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imported_Joker76
06-14-2009, 11:37 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm only kidding...i dont recommend anyone do this...unless its true..and you might die..then I highly recommend you go to your PCM..lol

Below is the first 2 questions on the mandator PT questionaire

FITNESS SCREENING QUESTIONNAIRE
1. Do you have a health condition not addressed in a Physical Profile (AF Form 422) that participating in
the PT program/testing could aggravate or that would preclude your safety?
GYes Stop here; notify your Unit Fitness Program Manager (FPM) and contact PCM.
GNo Proceed to next question.
2. Do you have any of the following?
- Chest discomfort with exertion
- Unusual shortness of breath
- Dizziness, fainting, blackouts
GYes Stop here; notify your UFPM and contact your Primary Care Manager (PCM)


NOW..if your fat bag'o donuts...or just can't run worth a darn....its a get out of a jail free card right?

Question 1, answer Yes...go to PCM..tell them "i'm not on a waiver but I'm in such horrible shape I might die of a heart attack if I run" Fair enough right...

Question 2...answer yes...if your fat and/or dont run or both...yes..it is UNUSUAL for you to have shortness of breath..beacuse normally you just sit on your fat behind...so...Run to the PT test..you'll be short of breath..it will be unusual for you...bam..check yes..

NO TEST FOR YOU!!!!

Seriously...its medical/safety...what can anyone do to you?

imported_pheenix
06-14-2009, 11:46 PM
Seriously...its medical/safety...what can anyone do to you?

Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, what they can probably do to you is after a "reasonable" amount of time to correct your problem, if you're still unable to test, you're not able to meet air force standards and here is your civilian below the zone.

imported_Joker76
06-14-2009, 11:53 PM
Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, what they can probably do to you is after a "reasonable" amount of time to correct your problem, if you're still unable to test, you're not able to meet air force standards and here is your civilian below the zone.

That MIGHT be true IF...you didnt change supervisors/comanders/1st shirts every year or so....then you PCS...start the cycle over again

CrustySMSgt
06-14-2009, 11:57 PM
do you REALLY need to start 10 new threads on topics that have already been beaten to death? :rolleyes:

Hate to inject reason into your theory... but if you are not current, you do not meet standards, and will still get a referal EPR. So your plan ain't worth shit.

AF Chief
06-15-2009, 12:41 AM
Tell him how you really feel Chief! :lol:

imported_Joker76
06-15-2009, 04:33 AM
do you REALLY need to start 10 new threads on topics that have already been beaten to death? :rolleyes:

Hate to inject reason into your theory... but if you are not current, you do not meet standards, and will still get a referal EPR. So your plan ain't worth shit.

Perhaps labido isnt the only thing that goes with age....maybe...just maybe attention to details gets harder and harder to perform too...lol

Read my top line Crusty, oh wait..i doubt you can figure out how to scroll down to it...i'll paste it below (old person joke)

DISCLAIMER: I'm only kidding...i dont recommend anyone do this...unless its true..and you might die..then I highly recommend you go to your PCM..lol

CrustySMSgt
06-15-2009, 04:47 AM
Perhaps labido isnt the only thing that goes with age....maybe...just maybe attention to details gets harder and harder to perform too...lol

Read my top line Crusty, oh wait..i doubt you can figure out how to scroll down to it...i'll paste it below (old person joke)

DISCLAIMER: I'm only kidding...i dont recommend anyone do this...unless its true..and you might die..then I highly recommend you go to your PCM..lol

Sad thing is, someone out there will have a lightbulb moment and think this is their out... lol
Just doing my part to smash that lightbulb into itty-bitty pieces :D

imported_Joker76
06-15-2009, 04:57 AM
Sad thing is, someone out there will have a lightbulb moment and think this is their out... lol
Just doing my part to smash that lightbulb into itty-bitty pieces :D

OMG go to bed...Matlock went off like 2 hours ago..WHY ARE YOU STILL AWAKE?!?!?!?!

technomage1
06-15-2009, 07:58 AM
The point of the questionare is to ensure that you aren't showing any danger indicators before you test. If you do, you go to the doc, get checked out, and they determine if you test or not. At most, you'd gain a week or two before you had to test (presuming you are cleared by the doc).

At a minimum, they can measure/weigh anyone, so they could make your entire test score based on that if you weren't physically able to do anything else. I can't imagine wanting that, especially if you are worried about passing in the first place.

In the end, I think you'd wind up wasting the doc's time and possibly shooting yourself in the foot if you did this.

BRUWIN
06-15-2009, 11:35 AM
Sad thing is, someone out there will have a lightbulb moment and think this is their out... lol
Just doing my part to smash that lightbulb into itty-bitty pieces :D


Damn....just when I got all done filling my questionare out too.

