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AFWIFE
11-09-2008, 01:11 PM
I am new on here so I'm trying to figure out how this all works. My husband was just approved to cross train into FE. I was wondering if ANYONE has any information on how the transition works when you are stationed overseas? I heard that if you are already in the states they will just leave you at the base you are stationed at then send you off to school, but no one seems to know the answer as to what they will do if your overseas? PCS you to the states first then off to school? He already has a class date for Sept. 09 at Lacklin, but that's all we know so far. AFPC is not much of a help. Has anyone been approved to cross train while you were overseas? Any info would help. Thanks!

BigBaze
11-09-2008, 03:02 PM
I am new on here so I'm trying to figure out how this all works. My husband was just approved to cross train into FE. I was wondering if ANYONE has any information on how the transition works when you are stationed overseas? I heard that if you are already in the states they will just leave you at the base you are stationed at then send you off to school, but no one seems to know the answer as to what they will do if your overseas? PCS you to the states first then off to school? He already has a class date for Sept. 09 at Lacklin, but that's all we know so far. AFPC is not much of a help. Has anyone been approved to cross train while you were overseas? Any info would help. Thanks!


Welcome to the thread. I went through BFE with a couple of overseas guys and they already knew what base and airframe they were going to before they went to BFE. In their case they were PCSed to the base they were to be assigned, and then went through BFE etc. I am in KC10 flight school now with a guy who came from Yokota, and he did the same. If AFPC is not giving you any answers have your husband contact the FE functional manager, he should have got an email from him with his class dates.

T_J_max
11-09-2008, 04:11 PM
Hello all, my question does not have to do with FE, but you guys seem to be very knowledgeable in the retraining process so here goes. I applied under CAREERS retraining for first-termers. On 5 Nov my status in vMPF changed to Awaiting Class Seat (5) for 1C6, Space Sys Ops. However, my DOS is 18 Nov, which is only 1 week from now! I realize that most people would wait until the get the class date allocated (6) before they would extend or reenlist. If the week goes by without them providing me a class date, I will have to reenlist to stay in, and if I have to do that without a class date allocated, will I still be able to get a class date and retrain or will I lose my approval because I will no longer be a FTA? No one at my local retraining, reenlistments, or the Contact Center can give me a solid answer and all refer me to the other. Anyone know anything or who I can ask for a solid answer, or would contacting a Functional Manager to see if they could find a class seat ASAP work? Thanks.

AFWIFE
11-09-2008, 04:40 PM
Welcome to the thread. I went through BFE with a couple of overseas guys and they already knew what base and airframe they were going to before they went to BFE. In their case they were PCSed to the base they were to be assigned, and then went through BFE etc. I am in KC10 flight school now with a guy who came from Yokota, and he did the same. If AFPC is not giving you any answers have your husband contact the FE functional manager, he should have got an email from him with his class dates.

Thanks for the info. He has spoke to AFPC, but the only info that they gave him right now is one class date. His training manager said he would have to re-enlist before he gets any more info and new orders?. I guess it's the waiting game......

JackOFallTrades
11-09-2008, 05:20 PM
Hey anybody starting Fudamentals 20 Mar 09? Or water survival 10 Mar?

c5engineer
11-09-2008, 11:37 PM
I'm a 13 year C-5 FE instructor looking for some info from any guard and reserve guys concerning school slots. I'm in a reserve unit awaiting a C-130 school date. Since I don't need any of the other stuff, does anyone have any C-130 scoop? Where can I get school info? I read in some of the postings that you can go online from a CAC equipped PC and get the syllabus for MIQ etc. Any ideas would be appreciated. All of this was non-existent when I went through cross-training in 1990. Of course we didn't have to go through the "undergrad" course either and all of us went through parachute trainging up at Fairchild with water survival at Pensacola. Thanks for any info in advance and if you guys want any specific info from a long time engineer fire away. I love the job. That's why I'm coming back in:)

BigBaze
11-09-2008, 11:48 PM
Thanks for the info. He has spoke to AFPC, but the only info that they gave him right now is one class date. His training manager said he would have to re-enlist before he gets any more info and new orders?. I guess it's the waiting game......

Yep you gotta reenlist. They want 48 months retainability for the job, and as a FTA the max you can extend is 23 months,so you have to go ahead and reenlist!

Fenix1442
11-10-2008, 01:25 AM
I got water survival on 10th of March. My last class before I go back to Ellsworth and wait for my flying school to start on whatever airframe I get.

I start Fundies on 14 Nov and BFE 5 Dec. Sere is 13 Feb - 6 Mar for me.

earlheron
11-10-2008, 02:47 PM
I'm a 13 year C-5 FE instructor looking for some info from any guard and reserve guys concerning school slots. I'm in a reserve unit awaiting a C-130 school date. Since I don't need any of the other stuff, does anyone have any C-130 scoop? Where can I get school info? I read in some of the postings that you can go online from a CAC equipped PC and get the syllabus for MIQ etc. Any ideas would be appreciated. All of this was non-existent when I went through cross-training in 1990. Of course we didn't have to go through the "undergrad" course either and all of us went through parachute trainging up at Fairchild with water survival at Pensacola. Thanks for any info in advance and if you guys want any specific info from a long time engineer fire away. I love the job. That's why I'm coming back in:)

Hi c5engineer!

As you are a former C5 engineer, Hercules school at Little Rock should be smooth for you. Just new boldface and a new trash-hauling culture/lifestyle to learn and grow accustomed to. I'm sure you won't complain that 130 life is not as nice as C5 life--it will help you fit in. :) I wrote about my experience with going from fighter mechanic to 130 engineer (including my Little Rock training) that you can read more of here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=uX1cOcgdbLUC&pg=PA178&dq=c130+little+rock#PPA178,M1

Other details that maybe of use here:
http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/CFETP1A1X1.pdf

Have fun with your return!

AFWIFE
11-10-2008, 04:04 PM
All Aircrew assignments are based on training availablity PFT (Programmed flight Training) These quotas are constrained by the capability of numbers of aircraft, instructors etc. Look at all the classes ahead of you from Lackland. If the next training quota for the specific aircraft you are being assigned to is a few months out...what do I do with you. Let you sit in my training squadron taking up space or utilize you in something you already know. Usually it is not an extremely long time between them but we have many training units for many weapons systems. All of our class dates cannot and do not match up with every graduate from the entry schools. While it might not make sense to you now....it will. Aircrew assignments are driven by training availability for the weapon systems. Alos, the FY09 PFT seats are just now starting to drop and put into the system....orders will start flowing for those waiting. Hope this helps

I'm new to this. My husband was just approved to cross train into FE. I was wondering if anyone has been assigned to C5's or 130's, if so what are their schedules/rotations like? Has anyone been stationed at Dover? How was it? Thanks!

AFWIFE
11-10-2008, 04:08 PM
I am back at my old shop working the flightline, and I got my KC10 flight school date today! I have to PCS to McGuire by Aug 31 so I can't wait. I graduated BFE on June 10 so it was just a couple months later.

My husband was just approved to cross train into FE. Just trying to get as much info as I can before he goes off to school. I noticed you got KC10's. Do you know what your schedules/rotations will be like? Thanks!

BigBaze
11-10-2008, 11:18 PM
My husband was just approved to cross train into FE. Just trying to get as much info as I can before he goes off to school. I noticed you got KC10's. Do you know what your schedules/rotations will be like? Thanks!


I am in the qualification course and graduate April 9. I then have to build up 150 hours flying missions in the US to include several fighter drags and cargo missions. I then get sent to Al Dhafra, we do 2 month rotations over there and for a new eng you can expect to go 2-3 times a year from what I am told, due to our manning. We can only do 2 month rotations because we have quarterly simulator requirements, since the -10 is different from military specific aircraft like the C130, C5 etc. We are basically an airliner converted to a tanker so FlightSafety International carried the contract for the ground school and sim training. The flying schedule here is pretty steady, I guess everyone needs gas:)

c5engineer
11-11-2008, 04:16 AM
c-5s also have quarterly sims, but they're not a deployable asset. In and out however many times it takes. However, the number of days away from home can be quite significant. I used to spend as much as 270 days a year away with a substantial amount in the sandbox. Now with 130's, the reserves are obligated to pull standard AEF rotations plus the dedicated OIF, OEF. I'm expecting a six month rotation once I finish MIQ. C-5's require 350 hours for upgrade, but 130's only need 75. It is airframe dependent. Flight Safety also teaches the lecture/sim portion prior to actual flight training. I don't know of any airframe with military instructors other than for the flying portion. As for Dover, I spent half my airlift life there and I love the area and base. It's within a few hours of just about everything. It has a heavy workload for airlifters these days. Good luck. I love the 5, but I love the 130 mission. 10's are sweet, but I don't like the mission.

BigBaze
11-11-2008, 05:17 AM
c-5s also have quarterly sims, but they're not a deployable asset. In and out however many times it takes. However, the number of days away from home can be quite significant. I used to spend as much as 270 days a year away with a substantial amount in the sandbox. Now with 130's, the reserves are obligated to pull standard AEF rotations plus the dedicated OIF, OEF. I'm expecting a six month rotation once I finish MIQ. C-5's require 350 hours for upgrade, but 130's only need 75. It is airframe dependent. Flight Safety also teaches the lecture/sim portion prior to actual flight training. I don't know of any airframe with military instructors other than for the flying portion. As for Dover, I spent half my airlift life there and I love the area and base. It's within a few hours of just about everything. It has a heavy workload for airlifters these days. Good luck. I love the 5, but I love the 130 mission. 10's are sweet, but I don't like the mission.

Yeah the -10 is pretty fun, I love working the throttles on takeoff, but AR orbiting gets a little old:> My two roomates are actually ex C5 eng's from Dover and they still have houses there so I don't see them much when they are not flying. I graduated BFE back in June and one of the guys in my class is still waiting for his C5 schoolhouse, I feel bad for him, especially because he was a KC10 flying crew chief for 6 years at Travis, but then got C5's at Travis:) We actually have Memphis Guard C5's up here until the end of the year TDY. That is a big old bird

c5engineer
11-11-2008, 03:00 PM
I almost took a 10 job at McGuire just before 9/11. I interviewed with the chief engineer and he said come on up and a couple of days later I did. In the early morning hours of 9/12 I was flying medical teams to McGuire for possible use at ground zero. After that we were activated and flying in the gulf. The 10 is a nice bird unless your air refueling behind it, then it sucks. Nothing like the tail engine blowing across your T-tail making you do the wave. Air refueling is one thing I'll miss. We once did a quadruple air refuel from Travis to Mogadishu, one of the only times it's been done. I'm looking forward to controlling the throttles in the 130. We never did that in the 5 because we were too far back.

c5engineer
11-11-2008, 03:06 PM
Thanks for the info Earl. I'm looking forward to the Tac missions. A lot of our guys have seen serious action in Afghanistan and love the air drops. I hate wearing a helmet though, but I'll get used to it. I know what you mean about not talking about the 5. I hated instructing FE's from other airframes because they always referenced everything from their previous frames. I'm now a 130 guy and I'm not looking back. The only bummer is that you learn on E models and then you have to go back home to your H models and learn their particulars. At least the training is only six months versus a year and a half for the 5.

BigBaze
11-11-2008, 09:51 PM
My house is directly under the approach path to one of the runways at McGuire, unmistakeable sound when those C5's come over:>

Fissie
11-12-2008, 11:49 PM
First of all, I'd like to say Hi, and thank all of you guys who've been posting for the last hmm...almost year, and especially you BigBaze for starting all this. I've been silently following this thread since May, when my husband started considering re-training. You guys have given us answers to questions when we had no clue who to ask, from failing depth perception tests to his status progression time-frame. My husband has class dates starting in June '09...finally! Like most of you here, he had quite a ride getting to this point too.

We are comming from Overseas as well, like AFWIFE. We had orders to Aviano (don't get me started), they were just cancelled because he was accepted to re-train. Does anyone know how long it should take us to get new ones? The Hubby wants to be on HH-60's so he's put down Nellis, Moody, DM, and Kirkland. We've heard the orders we get will pretty much determine what airframe he'll be on. Is that what you guys who've been through it seen as well?
Also, from the family aspect, what have you folks families done while you've been going through all of your classes?
AFWIFE, what are your plans through all of this?

BigBaze
11-13-2008, 12:21 AM
First of all, I'd like to say Hi, and thank all of you guys who've been posting for the last hmm...almost year, and especially you BigBaze for starting all this. I've been silently following this thread since May, when my husband started considering re-training. You guys have given us answers to questions when we had no clue who to ask, from failing depth perception tests to his status progression time-frame. My husband has class dates starting in June '09...finally! Like most of you here, he had quite a ride getting to this point too.

We are comming from Overseas as well, like AFWIFE. We had orders to Aviano (don't get me started), they were just cancelled because he was accepted to re-train. Does anyone know how long it should take us to get new ones? The Hubby wants to be on HH-60's so he's put down Nellis, Moody, DM, and Kirkland. We've heard the orders we get will pretty much determine what airframe he'll be on. Is that what you guys who've been through it seen as well?
Also, from the family aspect, what have you folks families done while you've been going through all of your classes?
AFWIFE, what are your plans through all of this?

No problem it's been great helping you all out, and the ones I have helped have turned right around and passed their advice on as well. I am not sure about the whole orders thing will go, but yes you will know what airframe and base you are going to well before you go to class. Class in June huh, that's quite a wait. It is worth it. At least you will be able to go to the base you will be assigned to after BFE and SERE so if there isn't a flight school slot available you can still be around the sqaudron and get your pubs and gear in order. I got an early sim in the morning so I am off to bed, good luck to you all!

TheMrs
11-13-2008, 12:32 AM
First of all, I'd like to say Hi, and thank all of you guys who've been posting for the last hmm...almost year, and especially you BigBaze for starting all this. I've been silently following this thread since May, when my husband started considering re-training. You guys have given us answers to questions when we had no clue who to ask, from failing depth perception tests to his status progression time-frame. My husband has class dates starting in June '09...finally! Like most of you here, he had quite a ride getting to this point too.

We are comming from Overseas as well, like AFWIFE. We had orders to Aviano (don't get me started), they were just cancelled because he was accepted to re-train. Does anyone know how long it should take us to get new ones? The Hubby wants to be on HH-60's so he's put down Nellis, Moody, DM, and Kirkland. We've heard the orders we get will pretty much determine what airframe he'll be on. Is that what you guys who've been through it seen as well?
Also, from the family aspect, what have you folks families done while you've been going through all of your classes?
AFWIFE, what are your plans through all of this?

I don't think you can get Kirtland unless you're an FE instructor. My husband and I are in there states so I just stayed where I was at until he finished up with school but from what I've seen if you're coming from overseas the family will be moved to your next duty station. I've also seen someone who came from Germany, the guy was training on the 60s , and his wife and children stayed at Kirtland (where the 60 specific school is) being that it was the longest school he was going to be at.guess it's different for the airframe (time length of school) and/or what the AF decides at the time. Like I've said before my husband wanted heliocopters so he put down every base that has themand he got it but that's what was avaliable at the time.

earlheron
11-13-2008, 05:35 AM
I almost took a 10 job at McGuire just before 9/11. I interviewed with the chief engineer and he said come on up and a couple of days later I did. In the early morning hours of 9/12 I was flying medical teams to McGuire for possible use at ground zero. After that we were activated and flying in the gulf. The 10 is a nice bird unless your air refueling behind it, then it sucks. Nothing like the tail engine blowing across your T-tail making you do the wave. Air refueling is one thing I'll miss. We once did a quadruple air refuel from Travis to Mogadishu, one of the only times it's been done. I'm looking forward to controlling the throttles in the 130. We never did that in the 5 because we were too far back.

Sounds like you approach is on course and on glideslope c5engineer. Although they talk some about throttle control by the FE in school, I found that most pilots don't like us messing with their throttles. The '130 FE is more of a team member and fuel & airframe-cycle record logger (and back-seat driver) than anything else during cruise. Keeping your enthusiasm reading the checklists is another important contribution. 130 FE is more low key than the 141s and 5s were. Trash hauling is more cultural than technical I found.

IDesire2Fly
11-14-2008, 04:03 AM
Hello all! I would like to piggy-back on all of the thanx given for starting this post Baze, and for everyone that has contributed to it. There is so much information on this thread, all of us in cross-training land are very thankful!! I just found out on the 3rd of November that I was approved retraining into FE. Just found out today that my first class date is 22 Sep 09. I too am coming from overseas, so I am definitely unfamiliar on what is going to happen, I'm basically along for the ride. AFWife, does your husband have the same class date? What base are you coming from? Again, thanx for all the help all of you out there in the FE world. I look forward to joining you one day...

kenton
11-14-2008, 02:17 PM
Hello all! I would like to piggy-back on all of the thanx given for starting this post Baze, and for everyone that has contributed to it. There is so much information on this thread, all of us in cross-training land are very thankful!! I just found out on the 3rd of November that I was approved retraining into FE. Just found out today that my first class date is 22 Sep 09. I too am coming from overseas, so I am definitely unfamiliar on what is going to happen, I'm basically along for the ride. AFWife, does your husband have the same class date? What base are you coming from? Again, thanx for all the help all of you out there in the FE world. I look forward to joining you one day...

Just a quick question. Is your DEROS Sept 09? Mine is Nov 09 and they told me I had to wait for the FY10 quotas because of my DEROS. You figured they would have caught that before I turned in my entire package. Hopefully I will be able to turn in the same package in Feb March and wont have to accomplish all the medical again... Only time will tell. Good Luck!

IDesire2Fly
11-14-2008, 05:43 PM
Yes, my DEROS is Sep 09. I just made it in the nick of time. Since the FY starts in Oct I just slid in there. Good luck with that, hopefully they have the same rediculous ammount of slots as they did this FY. I wish you the best!

c5engineer
11-15-2008, 02:27 AM
Hey BigBaze, I was wondering if there was a page on AF Portal that could hook me up with the syllabus for MIQ. I know that Little Rock has a web page, but I've been unable to navigate it from home and am not going to the squadron for a couple of weeks. Someone was talking about a page maybe from Randolph that discussed the various training schools and requirements. I'd just like to know what I"m in for. Even though I've gone through training before with the 5 and was an instructor, I'd like to know how the 130's structure their training. My chief informed me that the BFE I attended in Altus 15 years ago is lacking from a 130 standpoint so apparently they have a performance school for jet crossovers. In addition, they have the initial qual, then a mission qual involving tac flying with NVG's and airdrop so I'd like to get a drop (pun intended) on all this. The one thing I"ve seen with all my successful students is that they "lean forward in the straps" versus the washouts who aren't self starters and very assertive. Hope your still enjoying the 10 training. I know you hear stories and look forward to real operations, it's going to be better than you imagined. They did a great article on a 10 crew the opening night of the Iraq war where they pumped gas for some fighters that got into some trouble. Personally too many people think that tanker/airlift doesn't get their hands into the fight and I can tell you from personal experience that we're right there

BigBaze
11-15-2008, 03:26 AM
Hey BigBaze, I was wondering if there was a page on AF Portal that could hook me up with the syllabus for MIQ. I know that Little Rock has a web page, but I've been unable to navigate it from home and am not going to the squadron for a couple of weeks. Someone was talking about a page maybe from Randolph that discussed the various training schools and requirements. I'd just like to know what I"m in for. Even though I've gone through training before with the 5 and was an instructor, I'd like to know how the 130's structure their training. My chief informed me that the BFE I attended in Altus 15 years ago is lacking from a 130 standpoint so apparently they have a performance school for jet crossovers. In addition, they have the initial qual, then a mission qual involving tac flying with NVG's and airdrop so I'd like to get a drop (pun intended) on all this. The one thing I"ve seen with all my successful students is that they "lean forward in the straps" versus the washouts who aren't self starters and very assertive. Hope your still enjoying the 10 training. I know you hear stories and look forward to real operations, it's going to be better than you imagined. They did a great article on a 10 crew the opening night of the Iraq war where they pumped gas for some fighters that got into some trouble. Personally too many people think that tanker/airlift doesn't get their hands into the fight and I can tell you from personal experience that we're right there


https://etca.randolph.af.mil and you have to access it from a work computer I think. It gives you the course syllabus and required gear. Just click on I think AETC and find the C130 FE Initial qualification school. You can find the outlines for pretty much any airframe school as well as BFE/EAUC and SERE

ArcticChilla
11-15-2008, 05:41 PM
Block 1 is a beotch. Looking forward to moving into Block 3.....

c5engineer
11-15-2008, 10:20 PM
Thanks BigBaze. I thought I'd read that somewhere. I'll go to the squadron next week and start digging. I just wish I had a school date now.

BigBaze
11-16-2008, 05:10 AM
Thanks BigBaze. I thought I'd read that somewhere. I'll go to the squadron next week and start digging. I just wish I had a school date now.


I hear ya brother. It sucks waiting on a flight school date, luckily for me one dropped real fast and I couldn't be having more fun. There's nothing like flying, all the retraining process and SERE etc was worth it!

AfricanSnowOwl
11-16-2008, 03:49 PM
Hey BigBaze, at what point did you find out what squadron you were going to up there? My orders just say the group, so I called the MPF and the group up there and no one really knows whats goin on with me.

HC130P_FE
11-16-2008, 05:40 PM
Yes the BFE class that all active duty went to is lacking. The BFE that was taught at altus was the B1RD and it was all 141 stuff. But don't worry about KLRF isn't not that bad. I can give you about step by step of what you an expect a little rock. I still have access to my E grade book from when i was there 2 years ago. If you have any questions i can try to answer them, so just let me know.

BigBaze
11-17-2008, 12:05 AM
Hey BigBaze, at what point did you find out what squadron you were going to up there? My orders just say the group, so I called the MPF and the group up there and no one really knows whats goin on with me.


