were a constant plague until finally electrics came up with a better fix. At Travis at least.

AfricanSnowOwl
06-23-2013, 03:26 PM
Nothing specific I'd say. Pretty much everything is old enough now to have problems

KC-10 FE
06-23-2013, 04:43 PM
Nothing specific I'd say. Pretty much everything is old enough now to have problems

I remember the group of mainatainers that were at Travis when I was there were some of the best I have ever seen to this day. Problem is they have all pretty much for the most part have left. I currently fly on an older plane that is doing a mission that it wasnt originally designed for, and taking off and landing heavier than originally designed for as well.

Hopefully that will make the 10 still feel "new" to me at least.

KC-10 FE
07-01-2013, 11:42 PM
Anybody care to add to the discussion? :bump

KC-10 FE
07-02-2013, 12:35 AM
The most challenging part of KC-10 school is not killing yourself during IQT do to the extreme amount of boringness. The first 2 months are just power points and lectures. The sims are kinda cool, but it doesn't really get fun until you start FTU.

I imagine there are tests in there too of course right?

UH1FE
07-02-2013, 02:28 AM
Yo BigBaze, whats going on, Im new to the fourms but Ive been reading about your success thru out the whole retraining process, not tryin to jack the guys thread but do you know anything about BOP in conjunction with retraining? I just got my flight physical done last week and Im waiting for the results to get back, thing is in 2 weeks Ill be deployin so I wont be able to submit my package until ive already left, and I was told that if I wanted to apply for both that I needed to submit my BOP app with my retraining package? if you have any input Id appreciate it, Im tryin to get out of Oklahoma, and AWACS is not what I want

G

Do your homework and see what air frame is at the base you want to go to. Put in a BOP to that base then when you put in your dream sheet for air frames put that one #1. I did this and got the aircraft and base I wanted.