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imported_nomad
07-16-2009, 05:39 AM
People are always talking about how it was back in the day. I came in Dec 1990, and yes things were very different then. So how about it, what did you like or dislike from back in the day? How was it for you?

I remember...

thinking an E-4 buck was a god
Drinking a beer at lunch
Real BIVOUAC's
doing what you were told or the shit hit the fan even from an A1C when I was an Amn
making $647 per month in base pay with 2 kids
alot more bases
so many people in the shop that we were stepping on eachother and fighting for jobs

technomage1
07-16-2009, 06:19 AM
so many people in the shop that we were stepping on eachother and fighting for jobs

Must have been nice!

mIRC_Ranger
07-16-2009, 07:13 AM
I miss just waiving ppl in at the gate...mind you I was an A1C then, so if we did that now days..it wouldnt be me doing it anyways.

Shaken1976
07-16-2009, 12:10 PM
I miss being waved through the gate.

When the club was a club.

I never got to drink a beer with lunch. But we did have a ton of people in the shop.

Anyone remember 90 day deployments??

BRUWIN
07-16-2009, 01:06 PM
I miss those Sunday afternoons going to visit my buddies in Correctional Custody. I also miss mowing grass in those funky steel toes, apron, face shield, and gloves. It always looked like we were going jousting. CQ was fun too. I can remember a guy pulling fire alarm in the dorm to see if his girlfriend appeared from out of another room.

4Runner
07-16-2009, 01:22 PM
The Pre-McPeak Air Force of the 1980's. We were once a Military force with real accountability. People were responsible for their own actions; NCO's were leaders not social workers.
We became a weaker, less capable force when we transitioned from the military to the business structure we have today.

ConfusedAirman
07-16-2009, 02:27 PM
The Air Force was not trying to be the Army.
Drinking age was 18.
You could smoke at your desk.
Fatigues.
Short-sleeved fatigues.
Chukka boots.
1505 khaki uniforms.
Dark blue long-sleeve dress shirt.
Clark AB (and all the other great locations now closed.)
WAFs.
Support personnel in Pay and CBPO vs. self-service, online piece of crap websites.

Will probably think up some more later.

BRUWIN
07-16-2009, 02:34 PM
CC Calls showing "Ar Force Now" films.

ART
07-16-2009, 02:44 PM
Ancillary training took an hour a year.
Flyovers after generations that were performed at 200 ft AGL and 600 kts (FB-111)
Squadron picnics held off base with beer trucks supplying the refreshments
Doing a brake job on my car, in the hangar while on weekend stand by....with help from the branch chief.
Snap-On calendars in the tool room
Playboys in the shitter
A finance office that could process and pay a voucher in 10 minutes
CBPO
O-6's ran EVERYTHING that Chiefs didn't
Waiting 6 weeks to see if you passed your CDC

and of course, having a beer with lunch.

ason42
07-16-2009, 02:52 PM
I'm with Art, warriors were warriors. Now we are nothing more than doormen for El Presidente. A bunch of costumed govt. workers showcasing how great govt. intrustion on everyone's lives can be. Yeah for us and those who've reached their twenty. You youngens, all believers of PC, Global warming and crap. Hope you have a military left to serve.

FLAPS
07-16-2009, 10:42 PM
I remember back in '88 when supervisors bragged about their good 'ole days (early 80's and prior). It's funny how folks are always complaining how much today sucks vs yesterday. 20 years from now people will brag about the "good 'ole days" way back in 2009.

BRUWIN
07-16-2009, 11:09 PM
I remember back in '88 when supervisors bragged about their good 'ole days (early 80's and prior). It's funny how folks are always complaining how much today sucks vs yesterday. 20 years from now people will brag about the "good 'ole days" way back in 2009.

Yeah...they'll be bragging about how great the ABU was and wonder who the idiot was that got rid of the green leather boot. Maybe then the F-22 will be considered cheap enough to have a CAS role shooting guys riding donkeys.

ScarlettGTO
07-16-2009, 11:16 PM
Many people in my family are prior military. I have heard of these "good ol days" but didn't get the chance to partake in those times. From what I hear I would really enjoy bringing back the respect amongst ranks. Amn listening to A1C's, A1C's listening to SrA and all below a SSgt not arguing or debating when told to do something. I am a new SSgt and remember when I was an Amn. When someone with rank told me to do something it was quick fast and in a hurry with NO arguments. Some of the old MUST be brought back. Thank you guys for paving the way, I wish many things were still the same.