Damn had to sort through all the damn spam posts to find this thread again:) My orders originally said 305 OG/OSS and then I got called by the 2nd ARS (you will be going to the 2nd ARS or 32nd ARS) by my sponsor, shoot me a private email and give me your info and I will check on things

c5engineer
11-17-2008, 12:24 AM
Man, I hadn't heard the term B1RD in forever. I never gave the two days of 130 prop stuff a moments thought as I was headed to C-5's. I am trying to sort out how the school goes. I guess you have an initial qual that fams you with the E and the basic stuff like CL's and EPE's. Then you go through MIQ, which deals with the TAC, NVG stuff. I'm not sure where the performance is taught. Is that incorporated in FIQ? I don't want to assume anything. Man do I want to get going. For me I'm only allowed 120 days for upgrade as I come from another frame. No biggie in terms of the systems. The 130 is tame compared to the 5, but the only additional qual they have is A/R, but 130's have TAC stuff. I just want to maximize school and get back for H2 training. I'm still blown away that several of the engineers in my squadron had 75 hours at MQ and went straight to the desert and flew alone. Crazy!! 5's don't MQ with less than 300 hours and most have 350-400 before we they're let loose on the world. I'm just jazzed about the mission change. I need to relax and drink it all in because school is the time to soak it all up without someone shooting at your ass!!! Any tips about sims (how many, any CPT's) and how much flying. As well as check out after IQ and a check ride after MIQ or just one? Thanks HC-130P.

jparker
11-17-2008, 06:45 AM
Hey everyone, I just found this forum. I just got my class dates for FE, I leave in March of 09! My retraining went very fast from what I have heard, I submitted my package on 5 OCT, and got my class dates 13 NOV! My question for everyone is I am currently at Tinker AFB, an AWACS Crew Cheif, well I have worked at MOC for the last 3 years............anyway, I do not want to come back here, and I do not want to come back to AWACS, what can I do to not come back??????

HC130P_FE
11-17-2008, 12:35 PM
when you get to BFE you will fill out a dream sheet. Don't put down any where that the E-3 is. You most likely will not get KC-10's or C-5's. That leaves C-130's, E-8's, G-5's and heilo's. So pick the plane you want then put down the bases where that plane is.

BigBaze
11-17-2008, 12:40 PM
Hey everyone, I just found this forum. I just got my class dates for FE, I leave in March of 09! My retraining went very fast from what I have heard, I submitted my package on 5 OCT, and got my class dates 13 NOV! My question for everyone is I am currently at Tinker AFB, an AWACS Crew Cheif, well I have worked at MOC for the last 3 years............anyway, I do not want to come back here, and I do not want to come back to AWACS, what can I do to not come back??????


I am close to 100% sure you will be going right back to Tinker. If the functional manager does not have to PCS you, he won't, unless they are grossly undermanned in another airframe. When he comes to speak to the class he will explain that to you all.

BigBaze
11-17-2008, 12:41 PM
Man, I hadn't heard the term B1RD in forever. I never gave the two days of 130 prop stuff a moments thought as I was headed to C-5's. I am trying to sort out how the school goes. I guess you have an initial qual that fams you with the E and the basic stuff like CL's and EPE's. Then you go through MIQ, which deals with the TAC, NVG stuff. I'm not sure where the performance is taught. Is that incorporated in FIQ? I don't want to assume anything. Man do I want to get going. For me I'm only allowed 120 days for upgrade as I come from another frame. No biggie in terms of the systems. The 130 is tame compared to the 5, but the only additional qual they have is A/R, but 130's have TAC stuff. I just want to maximize school and get back for H2 training. I'm still blown away that several of the engineers in my squadron had 75 hours at MQ and went straight to the desert and flew alone. Crazy!! 5's don't MQ with less than 300 hours and most have 350-400 before we they're let loose on the world. I'm just jazzed about the mission change. I need to relax and drink it all in because school is the time to soak it all up without someone shooting at your ass!!! Any tips about sims (how many, any CPT's) and how much flying. As well as check out after IQ and a check ride after MIQ or just one? Thanks HC-130P.


Yeah on the -10 they require us to have 150-200 hours before we go to the desert to include cargo missions and fighter drags

BigBaze
11-17-2008, 12:43 PM
when you get to BFE you will fill out a dream sheet. Don't put down any where that the E-3 is. You most likely will not get KC-10's or C-5's. That leaves C-130's, E-8's, G-5's and heilo's. So pick the plane you want then put down the bases where that plane is.


I don't think any of the Gulfstream aircraft are available, at least they were not when I went through, like the AC130, E4 etc you need 500 hours on a previous airframe before you apply.

icetrey
11-17-2008, 05:06 PM
"You most likely will not get KC-10's or C-5's. "

Why not? That's going to be my #1 and #2...

BTW, I leave for my first class in a couple weeks...Water survival. If anyone has any tips or good info please feel free to share.

BigBaze
11-17-2008, 09:52 PM
"You most likely will not get KC-10's or C-5's. "

Why not? That's going to be my #1 and #2...

BTW, I leave for my first class in a couple weeks...Water survival. If anyone has any tips or good info please feel free to share.


Water survival at Pensacola = Fun time! On the third day when you parasail into the bay and sit in your one man life raft, bring some beef jerky/nonperishable snacks, wrap them in shrink wrap and carry them in your flight suit, makes for a nice time when they leave you out there for a couple hours.

FNG
11-18-2008, 12:03 AM
"You most likely will not get KC-10's or C-5's. "

Why not? That's going to be my #1 and #2...

BTW, I leave for my first class in a couple weeks...Water survival. If anyone has any tips or good info please feel free to share.


I'll see you there

Fissie
11-18-2008, 12:09 AM
The Cheif my husband's been working with here at Mildenhall called today and asked if he wanted to go to Moody or Nellis! I'm seriously crossing my fingers that he gets the airframe that he wants, but this is a good sign! We should find out this week...wish us luck!

IDesire2Fly
11-18-2008, 03:23 AM
Forgive me if this is already out there and I missed it. How do flight hours carry over to the civilian side? Is it one to one, or is it 1 to 3? Which leads me to 2 more questions, how are helo hours compared? And, are there any helo FE's out there, how is it?

TheMrs
11-18-2008, 04:10 AM
The Cheif my husband's been working with here at Mildenhall called today and asked if he wanted to go to Moody or Nellis! I'm seriously crossing my fingers that he gets the airframe that he wants, but this is a good sign! We should find out this week...wish us luck!

awesome. I hope he gets what he wants? Your husband was the one who wanted 60s right?

TheMrs
11-18-2008, 04:15 AM
Forgive me if this is already out there and I missed it. How do flight hours carry over to the civilian side? Is it one to one, or is it 1 to 3? Which leads me to 2 more questions, how are helo hours compared? And, are there any helo FE's out there, how is it?

My husband is a helo FE and he said he wasnt sure how the hours transfer over but he loves his job.....
Oh and I was able to fly on one last week and IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!

chachikeno
11-18-2008, 01:06 PM
I have a quick question. I went through my flight physical yesterday and I passed all my tests. I asked about the AF form 422 and they told me they do not do that test anymore unless you are on a profile which limits you in your day-to-day work. Has any of you been told the same? I just dont want to be missled by the Med Group and have to redo this later on. I know my retraining package ask for me to submit an AF Form 422.

icetrey
11-18-2008, 02:22 PM
"Forgive me if this is already out there and I missed it. How do flight hours carry over to the civilian side? Is it one to one, or is it 1 to 3? Which leads me to 2 more questions, how are helo hours compared? And, are there any helo FE's out there, how is it?"

I'm not sure if I have an answer for you, but I know a little on the subject. I believe FE hours carry over 1-for1. If you're looking at pilot hours, you can transfer 500 hours of FE time towards an ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) rating, which is a 1,500 hour requirment for fixed wing aircraft. Obviously though, you must already have endorsments for your insturment rating, commercial, muli-engine, etc. I'm not sure how that works in the helo-world though.

Thanks for the info Baze..."couple hours" huh? sounds fun. Hopefully I don't have any open cuts....won't be happy if I start hearing the JAWS theme song (du-nuh, du-nuh)

Great news FNG...glad to hear I won't be the only FE retraining guy there.

ArcticChilla
11-18-2008, 05:36 PM
Block 1 down....Only Block 3 to go then on to BFE....

wingman0330
11-18-2008, 08:02 PM
What is the name of the building that we report on the first day of class in lackland? I know i've read it somewhere but can't find it again. I'm leaving tomorrow from Missouri for my class that starts on Fri I can't wait!

BigBaze
11-18-2008, 09:16 PM
What is the name of the building that we report on the first day of class in lackland? I know i've read it somewhere but can't find it again. I'm leaving tomorrow from Missouri for my class that starts on Fri I can't wait!


the 344th TRS or Forbes Hall

hachi
11-18-2008, 11:43 PM
I got accepted to retrain as a FE. Do you have any advice for someone coming from a non-feeder AFSC career field? Is there anything I can study before I go to BFE? Also someone (not an FE) told me that the BFE course has alot of math. Should I be brushing up on my math skills? If so, what type of math would help out? Thanks.

BigBaze
11-19-2008, 12:05 AM
I got accepted to retrain as a FE. Do you have any advice for someone coming from a non-feeder AFSC career field? Is there anything I can study before I go to BFE? Also someone (not an FE) told me that the BFE course has alot of math. Should I be brushing up on my math skills? If so, what type of math would help out? Thanks.


Nothing close to quantum physics or calculus:) Just brush up on long division and multiplication (manually). It is not impossible to succeed as an FE coming from a non feeder AFSC, it just takes extra studying. Are you mechanically minded at all? If you like, read up on weather, how a jet engine works etc, but you do want to read the schoolhouse's workbooks otherwise you might get confused. Just study hard when you get there, and good luck!

c5engineer
11-19-2008, 02:55 AM
FE hours are 1 for 1, but you can only x-fer 500 for ATP. Take it from a former airline SO, your FE training/hours carries no weight with the big boys. As for the cargo haulers that fly 747-100/200 A310, 727 or DC-8 you can get a PFE job, but those are dead end. The best option is to get your multi-engine, inst, comm and try and get picked up by a feeder like Comair. If you take a PFE job sometimes the airline won't let you advance because you get paid more than a SO who takes a cut in pay for future progression. I'm not sure how helo stuff works. We didn't hire flight mechs or helo FE's because we wanted fixed wing FE experience. Also C-5 and KC-10's cross well with commercial FE jobs. 130's work well with specialty carriers and firefighting. Me, I'm staying a reserve bum now because my buddy flew with Airborne Express for 15 years as a FO and CAPT and he just got notice he'll be flying DHL's last domestic lines in January. It's volatile and no one is exempt. I've watched guys who were flying for Atlas end up bumming in the reserves because they got picked up by Continental only to be furloughed the first week of training. If you do get a decent airline job it's like the stock market. You always take a chance when it comes to moving from a high seniority slot to a newbie with another carrier. Of course, if your senior slot is with someone like Tower or Southern, or Kaletta it just might not be strong to begin with. I know this is a short novel, but I just wanted to let you know what's out there. I'm a former 727 guy who came from the FE world on C-5's. If I could have done it over I would have built up time in a commuter once I finished my degree and taken my chances, but I wanted more money up front. Good luck.

Bleedblue
11-19-2008, 03:00 AM
practice sleeping for "crew rest" and wearing your Flight cap like your in the blue angels....
Say Yadda- Yadda alot and "Vector"
ummm....drink nasty weird obscure micro brews
oh yaeh.....buy a BMW

Cheers !

BigBaze
11-19-2008, 03:11 AM
practice sleeping for "crew rest" and wearing your Flight cap like your in the blue angels....
Say Yadda- Yadda alot and "Vector"
ummm....drink nasty weird obscure micro brews
oh yaeh.....buy a BMW

Cheers !



Yes I love my crew rest. Yes I love my flight suit. Yes I love going TDY all the time and making insane per diem, and deploying and getting tax free pay. I'm getting a BMW for Christmas. Cheers to you!

Bleedblue
11-19-2008, 03:18 AM
Yes I love my crew rest. Yes I love my flight suit. Yes I love going TDY all the time and making insane per diem, and deploying and getting tax free pay. I'm getting a BMW for Christmas. Cheers to you!
Don't forget to push up your Flight suit sleeves......

BigBaze
11-19-2008, 03:25 AM
Don't forget to push up your Flight suit sleeves......


I do but they don't stay up to well, now if they made us a blues flight suit for Monday...wait there I go giving them ideas.

Bleedblue
11-19-2008, 03:27 AM
I do but they don't stay up to well, now if they made us a blues flight suit for Monday...wait there I go giving them ideas.
Right...right....you guys probably don't have to wear them though right ?
Be carefull.....LOL

BigBaze
11-19-2008, 03:31 AM
Right...right....you guys probably don't have to wear them though right ?
Be carefull.....LOL


No actually if we are not flying or in the sim we wear blues on Monday, I just crosstrained from maintenance so believe me I had everything ready, service dress and all:) I heard at my old maintenance squadron they were making the maintainers come to work in their blues and change into ABU's.

Bleedblue
11-19-2008, 03:33 AM
No actually if we are not flying or in the sim we wear blues on Monday, I just crosstrained from maintenance so believe me I had everything ready, service dress and all:) I heard at my old maintenance squadron they were making the maintainers come to work in their blues and change into ABU's.
Yeah,
thats part of the work smarter, not harder concept....lets see if we don't see a drop in first term maintainers if this continues....these young kids are alot of things, but they arnt dumb....90% see this as smoke and mirrors.....

BigBaze
11-19-2008, 03:51 AM
Yeah,
thats part of the work smarter, not harder concept....lets see if we don't see a drop in first term maintainers if this continues....these young kids are alot of things, but they arnt dumb....90% see this as smoke and mirrors.....


Lost some of my best that way, was on the flightline for 6 years; 7 level F15 engine troop and had enough, I get treated a lot better here in the aircrew world, we're just gone a lot but it's ok. Now when this wing king we have ,leaves , (that makes everyone wear PT gear in the gym and makes us tuck it in while working out, wants to make the base smoke and alcohol free and says we can only wear the green boots with the ABU) it will be a better place. Like I said in some of my other posts I just plan for and expect the worst, and when something good happens it's a good day

Bleedblue
11-19-2008, 03:57 AM
Lost some of my best that way, was on the flightline for 6 years; 7 level F15 engine troop and had enough, I get treated a lot better here in the aircrew world, we're just gone a lot but it's ok. Now when this wing king we have ,leaves , (that makes everyone wear PT gear in the gym and makes us tuck it in while working out, wants to make the base smoke and alcohol free and says we can only wear the green boots with the ABU) it will be a better place. Like I said in some of my other posts I just plan for and expect the worst, and when something good happens it's a good day
LOL...I love tucking in my t-shirt into my blue Hooters girls shorts !!!!
I love how everybase has different rules for the wear of the uniform, and we wonder why people don't make corrections, LOL...the deathof common sense I tell you !
Well, smoking and drinking on your base I am sure are very important topics above all else....this is killing me....LOL...whew...now I know why MSgt's retire at 20.....they can't force in any more BS.....

BigBaze
11-19-2008, 09:34 PM
LOL...I love tucking in my t-shirt into my blue Hooters girls shorts !!!!
I love how everybase has different rules for the wear of the uniform, and we wonder why people don't make corrections, LOL...the deathof common sense I tell you !
Well, smoking and drinking on your base I am sure are very important topics above all else....this is killing me....LOL...whew...now I know why MSgt's retire at 20.....they can't force in any more BS.....


Yeah we are really getting undermanned since the wing king decreed that no MSgt will advance past that rank without an 80 on their PT test. Needless to say there are a half dozen retirements in the works.

Bleedblue
11-19-2008, 09:37 PM
Yeah we are really getting undermanned since the wing king decreed that no MSgt will advance past that rank without an 80 on their PT test. Needless to say there are a half dozen retirements in the works.
in a couple of years this is all going to come to an ugly head.....

HC130P_FE
11-20-2008, 12:58 PM
for the 130 guys here is what you can expect for CPT, SIMS and actul flight if you go through the FMQ course.
school house:
11 CPT's
17 SIM's

Flight line:
15 GT's at the AS
1 EPE with the AS

4 FIQ flights
11 FMQ (tac) flights
1 Check ride


With that said i have heard that they do the FIQ then send you to the flight line for 4 flights. Then back to the school house for the FMQ sims. When i was at the Rock we did all school house and the all flight line. But i'm sure you can expect the same number of events. I think they still teach one system a day and then test that day or the next. So don't get behind on your limits.

I've spoken with several FE that came off E3 and C5's that said 130 guys know more limits and have to know more EPs. That being said we have the standard 3 bold face EP's with a 4th to come i'm pretty sure. But we are expected to know the three steps of every EP. have to know the 12 ESP conditions as well almost every limit from the limit sheet. If you need a copy of one i can send it to you. There is also a different Engine limts on the E's to the H's. That can also be an ass pain remember different numbers for the different engines. But If you study it won't be to hard, because i didn't study anything but EP's and it was easy.

Fissie
11-20-2008, 02:13 PM
We just got orders to the 66th RQS at Nellis! That means he'll be on HH-60s like he wanted! Yay! I'm more than excited!! Do any of you other folks comming from overseas have class dates yet for the main course? From what we've heard he may have to wait a while to get into a class? He has his first couple scheduled already from June 5 to the end of August. Our RNL date to Nellis is 30 April though. What do they do with him from 30 Apr-June 5? I know there was some talk about this in the begining of this thread, but what has everyone else experienced? Will he do his old job until his classes start, what about the time when he may have to wait for the main class to start? We are taking quite a bit of leave to travel around Europe before we leave the UK, so we might not have much saved up to use.

kenton
11-20-2008, 05:37 PM
We just got orders to the 66th RQS at Nellis! That means he'll be on HH-60s like he wanted! Yay! I'm more than excited!! Do any of you other folks comming from overseas have class dates yet for the main course? From what we've heard he may have to wait a while to get into a class? He has his first couple scheduled already from June 5 to the end of August. Our RNL date to Nellis is 30 April though. What do they do with him from 30 Apr-June 5? I know there was some talk about this in the begining of this thread, but what has everyone else experienced? Will he do his old job until his classes start, what about the time when he may have to wait for the main class to start? We are taking quite a bit of leave to travel around Europe before we leave the UK, so we might not have much saved up to use.

I have been following your other writings here, and I knew when you said they gave you the options of Nellis or Moody you were going HH-60. Congrats on your hubby getting what he wanted. I do have a question though. Seeing that they have HH-60's in the UK Why didnt they just leave you there. I guess my quesiton is was that even a possibility? Or was it not allowed.... And for your travels around Europe remember Ryanair.com.... its the cheapest way to go if you are flying! Good Luck!

TheMrs
11-20-2008, 06:51 PM
We just got orders to the 66th RQS at Nellis! That means he'll be on HH-60s like he wanted! Yay! I'm more than excited!! Do any of you other folks comming from overseas have class dates yet for the main course? From what we've heard he may have to wait a while to get into a class? He has his first couple scheduled already from June 5 to the end of August. Our RNL date to Nellis is 30 April though. What do they do with him from 30 Apr-June 5? I know there was some talk about this in the begining of this thread, but what has everyone else experienced? Will he do his old job until his classes start, what about the time when he may have to wait for the main class to start? We are taking quite a bit of leave to travel around Europe before we leave the UK, so we might not have much saved up to use.

Congrats and welcome to the world of being a helo FE spouse! My husband wanted 60s and had the option of that or the uh-1n and left the choice up to me and I said I'd rather have him not deploy even though I know that may be the case on a uh-1n in the future. I wish you and your family the best!

BigBaze
11-20-2008, 09:31 PM
We just got orders to the 66th RQS at Nellis! That means he'll be on HH-60s like he wanted! Yay! I'm more than excited!! Do any of you other folks comming from overseas have class dates yet for the main course? From what we've heard he may have to wait a while to get into a class? He has his first couple scheduled already from June 5 to the end of August. Our RNL date to Nellis is 30 April though. What do they do with him from 30 Apr-June 5? I know there was some talk about this in the begining of this thread, but what has everyone else experienced? Will he do his old job until his classes start, what about the time when he may have to wait for the main class to start? We are taking quite a bit of leave to travel around Europe before we leave the UK, so we might not have much saved up to use.


I came up to McGuire a month ahead of my flight school and it helped me out to get settled in, know the area. The first thing they had me do was post my pubs and startr reading them! That's the best advice I can give you, get in the books, and start learning limitations and basic things, it helped me out because now I am in the sim phase and you gotta know alot of those limitations and boldface off the top of your head.

Fissie
11-21-2008, 12:09 AM
I have been following your other writings here, and I knew when you said they gave you the options of Nellis or Moody you were going HH-60. Congrats on your hubby getting what he wanted. I do have a question though. Seeing that they have HH-60's in the UK Why didnt they just leave you there. I guess my quesiton is was that even a possibility? Or was it not allowed.... And for your travels around Europe remember Ryanair.com.... its the cheapest way to go if you are flying! Good Luck!

We asked the Cheif if it was even a possibility to just stay over here b/c they do have HH-60's at Lakenheath (the ones that came from Iceland). We would have LOVED to stay, we bought our house over here and are not looking forward to renting from half way around the world. He said that they'll always PCS you stateside for your first base, no exception. I dont know why they have that rule, it's just a waste of money for them, especially when someone's willing to just stay in one place. But then again, who am I to question why the AF wastes so much money on a daily basis???
Ryanair rocks my socks! Our family of four flew to Ireland for $32 total! By far it's the cheapest! Just make sure you buy travel insurance, we got stuck in Sardinia in September for 5 extra days b/c they closed the airport due to a storm. It was a nice little extended vacation....to say the least!

Fissie
11-21-2008, 12:14 AM
I came up to McGuire a month ahead of my flight school and it helped me out to get settled in, know the area. The first thing they had me do was post my pubs and startr reading them! That's the best advice I can give you, get in the books, and start learning limitations and basic things, it helped me out because now I am in the sim phase and you gotta know alot of those limitations and boldface off the top of your head.

I'm starting to think that it might be best to let him go by himself, and I'll stay in Vegas. We have two very young boys and as much as he loves us, I think we'll probably be more of a distraction for him.