VFFSSGT
06-15-2009, 11:49 AM
do you REALLY need to start 10 new threads on topics that have already been beaten to death? :rolleyes:

Hate to inject reason into your theory... but if you are not current, you do not meet standards, and will still get a referal EPR. So your plan ain't worth shit.

The referrals are not always handed out when they should be... And if you have a profile, you are 'EXEMPT' and "Meet Standard" block will be checked on that EPR...

CrustySMSgt
06-15-2009, 11:55 AM
The referrals are not always handed out when they should be... And if you have a profile, you are 'EXEMPT' and "Meet Standard" block will be checked on that EPR...

Not just no, but HELL no!

First, it is either exempt or meets, not both.

Second, the only true exemptions are abdominal surgery or pregnancy. Beyond that, you still tape.

CC Can give a 59 day extension on EPR closeout... after that, it is not an option; it is what it is.

VFFSSGT
06-15-2009, 12:39 PM
Maybe in your world, but not in the entire AF. Even the ACC Command Chief even realizes this and speaks of it (on the referrals not happening and already well known pencil whipping of it all)...

I did slightly misspeak...My intentions were meant to say you are exempt from the portions the profile covers and you will still get the Meet block checked... So, you cannot meet standards courtesy of the profile and still clear the EPR...

CrustySMSgt
06-15-2009, 01:08 PM
Maybe in your world, but not in the entire AF. Even the ACC Command Chief even realizes this and speaks of it (on the referrals not happening and already well known pencil whipping of it all)...



Centralized testing will quickly do away with that.

VFFSSGT
06-15-2009, 02:16 PM
Maybe...we can hope anyways... Is there going to be a checks and balances to verify the right block is checked on the EPR? Even still, is it going to be a referral EPR and not a 5? From my understanding, there are also people submitting "referral" EPR's as 5's... We will see I guess; if nothing else it will curb some of the problem. Who is going to keep the medical or HAWC people in check though? They are testing everyone, which means themselves too... They are just as easily capable of pencil whipping as everyone else.

I really do not think we solve problems by shifting the work load; the people pencil whipping should have some punishment handed to them hard so people know it's no joke but people continually get away with such activity. This seems to be the answer in today's Air Fore to all problems; shift the work and responsibility to someone else while in the meantime the slacking party continues to recieve '5' EPR's. And we wonder why there is such a problem with people just following the rules...

alaskaresident
08-11-2009, 09:36 PM
Why do they make you fill those questionairs out a month before your actual test. You may get sick a few days before your test and you are still suppose to test because you said you were healthy a month ago. Atleast this is how it works at my base. This happened to me and I was forced to run with a major broncial infection and purposely failed to as not to kill myself when I passed out from lack of oxygen. I passed with flying colors after going on the fat boy program for 3 months.

imported_Yggdrasil
08-12-2009, 08:55 PM
So they have a BS questionaire in the AF as well?

For the most part, everyone I know answers "no" to all of the questions anyway... even if it's a lie. Afterall, for the "yes" answers, you're going to go through more BS just to end up having to run the PRT anyway.

jshawell
08-18-2009, 07:47 AM
LOL you all are funny! I wouldn't try it. You have all year to prepare for your pt test... really no excuse.

RetiredSNCO
12-12-2010, 01:06 AM
Since I am a FAC lead, once the score is entered, I can tell you it does not get removed even if you go to the DOCTOR after the the test.
Now, in my pre-brief, I reinforce that if anyone is not feeling 100%, do not test. the last thing we want is someone getting hurt, having to call 911, or failing. I give some silly examples like if this young man was passing kidney stones all night, should he test today?
If she woke up and could not lift her arm 2 inches from her body, should she be testing today? The number of YES did double my first month here, but we have not had any requests like I was sick, but UFPM told me I had to test today.

ROAD
01-23-2013, 09:32 PM
genius...............................

usafvol1
01-28-2013, 01:38 PM
It would buy you more than a week or two, depending on your location. Here's why--you self report shortness of breath, medical concerns, etc., and the UFPM tells you to see your PCM. Chances are, you're going to wait a few days, if not a couple of weeks to secure an appointment with your PCM. Once you report shortness of breath/ches pains, etc., he or she will then refer you pulmonology and/or cardiology to work you up for asthma/heart disease, etc. You'll be referred, meaning you'll have to wait at least 2 weeks (on a good day) to see the specialist. Then, said specialist will want to do pulmonary function tests, stress tests, etc., on you, all of which will have to be scheduled at a later date. THEN it will take several days to interpret those results. THEN, you will follow up with said specialists go over results, THEN follow back up with PCM who is to officially tell you whether you can fit test. If you're stationed at a base with a large MTF, the process might be speeded up just a tad. I'd guess at a minimum, you can buy yourself a month of time. Integrity first.