AF Chief
07-16-2009, 11:41 PM
1) People adhearing to standards without having to be told do to so
2) When telling people to do something they didn't ask: Why: How Come?
3) Beers at lunch and after work
4) Clark Air Base
5) Sending people that needed a tune up to Correctional Custody
6) Buck Sgts
7) Not having to wear blues on Monday :lol:

Test Match
07-17-2009, 01:54 AM
Sprouts.....does that word even exist anymore?

fufu
07-17-2009, 02:10 AM
Anyone remember 90 day deployments??

There are still active duty enlisted doing 60 day deployments............believe it or not.

I miss:
1. Going TDY, not deploying, but going to Vegas for two weeks.
2. Deploying without ghey ass PT Gear
3. Drinking on deployments
4. Being able to do my job without the bullshit about PT, Airmans Creed, etc
5. Cutbacks b/c we actually had people

What I don't:
1. BDUs, it was more comfortable, but no ironing
2. Polishing my boots

imported_nomad
07-17-2009, 08:20 AM
Ancillary training took an hour a year.
Flyovers after generations that were performed at 200 ft AGL and 600 kts (FB-111)
Squadron picnics held off base with beer trucks supplying the refreshments
Doing a brake job on my car, in the hangar while on weekend stand by....with help from the branch chief.
Snap-On calendars in the tool room
Playboys in the shitter
A finance office that could process and pay a voucher in 10 minutes
CBPO
O-6's ran EVERYTHING that Chiefs didn't
Waiting 6 weeks to see if you passed your CDC

and of course, having a beer with lunch.

My dad was a Snap-dealer...I used to supply the shop calanders. As for CBPO, I still call it that

BISSBOSS
07-17-2009, 09:48 AM
I miss:

70250s (Admin Specialists)
System Mock-ups for training in the shop
AFRs
A clear cut Chain-of-Command
Alcohol provided and consumed responsibly at Squadron Functions
An 850,000 strong end strength

-BB-

BadHairCut
07-17-2009, 10:41 AM
- Unit Career Advisors
- Money for Training
- Remotes in Europe
- Class 6
- Stars and Stripes Bookstores
- REAL annual medical checkups with a doc
- Base clubs worth going to
- Getting something signed without a F---ing eSSS.
- Hooches in the dorms

Don’t Miss:

- Typewriters
- Comm Centers
- Bike test
- Analog phones
- Ironing utilities
- 75% TA
- Sq CC permission to take classes
- Having to hand-write Pubs changes

dan5522
07-17-2009, 01:59 PM
We were actually talking about this today. Remember when you didnt have an e-mail account? You actually had to pick up the phone and talk to someone. They werent deployments they were TDY's, "the lic" was $105.00ish a day per diem!!!!! woohoo. wow lots of memories coming up now.

imported_SRZ
07-17-2009, 06:18 PM
Man,...we talk about this all the time. For me and being a true Services guy aka "Food Dawg" I'm sure a lot of you guys can't relate as I rarely see/read comments from SVS folks "cough" FSS. :(

1) Washing cars out on the back dock during the meal and the Amn worked w/ no breaks the ENTIRE SHIFT!-- MASS or Bulk cooking vs progressive, soaking hamburger patties in beef base and water before throwing it out on the flat grill as you walked in:) Running out of everything and putting chicken patties out on the line covered w/ a slice of cheese sprinkled w/ parsely and calling it Chicken Parmesean. LOL Raiding the storeroom for your own personal use and fudging your 3% daily.
2) Having a beer on the job
3) Smoking a square in the kitchen while preppin the meal. LOL Safety/Sanitation? We got your safety. Ha-ha No one got sick in those days compared to now w/ tighter standards. Go figure.
4) Jackin up a meal and walking Amn Snuffy to Finance to dock his pay for ruining swiss steak. :)
5) Taking a 1/2 day so we could go to the local College to check out the chicks on enrollment day and call it "recruiting"
6) Bussing in the local women onto base to go to the CLUB! And everyone was in on it from the Wing King on down
7) When you never saw a MSgt or above and if you did, you were either in trouble or about to be.
8) YES BUCK's WERE GODS---the downfall of the AF from that point on along w/ VSSI, Corporate Prism & Quality AirForce iniatives before QoL even existed.
9) Bare base TDY where you ate MRE's for 45 days plus and fought over the only flavor of ice cream (Vanilla) until we could get Chocolate! LOL
10) Go to Istris France w/ 150 day per diem and clock 10-15gs in 3 mos time or better yet your TDY was on a cruise liner.
11) Wall to wall counciling......nuff said

I could go on as that isn't even the tip of the iceberg but ah yes the good ol' days.