Fissie
11-21-2008, 12:26 AM
Just a quick question. Is your DEROS Sept 09? Mine is Nov 09 and they told me I had to wait for the FY10 quotas because of my DEROS. You figured they would have caught that before I turned in my entire package. Hopefully I will be able to turn in the same package in Feb March and wont have to accomplish all the medical again... Only time will tell. Good Luck!

Have you asked if you can get a waiver to curtail your DEROS? My husband ran into problems because by the time the quota lists dropped(and finally ajusted to show FE as crit manned) in Aug he was out of his re-training window. He ran into all sorts of people who just simply told him "No", that he had passed all deadlines to re-train. We even got orders. He finally was able to get someone at AFPC to email him an example of an "exception to policy" letter, which he sent in with the Cheif of the Special Ops Sq's endorsement (he just happens to be an FE). He was approved with his status 5 about 2 weeks later. I would start asking around and see what you can come up with.

c5engineer
11-21-2008, 12:46 AM
for the 130 guys here is what you can expect for CPT, SIMS and actul flight if you go through the FMQ course.
school house:
11 CPT's
17 SIM's

Flight line:
15 GT's at the AS
1 EPE with the AS

4 FIQ flights
11 FMQ (tac) flights
1 Check ride


With that said i have heard that they do the FIQ then send you to the flight line for 4 flights. Then back to the school house for the FMQ sims. When i was at the Rock we did all school house and the all flight line. But i'm sure you can expect the same number of events. I think they still teach one system a day and then test that day or the next. So don't get behind on your limits.

I've spoken with several FE that came off E3 and C5's that said 130 guys know more limits and have to know more EPs. That being said we have the standard 3 bold face EP's with a 4th to come i'm pretty sure. But we are expected to know the three steps of every EP. have to know the 12 ESP conditions as well almost every limit from the limit sheet. If you need a copy of one i can send it to you. There is also a different Engine limts on the E's to the H's. That can also be an ass pain remember different numbers for the different engines. But If you study it won't be to hard, because i didn't study anything but EP's and it was easy.

Thanks a lot for the info. It seems like it's not too bad. The systems are less complicated and there are less of them. I heard the same thing from the guys in my new squadron about C-5's and the limits and EPEs. As an instructor with over 4k hours our limit sheets were the same size and quantity. As for emergency/precautionary engine shutdown reasons we had a ton. As for Bold Face we have 7 of our own in addition to many procedures, which the first several steps you really need to have committed to memory (i.e. loss of hydraulics). About the most complicated thing I see on the 130 is the propeller and reduction gearing plus all of the throttle positions. Data is easier on the 5 now because it's all on the computer. I figured the E to H thing wouldn't be too bad. When I flew commercial we had 72's that were from different companies (Pan Am, TWA, etc.) and they all had different limitations and procedures even though they were all 7272-200's.

I just wish I could get a school date so I can get started. My AO was never suspended so with my 1042 I've been able to UF it and get A forms (sorry ARMS) squared away a little. I'm going to start hanging around for mission briefs and watching preflights and data computations so at least I'll have a heads up.

HC130P_FE
11-21-2008, 02:22 AM
well Es to H's there is a different 1-1. sorry there is not computer. There is a excel program for the h 1-1 but i've never figured it out. i can do a full card in less then 10 mins. Plus i truely only update the mini if i'm press for time. Well glad to know that you had to know all the EP's from 5's but i know from E3 guys they are suprised we have to know what we know. But systems? if you think there are less then your in for it. I was mx on 5's at one point. systems are not the same but however there are fewer. but they are harder to learn. Just wait till you get to KLRF and you will understand. I never got the 5's systems because i was use to the 130. But since you got 4k hours you'll be fine. The only thing you'll hate is haveing to run charts every damn day. The USAF will not give us E told. It's on PFPS but they won't let us use it go figure.

don't worry about the prop it pure f'ing magic.

c5engineer
11-21-2008, 04:36 AM
They seem simpler, but what really has me is the verbage. It's completely different for the same thing. It's like the 5 and 130 teams for Lockheed never even had lunch together. The schematics are simpler. The landing gear isn't complicated, there isn't a substantial hydraulic system and the a/c is as simple as it comes. The electrical is very similar in operation to a 727. In a 5 you just start engines with the generator switches on and they synch themselves. I don't like that the copilot has the hydraulics on his panel and that he can accidentally cover the gauges. I do like the seat and the mission. It takes three months of systems before you even hit the flight line for 5 FIQ. Then it's 32 hours and a checkride just to get FF. A year after that your an MF with 300+ hours. We have two squadrons at the reserve base here. The other squadron does aerial spray. Those guys are so damn busy with hurricane season! I thought TAC was rough and ready flying low those guys could manicure a golf course with how low they fly. If the pilot hiccups and pushes the stick slightly downward they could harvest corn. How long is the total school? I am a dinosaur. I love charts. When they went to a computer TOLD I felt elated that it would only take 1 minute to do a 5 TOLD card because they are long and tedious, but now there is room for complacency. Then again I don't text either so I'm behind the tech curve. I've been seeing these organizers that you hang on the back of the copilots seat. Is that meant to be the office? Just wondering if we use knee boards to write on. Damn I miss flying!!!! I don't miss travel pay screwing you out of hard earned per diem or the 500 mission changes between preflight and takeoff. I do miss the camraderie and believe it or not I miss the long missions and staging. For Strat guys we didn't deploy, but we still managed to be gone 250 days a year minimum. For us it was a lot of waiting for rotation into the stage. Down range and then drinking prior to entering Bravo. I'm not sure how the deployed aircrew fights, but it would seem you'd have more steady mission frags with known destinations because your flying regular runs. We never knew if we were headed stateside or around the world. Once I went around the world and thought that was cool, but then did it again like three weeks later and wanted to get off the merry go round. I'm hoping that deployment is more regular.

BigBaze
11-21-2008, 04:55 AM
They seem simpler, but what really has me is the verbage. It's completely different for the same thing. It's like the 5 and 130 teams for Lockheed never even had lunch together. The schematics are simpler. The landing gear isn't complicated, there isn't a substantial hydraulic system and the a/c is as simple as it comes. The electrical is very similar in operation to a 727. In a 5 you just start engines with the generator switches on and they synch themselves. I don't like that the copilot has the hydraulics on his panel and that he can accidentally cover the gauges. I do like the seat and the mission. It takes three months of systems before you even hit the flight line for 5 FIQ. Then it's 32 hours and a checkride just to get FF. A year after that your an MF with 300+ hours. We have two squadrons at the reserve base here. The other squadron does aerial spray. Those guys are so damn busy with hurricane season! I thought TAC was rough and ready flying low those guys could manicure a golf course with how low they fly. If the pilot hiccups and pushes the stick slightly downward they could harvest corn. How long is the total school? I am a dinosaur. I love charts. When they went to a computer TOLD I felt elated that it would only take 1 minute to do a 5 TOLD card because they are long and tedious, but now there is room for complacency. Then again I don't text either so I'm behind the tech curve. I've been seeing these organizers that you hang on the back of the copilots seat. Is that meant to be the office? Just wondering if we use knee boards to write on. Damn I miss flying!!!! I don't miss travel pay screwing you out of hard earned per diem or the 500 mission changes between preflight and takeoff. I do miss the camraderie and believe it or not I miss the long missions and staging. For Strat guys we didn't deploy, but we still managed to be gone 250 days a year minimum. For us it was a lot of waiting for rotation into the stage. Down range and then drinking prior to entering Bravo. I'm not sure how the deployed aircrew fights, but it would seem you'd have more steady mission frags with known destinations because your flying regular runs. We never knew if we were headed stateside or around the world. Once I went around the world and thought that was cool, but then did it again like three weeks later and wanted to get off the merry go round. I'm hoping that deployment is more regular.


Gotta love that E Told! But I am TOLD beast, still do in manually, havin fun here with a KC10 sims, working with these new pilots on air refueling procedures..crazy stuff, fueling a lot of the Freddies out of Dover and the C17's out of here..(if you don't have an FE on your plane it is junk BTW!!!!) Once you figure out how to manage your CG in the -10 with all the fuel we carry it is not a bad gig. I don't like this snow though, can't ever get used to that!!:)

brentusaf
11-21-2008, 02:39 PM
I finally submitted my package last Friday after all the crap with the physical and being outside my window from the lengthy process. I had to do an exception to policy to retrain outside my CAREERS window. I heard that AFPC's priority is currenly NCORP, so if thats true I may be waiting a while to get approved. Man I hope this goes through!

c5engineer
11-21-2008, 02:39 PM
C-17's divided the engineer duties between the copilot and loadmaster. Now I hear 17 loads claiming they do my job. Not true, not even close. Let's see them handle indications of a double pylon fire right after takeoff out of KDOV at 790K with 300K of fuel on board, in the weather, with KDOV at mins going to an alternate and having to redo data, clean up checklists and make sure the pilots have done it all right. Switching hydraulics systems on, APU up and preparing for an alternate gear extension because you lost one of the hydraulic systems because the pylon actually was smoldering due to a hydraulic failure. I don't tell them how to load the plane, they don't need to pretend they can do my job.

CG when being A/R'd is critical. One night on the way to Afghanistan trying to get some hot cargo in, we were doing a triple A/R and on the third one I was dog tired. The boom reported a rise in pressure and I realized I had some pumps left on so I shut them off, but then got sidetracked thinking about all the crap that we'd be doing in two hours as the sun came up. Long story short my buddy in the left seat makes a comment about using a lot of aileron trim. I nod and say, "I hear ya". He then says, "No, really, I'm almost at full trim to keep her level." Now imagine he's doing that and we're still in trail taking gas. I realize that I had more going in one wing than the other. If he hadn't said anything we'd have rolled that night and made the front page. Exhaustion is a killer. We routinely did 24 hour days even before OEF/OIF. I know that it hasn't slacked off as my buddies are all flying 2-3 week OIF missions.

I was watching Mega Plane the other night and I laughed so hard at the way the crew was behaving. If I was stan/eval I'd have Q3'd them for some dumb stuff, but how NG gets things so out of wack. They had a night refuel by a 135 and the narrator kept talking about how the tail engine was causing the 5 to ride the wave. Just by the alignment lighting on the belly and the boom setup I knew instantly it was a 135 and not a 10. Oh well. I'm just glad they did a 5 to show people what it's like. My wife freaked when she saw how close the two planes were during the refuel. Then she really tripped when I told her we make turns while connected. Good Times. Now I'm going low and slow and inserting myself where the action is. Keep working hard Big Baze!

kenton
11-21-2008, 06:41 PM
Have you asked if you can get a waiver to curtail your DEROS? My husband ran into problems because by the time the quota lists dropped(and finally ajusted to show FE as crit manned) in Aug he was out of his re-training window. He ran into all sorts of people who just simply told him "No", that he had passed all deadlines to re-train. We even got orders. He finally was able to get someone at AFPC to email him an example of an "exception to policy" letter, which he sent in with the Cheif of the Special Ops Sq's endorsement (he just happens to be an FE). He was approved with his status 5 about 2 weeks later. I would start asking around and see what you can come up with.

Yeah.. when I turned the package in AFPC told me I needed to wait. I emailed them back and told them that if I wait I will be out of my window. They emailed me back and told me, that wont be a problem just get an exception to policy. I have printed the email traffic from them... for later ammunition if needed, but maybe it is a good Idea to get a shell of one from them as well.... I have also looked into the DEROS curtailment, but they could only curtail it 2 months from the wing level. Any more than that takes higher approval. Since 2 months would put me in September which is FY09, I will have to look into that more.. Since you do own a house in the UK, you could also try to get a DRO (dependents remaining overseas). You have to come up with a pretty good reason, but if you wanted to stay over in the UK while he trains, they might allow it... Just thowing that out there in case you havent heard about it.

HC130P_FE
11-21-2008, 10:33 PM
C5eng you still in school at the rock? The systems aren't hard to figure out. But when you start getting in the td, sync, or the valve housing it get more complicated. But if you just starting out don't need to get that indepth. But just wait till you see your first over torque. It's pretty impressive and you just wanna kill a pilot. Are they doing threat pen at the rock now? Also are they letting you guys fly at 300A during th day yet? when i was there we could only do 500.

kenton
11-21-2008, 10:39 PM
I finally submitted my package last Friday after all the crap with the physical and being outside my window from the lengthy process. I had to do an exception to policy to retrain outside my CAREERS window. I heard that AFPC's priority is currenly NCORP, so if thats true I may be waiting a while to get approved. Man I hope this goes through!

Third week of every month for FTA. If you get the job you want they will load it in VMPF around the beginning of the month. Dont let them fool you with the NCORP is priority BS.

c5engineer
11-23-2008, 01:58 PM
C5eng you still in school at the rock? The systems aren't hard to figure out. But when you start getting in the td, sync, or the valve housing it get more complicated. But if you just starting out don't need to get that indepth. But just wait till you see your first over torque. It's pretty impressive and you just wanna kill a pilot. Are they doing threat pen at the rock now? Also are they letting you guys fly at 300A during th day yet? when i was there we could only do 500.

I'm not at the schoolhouse yet. Waiting on a slot. What's threat pen?

HC130P_FE
11-23-2008, 03:02 PM
it's the best thing in the world when you fly low enough to read license plates or address from peoples houses. it's well below the standard 500 A that people are use to flying.

BigBaze
11-23-2008, 03:08 PM
it's the best thing in the world when you fly low enough to read license plates or address from peoples houses. it's well below the standard 500 A that people are use to flying.


Yeah that is a part I am going to miss:) I put in for MC130P as my #2 but I didn't get a slot. I always liked seeing the commercials with the guys sitting on the ramp. I went through SERE with a HC130 pilot from NY Guard and he said he might be able to get me on a training mission so we'll see.

Gucci Boy
11-26-2008, 05:42 PM
Hey everybody,
I have just received my flight physical paperwork, clearing me for retraining into FE...yippee! I am currently a Guidance & Control Craftsman on the KC-10, and was curious as to what the chances are of coming back to the KC-10 if I desired to? Thanks in advance for any replies!

srawk48
11-26-2008, 08:06 PM
hey.. im back. yes i come and go randomly.. sorry i am not around more often.. for everything that i missed.

CONGRATULATIONS for those who got accepted to become a flight engineer and for those that are just submitting your paperwork GOOD LUCK.

I am almost out of here and i'm super excited!!

two more weeks until im done BFE and off to survival school! I cannot wait.. i got my number one choice (well actually my entire class got their number one choice of planes) so we are all stoked!

Anyway if anyone needs anything let me know and i will try to hop on here more often!!

:)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!

srawk48
11-26-2008, 08:11 PM
Hey everybody,
I have just received my flight physical paperwork, clearing me for retraining into FE...yippee! I am currently a Guidance & Control Craftsman on the KC-10, and was curious as to what the chances are of coming back to the KC-10 if I desired to? Thanks in advance for any replies!

hmm i would like to tell you that your chances are really good at going back to mcguire but that would be a lie. I talked to MSGT DOSS (our functional manager for fe's and gunners - the guy that gives us orders) and he told me that its really up to the training that he has allotted.
for example i am from mcguire, my first choice was mcguire and i am going back to mcguire, but there is a guy who is a class behind me and he is stationed at mcguire right now, his first choice was mcguire but he got dyess which was like number 11 on his list.

So there really aren't any guarentees on getting where you want to go.. my class all got their number one pick but the class behind me all got like thier 11th choice.

How long have you been there and you may be able to talk to Msgt Doss.. he came and talked to our class so i had a pretty good picture of what was going to happen and i had people pulling strings for me.

if you want it bad enough i woul d talk to someone who is the head of one of the flying squadrons at mcguire and see what kind of connections/strings you can pull in advance. Im not sure if that helped me out at all but i talked to everyone i could and i got just what i want.

Hope my rambling helps :)

HC130P_FE
11-26-2008, 11:39 PM
Let me be the first to tell you that you should not believe anything that Sgt Doss has to say. He does not care about you or anyone else but himself. I personally watched him screw 5 of our engineers. That has only been in the past 18 months. So best of luck with all you do. But you can't trust your career to anyone else but yourself. Fight for what you want. But he loves to screw the C-130 guys. Or anyone from a C-130 base.

wingman0330
11-29-2008, 08:24 PM
Does anyone know what the per deim is here at lackland if you're staying at the gateway inn? I thought it was around $30 a day but a guy in my class called his finance office and they told him it was $12 a day. I hope i'm right otherwise no more riverwalk for me.

BigBaze
11-29-2008, 08:43 PM
Does anyone know what the per deim is here at lackland if you're staying at the gateway inn? I thought it was around $30 a day but a guy in my class called his finance office and they told him it was $12 a day. I hope i'm right otherwise no more riverwalk for me.


yeah it is about $12 a day:( They give you that because there is a chow hall right beside it. I sure didn't make any money off that TDY lol

Fissie
11-30-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm not sure if you were saying this in response to my post or not but as far as I know the intructor upgrade is only for the uh-1n because the intructors are out there teaching them how to fly the huey...or be an FE on the Huey. I'm sure you'll be deployed being on a hh-60

My Husband just got HH-60's. He's been working with the HH-60 FE's over at Lakenheath even though we aren't set to PCS from Mildenhall until April '09. They've said that it will be at least 2 years before he is deployable. After that they told him to expect at least one 4-6month each year along with the usual occasional TDYs.

So, coming from the maintenance world, doesn't look like that will be much of a change for him. I'm just glad he'll be going to work each day to do something that gives him some purpose. Sure, he'll probably run into his share of Air Force BS in this career field, but at least he wont be turnin' a wrench for the rest of his career!

wingman0330
12-01-2008, 10:45 PM
yeah it is about $12 a day:( They give you that because there is a chow hall right beside it. I sure didn't make any money off that TDY lol

That burst my bubble a little bit. LOL oh well there's plenty of money on the other side. Time study for my blk 1 test in fundies

BigBaze
12-01-2008, 11:26 PM
That burst my bubble a little bit. LOL oh well there's plenty of money on the other side. Time study for my blk 1 test in fundies


Just got out sim mission #5 with #6 tomorrow. Dual hydraulic failure is something else:)! Just getting into the air refueling portion, kinda fun.

AfricanSnowOwl
12-02-2008, 04:04 AM
Damn had to sort through all the damn spam posts to find this thread again:) My orders originally said 305 OG/OSS and then I got called by the 2nd ARS (you will be going to the 2nd ARS or 32nd ARS) by my sponsor, shoot me a private email and give me your info and I will check on things

So I finally found out today that I'll be going to the 2nd ARS. Seems the only people that knew this were the FTU, so it took awhile. Anyways, I guess I might see you around next month.

BigBaze
12-02-2008, 12:48 PM
So I finally found out today that I'll be going to the 2nd ARS. Seems the only people that knew this were the FTU, so it took awhile. Anyways, I guess I might see you around next month.


Awesome! Noone seemed to know up here and I asked about the FlightSafety class dates and they didn't seem to know about that, but they said the next class should start around March. That will be good for you if it does because it gives you time to get settled in, your pubs built and all. I will send you a message, and get you your patches etc.

Gucci Boy
12-02-2008, 02:39 PM
hmm i would like to tell you that your chances are really good at going back to mcguire but that would be a lie. I talked to MSGT DOSS (our functional manager for fe's and gunners - the guy that gives us orders) and he told me that its really up to the training that he has allotted.
for example i am from mcguire, my first choice was mcguire and i am going back to mcguire, but there is a guy who is a class behind me and he is stationed at mcguire right now, his first choice was mcguire but he got dyess which was like number 11 on his list.

So there really aren't any guarentees on getting where you want to go.. my class all got their number one pick but the class behind me all got like thier 11th choice.

How long have you been there and you may be able to talk to Msgt Doss.. he came and talked to our class so i had a pretty good picture of what was going to happen and i had people pulling strings for me.

if you want it bad enough i woul d talk to someone who is the head of one of the flying squadrons at mcguire and see what kind of connections/strings you can pull in advance. Im not sure if that helped me out at all but i talked to everyone i could and i got just what i want.

Hope my rambling helps :)


Thanks for the response srawk48! I am actually stationed at Travis AFB, CA. I have been in contact with the Chief FE of one of the flying squadrons, above my old squadron. Currently I am an AETC FTD instructor assigned across the street from my old squadron, so I am hoping that my experience and expertise on the KC-10 will help me out. I have been here since the beginning of my career...Alcatravis!!! While Travis is on the top of my list, my wife and I would be alright going other places as well however I saw that Nellis AFB is only open to SMSgt's...is that correct??? That's where my wife really wanted to go. Does anybody know what being stationed at Edwards AFB would be like? It is really close to my wifes family, which would come in handy when I am off globe hopping.

Pearlrec
12-02-2008, 03:16 PM
Hello all, finally got through reading all 60 pages...Thanks to BigBaze for the start-up and to all that have followed! This has been very vital reading to me for I have just been accepted to retrain as an FE. I am overseas in the UK with a DEROS of JUL and I have my fundies class starting the 18th of Sept 2009. (way too long of a wait, but the prize is in site now!) That is the only class AFPC has loaded for me so far. I'm sure they are waiting for me to re-enlist to obtain the retainability for an assignment. What AFPC is telling me, it won't be until 120 days prior to my DEROS before I get the orders??? Who knows...

I noticed that one of you on the forum is from the UK as well and are going to Nellis on the 60, and have a DEROS next year as well, but managed to obtain orders already...let me know the secret, I'm dying to know where I am going. I have played some golf with one of the FE's on the 60's at RAFL, but can't remember his name.

As far as Edwards go, I was stationed there for a while if you want any info...just ask.

I'm sure I will have more questions soon, thanks to all and I hope I can be of some help as well.
Does anyone else have a class date 18-Sept-2009 for the Aircrew Fundies?

BigBaze
12-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Thanks for the response srawk48! I am actually stationed at Travis AFB, CA. I have been in contact with the Chief FE of one of the flying squadrons, above my old squadron. Currently I am an AETC FTD instructor assigned across the street from my old squadron, so I am hoping that my experience and expertise on the KC-10 will help me out. I have been here since the beginning of my career...Alcatravis!!! While Travis is on the top of my list, my wife and I would be alright going other places as well however I saw that Nellis AFB is only open to SMSgt's...is that correct??? That's where my wife really wanted to go. Does anybody know what being stationed at Edwards AFB would be like? It is really close to my wifes family, which would come in handy when I am off globe hopping.

