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Golther
09-28-2010, 06:55 PM
I would have to say all of my sims have been pretty interesting, except a few of them. Must be hard to look at a side panel all the time.

ctk_troll
09-28-2010, 07:28 PM
woot, fundies oct 15th and undergraduate nov 4th.

airforceairman
09-28-2010, 11:11 PM
So, I got my class dates today!! Problem though. I am currently deployed and I won't be back until around 1 Dec. My class dates start 8 Oct for Fundies. I called AFPC and asked if I could get a class date change and the girl that I talked to acted like she didn't know anything. Anybody have any experience with this? It is hard to get a class date change? Thanks!

xCHICOx
09-29-2010, 12:30 AM
Call back again, you will probably get somebody with a brain this time. Explain your situation and they will get your dates changed. If that doesn't work you can send it electronically via My Stuff and you will have a case opened up. This will probably take a little longer but you can track the status of your question. GL.

xCHICOx
09-29-2010, 12:40 AM
If any of you guys are getting KC10's here at McGuire, the squadrons will automatically hook you up with flight suits/patches, green jacket, pubs bags etc (you get a leather jacket once you become mission qual) so if you want to avoid the pain of asking your losing squadron for the gear just hang loose. If you are coming to the 2nd ARS shoot me a PM and we can get your stuff lined up, the best way is to go to your base supply and find out what size flight suit/jacket you wear so they can order them up here if they don't have your size. Our supply guy is awesome, he automatically got rehired as a GS doing the same job when he retired. Good luck!

Thanks for the info!!! I'm headed that way and I think I'm going to the 2nd as well.

airforceairman
09-30-2010, 02:05 AM
So, I got my dates changed! I have Air Crew Fundies on Jan 11, 2011 and BFE on Feb 1, 2011. Had to work it from a few different angles but got it done pretty quickly. Now I just have to endure a couple more months of this deployment and after that, on to training! To those who are in the process, keep it up. Its worth the wait once you finally get those class dates! Took me 6 months but it was well worth it.

BigBaze
09-30-2010, 03:50 AM
awesome, let me know, just had a brand new guy show up today and he is going to start the pre course at the end of the month, we are just getting him settled in, he actually is going to sit in on my sim on Friday.

BigBaze
09-30-2010, 03:56 AM
awesome, let me know, just had a brand new guy show up today and he is going to start the pre course at the end of the month, we are just getting him settled in, he actually is going to sit in on my sim on Friday.


woops, didn't use the quotes, this was for Chico

Big Sal
10-01-2010, 03:49 AM
I got my 6 status today. Im so happy. I wonder where I will be PCSing? Im overseas with a DEROS of NOV 15 10 so I should be getting an assignment here soon.I wont have much time for outprocessing but its will be all worth it, I will take the stress of a quick PCS. Good Luck to every one still waiting. Here are my dates, if anyone is going to class around these times hit me up.

Projected Course Name: Aircrew Fundamentals-Flight Engineer

Projected Course Number: L3AQR1A111 01AA

Projected Course Start Date: 11 JAN 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 31 JAN 2011


Projected Course Name: Basic Flight Engineer - Undergraduate Flying Training

Projected Course Number: L3ALR1A131 048B

Projected Course Start Date: 01 FEB 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 15 MAR 2011

airforceairman
10-01-2010, 05:06 AM
Hey man, I'll be there the same time! You coming from overseas? I'm stationed at little rock right now and hoping to get back here to stay on C-130's. Shouldn't be too hard. Unfortunately at the moment though, I'm stuck at the Deed on the deployment. Be home in December though. Gives me a month at home before heading out again. Oh well. Congrats on getting the spot! Look forward to seeing ya there!

Big Sal
10-01-2010, 05:54 AM
Hey man, I'll be there the same time! You coming from overseas? I'm stationed at little rock right now and hoping to get back here to stay on C-130's. Shouldn't be too hard. Unfortunately at the moment though, I'm stuck at the Deed on the deployment. Be home in December though. Gives me a month at home before heading out again. Oh well. Congrats on getting the spot! Look forward to seeing ya there!