Shaken1976
07-17-2009, 06:40 PM
The Air Force was not trying to be the Army.
Drinking age was 18.
You could smoke at your desk.
Fatigues.
Short-sleeved fatigues.
Chukka boots.
1505 khaki uniforms.
Dark blue long-sleeve dress shirt.
Clark AB (and all the other great locations now closed.)
WAFs.
Support personnel in Pay and CBPO vs. self-service, online piece of crap websites.

Will probably think up some more later.


How much of that do YOU remember? How much did you experience?

Shaken1976
07-17-2009, 06:43 PM
1) People adhearing to standards without having to be told do to so
2) When telling people to do something they didn't ask: Why: How Come?
3) Beers at lunch and after work
4) Clark Air Base
5) Sending people that needed a tune up to Correctional Custody
6) Buck Sgts
7) Not having to wear blues on Monday :lol:

I wonder how long # 7 is going to last. It seems to go in spurts.

imported_Seasons
07-17-2009, 06:44 PM
My dad was a Snap-dealer...I used to supply the shop calanders. As for CBPO, I still call it that

I actually just purchased a massive set for my shop.

fufu
07-17-2009, 09:15 PM
I miss orderly rooms too.

Nodhmo
07-18-2009, 05:22 PM
Having a beer at the club while playing spades or hearts over lunch.

Having Commanders showing up at intramural sports with a case or a pony keg almost every week

An EPR system that did not have to have no white space, had multi line bullets that you actually knew what the person did to help his office and Air Force.

Being able to win a quarterly award without having work/collage/ and community service.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-31-2013, 11:51 AM
Having a beer at the club while playing spades or hearts over lunch.

Having Commanders showing up at intramural sports with a case or a pony keg almost every week

An EPR system that did not have to have no white space, had multi line bullets that you actually knew what the person did to help his office and Air Force.

Being able to win a quarterly award without having work/collage/ and community service.

I'm not so sure I agree with this because I've seen some beautiful collages in my day.

Once I made a collage to hang in the foyer of our squadron. I made it by sticking a bunch of photos of the squadron members on a fabric backing and arranging it in a pattern that spelled out our squadron's numerical designator.

It turned out beautifully and although I was praised, I didn't receive a quarterly award for it.

I'd have to say that collages are a creative art form that almost anyone can do.

Why don't you like collages?

Oh, I'm with you on drinking beer and playing cards during duty hours.

Nothing beats drinking cheap domestic beer and playing a two hour card game at lunch.

BENDER56
08-31-2013, 08:19 PM
Nothing beats drinking cheap domestic beer and playing a two hour card game at lunch.

Sorry, everything beats drinking cheap domestic beer. A poke in the eye with a sharp stick beats drinking cheap domestic beer. Cheap domestic beer is evil, unpalatable swill.

Absinthe Anecdote
08-31-2013, 11:15 PM
Sorry, everything beats drinking cheap domestic beer. A poke in the eye with a sharp stick beats drinking cheap domestic beer. Cheap domestic beer is evil, unpalatable swill.

I was just being sarcastic but it was a wasted effort because that was another four year old thread.

sandsjames
08-31-2013, 11:20 PM
Sorry, everything beats drinking cheap domestic beer. A poke in the eye with a sharp stick beats drinking cheap domestic beer. Cheap domestic beer is evil, unpalatable swill.

Ahhh...you're one of those.

USMC0341
08-31-2013, 11:49 PM
I think of the things depend on the higher ups; I remember a time when my company commander brought my guys (asked me what to get them) a case of beer out in the field after a long ass hump and MOUT ops. Now this was pre war and it was different then, but he was the type of guy that did that shit, and as a result of little things like that (among other things) my guys would do anything for that guy.

I think it mostly was nice when there was a time when you had "that guy" that cares about the mission and his people, not his F-ing resume...

Also, it was nice when in garrison and I had the leeway to cut my guys loose when their shit was done, versus playing fuck-fuck games just because the XO wasn't done filling out his training schedule.

Post war garrison life is going to be culture shock to many in the combat arms, but hopefully there are enough of those good leaders left that it doesn't get too out of hand.


Damn that was long...

Chief_KO
09-01-2013, 01:20 AM
Back in the 80's I was in SAC. Our AFSC (remote radar sites/far from AF base) had a 100% twice a year urinalysis. Our support base was Luke, which was about 250 miles away (3-day TDY to go to the dentist which was sweet). Anyway, the med folks came up for our semi-annual Operation GOLDEN FLOW. We had one guy that just couldn't go, despite drinking water & coffee. Across the street from our site was a bar so they sent him over to have a beer (unfortunately he was an alcoholic, so one beer = six beers). Anyway, about 30 minutes later he returned...ready to donate.