I am enjoying the Kc10 up here at McGuire. There is a really good chance you are going back to Travis after BFE. One of my buddies from BFE was a KC10 flying crew chief from Travis and they sent him back there on C5's so you never know.

Gucci Boy
12-02-2008, 09:21 PM
I am enjoying the Kc10 up here at McGuire. There is a really good chance you are going back to Travis after BFE. One of my buddies from BFE was a KC10 flying crew chief from Travis and they sent him back there on C5's so you never know.

Thanks for the info BigBaze! I would be happy going to either the 10 or the 5. From reading alot of the posts in this thread, it seems that individuals seem to go back to where they came from if they were turning wrenches on a FE manned aircraft there.

What is your friends name who was the FCC here at Travis? I probably know him.

Fissie
12-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Hello all, finally got through reading all 60 pages...Thanks to BigBaze for the start-up and to all that have followed! This has been very vital reading to me for I have just been accepted to retrain as an FE. I am overseas in the UK with a DEROS of JUL and I have my fundies class starting the 18th of Sept 2009. (way too long of a wait, but the prize is in site now!) That is the only class AFPC has loaded for me so far. I'm sure they are waiting for me to re-enlist to obtain the retainability for an assignment. What AFPC is telling me, it won't be until 120 days prior to my DEROS before I get the orders??? Who knows...

I noticed that one of you on the forum is from the UK as well and are going to Nellis on the 60, and have a DEROS next year as well, but managed to obtain orders already...let me know the secret, I'm dying to know where I am going. I have played some golf with one of the FE's on the 60's at RAFL, but can't remember his name.

As far as Edwards go, I was stationed there for a while if you want any info...just ask.

I'm sure I will have more questions soon, thanks to all and I hope I can be of some help as well.
Does anyone else have a class date 18-Sept-2009 for the Aircrew Fundies?

We got our orders about 5 months out, so a little sooner than the 120 days. We had orders to Aviano..sigh...but Nellis was our first choice for statside bases, so we're happy. We'll have family close. Fill your dream sheet out carfully. From what the Cheif advised, us O/S guys usually get one of our top picks, with the exception of no O/S for the first assignment. We just put all HH-60 bases down, and that's what we got. It also helps to make a few calls or get to know the right guys that can pull strings. We'd be getting ready to PCS to Aviano if my husband hadn't pushed and pushed to make things happen. Do you know what airframe you want to be on or do you have more of a base preference? Honestly, and my husband would kill me for saying this, he was plain lucky. He wanted to fly on HH-60's, they were just down the road at Lakenheath. I knew a few FE's wives from where I work......so we made it happen. Between hooking up w/ those guys and making friends w/ some of the guys in Spec Ops over on Mildenhall he created all the connections he needed. We are very thankful for the outpouring of help that he recieved....and now he's going where he wants, and doing what he wants.
I would get your retainability ASAP. The guy that was trying to help us get on HH-60's was pushing for my husband to get his retainability so that he could talk to the assignment guys. He also said that there were certain classes that couldnt be scheduled until he obtained the 48mos of retainability. I think he has 4 scheduled now, not the main one at Kirkland yet, but most of the others.
Good luck to you! Are you planning on getting your last round of travels in before you leave here??? We have a trip planned every month. It's Germany for Christmas in Dec. for us, I cant wait! You haven't been to Edelweiss have you? We're going to drive...yes, I'm a bit nervous....but I think we'll be OK. Haa!

Pearlrec
12-03-2008, 06:36 AM
We got our orders about 5 months out, so a little sooner than the 120 days. We had orders to Aviano..sigh...but Nellis was our first choice for statside bases, so we're happy. We'll have family close. Fill your dream sheet out carfully. From what the Cheif advised, us O/S guys usually get one of our top picks, with the exception of no O/S for the first assignment. We just put all HH-60 bases down, and that's what we got. It also helps to make a few calls or get to know the right guys that can pull strings. We'd be getting ready to PCS to Aviano if my husband hadn't pushed and pushed to make things happen. Do you know what airframe you want to be on or do you have more of a base preference? Honestly, and my husband would kill me for saying this, he was plain lucky. He wanted to fly on HH-60's, they were just down the road at Lakenheath. I knew a few FE's wives from where I work......so we made it happen. Between hooking up w/ those guys and making friends w/ some of the guys in Spec Ops over on Mildenhall he created all the connections he needed. We are very thankful for the outpouring of help that he recieved....and now he's going where he wants, and doing what he wants.
I would get your retainability ASAP. The guy that was trying to help us get on HH-60's was pushing for my husband to get his retainability so that he could talk to the assignment guys. He also said that there were certain classes that couldnt be scheduled until he obtained the 48mos of retainability. I think he has 4 scheduled now, not the main one at Kirkland yet, but most of the others.
Good luck to you! Are you planning on getting your last round of travels in before you leave here??? We have a trip planned every month. It's Germany for Christmas in Dec. for us, I cant wait! You haven't been to Edelweiss have you? We're going to drive...yes, I'm a bit nervous....but I think we'll be OK. Haa!

That's funny, we were trying to go to Edelweiss for x-mas as well but they were all booked up, so we are going Jan 3rd for a week. Can't wait.

Thank you for the info, if you wouldn't mind...could you maybe help me out with a contact over there on the 60's. I have D-M down as my second choice and would like to go over to RAFL and check out the airframe and talk with an FE. You can email me direct at work if you wish. Thanks a million! :D

NinjaVanisher
12-05-2008, 12:53 AM
Hello everyone. I've been keeping up with this thread for a little while now, and I'm so glad that I found it! I'm a F-16 Crew Chief lookin to try and get into the FE world. I've heard nothing but good things! The only thing that sucks is that I'm overseas and my DEROS is Dec 09, and now I have to wait for the 2010 listings. I pray to god that there are still openings for FE when the list finally arrives! I am sooo burned out from the MX world, as I'm sure many of you can understand. Thanks to everyone for the vast amount of knowledge I've been able to obtain here!

BigBaze
12-05-2008, 02:27 AM
Hello everyone. I've been keeping up with this thread for a little while now, and I'm so glad that I found it! I'm a F-16 Crew Chief lookin to try and get into the FE world. I've heard nothing but good things! The only thing that sucks is that I'm overseas and my DEROS is Dec 09, and now I have to wait for the 2010 listings. I pray to god that there are still openings for FE when the list finally arrives! I am sooo burned out from the MX world, as I'm sure many of you can understand. Thanks to everyone for the vast amount of knowledge I've been able to obtain here!


Welcome to the thread. There are always slots open each year, and being from MX gives you a very good shot at getting one. Former MX here and I love my new job!

HC130P_FE
12-05-2008, 03:24 AM
hey how's it going? I xtrained from overseas. You must read all the AFI's to understand where you fall. I do not remember all of the by heart. I gave up after i was accepted. As much as everyone tells you it's a dead end you'll get at lest 20 years from this year froward. I'lll see my plane phased out arround 2015. I'll be some where else by then. They don't need a drunk rescue fe for much longer. Oh wait most of the pilots are the same. I actually hate to say our mission as FE's on C-130 will not be for gotten. They might actually make a place on the "j" for us. I'd have the see a pilot and copilot with an ESS or MAIN AC bus off light. They would be assholes and elbows. The reason i say this is because i just had both in the sim with the prop over speed and numberous other mals........... i was way past task saturated hate to see a 2 man crew. best of luck.

Gunner7
12-05-2008, 03:38 PM
Hello everyone. I've been keeping up with this thread for a little while now, and I'm so glad that I found it! I'm a F-16 Crew Chief lookin to try and get into the FE world. I've heard nothing but good things! The only thing that sucks is that I'm overseas and my DEROS is Dec 09, and now I have to wait for the 2010 listings. I pray to god that there are still openings for FE when the list finally arrives! I am sooo burned out from the MX world, as I'm sure many of you can understand. Thanks to everyone for the vast amount of knowledge I've been able to obtain here!


The AF will be looking for about 200 Flight Engineers in FY 10. All of them will be retrainees. If you are in the 2AXXX or 2MOXX career fields...congratulations, you have the required feeder AFSCs. If not, a Private pilot or A&P cert from the FAA will do. For all others don't give up, submit the request to retrain with a comment stating you are seeking a waiver of the feeder AFSC requirements. If you look at the total number of retrain out numbers in any FY there are not enough feeders to fill the required class seats so a waiver is likely. The First Term Airmen numbers will hit the retraining advisory in Feb-March timeframe and the NCORP drops in the first week of August. The cryptic nature of the retraining application in the vMPF and the codes from the retraining advisory are challenging to navigate but not impossible. If in doubt ask the local Career Assitance Advisor to give you the contact information for the two In-Service recruiters for the flying program. You will also need to have a General score of 57 on the ASVAB and pass the Class III flight physical. Do not let anyone other than an MD tell you if you are physically qualified to retrain and if they say no, ask if a waiver is an option. Good luck in your quest to fly and fight.

icetrey
12-06-2008, 06:13 PM
Just finished up my first school, water survival down at Pensacola. A whole lot of fun, and would have been more fun it it was Summer..but that's ok:) Good luck to everyone out there, heading to Fundies at the end of Jan...it can't get here soon enough!

I do have one question though. I have the equipment list for the SERE stuff, however how about for your airframe class? I know I'm leaning way ahead, but I also know I don't want to suprise my CC when I ask for a headset and stuff. I heard it's all around $4,500. Any help anyone can provide would be appreciated.

BigBaze
12-06-2008, 06:58 PM
Just finished up my first school, water survival down at Pensacola. A whole lot of fun, and would have been more fun it it was Summer..but that's ok:) Good luck to everyone out there, heading to Fundies at the end of Jan...it can't get here soon enough!

I do have one question though. I have the equipment list for the SERE stuff, however how about for your airframe class? I know I'm leaning way ahead, but I also know I don't want to suprise my CC when I ask for a headset and stuff. I heard it's all around $4,500. Any help anyone can provide would be appreciated.


are you looking for the list of equipment for the airframe school? Have you found out what you are going to be on yet?

NinjaVanisher
12-08-2008, 01:35 AM
Can anyone out there help me out with sending me a sample ETP letter? I'd appreciate one that is for submitting retraining outside of the retraining window. I have to wait until March timeframe for the listings to come out for FY 10, and March happens to be my last month I can apply, so hopefully the list doesn't drop at the end of the month. I just want to be prepared in case I actually have to submit the letter. Plus I'm supposed to be deployed before then, so I'm sure that'll make things fun.

TheMrs
12-08-2008, 03:31 AM
Can anyone out there help me out with sending me a sample ETP letter? I'd appreciate one that is for submitting retraining outside of the retraining window. I have to wait until March timeframe for the listings to come out for FY 10, and March happens to be my last month I can apply, so hopefully the list doesn't drop at the end of the month. I just want to be prepared in case I actually have to submit the letter. Plus I'm supposed to be deployed before then, so I'm sure that'll make things fun.

My husband said he'll look to see if he still have a copy of his. If so I'll let ya know...:cool:

Gunner7
12-08-2008, 11:58 AM
ETP examples are located in the documents folder at this site. You will need to be logged in to open.
https://afkm.wpafb.af.mil/asps/cop/opencop.asp?filter=oo-dp-so-02
Take care

icetrey
12-08-2008, 02:13 PM
"are you looking for the list of equipment for the airframe school? Have you found out what you are going to be on yet?"

Yes, I'm looking for the airframe schools, however I havn't recieved my assignment and airframe yet. I won't know that before mid-March probably, but I just wanted an idea of what my unit will be footing the bill for.

BigBaze
12-08-2008, 04:43 PM
C-17's divided the engineer duties between the copilot and loadmaster. Now I hear 17 loads claiming they do my job. Not true, not even close. Let's see them handle indications of a double pylon fire right after takeoff out of KDOV at 790K with 300K of fuel on board, in the weather, with KDOV at mins going to an alternate and having to redo data, clean up checklists and make sure the pilots have done it all right. Switching hydraulics systems on, APU up and preparing for an alternate gear extension because you lost one of the hydraulic systems because the pylon actually was smoldering due to a hydraulic failure. I don't tell them how to load the plane, they don't need to pretend they can do my job.

CG when being A/R'd is critical. One night on the way to Afghanistan trying to get some hot cargo in, we were doing a triple A/R and on the third one I was dog tired. The boom reported a rise in pressure and I realized I had some pumps left on so I shut them off, but then got sidetracked thinking about all the crap that we'd be doing in two hours as the sun came up. Long story short my buddy in the left seat makes a comment about using a lot of aileron trim. I nod and say, "I hear ya". He then says, "No, really, I'm almost at full trim to keep her level." Now imagine he's doing that and we're still in trail taking gas. I realize that I had more going in one wing than the other. If he hadn't said anything we'd have rolled that night and made the front page. Exhaustion is a killer. We routinely did 24 hour days even before OEF/OIF. I know that it hasn't slacked off as my buddies are all flying 2-3 week OIF missions.

I was watching Mega Plane the other night and I laughed so hard at the way the crew was behaving. If I was stan/eval I'd have Q3'd them for some dumb stuff, but how NG gets things so out of wack. They had a night refuel by a 135 and the narrator kept talking about how the tail engine was causing the 5 to ride the wave. Just by the alignment lighting on the belly and the boom setup I knew instantly it was a 135 and not a 10. Oh well. I'm just glad they did a 5 to show people what it's like. My wife freaked when she saw how close the two planes were during the refuel. Then she really tripped when I told her we make turns while connected. Good Times. Now I'm going low and slow and inserting myself where the action is. Keep working hard Big Baze!


Thanks! Doing well here. I actually saw a movie on the Sci Fi Channel the other night where terrorists crawled down the boom of a KC10 into a C5 and hijacked it...no shit, I forget what the movie was called.

BigBaze
12-08-2008, 04:46 PM
Hey everybody,
I have just received my flight physical paperwork, clearing me for retraining into FE...yippee! I am currently a Guidance & Control Craftsman on the KC-10, and was curious as to what the chances are of coming back to the KC-10 if I desired to? Thanks in advance for any replies!


Are you up at Travis or McGuire? I am at McGuire already. If you are at either of those bases you can pretty much count on going back to that same base, although if you are at Travis there is a chance you go to C5's if they need more FE's. The best you can do is put the -10 at the top of your list, and hop for the best!

BigBaze
12-08-2008, 04:49 PM
https://etca.randolph.af.mil and you have to access it from a work computer I think. It gives you the course syllabus and required gear. Just click on I think AETC and find the C130 FE Initial qualification school. You can find the outlines for pretty much any airframe school as well as BFE/EAUC and SERE


Here you go Icetrey hope this helps. This website shows all the flight schools for each airframe and the required equipment.

NinjaVanisher
12-08-2008, 10:13 PM
Two questions for anyone that can help give me a little insight:
1. Once I submit the Request for Retraining, about how long does it take for the response about being qualified for the jobs I listed?
2. Can I get my flight physical started to get ahead, or do I have to wait for that response from AFPC?

brentusaf
12-08-2008, 10:32 PM
It took AFPC about 2 weeks to respond back telling me I was qualified. As for the second question I'm not sure because I didn't get the physical started until I got approved to retrain. I didn't try w/o approval.

brentusaf
12-08-2008, 10:34 PM
I'm waiting to hear back on the board results. I was told by AFPC that I sure find out it I got the job around the 3rd week. I looked at the retraining advisory and saw that 7 FTA slots were selected. Hopefully I'm one of them

BigBaze
12-08-2008, 11:03 PM
Two questions for anyone that can help give me a little insight:
1. Once I submit the Request for Retraining, about how long does it take for the response about being qualified for the jobs I listed?
2. Can I get my flight physical started to get ahead, or do I have to wait for that response from AFPC?


Go ahead and get the medical started, it takes awhile

brentusaf
12-09-2008, 05:01 PM
Just got the status 5 today, man I'm so excited!

c5engineer
12-09-2008, 05:50 PM
Hey all, hope things are going well for you. I was wondering if anyone has an electronic copy of 51-9 the performance book for BFE. I used to teach the stuff, but I want to refresh myself on some things that the manual is actually good for like theory of TOLD comps. I'm a 5 guy going to a 130 and they have issues with guys like me who came out of Altus 15 years ago. On another note: after reading this forum I am convinced that the assignment process for cross trainers is light years better than it was when I was a first termer cross training from maintenance to FE. If you are having a bad experience try being a reservist who had a physical done by active duty. The flt med at Wright Pat is the worst ever. I just received my physical today after 3.5 months. Don't be afraid to call assignments, or the clinic or whomever. Hell I'd even call down to Lackland if I had BFE questions. If they post the number somewhere they're open to a freindly query from the customer. That is the only way I got my physical.
I hope your enjoying your training Baze. I can't wait to hit the ground running next year. BTW, I read a discussion about comfortable flight suits and they are easier than BDUs, but man they are the ultimate in engineered torture devices. When it's hot out they don't breath and your cooking in your own juices (especially in the desert FDU) and when it's cold out they breath great giving you hypothermia. On a positive note: the new leather jackets are awesome!! I just got mine replaced after 13 years and I can finally raise my arms without looking like a little kid with a coat that's too small!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck to all!

BigBaze
12-10-2008, 03:57 AM
Hey all, hope things are going well for you. I was wondering if anyone has an electronic copy of 51-9 the performance book for BFE. I used to teach the stuff, but I want to refresh myself on some things that the manual is actually good for like theory of TOLD comps. I'm a 5 guy going to a 130 and they have issues with guys like me who came out of Altus 15 years ago. On another note: after reading this forum I am convinced that the assignment process for cross trainers is light years better than it was when I was a first termer cross training from maintenance to FE. If you are having a bad experience try being a reservist who had a physical done by active duty. The flt med at Wright Pat is the worst ever. I just received my physical today after 3.5 months. Don't be afraid to call assignments, or the clinic or whomever. Hell I'd even call down to Lackland if I had BFE questions. If they post the number somewhere they're open to a freindly query from the customer. That is the only way I got my physical.
I hope your enjoying your training Baze. I can't wait to hit the ground running next year. BTW, I read a discussion about comfortable flight suits and they are easier than BDUs, but man they are the ultimate in engineered torture devices. When it's hot out they don't breath and your cooking in your own juices (especially in the desert FDU) and when it's cold out they breath great giving you hypothermia. On a positive note: the new leather jackets are awesome!! I just got mine replaced after 13 years and I can finally raise my arms without looking like a little kid with a coat that's too small!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck to all!


Oh today was the fun stuff in the sim: dual hydraulic failure, engine fire and severe damage after V1, failing a second engine on final, loss of all generators and then a bus full of nuns on the runway...all in a days work:>

Spunjah413
12-10-2008, 02:03 PM
Just got the status 5 today, man I'm so excited!

Hey Brent, i just got status 5 This past Friday! I'll probably see you in BFE. Im currently an f-15 Crew Chief ststaioned on Eglin AFB, FL.

Quick question for you Married FE's. How is marriage life with such a high OPS temp and deployments? Also is it feasible to bring my Wife to BFE with me?

c5engineer
12-10-2008, 02:43 PM
In my 15 year career as an FE with numerous deployments I can tell you it's hard on the spouse. I have been married three times in my entire military career (over 20 years now). My first wife agreed to the cross-training and then didn't like the TDY time so she found someone else while I was hopping back and forth from the sandbox. My second wife knew what I did and thought it was great until she got jealous that I was circling the globe without her so she took a hike. The silver lining for me was I found the right woman and we're a well oiled machine. She's got FE ability herself. She'd have no problem walking the dog, going to work, fixing the plumbing (or getting a plumber) and doing it all at the same time while remaining faithful. So I conduct ops and don't worry about the homefront.

It's different for all of us. I am not an isolated case of several divorces in the aircrew world. The deployments are tough. If you go in the desert for four months and come home that doesn't mean you'll be home. There are other missions to fly and other TDY's to do. The question you and your spouse have to answer is: how long can we go without sustained contact? I had a lot of hit and runs over the years. I'd come back from a three week trip, do laundry, travel voucher and repack because it was time to go somewhere else. To be fair I was an instructor and it seemed we always had students. Do you have kids? It really is tough even on the best marriages, but it is done by a lot of people.

I'm not meaning to be critical, but if your asking whether you can bring your wife to BFE, well that's fine, but is it because you want to enjoy the river walk or because you don't want to be separated from her. Good luck to you in your career and don't listen to anyone who gives you advice on how to maintain your marriage. Go with what you know about your spouse and work your ass off when your at home with downtime. Walking the dog, taking the kids so my wife could get out for extended periods and having a date night every week seems to have helped my wife a lot, but every marriage is different.

brentusaf
12-10-2008, 03:16 PM
Hey Brent, i just got status 5 This past Friday! I'll probably see you in BFE. Im currently an f-15 Crew Chief ststaioned on Eglin AFB, FL.

Quick question for you Married FE's. How is marriage life with such a high OPS temp and deployments? Also is it feasible to bring my Wife to BFE with me?

Hell yeah dude we might be. I'm an AGE troop stationed at Langley AFB. I'm ready to get the ball rolling.

wingman0330
12-10-2008, 05:00 PM
Hey Brent, i just got status 5 This past Friday! I'll probably see you in BFE. Im currently an f-15 Crew Chief ststaioned on Eglin AFB, FL.

Quick question for you Married FE's. How is marriage life with such a high OPS temp and deployments? Also is it feasible to bring my Wife to BFE with me?

congrats on getting you're status 5 i remember when I got mine it was an awsome feeling. As far as bringing you're wife down to BFE as long as it wasn't for an extended time go for it. I grad fundies on thurs and start BFE on fri and its hard enough without any distractions. Just be ready to study and when you get tired of studying study some more.

brentusaf
12-10-2008, 06:22 PM
I just got status 6 today and I start fundies on May 1. All my schools are back to back which is good. Any information I can get bigbaze before I attend would be great.