CrustySMSgt
01-28-2013, 02:00 PM
It would buy you more than a week or two, depending on your location. Here's why--you self report shortness of breath, medical concerns, etc., and the UFPM tells you to see your PCM. Chances are, you're going to wait a few days, if not a couple of weeks to secure an appointment with your PCM. Once you report shortness of breath/ches pains, etc., he or she will then refer you pulmonology and/or cardiology to work you up for asthma/heart disease, etc. You'll be referred, meaning you'll have to wait at least 2 weeks (on a good day) to see the specialist. Then, said specialist will want to do pulmonary function tests, stress tests, etc., on you, all of which will have to be scheduled at a later date. THEN it will take several days to interpret those results. THEN, you will follow up with said specialists go over results, THEN follow back up with PCM who is to officially tell you whether you can fit test. If you're stationed at a base with a large MTF, the process might be speeded up just a tad. I'd guess at a minimum, you can buy yourself a month of time. Integrity first.

Great plan, but if you go overdue in the meantime, it'll still get you a referral EPR/OPR, unless you get an extension from the CC>

CrustySMSgt
03-17-2013, 09:13 AM
Great plan, but if you go overdue in the meantime, it'll still get you a referral EPR/OPR, unless you get an extension from the CC>




wow, people like you is why airman are killing over on the track, afraid to go to the doctor.


AirmEn are keeling over on the track because I am stating fact? :confused:

jpeters
04-17-2013, 03:47 PM
AirmEn are keeling over on the track because I am stating fact? :confused:

Airmen are killing over on the track because they would rather drink Monster Energy drinks or Red Bull instead of water or Gatorade. They would rather eat crap food and not take care of themselves for 5 months and try to get ready for a PT test a few weeks before they are scheduled to test by starving themselves or trying to sweat inches off their waste a day or two before they go in to get taped. I am a UFPM and see this crap month after month, so most of the time the Airmen are the problem.

sandsjames
04-17-2013, 03:53 PM
Airmen are killing over on the track because they would rather drink Monster Energy drinks or Red Bull instead of water or Gatorade. They would rather eat crap food and not take care of themselves for 5 months and try to get ready for a PT test a few weeks before they are scheduled to test by starving themselves or trying to sweat inches off their waste a day or two before they go in to get taped. I am a UFPM and see this crap month after month, so most of the time the Airmen are the problem.

Airmen are also keeling over because of PTLs like you who can't run a consistent program. Run one day, some bullshit trend of the week workout the next day, burpies, etc that have no impact on a test and aren't done constitently enough to actual help anyone improve. Every squadron program I've ever been involved in does nothing but keep me sore everyday because on, say, Monday we'll do a circuit. Great workout. The problem is that we won't do it again for another 3 weeks because now we have to try some sprint/walk/sprint/pushup workout which, by itself, is great, but we don't do it for another 2 months because the next time we're doing some bullshit squat/lunge/bear crawl/burpie day which, by itself, is great, but we don't do it for another....you get my point.

jpeters
04-17-2013, 04:02 PM
Airmen are also keeling over because of PTLs like you who can't run a consistent program. Run one day, some bullshit trend of the week workout the next day, burpies, etc that have no impact on a test and aren't done constitently enough to actual help anyone improve. Every squadron program I've ever been involved in does nothing but keep me sore everyday because on, say, Monday we'll do a circuit. Great workout. The problem is that we won't do it again for another 3 weeks because now we have to try some sprint/walk/sprint/pushup workout which, by itself, is great, but we don't do it for another 2 months because the next time we're doing some bullshit squat/lunge/bear crawl/burpie day which, by itself, is great, but we don't do it for another....you get my point.

Totally get your point...but it also depends on your leadership. Example, previous base our Chief didn't like to run, so on days that we had anything to do with running he over-ruled the morning of PT and we did some of the useless stuff you mentioned above. But why should your squadron program be the only time you do PT? If you don't get what your looking for in the squadron program that helps you on your test do something extra on your own...or become a UFPM and change it.

sandsjames
04-17-2013, 04:05 PM
Totally get your point...but it also depends on your leadership. Example, previous base our Chief didn't like to run, so on days that we had anything to do with running he over-ruled the morning of PT and we did some of the useless stuff you mentioned above. But why should your squadron program be the only time you do PT? If you don't get what your looking for in the squadron program that helps you on your test do something extra on your own...or become a UFPM and change it.