Hey I used to be stationed at The Rock, I was a BlackJack(53rd) many moons ago, I think its Blue section now.What section are you in? Im guessing Red. I happy you like it there I was definatly ready to move on when I PCSed from there. Its a diferrent world overseas(Okinawa).I love it, but after 3 years Im ready to leave here now too so we'll see where I end up. Congrats to you too,good luck on the rest of your stay in the sand box and I will see you in class.

airforceairman
10-01-2010, 07:34 AM
Yeah, I heard Japan was pretty cool. Got a couple guys here trying to get there. Unfortunately, I got stuck in backshop when I PCS'd to Little Rock. So I work at the ERRC (engine backshop). But I've learned a few things there that should help me out in the FE seat. So far, been a pretty good deployment over here though. Made Staff and got my retraining approved so can't complain too much. Thanks for the well wishes and I'll see in a few months!

airforceairman
10-05-2010, 02:24 AM
Quick question to everyone out there. I am currently stationed at Little Rock and have whats called a "Q Code" on my profile which is a EFMP thing. It prevents me from being stationed at a base that does not have to proper facilities for my kids medical conditions. I am trying to hopefully stay on c-130's so I can just stay here at Little Rock. So I guess my question is: How hard is it to get C-130's as an airframe if you request it? I've heard its pretty easy but I figured I would ask anyways. I have fundies in January so if anyone out there has the same class date, let me know. I plan on taking my car down there with me so I can give somebody a ride. Thanks!

dtl
10-06-2010, 01:59 PM
So I started working on retraining in May (flight physical and all the paperwork required), submitted my application in August, got returned because they gave me the wrong paperwork to get filled out, resubmitted in September, got approved last week, and got my class date today. First class date is in 2 weeks! I feel like a kid on christmas morning.

JLE
10-06-2010, 02:02 PM
Dang that quick? I am submitting my package today (NCORP) with an ETP for balanced AFSC. I was thinking it would be sometime later next year if approved.

dtl
10-06-2010, 02:13 PM
I know! I was very surprised and very thankful. I was reading through here and some people wait many months just to start there classes. My shop sure isnt happy, lolz.

Brodkill
10-08-2010, 09:06 PM
What are the qualifications you need? I'm currently in the 2X career field and looking go retrain soon.

bcoco14
10-09-2010, 08:27 AM
Its not like there are 200+ pages of info for you?? Do some reaserch then ask questions, It's only going to help you in the long run.

Golther
10-09-2010, 04:43 PM
Their are always 130 position available. Ask the CEA in-service recruiter or the functional manager.

JLE
10-12-2010, 01:45 PM
What are the qualifications you need? I'm currently in the 2X career field and looking go retrain soon.

Basically, you need to complete the IFC III in order to submit a package to start with (takes the longest). Find out if you need an ETP letter (reading on here)... Have all that ready, so when your physical is done you can upload it that day. If an ETP is needed, don’t wait to get started on it. Your leadership, if they are anything like mine, will want to change it...with every person that looks over it.

If you wear glasses / contacts, you can speed up the eye exam portion of your physical by going 30 days w/o contacts prior to them telling you (cyclo something exam - dilate your eyes)... My physical took approx. 2 months from start to finish due to 30 days of it waiting for this eye exam. Any questions regarding the eye exam portion pm me.

JLE
10-12-2010, 01:45 PM
What are the qualifications you need? I'm currently in the 2X career field and looking go retrain soon.

Basically, you need to complete the IFC III in order to submit a package to start with (takes the longest). Find out if you need an ETP letter (reading on here)... Have all that ready, so when your physical is done you can upload it that day. If an ETP is needed, don’t wait to get started on it. Your leadership, if they are anything like mine, will want to change it...with every person that looks over it.

If you wear glasses / contacts, you can speed up the eye exam portion of your physical by going 30 days w/o contacts prior to them telling you (cyclo something exam - dilate your eyes)... My physical took approx. 2 months from start to finish due to 30 days of it waiting for this eye exam. Any questions regarding the eye exam portion pm me.

dtl
10-17-2010, 11:08 PM
So funny story.