Spunjah413
12-10-2008, 07:14 PM
Got status 6 today also! Woo! Brent we have the same class date, ill see you there (May 1)! I also have Water Survival on 31Mar-2Apr. Luckily Pensacola is only 45min away from me.

BigBaze
12-10-2008, 07:14 PM
I just got status 6 today and I start fundies on May 1. All my schools are back to back which is good. Any information I can get bigbaze before I attend would be great.


Just go ready to learn and take in a ton of info. The instructors are great though, so you'll do fine. Whenever you get tired of studying just think back to what it took to get you this far and how much you didn't like your old job:> San Antonio is a great time though. Best advice I can give you for the school is:

1. Be ready to study
2. Group study
3. Have your blues and service dress in order
4. Drive there if you can!

Everything else you will get there!

Godd luck Brent

brentusaf
12-10-2008, 07:40 PM
Got status 6 today also! Woo! Brent we have the same class date, ill see you there (May 1)! I also have Water Survival on 31Mar-2Apr. Luckily Pensacola is only 45min away from me.

Sweet dude! My water survival is Aug 4th. My hometown is Navarre, Fl so I'll be right at home when I show up. I'm glad all my survival training is in the summer and not the winter.

brentusaf
12-10-2008, 07:42 PM
Just go ready to learn and take in a ton of info. The instructors are great though, so you'll do fine. Whenever you get tired of studying just think back to what it took to get you this far and how much you didn't like your old job:> San Antonio is a great time though. Best advice I can give you for the school is:

1. Be ready to study
2. Group study
3. Have your blues and service dress in order
4. Drive there if you can!

Everything else you will get there!

Godd luck Brent

Thanks for the advice. I will study, study, and study more......AGE will always be in the back of my mind and how much I hate it! You have to wear blues in school?

BigBaze
12-10-2008, 08:17 PM
Thanks for the advice. I will study, study, and study more......AGE will always be in the back of my mind and how much I hate it! You have to wear blues in school?


Yep you have to show up the first Friday in blues , and I am pretty sure you would wear them on Mondays too, it's AETC:>! And you wear service dress for graduation.

brentusaf
12-10-2008, 09:08 PM
Did anyone attend SERE training right after BFE? I'm asking because I intend to drive to Lackland and I'm wondering if anyone made the drive from Lackland to fairchild or if they flew.

VidMXGuy
12-10-2008, 11:27 PM
Wow, this post has over 60 pages. I have read a few things here for quite awhile now, but just now I decided to register and finally talk. I just got my Status 6 today, and I am totally stoked. My class dates and the order of my classes is a bit different from what most of you appear to have done/ be doing. I complete my Water Survival Training 3 weeks to even beginning the Aircrew Fundamentals-FE course. Then most of the other courses have small gaps between them, if any.

So, some questions maybe you all could possibly help me out with.

I am currently stationed at Lackland.

What do you do during that Awaiting Further Instructions (AFI) time waiting for your class to start.

Will I PCS to my gaining base, then come back to Lackland for the training? Or will I just go TDY to Pensacola for Water Survival and come back and do details in the LAFB schoolhouse waiting for my class.

Most of you have said that you received your assignment while TDY to Lackland for training. How does that work? Do they send you TDY to Lackland for training, then back to your original base to PCS to your gaining unit?

Sorry, most of my questions probably don't make much sense, I guess my situation is a bit different from everybody elses, given I am not really leaving my base, just retraining and pretty much leaving Lackland training side and going to Medina for school. I read through the first 20 or so posts, and realized that probably nobody had the same situation as me.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

skyrat77
12-11-2008, 03:27 AM
Hello everyone!

I started the process to apply for re-training to Flight Engineer back in September 07 and finally, my application was uploaded for review on status 3 last week.
I am a 5 level KC-10 Crew Chief and my only concern of getting approved, is that my next 3EPRs are 5Bs but my fourth is a 2 EPR back when I got divorced in 2004.
My question is: Should I forget about making any of the three boards and just re-enlist in my current job before the nice bonuses are gone?
Or, do you think there is enough need for Flight Engineers and I might make one of the 3 review boards?
Thank you for your opinions and suggestions.

BigBaze
12-11-2008, 04:33 AM
Did anyone attend SERE training right after BFE? I'm asking because I intend to drive to Lackland and I'm wondering if anyone made the drive from Lackland to fairchild or if they flew.


I attended SERE right after BFE. I drive home to Florida and flew up to SERE. You can drive but the Air Force will pay for whatever is cheaper, so if a plane ticket costs them less they will let you drive but only pay for the amount of the plane ticket. Believe me once you are done with SERE you want to fly the hell home!

Spunjah413
12-11-2008, 11:53 AM
Question:

After you are done with all your training BFE+sere+water survival etc, you head to your home station and wait for a slot to open for the base you are going to? or the base that trains you on your particular airframe? Also is that a PCS, or just antother TDY? Just curious since im married, and i would like to make sure my wife is set.

BigBaze
12-11-2008, 02:55 PM
Question:

After you are done with all your training BFE+sere+water survival etc, you head to your home station and wait for a slot to open for the base you are going to? or the base that trains you on your particular airframe? Also is that a PCS, or just antother TDY? Just curious since im married, and i would like to make sure my wife is set.


It all depends on if you are coming from overseas or not; two scenarios:

My Case: If you are at a CONUS base already:

-after BFE and SERE/water survival you go back to your base and await a date for the applicable airframe flight school. if you get KC10's you will be going to Travis or McGuire which are the only two places with active duty Kc10's and they conduct their training at those bases so they will PCS you there for that. I do believe it is the same for E8 JSTARS at Robins. If you get C130's/C5 you will be going on another long TDY to the applicable schoolhouse. One of my friends is till waiting on a C5 class date for April at Kelly, and when he goes it will be a year since he graduated BFE. You will most likely be waiting at your last base doing your old job until you go to flight school.

If you are coming from an overseas base

I am not too sure about this because it wasn't what I did so you others guys feel free to fill in. From what I have seen you know what base you are going to be at before BFE, so they PCS you and your family there first, then send you through BFE and all.

Spunjah413
12-11-2008, 04:01 PM
Well im currently Conus at Eglin, FL. Why is it they only PCS you for Kc10's if the C130/C5 school is probably just as long? Im also in a weird predicament. My current base is closing down, and there is no way i can wait here for that long after BFE.

Another question. On the training rips that you get e-mailed and have to sign...certain blocks have like base bileting reservation #, billeting non availibility # and whatnot...did you have to fill all those out befor turning them in? Im not sure if i can call 5 months in advance to make sure i have a reservation #. And lastly who do i turn these rips in to? Retraining office @ MPF?

Measure Man
12-11-2008, 04:03 PM
Well im currently Conus at Eglin, FL. Why is it they only PCS you for Kc10's if the C130/C5 school is probably just as long? Im also in a weird predicament. My current base is closing down, and there is no way i can wait here for that long after BFE.

Another question. On the training rips that you get e-mailed and have to sign...certain blocks have like base bileting reservation #, billeting non availibility # and whatnot...did you have to fill all those out befor turning them in? Im not sure if i can call 5 months in advance to make sure i have a reservation #. And lastly who do i turn these rips in to? Retraining office @ MPF?

Eglin is closing?? !! what?!?

Spunjah413
12-11-2008, 04:11 PM
Eglin is closing?? !! what?!?

Haha no, just my section of the base. 33rd FW with the f-15's. They are going into transition for the F-35 program.

Pearlrec
12-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Well im currently Conus at Eglin, FL. Why is it they only PCS you for Kc10's if the C130/C5 school is probably just as long? Im also in a weird predicament. My current base is closing down, and there is no way i can wait here for that long after BFE.

Another question. On the training rips that you get e-mailed and have to sign...certain blocks have like base bileting reservation #, billeting non availibility # and whatnot...did you have to fill all those out befor turning them in? Im not sure if i can call 5 months in advance to make sure i have a reservation #. And lastly who do i turn these rips in to? Retraining office @ MPF?

I would talk with your training manager. I can't speak for stateside, but I am overseas and have been dealing with my training manager directly. I got the rip, signed it and gave it back to my training manager. I only have aircrew fundies coded so far until I reenlist which will be soon. Once I do, I will then get orders to the base I will fly at and so forth.
I'm not afpc but I would ask (either afpc or your training manager to talk with formal training) about getting PCS'd first that way your not in limbo with no squadron to go back to between schools. I could be wrong though. My first school isn't until Sept 09 and I haven't called to get reservations just because I am on cto leave back from deployment. Hope that helped.

Fissie
12-12-2008, 01:39 AM
Well im currently Conus at Eglin, FL. Why is it they only PCS you for Kc10's if the C130/C5 school is probably just as long? Im also in a weird predicament. My current base is closing down, and there is no way i can wait here for that long after BFE.

Another question. On the training rips that you get e-mailed and have to sign...certain blocks have like base bileting reservation #, billeting non availibility # and whatnot...did you have to fill all those out befor turning them in? Im not sure if i can call 5 months in advance to make sure i have a reservation #. And lastly who do i turn these rips in to? Retraining office @ MPF?


We're kind of in the same situation, but we're comming from O/S. We just found out my hubby's old job has gone all civillian at Nellis. So, because we're comming from O/S they automatically PCS us (which we have orders to PCS in April, and he has class dates in June). But if he has to wait around after BFE/ SERE/under water surival school for the airframe specific school to start , he doesnt really have a job to do there. Hmmmm......I'll let you know how it turns out.

BigBaze
12-12-2008, 02:12 AM
Well im currently Conus at Eglin, FL. Why is it they only PCS you for Kc10's if the C130/C5 school is probably just as long? Im also in a weird predicament. My current base is closing down, and there is no way i can wait here for that long after BFE.

Another question. On the training rips that you get e-mailed and have to sign...certain blocks have like base bileting reservation #, billeting non availibility # and whatnot...did you have to fill all those out befor turning them in? Im not sure if i can call 5 months in advance to make sure i have a reservation #. And lastly who do i turn these rips in to? Retraining office @ MPF?


The KC10 school is different because it is at the bases where they have the squadrons. Travis and McGuire) If you got C130's at Little Rock you would PCS there for the school because that is where you were going to be going to school AND be stationed. There is no way the Air Force is going to PCS you to a school for 6 months and then PCS you to your gaining base, that would cost them 2 TMO moves, which costs quite a lot. It is cheaper for them to TDY you for 6 months, even if it is less convenient for you. Your situation might be different. I was at Tyndall, are they already getting rid of the F15's there at the 33rd at Eglin?

Spunjah413
12-12-2008, 02:16 AM
Well i hope i end up on KC-10's. I don't want to end up on a 6 month TDY, haha. But yeah we have slowly let a few jets go every month here in the 33rd. Also most of the personell have been getting orders, with basically most of them gone by June/Julyish. There will still be a bit of people left here after that, but hardly enough to call it an active squadron.

BigBaze
12-12-2008, 02:50 AM
Well i hope i end up on KC-10's. I don't want to end up on a 6 month TDY, haha. But yeah we have slowly let a few jets go every month here in the 33rd. Also most of the personell have been getting orders, with basically most of them gone by June/Julyish. There will still be a bit of people left here after that, but hardly enough to call it an active squadron.


yeah I worked 15's at Tyndall I heard they are getting a lot of Eglin's jets with the -220 engine in them

Spunjah413
12-12-2008, 05:38 PM
OK so i have a question. Those of you who drove to Lackland for BFE. Did you have to take a plane directly from there to fairchild and fairchild back to your origional base? The retraining person on my base is telling me that the Air Force will not Fly me back to lackland from fairchild (only fairchild back to eglin they will do), and i have to take LEAVE after Fairchild so i can fly back to lackland (which i have to pay out of pocket, wtf?) and pick up my vehicle, to drive back to Eglin. I also recieve NO perdiem or travel mileage since im on leave. This sounds like total BS.

Another question would be, if i decline retraining even tho i have already been accepted, can i still reapply during my next enlistmen (i think i am unable to my first enlistment since i have already been accepted).

BigBaze
12-13-2008, 01:06 AM
OK so i have a question. Those of you who drove to Lackland for BFE. Did you have to take a plane directly from there to fairchild and fairchild back to your origional base? The retraining person on my base is telling me that the Air Force will not Fly me back to lackland from fairchild (only fairchild back to eglin they will do), and i have to take LEAVE after Fairchild so i can fly back to lackland (which i have to pay out of pocket, wtf?) and pick up my vehicle, to drive back to Eglin. I also recieve NO perdiem or travel mileage since im on leave. This sounds like total BS.

Another question would be, if i decline retraining even tho i have already been accepted, can i still reapply during my next enlistmen (i think i am unable to my first enlistment since i have already been accepted).


I was the same way, I had to drive BACK to Tyndall and then fly to Fairchild and then back to Tyndall. This is how things are. if you want this job apply NOW as an FTA, it is much harder as a second termer since your squadron CC can deny it as a second termer, but not as a FTA. If you plan to fly back to Lackland instead, they will charge you leave because it is deviating from THEIR plans. I don't even want to ask them why, that is how it is, just play the game, it will be worth it in the end trust me:> Why would you want to decline retraining after you are accepted?

Spunjah413
12-13-2008, 02:22 AM
Don't think you understood my post, haha let me explain.

Here is what i want:

Eglin (drive) ---> Lackland (Drive) ---> Eglin (Fly) ----> Fairchild (Fly) ----> Eglin (Finished)

In this scenario everything works out great and i get my car and wife back home befor departing to Fairchild.

This is what the Retraining office told me:

Eglin (Drive) ---->Lackland (Fly) ----> Fairchild (Fly) ---> Eglin (Finished)

In this scenerio I end up with my car STUCK at Lackland (Along with my wife, altho she could possibly drive back i really dont want her to). The retraining office told me that the only way to solve this is TAKE LEAVE after Fairchild, Book a 1 way ticket back to Lackland to get my car(At MY expense), and drive back to eglin (Also at my expense with no perdiem or travel days paid).

I don't see what the big deal is, they still owe me a POV 1 way back from Lackland, and I dont see the problem in them just changing the Roundtrip from Fairchild back to Lackland instead of Eglin.

TheMrs
12-13-2008, 05:41 AM
Don't think you understood my post, haha let me explain.

Here is what i want:

Eglin (drive) ---> Lackland (Drive) ---> Eglin (Fly) ----> Fairchild (Fly) ----> Eglin (Finished)

In this scenario everything works out great and i get my car and wife back home befor departing to Fairchild.

This is what the Retraining office told me:

Eglin (Drive) ---->Lackland (Fly) ----> Fairchild (Fly) ---> Eglin (Finished)

In this scenerio I end up with my car STUCK at Lackland (Along with my wife, altho she could possibly drive back i really dont want her to). The retraining office told me that the only way to solve this is TAKE LEAVE after Fairchild, Book a 1 way ticket back to Lackland to get my car(At MY expense), and drive back to eglin (Also at my expense with no perdiem or travel days paid).

I don't see what the big deal is, they still owe me a POV 1 way back from Lackland, and I dont see the problem in them just changing the Roundtrip from Fairchild back to Lackland instead of Eglin.

Just curious....will you be staying on base at lackland? I went to visit my busband the last week of his class there and it was nice that I was able to help him study for his test but I couldn't imagine being there the whole time. He was up late everynight studying and when I'd end up falling asleep he felt bad for leaving the light on. We were able to go out to dinner twice and one day of shopping but that was after he actually finished. Just remember you'll be studying non-stop and your wife might get a little bored.

Kegler
12-13-2008, 06:11 PM
Don't think you understood my post, haha let me explain.

Here is what i want:

Eglin (drive) ---> Lackland (Drive) ---> Eglin (Fly) ----> Fairchild (Fly) ----> Eglin (Finished)

In this scenario everything works out great and i get my car and wife back home befor departing to Fairchild.

This is what the Retraining office told me:

Eglin (Drive) ---->Lackland (Fly) ----> Fairchild (Fly) ---> Eglin (Finished)

In this scenerio I end up with my car STUCK at Lackland (Along with my wife, altho she could possibly drive back i really dont want her to). The retraining office told me that the only way to solve this is TAKE LEAVE after Fairchild, Book a 1 way ticket back to Lackland to get my car(At MY expense), and drive back to eglin (Also at my expense with no perdiem or travel days paid).

I don't see what the big deal is, they still owe me a POV 1 way back from Lackland, and I dont see the problem in them just changing the Roundtrip from Fairchild back to Lackland instead of Eglin.

Your Retraining office is 100% correct!

1. The AF is retraining YOU. They will pay either A) mileage and perdiem for travel or B) Airfare. Whichever is cheapest, not whichever is the most convenient for the member. If YOU opt to drive and it is not the cheapest the AF will reimburse you the price of the ticket and 1 travel day. The rest is up to YOU because YOU decided to have convenience. This pertains to ALL TDYs.

2. YOUR car is not a REQUIREMENT to get you trained. It is a convenience to you

3. The AF is not retraining YOUR wife, so they do not need to get her to Lackland and back.

4. If you drive to Lackland because YOU wanted...the AF does not OWE you gettting it back, they did not get it STUCK there...you did based upon YOUR decision to drive.

5. What YOU "want" vs what the AF Requires? Guess who wins?

If you decline this retraining for which you opted to apply for as your CAREERS retraining option, you will not get to reapply again with such ease. As BigBaze said....second term applications are much harder.

Now, before you bash me for not "understanding your feelings and wants" let me explain. Yes...I know what it is like to be away from the family for 6 months...I am aircrew and have a few thousand hours in the tube deployed, TDY etc for months at a time (I think the wreath around the star on my wings qualifies me). While it may not always seem this way...we have to be good stewards of the tax payers money to get the mission done. You have to ask yourself if it is worth a couple of days leave and a few dollars to have all the conveniences YOU want. Your best action (for your convenience and pocket) would be to drive to Lackand....fly to Fairchild....fly to Lackand....drive to Eglin. You will be charged a couple days leave and the "airfare" cost they pay you should cover most expenses driving. The only thing the AF "owes" you is to get you trained into a career field YOU volunteered for in the most efficient and cost effective way.

ArcticChilla
12-13-2008, 06:37 PM
Going back to Malmstrom on Hueys. Stoked to get helo's. Block 3 was fun! Hope everyone is having fun through training. Baze sounds like you have your work cut out for you. We had one guy get KC-10's....he was on old crew chief on them.

Spunjah413
12-13-2008, 07:28 PM
Your Retraining office is 100% correct!

1. The AF is retraining YOU. They will pay either A) mileage and perdiem for travel or B) Airfare. Whichever is cheapest, not whichever is the most convenient for the member. If YOU opt to drive and it is not the cheapest the AF will reimburse you the price of the ticket and 1 travel day. The rest is up to YOU because YOU decided to have convenience. This pertains to ALL TDYs.

2. YOUR car is not a REQUIREMENT to get you trained. It is a convenience to you

3. The AF is not retraining YOUR wife, so they do not need to get her to Lackland and back.

4. If you drive to Lackland because YOU wanted...the AF does not OWE you gettting it back, they did not get it STUCK there...you did based upon YOUR decision to drive.

5. What YOU "want" vs what the AF Requires? Guess who wins?

If you decline this retraining for which you opted to apply for as your CAREERS retraining option, you will not get to reapply again with such ease. As BigBaze said....second term applications are much harder.

Now, before you bash me for not "understanding your feelings and wants" let me explain. Yes...I know what it is like to be away from the family for 6 months...I am aircrew and have a few thousand hours in the tube deployed, TDY etc for months at a time (I think the wreath around the star on my wings qualifies me). While it may not always seem this way...we have to be good stewards of the tax payers money to get the mission done. You have to ask yourself if it is worth a couple of days leave and a few dollars to have all the conveniences YOU want. Your best action (for your convenience and pocket) would be to drive to Lackand....fly to Fairchild....fly to Lackand....drive to Eglin. You will be charged a couple days leave and the "airfare" cost they pay you should cover most expenses driving. The only thing the AF "owes" you is to get you trained into a career field YOU volunteered for in the most efficient and cost effective way.

O believe me i understand completely. Just a little disappointed that it wouldn't work the way i originally thought/planned. Also a quick question; what do you mean by "airfare" cost they pay you should cover most expenses driving"?

Kegler
12-13-2008, 09:07 PM
O believe me i understand completely. Just a little disappointed that it wouldn't work the way i originally thought/planned. Also a quick question; what do you mean by "airfare" cost they pay you should cover most expenses driving"?

Example...I went TDY here awhile back. The Government airfare was $350 round Trip. I drove it in one day...no leave needed and the total gas cost for me we about $230. Now, of course, the goverment cost of my driving would be so much a mile not gas cost. My reimbursement was for the airfare since if they paid me mileage it would have been more when figured out with government rates. Paid for the trip using my own vehicle (minus wear and tear) and I had the convenience of my own transportation.

TF39master
12-13-2008, 09:28 PM
About 3 months ago my x-train got approved and soon after I received a class date. I am scheduled for B.F.E Jan 9th. Im wondering if there is anybody in here with the same class date as me. I also want to know how the assignment process works, I have heard you receive your assignment sometime during BFE, I am currently stationed in an F-16 base so I guess Im guaranteed to move.

BigBaze
12-13-2008, 10:29 PM
Going back to Malmstrom on Hueys. Stoked to get helo's. Block 3 was fun! Hope everyone is having fun through training. Baze sounds like you have your work cut out for you. We had one guy get KC-10's....he was on old crew chief on them.


Yeah everything comes together in the sim, after getting confused a little during the powerpoint, and my instructor is awesome so we have a lot of fun. The big thing is going through the checklists right and doing good CRM. The KC10 is pretty fun.

TheMrs
12-14-2008, 02:17 AM
Going back to Malmstrom on Hueys. Stoked to get helo's. Block 3 was fun! Hope everyone is having fun through training. Baze sounds like you have your work cut out for you. We had one guy get KC-10's....he was on old crew chief on them.

Congrats! You and my husband may cross paths along to way. He' s on Hueys at Minot

BigBaze
12-14-2008, 05:08 PM
Going back to Malmstrom on Hueys. Stoked to get helo's. Block 3 was fun! Hope everyone is having fun through training. Baze sounds like you have your work cut out for you. We had one guy get KC-10's....he was on old crew chief on them.