If the mornign PT program isn't working and everyone KNOWS it isn't working, why are we doing it at all? Let me do my own thing and work on the things I need to work on. As far as becoming a UFPM and changing it, you gave the reason why that doesn't work. Because the Chief, or whoever, is likely to change it.

jpeters
04-17-2013, 04:31 PM
If the mornign PT program isn't working and everyone KNOWS it isn't working, why are we doing it at all? Let me do my own thing and work on the things I need to work on. As far as becoming a UFPM and changing it, you gave the reason why that doesn't work. Because the Chief, or whoever, is likely to change it.

I like the way you think! But it’s not always the PTL’s and UFPM’s fault if the programs are all jacked up or jump from random trend to random trend most of the time it's leadership pushing that stuff down. I also like and try to push for the just go do your own thing approach when I can, because when it comes down to it it’s on you if you pass or fail your test. But when people fail or something bad happens, like kill over at the track, it has to be someone else’s fault.

JD2780
04-17-2013, 06:13 PM
Airmen are killing over on the track because they would rather drink Monster Energy drinks or Red Bull instead of water or Gatorade. They would rather eat crap food and not take care of themselves for 5 months and try to get ready for a PT test a few weeks before they are scheduled to test by starving themselves or trying to sweat inches off their waste a day or two before they go in to get taped. I am a UFPM and see this crap month after month, so most of the time the Airmen are the problem.

Bam!!!! What he said!!

For the folks complaining about PTLs. I'm open for hire. Never was a PTL, our sq had them because we needed to. We exercised because it was our job. We know how to do it, we know how to do it without hurting folks. Our support folks would be out their with us. No we didnt expect them to knock out as many pull-ups, sit-ups or push-ups as us. We didnt expect them to run a 12 minute 2 mile. We did expect effort, we did expect professionalism. Nobody really complained. Except for us TACPs, but we complain about everything so it doesn't really matter.

KC-10 FE
07-02-2013, 12:33 AM
As long as individuals get on a waiver then they are set. Those who just know that they are going to fail because they haven't been working out have no choice but to take one before their EPR close out date suspense. If they haven't passed their test by then without an approved extension then they will get a referral EPR and potentially not be able to re-enlist, lose a line number, etc. Depends on individual leadership.

CrustySMSgt
07-02-2013, 07:19 AM
As long as individuals get on a waiver then they are set. Those who just know that they are going to fail because they haven't been working out have no choice but to take one before their EPR close out date suspense. If they haven't passed their test by then without an approved extension then they will get a referral EPR and potentially not be able to re-enlist, lose a line number, etc. Depends on individual leadership.

Only works on a total waiver which is only an option of deployed, pregnant, or abdominal surgery. Other than that, unless you're skinny & out of shape, a waiver to the physical portions of the eval make the A/C carry more weight (literally!) and now you need to have a 37.5 or under waist or fail (instead of the full 39).

BMHenson
08-21-2013, 02:20 PM
I wonder how the American Medical Association classifying obesity as a disease will effect the AC and profiles?

Rusty Jones
08-21-2013, 02:39 PM
If I knew I was going to fail, I'd opt out if I had that choice.

What I don't like about that questionnaire is that, regardless of how you answer it, you're still going to take the test anyway. So many people who do have risk factors will mark that they don't on the assessment, just to save themselves any trouble and heartache.

Because there are no promotion points for exceeding the minimum score, I have a habit of doing the minimum number of pushups and situps, and then immediately stopping - so I can save the energy for the run. And the only reason I get decent scores on the run, is because I make an effort to get it done and over with as quickly as possible. Score be damned.

imported_StandardsAMust
09-05-2013, 09:34 AM
If I knew I was going to fail, I'd opt out if I had that choice.

What I don't like about that questionnaire is that, regardless of how you answer it, you're still going to take the test anyway. So many people who do have risk factors will mark that they don't on the assessment, just to save themselves any trouble and heartache.

Because there are no promotion points for exceeding the minimum score, I have a habit of doing the minimum number of pushups and situps, and then immediately stopping - so I can save the energy for the run. And the only reason I get decent scores on the run, is because I make an effort to get it done and over with as quickly as possible. Score be damned.

Since you have to take this test, people are still opting out if they know they are going to fail a certain component. If you know you are going to fail the run because you don't like to run, all you have to do is go see your doctor and get on a profile, then, voila, you don't have to run. Same for p/u and s/u. This is the way people are opting out of the test.

The only thing you can't opt out of is the waist measurement and that is why there is so much drama with this component. Skinny people will never fail this test when opting out of the other components while bigger people will struggle by having to take at least one other component, usually just p/u or s/u to help pass the test along with a FAC person pulling the tape tight.