I got my class dates 2 weeks ago. They are this week.

My DOS is next summer.

I'm reading that I need 36 months retainability so I need to reenlist. That should be do-able in 2 days right? If not then I guess there going to cancel my retraining and not allow me to reenlist? Are FTA allowed to extend 30 months?

airforceairman
10-18-2010, 01:05 AM
Two days in cutting it pretty close. You may be able to hand carry everything and get it done but I have been working on mine for about 1 week now and still havn't heard anything back yet. FTA are only allowed to extend for 23 months max. I am having to do the same thing. I guess you need 48 months retainibility after your tech school grad to accept the retraining. That is what AFPC told me anyway. Good luck!

dtl
10-18-2010, 01:32 AM
The funny thing is that I have the orders to go TDY for the training but I didnt have the retainability to go. Is it possible to reenlist at Lackland or when I get there (if I do go) will they tell me to go home?

Golther
10-18-2010, 01:37 AM
The funny thing is that I have the orders to go TDY for the training but I didnt have the retainability to go. Is it possible to reenlist at Lackland or when I get there (if I do go) will they tell me to go home?

You will be told to go home.

Golther
10-18-2010, 01:37 AM
The funny thing is that I have the orders to go TDY for the training but I didnt have the retainability to go. Is it possible to reenlist at Lackland or when I get there (if I do go) will they tell me to go home?

You will be told to go home.

dtl
10-18-2010, 01:42 AM
think itd be possible to change my class date if I dont get the reenlistment in time?

airforceairman
10-18-2010, 01:43 AM
You can get a later class date but you only have 30 days from the day that you receive notification that you have been approved to get your reenlistment or extension.

dtl
10-18-2010, 01:56 AM
thank you both

BigBaze
10-18-2010, 03:43 AM
The funny thing is that I have the orders to go TDY for the training but I didnt have the retainability to go. Is it possible to reenlist at Lackland or when I get there (if I do go) will they tell me to go home?

They let me reenlist down there, I went and found a 2Lt at the MPF to carry it out, but that was in 2008

BigBaze
10-18-2010, 03:43 AM
The funny thing is that I have the orders to go TDY for the training but I didnt have the retainability to go. Is it possible to reenlist at Lackland or when I get there (if I do go) will they tell me to go home?

They let me reenlist down there, I went and found a 2Lt at the MPF to carry it out, but that was in 2008

dtl
10-18-2010, 08:11 PM
I got everything done! Texas here I come.

BlueJeep89
10-21-2010, 07:29 AM
Feb 1st got my class date see yall there!

JLE
10-21-2010, 12:32 PM
Feb 1st got my class date see yall there!

No class dates for myself as of yet. However, I have been approved for 1A111.

Edited: Looks like I start 5 Nov. I was not expecting to start so soon.

mad_cap_1
10-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Good day for me! After many months of getting everything together and waiting for AFPC, I logged in to my account to day to find out that I finally went status 5 for 1A1 today. No clue when I will get class dates or when they will be, but just getting past the AFPC defensive line is success enough for me lol. Good luck to everyone out there still trying.

123456789
10-26-2010, 11:12 PM
Hello everyone, can anyone tell me how long the message below will take on the norm. Thanks

"Your request for exception to policy has been forwarded to BPO. You will be notified when it is complete."

mad_cap_1
10-27-2010, 07:07 AM
Hello everyone, can anyone tell me how long the message below will take on the norm. Thanks

"Your request for exception to policy has been forwarded to BPO. You will be notified when it is complete."

Mine literally took one minute.

On 10/08/2010 08:03 AM Total Force Service Center - San Antonio responded:


Your completed ETP application has been sent to the AFPC Retraining Office for final processing. It can take up to 90-120 days before your application is approved/disapproved.

You can track the status of your application via vMPF using the following path:

Self-Service Actions, Retraining, Retraining Application Status Inquiry.