Got a buddy of mine I worked F15's with who is a FE up at Malmstrom, SrA Watson, say hi to him for me lol

BigBaze
12-14-2008, 05:10 PM
Well im currently Conus at Eglin, FL. Why is it they only PCS you for Kc10's if the C130/C5 school is probably just as long? Im also in a weird predicament. My current base is closing down, and there is no way i can wait here for that long after BFE.

Another question. On the training rips that you get e-mailed and have to sign...certain blocks have like base bileting reservation #, billeting non availibility # and whatnot...did you have to fill all those out befor turning them in? Im not sure if i can call 5 months in advance to make sure i have a reservation #. And lastly who do i turn these rips in to? Retraining office @ MPF?


The only thing I did for billeting was call Lackland and reserve a room, if they can't fit you there they will put you on Kelly (higher per diem:>) and if that is full you will be off base. All I did with my training rips was sign them, have the supervisor and commander sign them and turn them into formal training at MPF

NinjaVanisher
12-15-2008, 10:37 PM
The AF will be looking for about 200 Flight Engineers in FY 10. All of them will be retrainees.

How do you know there are going to be that many openings for FE?

srawk48
12-16-2008, 12:15 AM
annd im back again. but i graduated bfe and i'm at home so i'm actually going to participate in this forum now..

does anyone know the link for getting sere grar issued as well as getting all the gear issued for flight engineer equipment (i.e flight suits/patches/jackets and all that good stuff)

Kegler
12-16-2008, 12:38 AM
annd im back again. but i graduated bfe and i'm at home so i'm actually going to participate in this forum now..

does anyone know the link for getting sere grar issued as well as getting all the gear issued for flight engineer equipment (i.e flight suits/patches/jackets and all that good stuff)

https://etca.randolph.af.mil/ will give you the requirements for SERE. The rest...you usually will usually get at your new base. Depends on what airframe.....are you attending IQT at your next base or is the FTU somewhere else?

Gunner7
12-16-2008, 01:40 PM
How do you know there are going to be that many openings for FE?

That is 34 less than the AF normally hires in a year. It is based on what the AF needs to sustain the career field, and how many training slots are open.

Gunner7
12-16-2008, 01:50 PM
How do you know there are going to be that many openings for FE?

That is 34 less than the AF normally hires in a year. It is based on what the AF needs to sustain the career field, and how many training slots are open.

NinjaVanisher
12-16-2008, 11:08 PM
So I just got off the phone with AFPC. They told me that because I'm a FTA and overseas, that I'll have to get an ETP because I'm out of my retraining window of 59-67th month for a 6-year enlistee, even though all of that changes because of the fact that I'm OVERSEAS. Then they said that I'll still have to apply 9-15 months before my DEROS. They basically told me that both windows pretty much have to line up. This doesn't sound right, becuase the reg says that I just have to hit my 59th month "On or before my DEROS" for being overseas, which occured a long time ago. Anyone else out there happen to be going through this same crap and is able to give me a little insight?

fsumhb18
12-16-2008, 11:18 PM
Hey quick question if anyone can help me out. I recently graduated FE School and am at my home station waiting for IQT to start. It's going to be a little while, and I was wondering if there is any AFI that says since I am a 3 level in a new AFSC I'm no longer certified to perform my original maintenance duties. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks

Spunjah413
12-17-2008, 12:12 AM
Trying to get more input from Married FE's. Im currently in doubt about if i want to take the job. I still have 2 days to decline. I'm just worried that i will be gone for too long every year, and it will be too hard on the wife. Any input from anyone?

Fissie
12-17-2008, 04:12 AM
So I just got off the phone with AFPC. They told me that because I'm a FTA and overseas, that I'll have to get an ETP because I'm out of my retraining window of 59-67th month for a 6-year enlistee, even though all of that changes because of the fact that I'm OVERSEAS. Then they said that I'll still have to apply 9-15 months before my DEROS. They basically told me that both windows pretty much have to line up. This doesn't sound right, becuase the reg says that I just have to hit my 59th month "On or before my DEROS" for being overseas, which occured a long time ago. Anyone else out there happen to be going through this same crap and is able to give me a little insight?

This happened to us too kind of. We're coming from overseas. Our DEROS is April '09. My husband originally applied in August after the list dropped. But by the time everything was sorted out (begining of Oct) they were telling him he was way out of his window. We even got orders. He sent in an ETP w/ his package and within a week or two our orders were cancelled and he had his status 5 to re-train. I think there was a link posted a few pages back for the ETP. It sounds like they're not all that uncommon.

chachikeno
12-17-2008, 01:46 PM
Quik question, I passed my flight physical but now i'm waiting for my papres to be returned from AFPC. My Med Group told me they have 30 days to return them. It has now been over 30 days and I haven't heard anything. Is there anyone I can call to see the status of it?

earlheron
12-17-2008, 02:08 PM
Trying to get more input from Married FE's. Im currently in doubt about if i want to take the job. I still have 2 days to decline. I'm just worried that i will be gone for too long every year, and it will be too hard on the wife. Any input from anyone?

Hello Spunjah413!

When I was serving as a C130 Tactical Airlift FE at Pope AFB, many of us were married. During the 1984-1986 timeframe I served in we were engaged in a Cold-War tempo. Our schedule entailed me flying 2 or three times per week, mostly out and back the same day, with occasional week-long deployments. Once a year we spent 2 months in Europe on "Rotation," as they called it, supporting NATO. Actually, in that environment I thought us married guys were more happy than the singles. Your relationshiip has to be solid, and your wife hopefully enjoys the time you're home more than she dislikes the time you're gone.

From what I've heard about the current FE schedule of deployment and stress, and the unliklihood you will know exactly what airframe you will have, and what your deployment schedule will be like, I'm not sure I could recommend a married guy go for FE. But it's all about risk and luck. I was lucky. Also I only served 2 years and 910 hours of flying time before walking away to pursue civilian life. It was tough to leave a life that was risky but enjoyable. I'm glad I served, but I'm also glad I left. As I've managed my career, I check the news, weather, and my gut feeling every morning and go with an informed gut.

Gunner7
12-17-2008, 02:10 PM
Hey quick question if anyone can help me out. I recently graduated FE School and am at my home station waiting for IQT to start. It's going to be a little while, and I was wondering if there is any AFI that says since I am a 3 level in a new AFSC I'm no longer certified to perform my original maintenance duties. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks

You can continue to perform duties in your current AFSC. Your 5 level in your "old" AFSC is not cancelled by the 3 level you hold in the 1A AFSC.

Gunner7
12-17-2008, 02:15 PM
Quik question, I passed my flight physical but now i'm waiting for my papres to be returned from AFPC. My Med Group told me they have 30 days to return them. It has now been over 30 days and I haven't heard anything. Is there anyone I can call to see the status of it?

You can call the folks at Flight Medicine and ask them to run a query in their system. The Med Standards folks at AFPC turn initial class III physicals pretty quick but the omission of documents from the MTF slows the process down. The MTF will not query the MAJCOM untill 30 days have passed.

Gunner7
12-17-2008, 02:24 PM
So I just got off the phone with AFPC. They told me that because I'm a FTA and overseas, that I'll have to get an ETP because I'm out of my retraining window of 59-67th month for a 6-year enlistee, even though all of that changes because of the fact that I'm OVERSEAS. Then they said that I'll still have to apply 9-15 months before my DEROS. They basically told me that both windows pretty much have to line up. This doesn't sound right, becuase the reg says that I just have to hit my 59th month "On or before my DEROS" for being overseas, which occured a long time ago. Anyone else out there happen to be going through this same crap and is able to give me a little insight?

You should be clear to apply once you are 15 months out from DEROS, the problem is you need to apply for a retraining slot that is in the same FY as your DEROS. If you look in the retraining advisory right now only FY 09 slots are loaded and if your DEROS is after 01 Oct 09 you need to wait for FY 10 slots to drop. First Term Airman retraining slots drop in March and the NCORP slots drop in Aug. FTA can apply to retrain early (half of first enlistment) into Critical AFSCs like the 1AXXX . I hope this helps you make sense of our precise and reliable retraining process!

NinjaVanisher
12-17-2008, 09:55 PM
You should be clear to apply once you are 15 months out from DEROS, the problem is you need to apply for a retraining slot that is in the same FY as your DEROS. If you look in the retraining advisory right now only FY 09 slots are loaded and if your DEROS is after 01 Oct 09 you need to wait for FY 10 slots to drop. First Term Airman retraining slots drop in March and the NCORP slots drop in Aug. FTA can apply to retrain early (half of first enlistment) into Critical AFSCs like the 1AXXX . I hope this helps you make sense of our precise and reliable retraining process!
Well I hit my 15 months out back in Sep, unfortunately my DEROS is Dec 09, so yeah, I know I have to wait until March for the new Retraining Advisory. Unfortunately, that's my last month to apply, so I only have one damn shot at this. Plus, on top of that, I'm supposed to be deployed at that time, so I'm sure that'll be fun. That's why I pray to god that I get into FE.

Gunner7
12-18-2008, 01:05 PM
Well I hit my 15 months out back in Sep, unfortunately my DEROS is Dec 09, so yeah, I know I have to wait until March for the new Retraining Advisory. Unfortunately, that's my last month to apply, so I only have one damn shot at this. Plus, on top of that, I'm supposed to be deployed at that time, so I'm sure that'll be fun. That's why I pray to god that I get into FE.

The beauty of applying for a critical AFSC is the ETP, You can accomplish exceptions to policy for retraining early, feeder AFSC, training out of a balanced AFSC and in your case, retraining outside your window. There are other circumstances but we only have so much space to write here. Submitting the ETP to retrain outside of your window will be one more memo to add to your application. It is rare if not impossible to retrain early from overseas because the losing MAJCOM will not get a full paypack for their investment. Applying to retrain six months from DEROS with an ETP is not uncommon. In your case the fact that AFPC chooses to release Fy retraining in quotas at certain points in the year is beyond your control. I would look to get the "in-person" part of the Class III physical knocked out before deployment. You can continue the retraining process on-line with support from the friendly folks from PERSCO.

NinjaVanisher
12-18-2008, 10:28 PM
The beauty of applying for a critical AFSC is the ETP, You can accomplish exceptions to policy for retraining early, feeder AFSC, training out of a balanced AFSC and in your case, retraining outside your window. There are other circumstances but we only have so much space to write here. Submitting the ETP to retrain outside of your window will be one more memo to add to your application. It is rare if not impossible to retrain early from overseas because the losing MAJCOM will not get a full paypack for their investment. Applying to retrain six months from DEROS with an ETP is not uncommon. In your case the fact that AFPC chooses to release Fy retraining in quotas at certain points in the year is beyond your control. I would look to get the "in-person" part of the Class III physical knocked out before deployment. You can continue the retraining process on-line with support from the friendly folks from PERSCO.

Hopefully I won't actually need the ETP, but might as well be prepared. Unfortunately for the Class III, the person who runs that here said that I needed the 'request' that comes from AFPC. Hopefully I deploy somewhere that has the capability to accomplish the physical. If not, the reg says I have 45 days to accomplish whatever is needed for retraining upon returning to home station. I just really don't want to get screwed out of this. Damn the whole 'overseas' thing! Haha

BigBaze
12-19-2008, 03:34 AM
Damn, almost 50,000 views! How is everyone doing that is at BFE or the other schools?

jetmech24
12-19-2008, 04:06 AM
Hello all, new to the thread. Although new, I have been reading the thread for some time now. I am currently in the process of retraining and collecting all appropriate paper and completing my physical. Of course there have been a few snags! The question I have is, from the time you turn in your paper work to AFPC how long did it take to be notified of the approval and how were you notified? I am currently a 15 yr TSgt Jet troop at Travis AFB and would love any advise on how to speed the process up, Thanks!

Theloweman
12-19-2008, 12:47 PM
Hello all, new to the thread. Although new, I have been reading the thread for some time now. I am currently in the process of retraining and collecting all appropriate paper and completing my physical. Of course there have been a few snags! The question I have is, from the time you turn in your paper work to AFPC how long did it take to be notified of the approval and how were you notified? I am currently a 15 yr TSgt Jet troop at Travis AFB and would love any advise on how to speed the process up, Thanks!
Hey JetMech welcome to the thread. I'm a 13 year TSgt that just got approved. I submitted my package on Nov 24th, Commander signed it on the 25th (2 ETP Letters included) and got approved on Dec 10th. All five classes loaded on the 12th. When you consider the time it took me to get my flight physical and other paperwork together I thought that was pretty amazing. It looks like there are only 9 Tech slots left for FY09... so I would try to speed up the process how ever you can.

I'm coming from overseas and havent gotten an assignment yet, still waiting... I think it has something to with retainability.. When selected, you are req to have 48mon retainability from graduation of AC Fundamentals.

Hey overseas guys, how long did you have to wait before you got an assignment?

Gunner7
12-19-2008, 01:44 PM
[QUOTE=Theloweman;168037]Hey JetMech welcome to the thread. I'm a 13 year TSgt that just got approved. I submitted my package on Nov 24th, Commander signed it on the 25th (2 ETP Letters included) and got approved on Dec 10th. All five classes loaded on the 12th. When you consider the time it took me to get my flight physical and other paperwork together I thought that was pretty amazing. It looks like there are only 9 Tech slots left for FY09... so I would try to speed up the process how ever you can.

If you are applying for a critical skill and don't see a quota for your paygrade please look to the right column for retraining advisory note 504, it allows a TSgt to apply as an ETP to take a SSgt quota and vice versa. You can normally go one grade up or down. I am sorry some clown decided to encrypt the advisory this way.

jetmech24
12-20-2008, 05:18 AM
I recently PCS'd and had a code placed on me keeping me from retraining, but after many phone calls to AFPC I found out the code 28 can be waived ( Man you can waive anything ! ). Anyways, now I am waiting for my physical to clear on the 1st Feb 09 and then be able to submit my package. I am not worried about the quota, If needed I will do a ETP letter to dip into the SSgt quota. I am also a Cerified Flight Instructor in the outside world, anyone else know of an Instructor that went through FE school? And did it help being a pilot to understand the information they teach you in EAUC and BFE? I started this process over 6 months ago, man I hope I get approved ! All these waivers and paperwork ! OH ! does anyone know if an ETP is required for someone in my position ( for any reason at all ), I would hate to have my paperwork kicked back and then need the ETP letter for something I could have foreseen. Thanks!

BigBaze
12-20-2008, 05:22 AM
I recently PCS'd and had a code placed on me keeping me from retraining, but after many phone calls to AFPC I found out the code 28 can be waived ( Man you can waive anything ! ). Anyways, now I am waiting for my physical to clear on the 1st Feb 09 and then be able to submit my package. I am not worried about the quota, If needed I will do a ETP letter to dip into the SSgt quota. I am also a Cerified Flight Instructor in the outside world, anyone else know of an Instructor that went through FE school? And did it help being a pilot to understand the information they teach you in EAUC and BFE? I started this process over 6 months ago, man I hope I get approved ! All these waivers and paperwork ! OH ! does anyone know if an ETP is required for someone in my position ( for any reason at all ), I would hate to have my paperwork kicked back and then need the ETP letter for something I could have foreseen. Thanks!


Not sure about the whole ETP thing but I know on the KC10 it helps massively to know how to fly for the purpose of backing up the pilots, if you know approach plates, charts etc it helps a lot because they cover those in BFE etc. When we have spare time in the sim they put me behind the yoke and let the pilots mess around with the FE panel for a bit which they actually enjoy...a couple of the instructors here have their instrument ratings, I have my private pilots license and it has helped a lot.

jetmech24
12-20-2008, 06:10 AM
Thanks BigBaze ! I think it was going to help to be a pilot one way or another. By the way, are you still in training or are you at your duty location? And if so, what base? I plan on trying to come back to Travis. I know the manning functional for FE's (my old neighbor and the one who inspired me to fly) and hope he will be able to pull a few strings to keep me at Travis on the 10's

BigBaze
12-20-2008, 05:04 PM
Thanks BigBaze ! I think it was going to help to be a pilot one way or another. By the way, are you still in training or are you at your duty location? And if so, what base? I plan on trying to come back to Travis. I know the manning functional for FE's (my old neighbor and the one who inspired me to fly) and hope he will be able to pull a few strings to keep me at Travis on the 10's


I am at McGuire doing the ground/sim portion with FlightSafety International. I am also stationed here with the 2nd ARS so they PCSED me up here for the flying school and then to get stationed here. I get my sim checkride Jan 8 then go to the flying training unit until April. If you are at Travis already you have a very good chance of going back there. One of the guys I went through BFE with was at Robins at he put JSTARS last on his list and he still went back to Robins on them:> One of my other classmates was a KC10 flying crew chief from Travis and he went back there but on C5's, so hopefully you get the 10 too!

daftcon
12-20-2008, 06:10 PM
whats up everyone. just finished up block 4 of BFE before our christmas exodus starts. this whole retraining experience so far has been quite a journey. all the b/s u get from sq. supers, CC's, afpc, med grp guys, and anyone else, is honestly worth putting up with for alittle bit to get where you want to be. i have yet to "look back" since my car and i left Beale to get here to Lackland.
The whole fire hose analogy is no joke. its a lot of studying, and a ton of discipline to get stuff done. but thats not to say u gotta be a stiff @$$ and not have a life. but keep yourself in line. i found out this week that i'll be heading to The Rock (little rock) on the dirty 130. really excited about it. we found out about a week and a half into bfe if anyone was wondering.
anyway good luck to everyone trying to make things happen. dont lose focus and keep pushing thru all the b/s. its definitely worth it!
LATES

Fissie
12-21-2008, 12:39 PM
Hey JetMech welcome to the thread. I'm a 13 year TSgt that just got approved. I submitted my package on Nov 24th, Commander signed it on the 25th (2 ETP Letters included) and got approved on Dec 10th. All five classes loaded on the 12th. When you consider the time it took me to get my flight physical and other paperwork together I thought that was pretty amazing. It looks like there are only 9 Tech slots left for FY09... so I would try to speed up the process how ever you can.

I'm coming from overseas and havent gotten an assignment yet, still waiting... I think it has something to with retainability.. When selected, you are req to have 48mon retainability from graduation of AC Fundamentals.

Hey overseas guys, how long did you have to wait before you got an assignment?

We're comming from overseas too. It was about two, maybe three weeks from the time he got status 5 to the time we got our assignment rip. You're right about the retainability I think. The Cheif we were working w/ to get the assignment we wanted said he couldnt even call anyone at AFPC until we had the retainability. We got our assignment less than a week after he got the 48mos retainability( rec'd rip Nov 20th---our DEROS is April -09). I've heard, and they told us that we wouldnt get our assigmnent until about 90 days before our DEROS so we were got ours a bit earlier than expected:-) I dont know when you're set to PCS, but that may be another factor for you.

earlheron
12-22-2008, 01:13 AM
whats up everyone. just finished up block 4 of BFE before our christmas exodus starts. this whole retraining experience so far has been quite a journey. all the b/s u get from sq. supers, CC's, afpc, med grp guys, and anyone else, is honestly worth putting up with for alittle bit to get where you want to be. i have yet to "look back" since my car and i left Beale to get here to Lackland.
The whole fire hose analogy is no joke. its a lot of studying, and a ton of discipline to get stuff done. but thats not to say u gotta be a stiff @$$ and not have a life. but keep yourself in line. i found out this week that i'll be heading to The Rock (little rock) on the dirty 130. really excited about it. we found out about a week and a half into bfe if anyone was wondering.
anyway good luck to everyone trying to make things happen. dont lose focus and keep pushing thru all the b/s. its definitely worth it!
LATES

Congratulations daftcon! I graduated BFE just before Christmas enroute to Little Rock also, but in 1984. :-) Overcoming the challenge and joining the FE fraternity was exiting. Have fun with it!

ArcticChilla
12-22-2008, 03:48 AM
whats up everyone. just finished up block 4 of BFE before our christmas exodus starts. this whole retraining experience so far has been quite a journey. all the b/s u get from sq. supers, CC's, afpc, med grp guys, and anyone else, is honestly worth putting up with for alittle bit to get where you want to be. i have yet to "look back" since my car and i left Beale to get here to Lackland.
The whole fire hose analogy is no joke. its a lot of studying, and a ton of discipline to get stuff done. but thats not to say u gotta be a stiff @$$ and not have a life. but keep yourself in line. i found out this week that i'll be heading to The Rock (little rock) on the dirty 130. really excited about it. we found out about a week and a half into bfe if anyone was wondering.
anyway good luck to everyone trying to make things happen. dont lose focus and keep pushing thru all the b/s. its definitely worth it!
LATES


Good Luck in Blk 5!

It's not too bad it just gets frustrating....you'll see. Props on the C130. Should be a fun ride! The christmas break is crazy! So many days off....would rather be finishing class....See everyone after the break!

BigBaze
12-24-2008, 04:27 AM
Good Luck in Blk 5!

It's not too bad it just gets frustrating....you'll see. Props on the C130. Should be a fun ride! The christmas break is crazy! So many days off....would rather be finishing class....See everyone after the break!


I was in TOLD heaven today, last sim until Monday, I am going to Florida to get away from this crappy Jersey weather. Had a great day in the sim, dual hydraulic failure, turning into an engine fire, which turned into a single hydraulic system powered by a windmilling engine...good stuff. Have a Merry Christmas all.

Pearlrec
12-24-2008, 07:57 PM
Hey JetMech welcome to the thread. I'm a 13 year TSgt that just got approved. I submitted my package on Nov 24th, Commander signed it on the 25th (2 ETP Letters included) and got approved on Dec 10th. All five classes loaded on the 12th. When you consider the time it took me to get my flight physical and other paperwork together I thought that was pretty amazing. It looks like there are only 9 Tech slots left for FY09... so I would try to speed up the process how ever you can.

I'm coming from overseas and havent gotten an assignment yet, still waiting... I think it has something to with retainability.. When selected, you are req to have 48mon retainability from graduation of AC Fundamentals.

Hey overseas guys, how long did you have to wait before you got an assignment?
Hey Loweman, I am also coming from overseas as well. I am PCSing in July (hopefully) and only have aircrew fundies loaded and not an assignment. AFPC told me that I will get the other classes when I get to the first one...when are you PCSing? My aircrew fundies is 18 Sept 09...

FOR ANY OF YOU WHO ARE OVERSEAS WITH LESS THAN 12 MONTHS RETAINABILITY AFTER YOUR DEROS, AND ARE WAITING FOR YOUR RETRAINING PACKAGE TO GET ACCEPTED...ONCE IT IS A 6...REENLIST! IF YOU DON'T, YOU WILL BE EXTENDED TO YOUR DOS!

I got accepted during a deployment and was told by my training manager that I need to get the retainability to accept the class (aircrew fundies), so would need to reenlist when I got back. I got back on 23 Nov 08 and on 25 Nov 08 my DEROS got automaticaly extended to my DOS of May 2010!!! I have since reenlisted and I now have to get a DEROS Curtailment package sent up through my MPF to AFPC to keep my retraining slot. Soooo...through the holidays I am hoping (well praying) that my retraining class, and slot does not leave my sights and the DEROS curtailment gets approved sooner than later. Info all, If you do not have your 12 months retainability after your DEROS, AFPC will automatically extend your DEROS to your DOS on the 25th day of the 8th month prior to your DEROS. Did that make sense? Basically, take your DEROS month, count 8 months back, and on the 25th day it will be extended if you don't reenlist before that day. Wish I knew that little reg a head of time...

Merry Christmas all!

dub13
12-25-2008, 05:20 AM
I was in TOLD heaven today, last sim until Monday, I am going to Florida to get away from this crappy Jersey weather. Had a great day in the sim, dual hydraulic failure, turning into an engine fire, which turned into a single hydraulic system powered by a windmilling engine...good stuff. Have a Merry Christmas all.


hey man, how far along are ya on your sim rides? I had my sim checkride two weeks ago now. Q1. Now waiting for the flying squadron.. This job is awesome

JP26
12-25-2008, 01:06 PM
We just got orders to the 66th RQS at Nellis! That means he'll be on HH-60s like he wanted! Yay! I'm more than excited!! Do any of you other folks comming from overseas have class dates yet for the main course? From what we've heard he may have to wait a while to get into a class? He has his first couple scheduled already from June 5 to the end of August. Our RNL date to Nellis is 30 April though. What do they do with him from 30 Apr-June 5? I know there was some talk about this in the begining of this thread, but what has everyone else experienced? Will he do his old job until his classes start, what about the time when he may have to wait for the main class to start? We are taking quite a bit of leave to travel around Europe before we leave the UK, so we might not have much saved up to use.

Congrats! My hubby and I are @ Mildenhall and have orders to the 66th as well. I guess we will see you all there. Our RNLTD is Feb 2009. :)

imported_Blueridge
12-26-2008, 03:22 PM
I am former active duty AF and am considering going into the Air Guard as an FE. The unit has been able to answer most of my questions and this thread has answered a few also. One thing that hasn't been answered is what exactly are the living arrangements while at Kelly. If anyone can shed some light that would be great. Thanks for any info. - Great thread by the way -

dub13
12-26-2008, 03:35 PM
I am former active duty AF and am considering going into the Air Guard as an FE. The unit has been able to answer most of my questions and this thread has answered a few also. One thing that hasn't been answered is what exactly are the living arrangements while at Kelly. If anyone can shed some light that would be great. Thanks for any info. - Great thread by the way -

Are you sure you are going to Kelly? You could end up at the Gateway Inn over on Lackland unless they have no availability which what happened to me. But over on Kelly its nice. It's about a 8 mile drive to the Medina side of Lackland where BFE is. The rooms over at Kelly are ok. You have a small fridge, microwave, toaster, and coffee pot. There is a full kitchen somewhere there up on the 3rd floor but I never used it. You also share a bathroom with somebody else. It's not bad over there. It's always pretty quiet and relaxed. Oh and plus the per diem is a lot higher staying over there

imported_Blueridge
12-26-2008, 04:14 PM
Are you sure you are going to Kelly? You could end up at the Gateway Inn over on Lackland unless they have no availability which what happened to me. But over on Kelly its nice. It's about a 8 mile drive to the Medina side of Lackland where BFE is. The rooms over at Kelly are ok. You have a small fridge, microwave, toaster, and coffee pot. There is a full kitchen somewhere there up on the 3rd floor but I never used it. You also share a bathroom with somebody else. It's not bad over there. It's always pretty quiet and relaxed. Oh and plus the per diem is a lot higher staying over there

dub,
No, I am not sure it's Kelly - I guess I should have said Lackland. The main reason I am asking is because I am married and not sure if my wife can visit or even stay there during training. Thanks for the info though.

dub13
12-26-2008, 04:39 PM
dub,
No, I am not sure it's Kelly - I guess I should have said Lackland. The main reason I am asking is because I am married and not sure if my wife can visit or even stay there during training. Thanks for the info though.

Your wife can visit you anytime you want. We aren't pipeline kids coming through under the phase program. Once you are released for the day you are set free to do whatever you want. And my advice is to not have your wife stay with you in your room while you are in school. IMO that is just a distraction, especially when you need to be studying.. I don't know you might be able to do it like that but for me having somebody there would distract me

BigBaze
12-26-2008, 06:20 PM
hey man, how far along are ya on your sim rides? I had my sim checkride two weeks ago now. Q1. Now waiting for the flying squadron.. This job is awesome


I get mine Jan 8th! Then down to the FTU!

TheDude
12-26-2008, 06:51 PM
If you're reading this thread and you're interested in retraining, my best advice to you is to BE PATIENT!! Stay on top of your business and don't get discouraged. My window opened up in August and I just submitted my application to AFPC on 5 December. The long delay was due to waiting on the hospital ( Class III Flight Physical and 422) to get their ducks in a row... not to mention I needed glasses so that delayed the whole process 3 weeks. If you gotta hassle those medical guys, do it, but do it with tact- you don't want to piss those guys off and have them "lose" your paperwork. Call in and make your appointment for the flight physical before your window opens (maybe like 2 months before your window opens)- you can go to aboutmilitary.com and find out all the physical requirements for any AFSC. I'm coming out of weapons, so I think my chances are pretty good of getting accepted- there are still like 50 slots open for FTA. Hopefully, I'll make this next board and hear back by mid January- we'll see.

BigBaze
12-27-2008, 04:19 AM
If you're reading this thread and you're interested in retraining, my best advice to you is to BE PATIENT!! Stay on top of your business and don't get discouraged. My window opened up in August and I just submitted my application to AFPC on 5 December. The long delay was due to waiting on the hospital ( Class III Flight Physical and 422) to get their ducks in a row... not to mention I needed glasses so that delayed the whole process 3 weeks. If you gotta hassle those medical guys, do it, but do it with tact- you don't want to piss those guys off and have them "lose" your paperwork. Call in and make your appointment for the flight physical before your window opens (maybe like 2 months before your window opens)- you can go to aboutmilitary.com and find out all the physical requirements for any AFSC. I'm coming out of weapons, so I think my chances are pretty good of getting accepted- there are still like 50 slots open for FTA. Hopefully, I'll make this next board and hear back by mid January- we'll see.


You could not be more correct my friend. It is a process!!! One year after I applied I am finally in my flight school. it is worth every bit of the extra time chasing down AFPC and keeping on people's cases to get your shit in line, I love every second of my job!

jparker
12-30-2008, 10:18 AM
Hey everyone I got everything approved and i start fundies on 27 MAR 09.............anyone else going to be in my class????

Trendkill
12-30-2008, 06:47 PM
Good afternoon, friends.

The hour of my liberation is at hand! My last day here on the job is 31 Jan, and I have to be in place for Aircrew Essentials on 5 Feb. Starting up the final push on paperwork and tying up loose ends and I had a couple of questions that I though you recent grads may be able to answer....

Do you still have to carry your ENTIRE medical record with you for the AirCrew Essentials course?

Does anyone know how long SF 88's and 1042's are good for, respectively?

I'm also going to run into an interesting situation regarding the SF600 that has to be completed prior to my attending the SERE course. The course info page says that it has to be completed prior to receiving orders for the SERE course, however, the form itself says that this particular evaluation can't be done more than 6 weeks prior, and I'll be in the BFE course at that time. Anybody else run into a similar situation?

JP26
12-31-2008, 03:07 PM
Hey everyone I got everything approved and i start fundies on 27 MAR 09.............anyone else going to be in my class????
Sounds like I'll be the class after you. I start 10 APR 09:)

AFWIFE
12-31-2008, 06:38 PM
Congrats! My hubby and I are @ Mildenhall and have orders to the 66th as well. I guess we will see you all there. Our RNLTD is Feb 2009. :)

Congrats on your new assignment. My husband and I are also stationed at Mildenhall and should be gettting orders any day now. We found out in Nov. he was approved to cross train into FE. His first class starts in Sept. 09 and we PCS from here in July. Good luck to you guys!:)

c5engineer
12-31-2008, 07:44 PM
Good afternoon, friends.

The hour of my liberation is at hand! My last day here on the job is 31 Jan, and I have to be in place for Aircrew Essentials on 5 Feb. Starting up the final push on paperwork and tying up loose ends and I had a couple of questions that I though you recent grads may be able to answer....

Do you still have to carry your ENTIRE medical record with you for the AirCrew Essentials course?

Does anyone know how long SF 88's and 1042's are good for, respectively?

I'm also going to run into an interesting situation regarding the SF600 that has to be completed prior to my attending the SERE course. The course info page says that it has to be completed prior to receiving orders for the SERE course, however, the form itself says that this particular evaluation can't be done more than 6 weeks prior, and I'll be in the BFE course at that time. Anybody else run into a similar situation?

Your 1042 expires on the last day of your birth month. Don't worry about the SF 88 it's not important. When the flight doc signs the 1042 your medically cleared to fly. Unless he's assigning you to DNIF (Duties not including flying) due to illness or injury then you'll have a new one signed and issued medically grounding you. The reg will allow you to complete your physical up to two months prior to your birth month. If you got it done earlier than that, you'll complete another physical in your window. Hope it helps. If you have a physical, but your not scheduled to train until after your due you will be required to complete another one. The good news is that you get a physical every year, but after your initial there are no chest x-rays, ekgs and blood pressure/pulse tests. Also, you'll accomplish abbreviated physicals until the fourth year when you will do another full with blood work. As for the 600 it just documents whatever medical care you've recieved so you can take your medical record to the Lackland clinic's flight medicine and have them complete that. Even if you've had medical care prior to survival school the clinic will just document what's been done.

c5engineer
12-31-2008, 07:47 PM
Good luck in the New Year to everyone, I've got a school date for FIQ.MIQ for 130's. It will be so different flying the herc instead of Fred! I have a new appreciation for all the crap I went through to get qualified and then maintain quals, I never want to be on this side of the fence in my career again. Stay safe and good luck on your sim check Baze.

BigBaze
12-31-2008, 09:06 PM
Good luck in the New Year to everyone, I've got a school date for FIQ.MIQ for 130's. It will be so different flying the herc instead of Fred! I have a new appreciation for all the crap I went through to get qualified and then maintain quals, I never want to be on this side of the fence in my career again. Stay safe and good luck on your sim check Baze.


Happy New Year to you too! I sim check next week on Thursday and I feel I am ready! It is mindblowing all the knowledge they throw at you and after all that, there is endless amounts of knowledge you still have to attain! It's all good, if it was easy everyone could do it, FE's make the world go round:)

JP26
01-01-2009, 03:36 AM
Congrats on your new assignment. My husband and I are also stationed at Mildenhall and should be gettting orders any day now. We found out in Nov. he was approved to cross train into FE. His first class starts in Sept. 09 and we PCS from here in July. Good luck to you guys!:)
That is awesome. Sounds like quite a few of us are joining the FE world from Mildenhall. Good luck with everything and Congrats!!!:)

imported_tmckinley
01-03-2009, 08:05 PM
Hello All. I am restarting this process of retraining over again. I was stationed at Robins and was waiting on a class date for FE and I got orders to Hill. So like a DA i cancelled my retraining and took my orders to Hill...Well I have been out here for 6 months and Ive decided to retrain again. So I am waiting on AFPC to send me all the stuff I need. I have been waiting about 2 weeks, but since it was around the holidays I figure I will get everything in another week or so. My current job 2A773( Sheetmetal) Is just boring for me now. So hopefully AFPC will get this ball rolling for me soon.

Also does anyone know If I can use my old paperwork, class3 physical, profile and all that good stuff, or do I have to redo it all agian.


Thanks

c5engineer
01-04-2009, 07:03 PM
Hello All. I am restarting this process of retraining over again. I was stationed at Robins and was waiting on a class date for FE and I got orders to Hill. So like a DA i cancelled my retraining and took my orders to Hill...Well I have been out here for 6 months and Ive decided to retrain again. So I am waiting on AFPC to send me all the stuff I need. I have been waiting about 2 weeks, but since it was around the holidays I figure I will get everything in another week or so. My current job 2A773( Sheetmetal) Is just boring for me now. So hopefully AFPC will get this ball rolling for me soon.

Also does anyone know If I can use my old paperwork, class3 physical, profile and all that good stuff, or do I have to redo it all agian.


Thanks

I cannot speak for the actual cross-training request, although I'd think you'd be back at square one in the system. I don't know what your birth month would be, but if it's been more than a year since your class III, or you took the physical more than two months before your birth month you'll have to have another one. That shouldn't be a big deal, especially since you've had one already. They may treat you just like a flyer and give you an abbreviated unless it's been over a year. Then they'd give you a full, but I don't see them giving you a chest xray, ekg, etc. I don't want to seem harsh, but as an instructor I've seen many students who cross-trained for a variety of reasons. The successful ones had a dream of being an engineer and that is all they wanted to do. The failures were bored at their old job, wanted to travel, wanted to wear the flight suit and leather jacket. I'm not saying you'll fail, but just be sure your heart's really in it when you start because there is a lot of crap you have to wade through before you actually fly on your own. Getting a pair of wings pinned on you after BFE doesn't count. They aren't yours until you fully upgrade and have 36 months of flying duties. I hope you can get in as it's a great career. I've been doing it for 15 years and I'm switching to 130's and I can't wait!! Take care.

Fissie
01-04-2009, 07:08 PM
Congrats! My hubby and I are @ Mildenhall and have orders to the 66th as well. I guess we will see you all there. Our RNLTD is Feb 2009. :)

That's awesome! There are a lot of us coming from Mildenhall huh!

You're about out of here then, we'll be leaving mid-April from what it looks like. What are you going to do while your husband is going through all of the training. Are you going to stay in Vegas, or hang out with family somewhere else? I'm still undecided. We have two young boys, so I kind of want to use the time to visit with family, It'll be a good 6 months of back-to-back classes just from what he has scheduled right now. I think it would be better for his head while he's studying not to have two rambunctious kids running around.
You aren't shipping your car back are you? We're in the process of trying to figure out where to register our tax-free(or rather "taxed when you go home") car that we bought over here. We've heard that NV vehicle sales tax is astromomical. I think we may register it in our HOR state if we can get away with it.

Good luck with your move! You'll have to check back in and tell me in hindsight, anything you would have done differently! Haa!

imported_tmckinley
01-04-2009, 10:05 PM
I cannot speak for the actual cross-training request, although I'd think you'd be back at square one in the system. I don't know what your birth month would be, but if it's been more than a year since your class III, or you took the physical more than two months before your birth month you'll have to have another one. That shouldn't be a big deal, especially since you've had one already. They may treat you just like a flyer and give you an abbreviated unless it's been over a year. Then they'd give you a full, but I don't see them giving you a chest xray, ekg, etc. I don't want to seem harsh, but as an instructor I've seen many students who cross-trained for a variety of reasons. The successful ones had a dream of being an engineer and that is all they wanted to do. The failures were bored at their old job, wanted to travel, wanted to wear the flight suit and leather jacket. I'm not saying you'll fail, but just be sure your heart's really in it when you start because there is a lot of crap you have to wade through before you actually fly on your own. Getting a pair of wings pinned on you after BFE doesn't count. They aren't yours until you fully upgrade and have 36 months of flying duties. I hope you can get in as it's a great career. I've been doing it for 15 years and I'm switching to 130's and I can't wait!! Take care.


I didnt mean for it to sound like that the only reason I was cross training was because I was bored with my current job. I have always wanted to be a FE and I kept getting wrong info from MPF about cross training, I finally got the skinny on all of it from a girl I dated who worked in MPF. But anyway, I had the last class III in October of last 07 and my birth month is May, so I will have to get a new one more than likley but since Ive had one maybe they will give me an appreciated physical.

JP26
01-05-2009, 11:46 AM
That's awesome! There are a lot of us coming from Mildenhall huh!

You're about out of here then, we'll be leaving mid-April from what it looks like. What are you going to do while your husband is going through all of the training. Are you going to stay in Vegas, or hang out with family somewhere else? I'm still undecided. We have two young boys, so I kind of want to use the time to visit with family, It'll be a good 6 months of back-to-back classes just from what he has scheduled right now. I think it would be better for his head while he's studying not to have two rambunctious kids running around.
You aren't shipping your car back are you? We're in the process of trying to figure out where to register our tax-free(or rather "taxed when you go home") car that we bought over here. We've heard that NV vehicle sales tax is astromomical. I think we may register it in our HOR state if we can get away with it.

Good luck with your move! You'll have to check back in and tell me in hindsight, anything you would have done differently! Haa!

Hey Fissie, Nice to hear from you. Actually I am the one that is going to be doing the cross training. My husband is also military so he will be going to Vegas with me and working in the maintenance squadron for the helos. We final out the end of this month. I can't wait. I don't start training till April so I will be doing some odd jobs around the squadron till I leave. Are you guys buying a house? We are looking into doing that because the prices are so good right now. Unfortunately a lot of areas around Nellis are not very safe so we are spending a lot of time researching different areas. We both have British cars right now so we wont be shipping anything home. After hearing about the sales tax, I am glad we don't have to :) Did you get a sponsor yet? I called a couple of months ago and they gave me one. The people in the squadron seem really nice and helpful!!!

Well good luck with everything. I will let you know if I hear about anything else about moving:) See you in Vegas:)

skyrat77
01-06-2009, 11:43 AM
Hello everyone!

I just wanted to thank everyone for making this the ultimate source of info!
I know there are a lot of silent readers, so I wanted to let you know that I was updated to status 5 yesterday with a less than perfect record of conduct, on the first review board!

So, if you are holding back because of something similar.......don't! As long as it is in the past, you have learned your mistakes and have been excelling ever since....don't give up!
I am heading tomorrow to re-enlistments and hopefully get a good answer on the SRBs. I'll post my class dates as soon as I receive them and hopefully I can get in touch with my future classmates.
Good luck to all and thanks for the support!

Cheers!

dub13
01-06-2009, 09:49 PM
My current job 2A773( Sheetmetal)


Thanks

Hey I'm prior sheet metal too. It's a big change in jobs and I love it so far. Had my sim checkride three weeks ago now and now awaiting to go to the FTU. Just remember to study study study.. The crewchiefs I went through BFE with had a little advantage over me since they had more knowledge on systems and such. If you have your mind on passing and studying you'll make it. Also the mentality of "I'm gonna do anything to not go back to maintenance" will get you through. Even when things get a little tough.

BigBaze
01-06-2009, 09:59 PM
Hello everyone!

I just wanted to thank everyone for making this the ultimate source of info!
I know there are a lot of silent readers, so I wanted to let you know that I was updated to status 5 yesterday with a less than perfect record of conduct, on the first review board!

So, if you are holding back because of something similar.......don't! As long as it is in the past, you have learned your mistakes and have been excelling ever since....don't give up!
I am heading tomorrow to re-enlistments and hopefully get a good answer on the SRBs. I'll post my class dates as soon as I receive them and hopefully I can get in touch with my future classmates.
Good luck to all and thanks for the support!

Cheers!


Good luck to you, unless things have changed you will not get the SRB until you reenlist for a second time in the FE career field. In other words they make you reenlist to get the 48 months retainability before graduating BFE, and you have to reenlist in your prior AFSC, at least that is what I had to do. I checked every loophole and there wasn't any.

BigBaze
01-06-2009, 10:01 PM
Hey I'm prior sheet metal too. It's a big change in jobs and I love it so far. Had my sim checkride three weeks ago now and now awaiting to go to the FTU. Just remember to study study study.. The crewchiefs I went through BFE with had a little advantage over me since they had more knowledge on systems and such. If you have your mind on passing and studying you'll make it. Also the mentality of "I'm gonna do anything to not go back to maintenance" will get you through. Even when things get a little tough.

Hey Dub, been away for a bit I didn't catch what airframe you got, I get my Kc10 sim checkride on Thursday

dub13
01-06-2009, 10:24 PM
Hey Dub, been away for a bit I didn't catch what airframe you got, I get my Kc10 sim checkride on Thursday

I'm over here at Tinker on the AWACS. It's a good airframe. I likes!!! The FTU is backed up over here. They still aren't sure when we are going over there yet. So the other student FE and I are on casual until then..:rolleyes:
I just can't wait to get the ball rolling and start flying!

jparker
01-07-2009, 05:25 AM
Good luck to you, unless things have changed you will not get the SRB until you reenlist for a second time in the FE career field. In other words they make you reenlist to get the 48 months retainability before graduating BFE, and you have to reenlist in your prior AFSC, at least that is what I had to do. I checked every loophole and there wasn't any.

Hmm thats not what happended to me, i just went through this 3 weeks ago.

I just reenlisted when you do it you will reenlist under FE and you will get the lessor of the two bonuses ( between FE 2.0, and your current AFSC)

I am a Crew cheif which is a 2.5 right now, but i reenlisted into FE and got the 2.0.

skyrat77
01-07-2009, 09:44 AM
"I am a Crew cheif which is a 2.5 right now, but i reenlisted into FE and got the 2.0."

jparker,

Could you tell me how much $$ you got and for how many years was this SRB. Thanks!