Status “3” is pending approval or disapproval action
Status “5” is tentative approval, allow up to 6 weeks for allocation of class seats
Status “6” is approved, class seats allocated

If the status changes from a “3” to blank, then your retraining application was disapproved. You will receive a disapproval notice from your Commander Support Staff or Military Personnel Section that will state the specific disapproval reason.

On 10/08/2010 08:02 AM an Auto Response sent:

Your application has been referred to the AFPC Business Process Owner (BPO). You will be notified via email when the BPO has made a decision on your case.

If you require assistance or do not understand the available options, please contact the Total Force Service Center at DSN 665-5000 or toll-free (800) 525-0102 or you may submit a question via "E-mail Us" at the following link: "https://gum.afpc.randolph.af.mil/cgi-bin/askafpc.cfg/php/enduser/ps_info_adp.php?p_faqid=12808"

JLE
10-27-2010, 03:30 PM
Good day for me! After many months of getting everything together and waiting for AFPC, I logged in to my account to day to find out that I finally went status 5 for 1A1 today. No clue when I will get class dates or when they will be, but just getting past the AFPC defensive line is success enough for me lol. Good luck to everyone out there still trying.

Mine were loaded the next day... i checked my status at 0500 pacific time and by 0630 I had class dates. 5 Nov 10 at that.... I was shocked to say the least. Talk about last minute.

JLE
10-27-2010, 03:52 PM
Hello everyone, can anyone tell me how long the message below will take on the norm. Thanks

"Your request for exception to policy has been forwarded to BPO. You will be notified when it is complete."

This process took two weeks for myself. I submitted an ETP for a balanced AFSC as well.

mad_cap_1
10-28-2010, 09:31 PM
Your Retraining Application Status is APPROVED - AFPC(6) as of 28 OCT 2010.

Retraining AFSC: 1A111

Projected Course Name: Aircrew Fundamentals-Flight Engineer

Projected Course Number: L3AQR1A111 01AA

Projected Course Start Date: 12 NOV 2010

Projected Course Graduation Date: 02 DEC 2010


Projected Course Name: Basic Flight Engineer - Undergraduate Flying Training

Projected Course Number: L3ALR1A131 048B

Projected Course Start Date: 03 DEC 2010

Projected Course Graduation Date: 24 JAN 2011



YAY. Anyone else have these class dates?

123456789
10-29-2010, 02:56 PM
Thanks guys, and congrats, I hope to be hearing something soon, my ETP was sent to the BPO on the 19th. All this waiting really sucks; it took 6 months for medical to do their job.

mad_cap_1
11-02-2010, 02:45 PM
Quick question. What did everyone due to get authorized to drive down to Texas? Right now my unit is telling me that I will have to fly down, but they won't give me a rental car. Due to non-availability, I won't be staying on base anywhere and the hotel I reserved isn't exactly close to the school house. Any input or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

bcoco14
11-02-2010, 04:03 PM
Quick question. What did everyone due to get authorized to drive down to Texas? Right now my unit is telling me that I will have to fly down, but they won't give me a rental car. Due to non-availability, I won't be staying on base anywhere and the hotel I reserved isn't exactly close to the school house. Any input or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Your unit is wrong, go to finance and they will tell you how many travel days you are authorized to drive. You will only get paid for 1 travel day each way.

mad_cap_1
11-02-2010, 04:23 PM
I have already been told if I were to drive I would get 4 travel days, but they won't amend my orders.

bcoco14
11-02-2010, 04:52 PM
I have already been told if I were to drive I would get 4 travel days, but they won't amend my orders.

They aren't going to amend your orders because your only authorized to get paid for the 1 travel day. You still get the 4 travel days if you elect to drive. Talk to your formal training people. Your unit really doesn't get a say in it.

mad_cap_1
11-03-2010, 02:43 PM
Thanks. Sounds like good news to me.

123456789
11-09-2010, 03:55 PM
Hey, is there anyone I can talk to see what’s going on with my ETP at the BPO. It’s been there for three weeks and the CEA, AFPC and career advisor says it can take up to 90 – 180 days.