JP26
01-07-2009, 05:42 PM
Hmm thats not what happended to me, i just went through this 3 weeks ago.

I just reenlisted when you do it you will reenlist under FE and you will get the lessor of the two bonuses ( between FE 2.0, and your current AFSC)

I am a Crew cheif which is a 2.5 right now, but i reenlisted into FE and got the 2.0.

Really? The people I went through totally messed that up. They said there was no way I could get a bonus because I fall into a grey area. Is there a way to go back and get it?

Fissie
01-07-2009, 08:57 PM
Hey Fissie, Nice to hear from you. Actually I am the one that is going to be doing the cross training. My husband is also military so he will be going to Vegas with me and working in the maintenance squadron for the helos. We final out the end of this month. I can't wait. I don't start training till April so I will be doing some odd jobs around the squadron till I leave. Are you guys buying a house? We are looking into doing that because the prices are so good right now. Unfortunately a lot of areas around Nellis are not very safe so we are spending a lot of time researching different areas. We both have British cars right now so we wont be shipping anything home. After hearing about the sales tax, I am glad we don't have to :) Did you get a sponsor yet? I called a couple of months ago and they gave me one. The people in the squadron seem really nice and helpful!!!

Well good luck with everything. I will let you know if I hear about anything else about moving:) See you in Vegas:)

That was silly of me to assume your husband was the one that was retraining. My Hubby is in the same situation. We'll be in Vegas in Apr. but his classes dont start until June. Should be interesting, wonder what they'll make you guys do....heh heh! We're going to buy a house eventually too, but probably not until he gets done w/ the first block of the training....so Sept-Oct time frame. He's worried that if he washes out, they'll send him somewhere else and we'll be stuck this house that we've just bought. I'm really excited about the market in LV right now though, looks like the prime time to buy. I've heard the same about picking your neighborhood wisely. There have been a lot of houses built out there in the last 5 yrs.....but not all are in the best of areas.
He doesnt have a sponsor yet no. I've been telling him he should just call, but he's not listening.
The best news I've had this week, I found out that in NV if we register the tax-free car we bought over here as "military non-residents" we are exempt from paying the tax on it. There is a form you can print off from the internet, that has to be signed by your commander and submitted w/ your registration every year. Pretty easy. Looks like we'll be keeping our IL residency.....and saving $2700 in taxes! Yes sir! I guess CO is the same way also for anyone listening in.
Good luck on your house hunting!!

JP26
01-07-2009, 09:38 PM
That was silly of me to assume your husband was the one that was retraining. My Hubby is in the same situation. We'll be in Vegas in Apr. but his classes dont start until June. Should be interesting, wonder what they'll make you guys do....heh heh! We're going to buy a house eventually too, but probably not until he gets done w/ the first block of the training....so Sept-Oct time frame. He's worried that if he washes out, they'll send him somewhere else and we'll be stuck this house that we've just bought. I'm really excited about the market in LV right now though, looks like the prime time to buy. I've heard the same about picking your neighborhood wisely. There have been a lot of houses built out there in the last 5 yrs.....but not all are in the best of areas.
He doesnt have a sponsor yet no. I've been telling him he should just call, but he's not listening.
The best news I've had this week, I found out that in NV if we register the tax-free car we bought over here as "military non-residents" we are exempt from paying the tax on it. There is a form you can print off from the internet, that has to be signed by your commander and submitted w/ your registration every year. Pretty easy. Looks like we'll be keeping our IL residency.....and saving $2700 in taxes! Yes sir! I guess CO is the same way also for anyone listening in.
Good luck on your house hunting!!

I am glad your car situation worked out for you. I understand how your husband feels about being weary about not passing the tech school. As far as I know you just go back to the job you are at and if they have that job at Nellis, I am sure they would send you there instead of paying to PCS you again. The thought of going back to maintenance is definitely what is going to encourage me to finish my training. I am sure which ever route you take on buying a house will work out great. There is no sign of the prices skyrocketing anytime soon, so you all should be fine, I am no realtor though :) I called the 66th about 3 months or maybe a lil more out and they were really nice. They were actually surprised I had not got a sponsor yet so they sent me an email immediately the next day and got all my training dates from me so they could put it in with their training section. I talked to another guy who was from overseas and went there and he said they just had him working around the office and let him check out the aircraft, and showed him a couple of things. Hopefully it goes that smooth for us!!

imported_tmckinley
01-07-2009, 10:05 PM
Hey I'm prior sheet metal too. It's a big change in jobs and I love it so far. Had my sim checkride three weeks ago now and now awaiting to go to the FTU. Just remember to study study study.. The crewchiefs I went through BFE with had a little advantage over me since they had more knowledge on systems and such. If you have your mind on passing and studying you'll make it. Also the mentality of "I'm gonna do anything to not go back to maintenance" will get you through. Even when things get a little tough.


So I was finally able to get AFPC to pull their heads from their rear side today. They kept giving me a bogus reason why I couldnt retrain, but I kept telling them to give me the AFI and such from where they were getting their info. About 5 min later my request to retrain was approved. :D So I went by the clinic and tried to get my class III, they told me since I had one done in 07 I didnt have to get one, they are good for three years...:cheers: I am working on my ETP letter then I will scan everythng to AFPC.

So my questions are
1. My ETP has to say I am cross training with an SRB, Have any of yall had this one, and What does it need to say...Mne says I understand I am cross traininng out of a CF with a 1 and into one with a 2
2. After I send it to AFPC what is the process I know it can take up to 120 days for approval, but who approves it? What are the chances of disapproval?

Thanks in advance for the help.

dub13
01-07-2009, 11:57 PM
Tmckinley you don't need to do an ETP letter. Sheet metal is a 2A career field. You would have to do an ETP if you came from some non feeder AFSC like medical or comm... So don't waste your time.
And if you have to reenlist you wont get the 1A1 SRB until the next time you reenlist. I reenlisted last March before I went through BFE and I didn't get shit. I talked with the reenlistment office about all this and the answer is no.

imported_tmckinley
01-08-2009, 12:12 AM
Tmckinley you don't need to do an ETP letter. Sheet metal is a 2A career field. You would have to do an ETP if you came from some non feeder AFSC like medical or comm... So don't waste your time.
And if you have to reenlist you wont get the 1A1 SRB until the next time you reenlist. I reenlisted last March before I went through BFE and I didn't get shit. I talked with the reenlistment office about all this and the answer is no.

Thanks. My CCS has already started routing the letter, I only had to provide the information.

When I talked to reenlistments today they told me that I could extend my current enlistment and as long as I got thru training and everything before my current DOS I could reenlist once I am awarded the AFSC and I would reenlist as a 1A1 and not 2A and I would recieve the SRB. But if I dont get the SRB oh well, the money would be nice but not as nice as being done with maintenance would be.

imported_Lukas
01-08-2009, 02:41 AM
This is my first post. In VMPF it shows my status as a (5); how long does it take to get a class seat? Anyone Know??

icetrey
01-08-2009, 02:42 AM
Howdy Folks! It sounds like it's really working out for everyone, that's great to hear. If anyone iis having trouble or getting frustrated with their application just hang in there, stay determined, and keep your eye on the prize. I start Fundies at the end of the month, with everything else except Water Survival there after....and I started this whole process a year ago next month.

I do however have a concern I soliciting for advice on. Since I'm leaving here in a couple of weeks, I will be WAPS testing out of cycle, possibly between my scheduled school and Airframe school if there's enough of a break. MPF is telling me even though I will WAPS test out of cycle, I still will not be SKT exempt, since they're telling me I'm entering re-training 29 Jan....which is after 31 Dec. This is so, even considering I WENT to Water Survival 1 Dec. I'm sure I cant be the only one in this perdicament....and maybe brining this to the attention of other's on this thread that will be starting class this month too. I'm waving the BS flag at my CSS and MPF with no luck...and don't trying to find the time to dig in their regs. How they can make me test my old career field, months after I'm a 3-level Engineer is beyond me. Thoughts, advice, comments?

imported_Lukas
01-08-2009, 02:43 AM
icetrey, it is the Air Force, it will never make any sense to me.

imported_Lukas
01-08-2009, 02:57 AM
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In VMPF it shows my status as a (5); how long does it take to get a class seat? Anyone Know??

c5engineer
01-08-2009, 03:43 AM
So I was finally able to get AFPC to pull their heads from their rear side today. They kept giving me a bogus reason why I couldnt retrain, but I kept telling them to give me the AFI and such from where they were getting their info. About 5 min later my request to retrain was approved. :D So I went by the clinic and tried to get my class III, they told me since I had one done in 07 I didnt have to get one, they are good for three years...:cheers: I am working on my ETP letter then I will scan everythng to AFPC.

So my questions are
1. My ETP has to say I am cross training with an SRB, Have any of yall had this one, and What does it need to say...Mne says I understand I am cross traininng out of a CF with a 1 and into one with a 2
2. After I send it to AFPC what is the process I know it can take up to 120 days for approval, but who approves it? What are the chances of disapproval?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Since you asked for the AFI for retraining you should ensure the AFI governing flight physicals says three years. If you look at your 1042 it should say it expires on the last day of your birth month. I've never heard of a flight physical good for three years, if it was I wouldn't have had to get one as my last one was a year and a half ago. Nor would I have had to have gotten one for the last thirteen years. In fact, according to the AFI, which the Wright-Pat flt medicine showed me when I asked states that if yours expires and becomes 18 months old they can require an entire initial flying physical. I asked them because I had a medical record with 14 physicals in it, two ekg's and chest x-rays and I've got 4k hours flying and they required me to do it all. Just check your 1042 and make sure. If you get to your initial qual FTU and your physical is expired they'll send you home to get one as they don't accomplish them for non-permanent party personnel unless your a high ranker with extenuating circumstances. That is an AETC policy. Look on ETCA for the course requirements once you get through BFE and it will inform you of this possibility.

Here is what AFI 48-123V4 5 June 2006 states in Chapter 1: 1.1.1.2. All flight physicals are still to be performed annually by the end of an individual’s birth
month. I'm not trying to bust your chops, I just don't want you to get held up when the time comes. It may get by AFPC, but it won't get by the flight med folks when you inprocess into your FTU. The first day they collect 1042s and put you on a medical hold, which clears when they have verified your not DNIF. Good Luck to you and don't give up if there is a hiccup.

dub13
01-08-2009, 03:49 AM
This is my first post. In VMPF it shows my status as a (5); how long does it take to get a class seat? Anyone Know??

When I got mine way back it only took like only 4 days or something. It was pretty quick

imported_llkeithll
01-08-2009, 09:57 PM
Hello,
I am a 2M053 right now and I am considering early retraining. I am hitting my two year mark out of four years here Jan 16 2009. I really want to be a flight engineer but my supervisor is trying to talk me out of it and has also had the career adviser call me and tell me I had no chance because I was early retraining. They told me they rack and stack you based on rank and that alone and since I am only a A1C right now that I would not get chosen. Should I wait and not early retrain or try for it and see what happens. If I try for it now they say I will not get another chance to retrain if I get denied now.

Keith

BigBaze
01-08-2009, 10:46 PM
Hello,
I am a 2M053 right now and I am considering early retraining. I am hitting my two year mark out of four years here Jan 16 2009. I really want to be a flight engineer but my supervisor is trying to talk me out of it and has also had the career adviser call me and tell me I had no chance because I was early retraining. They told me they rack and stack you based on rank and that alone and since I am only a A1C right now that I would not get chosen. Should I wait and not early retrain or try for it and see what happens. If I try for it now they say I will not get another chance to retrain if I get denied now.

Keith


First of all, welcome to the thread. Second of all, don't let anyone talk you out of retraining if that is what you want to do, remember it is YOUR career! I am not sure about a 4 year enlistee, I am a 6 year enlistee and was able to early retrain at 3 years. Get with your local MPF or try calling AFPC or someone else in your situation could answer better. I am pretty sure you do not have enough time in yet being an A1C, but get with AFPC and ask them.

imported_llkeithll
01-08-2009, 10:52 PM
I came in as a A1C Jan 16 2007. FTA CAREERS early retraining is allowed at the half-way point (4 year enlistee can apply upon completion of 24 months of service; 6 year enlistees can apply upon completion of 36 months of service)

imported_tyler88s10
01-09-2009, 12:49 AM
To the guys who are worried about what people tell them about early retraining.....DONT LISTEN TO ANYONE but THE REG! The regs are there so dig into them...they will layout what you can and cant do...they are there for a reason. Everyone and there brother told me i couldnt do it.....that was until i got fed up with people getting in my way...i took charge, told them to bite me, and now im a STATUS 5 Awaiting class seats. All you can do is try...so whats it gonna hurt..plus now is the time because they are in great need. ITS YOUR CAREER NOT THEIRS. Now everyone i work with is jealous..all do to my hardwork and dont give up attitude.

imported_CV22chief
01-09-2009, 02:45 AM
So I was finally able to get AFPC to pull their heads from their rear side today. They kept giving me a bogus reason why I couldnt retrain, but I kept telling them to give me the AFI and such from where they were getting their info. About 5 min later my request to retrain was approved. :D So I went by the clinic and tried to get my class III, they told me since I had one done in 07 I didnt have to get one, they are good for three years...:cheers: I am working on my ETP letter then I will scan everythng to AFPC.

So my questions are
1. My ETP has to say I am cross training with an SRB, Have any of yall had this one, and What does it need to say...Mne says I understand I am cross traininng out of a CF with a 1 and into one with a 2
2. After I send it to AFPC what is the process I know it can take up to 120 days for approval, but who approves it? What are the chances of disapproval?

Thanks in advance for the help.


Hey everyone, new to the forum. Alot of good info and advice on this thread. thanks a lot. I just submitted my package to my commander. so waiting on him. Hope once he signs it everything moves quick.

Tmckinley

Hey man, I'd check in to that Flight Physical thing. Not positive but I think the physical has to be done with in the last 6 months to be good for retraining. Dont listen to the med people...they dont usually know what they are talking about...haha

c5engineer
01-09-2009, 03:06 AM
CV22, for FTU requirements your physical must not expire until 30 days after your expected grad date in case training is delayed for whatever reason. Otherwise it's good for one year and expires on the last day of your birth month. I'm not sure how AFPC looks at the physical when retraining takes place. When I cross-trained in 1992 my physical had to be current, but that may have changed.

BigBaze
01-09-2009, 04:31 AM
I came in as a A1C Jan 16 2007. FTA CAREERS early retraining is allowed at the half-way point (4 year enlistee can apply upon completion of 24 months of service; 6 year enlistees can apply upon completion of 36 months of service)


Have you gone on Virtual MPF and formally submitted a request for retraining? You can slot in like 5 different jobs and AFPC will shoot you back an email in a couple days stating which ones you are eligible to apply for! Don't listen to any supervisor or anyone trying to talk you out of it, mine did the same and I busted my ass by myself to get everything done and damn has it been worth it!

dub13
01-09-2009, 04:44 AM
I just submitted my package to my commander.


You gonna try and get back on the CV-22? I assume you are a crew chief on them since that is your username... Also when I went through BFE the instructors were saying that only the CV-22 crew chiefs were able to go back to that airframe straight outta BFE if that's what they wanted.. I went to one grad when I was there with a prior 22 crew chief going back to them. Also heard from the instructors that there were 1 or 2 other guys before that going back to them.. I think that would be a sweet airframe

Gunner7
01-09-2009, 12:45 PM
Hello,
I am a 2M053 right now and I am considering early retraining. I am hitting my two year mark out of four years here Jan 16 2009. I really want to be a flight engineer but my supervisor is trying to talk me out of it and has also had the career adviser call me and tell me I had no chance because I was early retraining. They told me they rack and stack you based on rank and that alone and since I am only a A1C right now that I would not get chosen. Should I wait and not early retrain or try for it and see what happens. If I try for it now they say I will not get another chance to retrain if I get denied now.

Keith

Keith,
The only reason your supervisor and CAA are telling you to wait is because they are concerned about you torching your CAREERS retraining opportunity at a time when FTA slots are a limited to only two of the flying AFSCs. Flight Engineer and Flight Attendant. If you wait until Feb-Mar timeframe the FY 10 slots will drop into the advisory and you should see spots for Boom, Load, Gunner, Airborne Ops, and Mission Systems Specialist. Expect to see ~150 Flight Engineer positions loaded as well. A FTA does not enter their CAREERS retraining window until 13 months before DOS but you can apply to retrain early into critical AFSCs halfway through your first enlistment with an ETP. Remember also that while AFPC can encourage you to list five AFSCs on the initial request, you should only list what you are sure you want to do. If that is only two AFSCs then so be it.

BigBaze
01-09-2009, 01:58 PM
You gonna try and get back on the CV-22? I assume you are a crew chief on them since that is your username... Also when I went through BFE the instructors were saying that only the CV-22 crew chiefs were able to go back to that airframe straight outta BFE if that's what they wanted.. I went to one grad when I was there with a prior 22 crew chief going back to them. Also heard from the instructors that there were 1 or 2 other guys before that going back to them.. I think that would be a sweet airframe


There was an email that came out a few months back offering a slot to an experienced FE up here at McGuire and one TSgt from the other squadron took it..

imported_tyler88s10
01-09-2009, 05:50 PM
Hello all my fellow X-Traines and Flight crew. I was just recently accepted to crosstrain into FLIGHT ENGINEER. I just recieved a STATUS 5 on monday. Does anyone have a round figure to when you get bumped up to a STATUS 6 with class dates? Thanks

imported_llkeithll
01-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Hey Tyler,
What was the timeline of getting to status 5? Like when was the date you submitted your request to training until getting to the point your at now?

imported_tyler88s10
01-09-2009, 09:55 PM
i put my packet in on december 19. It was a status 5 on Jan 5. The board meets the last duty day of the month. My situation was a little different. The CEM called me when i emailed im a couple days ago and said that AFPC got a waiver to bring in 16 people out of the board selection cycle. So i did not meet a traditional board, they chose the first 16 qualified people and accepted them. In March, word on the street is there will be 150 more slots added for FTA. If you get your packet in soon, you could meet the Jan board and find out if you made that one by the end of feb. Odds are if your qualified and have a good record..you will make it on the first board.If you have any questions at all on how i speed up the process or how i can help you just let me know. TYLER:)

imported_tmckinley
01-09-2009, 11:01 PM
I got all my paperwork back today from the Med Group. I just scanned everything into MY STUFF and I am waiting on my Commanders Endorsment then I will be waiting on the board to meet. Hopefully all goes well. I will just have to wait and see...I hate waiting. But oh well...Thanks everyone for the help and also answering my questions, I will keep yall informed.

imported_CV22chief
01-09-2009, 11:21 PM
You gonna try and get back on the CV-22? I assume you are a crew chief on them since that is your username... Also when I went through BFE the instructors were saying that only the CV-22 crew chiefs were able to go back to that airframe straight outta BFE if that's what they wanted.. I went to one grad when I was there with a prior 22 crew chief going back to them. Also heard from the instructors that there were 1 or 2 other guys before that going back to them.. I think that would be a sweet airframe

Yeah I will probably try to get back here to the cv22. Its a tough decision, whether to stay here or try something else. I've been on helicopters my whole career. I wanted to get on the MH-53, but too late for that. Guess we will see what happens.

:mad: Still waiting on the commander...he is making me mad. he's had it for a week now!!!

TheMrs
01-10-2009, 12:01 AM
Yeah I will probably try to get back here to the cv22. Its a tough decision, whether to stay here or try something else. I've been on helicopters my whole career. I wanted to get on the MH-53, but too late for that. Guess we will see what happens.

:mad: Still waiting on the commander...he is making me mad. he's had it for a week now!!!

are you at kirtland?

imported_CV22chief
01-10-2009, 01:29 AM
are you at kirtland?

No I'm at Hurlburt field

TheMrs
01-10-2009, 03:21 AM
No I'm at Hurlburt field

Oh ok. The husband was a crew chief on 53s and was supposed to go to the cv22 until he crosstrained to FE. Now he's on the uh1n. Good luck with everything!

jparker
01-10-2009, 04:20 AM
"I am a Crew cheif which is a 2.5 right now, but i reenlisted into FE and got the 2.0."

jparker,

Could you tell me how much $$ you got and for how many years was this SRB. Thanks!

Yeah you will get 8400 up front and 1600 or so every year after, that is if you did five years. Watch reenlistments and finance though, they jacked up my paperwork and put me down for a 2.5 and as soon as i got the email i called them and had them make the change to 2.0...........well some how those idiots paid me a 2.5 and the govt already taxed me for the 2.5. The woman at finance said since it was the end of the year she couldnt take it back so i had to give up 700 extra dollars out of my 8400 to try to 'offset my taxes.' That is what she told me, so im sure my taxes are all jacked up, and on top of that listen to this..............I got my bonus on 25 dec, it was 7600, then on Dec 31 i get paid 4200! that is 2800 more than a normal check for me, then yesterday Jan 8 i get a random deposit of 2800 from DFAS................WTF!!!!!!! my shit is so messed up guys!!! Please pay attention to your paperwork, and if they say they fixed it dont believe them, go to their supervisor, and ask them if they opened up a 'CMS case with AFPC.'

BigBaze
01-10-2009, 03:18 PM
Yeah you will get 8400 up front and 1600 or so every year after, that is if you did five years. Watch reenlistments and finance though, they jacked up my paperwork and put me down for a 2.5 and as soon as i got the email i called them and had them make the change to 2.0...........well some how those idiots paid me a 2.5 and the govt already taxed me for the 2.5. The woman at finance said since it was the end of the year she couldnt take it back so i had to give up 700 extra dollars out of my 8400 to try to 'offset my taxes.' That is what she told me, so im sure my taxes are all jacked up, and on top of that listen to this..............I got my bonus on 25 dec, it was 7600, then on Dec 31 i get paid 4200! that is 2800 more than a normal check for me, then yesterday Jan 8 i get a random deposit of 2800 from DFAS................WTF!!!!!!! my shit is so messed up guys!!! Please pay attention to your paperwork, and if they say they fixed it dont believe them, go to their supervisor, and ask them if they opened up a 'CMS case with AFPC.'


That sucks I did not get the FE bonus:(