VidMXGuy
11-09-2010, 10:03 PM
Hey, is there anyone I can talk to see what’s going on with my ETP at the BPO. It’s been there for three weeks and the CEA, AFPC and career advisor says it can take up to 90 – 180 days.

It has been there three weeks... and AFPC says it could take 90-180 days? That means it hasn't happened yet, and you have to be patient. It takes a long time to get any of this done, I know of only a few lucky people that it went quick for. Be patient, and if you don't hear anything in 90-180 days, then start calling around.

SEL123
11-10-2010, 08:39 PM
Please, can some one break it down for me bout how it really is for deploying in this career field?! The more airframes the better. I am really trying to make a decision for what afsc to chose for retraining. I'm stuck between SERE Specialist and Flight Engineer. I want to know what kind of deployments how long, how often, where to, all the good stuff! Please can someone shed some light on lil ol me. Thanks!

YaKkO
11-11-2010, 12:19 AM
Please, can some one break it down for me bout how it really is for deploying in this career field?! The more airframes the better. I am really trying to make a decision for what afsc to chose for retraining. I'm stuck between SERE Specialist and Flight Engineer. I want to know what kind of deployments how long, how often, where to, all the good stuff! Please can someone shed some light on lil ol me. Thanks!

Don't base your choice on retraining about how much you deploy man.

Retrain because it's something you wanna do.

As far as how often we deploy it really depends on what airframe you get in BFE.

I've heard C-5 guys claim 300 days a year and then I have talked to guys in my Unit who said they know people who have dodged deploying for a few years.

Granted C-5 and AWACS are two different animals.

And as far as SERE goes you might as well be deployed a ton with how much time away from home locally you will do. Those guys are busy as hell.

My 2 Cents.

YaKkO
11-11-2010, 12:22 AM
They aren't going to amend your orders because your only authorized to get paid for the 1 travel day. You still get the 4 travel days if you elect to drive. Talk to your formal training people. Your unit really doesn't get a say in it.

Wrong, based off of when I went in Feb...

When I drove there they said I only got 1 travel day and they prefer you to fly commercially. Somehow they think that is the cheapest route for them?

They wouldn't change it.

mad_cap_1
11-12-2010, 01:42 AM
So does anyone, other than myself, start class tomorrow?

bcoco14
11-12-2010, 06:00 AM
Wrong, based off of when I went in Feb...

When I drove there they said I only got 1 travel day and they prefer you to fly commercially. Somehow they think that is the cheapest route for them?

They wouldn't change it.

I'm not wrong, they aren't going to amend the orders but you still get the travel days your authorized. You let your unit call the shots in your case, that dosen't mean they were right you just didn't know what route you needed to take with them .

VidMXGuy
11-13-2010, 10:35 PM
Don't base your choice on retraining about how much you deploy man.

Retrain because it's something you wanna do.

As far as how often we deploy it really depends on what airframe you get in BFE.

I've heard C-5 guys claim 300 days a year and then I have talked to guys in my Unit who said they know people who have dodged deploying for a few years.

Granted C-5 and AWACS are two different animals.

And as far as SERE goes you might as well be deployed a ton with how much time away from home locally you will do. Those guys are busy as hell.

My 2 Cents.

C-5s don't deploy, at all. We do go downrange, most of the time for a day or two per mission, but we don't sit down there for months. Most I know of is the occasional stage, like we did with the C-5M back in July, but that is a completely different beast that is really going to change the whole travel and break for a week mindset.

xCHICOx
11-18-2010, 03:08 PM
For those of you all that stayed on Kelly while at BFE, what did you have to do for finance to pay you your full rate per diem. They keep telling me since I don't have a non-availability letter that they really don't know about that. Even after I showed them the page from the per diem site that clearly states that there is no dinning hall facility on Kelly Annex.... ugh, SMH... Any tips would be appreciated!

mad_cap_1
11-19-2010, 12:09 AM
see if you can call kelly and have them send you the non-a slip.

imported_ANALYST
11-19-2010, 01:45 AM
Well, if they give you a real hard time with the issue. You can tell them that the lodging on lackland was full and they sent you to Kelly. Since Kelly is not really considered off base, they will not give you a non-a. Give them the paper that states that there is no chow hall on Kelly and that should do it.

xCHICOx
11-19-2010, 03:17 PM
Well, if they give you a real hard time with the issue. You can tell them that the lodging on lackland was full and they sent you to Kelly. Since Kelly is not really considered off base, they will not give you a non-a. Give them the paper that states that there is no chow hall on Kelly and that should do it.

Apparently that paper isn't good enough or something. Even when its coming off of the official site. I will just be patient and hopefully I get to speak to the right person soon.

bcoco14
11-20-2010, 03:51 AM
Apparently that paper isn't good enough or something. Even when its coming off of the official site. I will just be patient and hopefully I get to speak to the right person soon.

Then your finance people are wrong and you should start moving it up the chain. Talk to the finance NCOIC, Flight Chief or if you need to your first seargent. Like ANALYST said you wont get a non-a letter because you stayed in Gov billiting. The JFTR clearly states if you look up lackland that billiting is avaliable on Kelly and that there is no chow hall there. That entiltles you to full per diem. Finance has to go off the JFTR. Make them do their job it's your money.

eklno
11-22-2010, 06:05 PM
I completed my IFC III on Friday. Passed with flying colors. Flight Med says my package has to be routed to AETC. Does anyone know if I can submit a retraining package without the 1042? Would I be able to fax it, or amend it to my retraining package later? My retraining window is closing fast due to my DEROS and I want to get my package started to "reserve" my desire to retrain.

xCHICOx
11-22-2010, 06:56 PM
From all the times I tried to submit missing one thing, I would suggest no. Make sure you have everything before you submit or it will just get kicked back. Make sure you have everything on that checklist or you will delay your process that much more. GL.

airforceairman
11-22-2010, 07:57 PM
Definitely don't send in your package missing ANYTHING. It will get kicked back quick. If you want to try and hurry the med guys along, you can call them everyday. Thats what I had to do. Good luck!

bcoco14
11-23-2010, 02:18 AM
I completed my IFC III on Friday. Passed with flying colors. Flight Med says my package has to be routed to AETC. Does anyone know if I can submit a retraining package without the 1042? Would I be able to fax it, or amend it to my retraining package later? My retraining window is closing fast due to my DEROS and I want to get my package started to "reserve" my desire to retrain.

AFPC wont input your package until it's complete. If you just did your IFC III on Friday you can probably expect another 30-45 days before it is certified and getting your initial 1042.

xCHICOx
11-23-2010, 03:44 PM
AFPC wont input your package until it's complete. If you just did your IFC III on Friday you can probably expect another 30-45 days before it is certified and getting your initial 1042.

^^^ that sounds accurate. Just be patient man, it will happen.

123456789
11-23-2010, 06:34 PM
well after helping my troop pass her PT test by 5 sec, i came in the office and got the message below. Now just waiting on the class date. thank God.

Your Retraining Application Status is AWAITING CLASS SEAT (AFPC)(5) as of 23 NOV 2010.

airforceairman
11-23-2010, 10:51 PM
Congrats! You should have a date in a week or so. Just keep checking MPF. Anyone else have a class date of January 11th?

123456789
11-30-2010, 05:03 PM
yall think a week is to soon to start call afpc for class dates.

xCHICOx
11-30-2010, 05:58 PM
yall think a week is to soon to start call afpc for class dates.

Way too soon. As soon as the functional loads them you will know via vMPF. Just be patient, the hard part is done. (besides school of course)

123456789
12-02-2010, 05:44 PM
I’m horrible at this waiting game, still status 5. I did see where they picked up another 6 FTA.

SEL123
12-03-2010, 03:57 PM
Don't base your choice on retraining about how much you deploy man.

Retrain because it's something you wanna do.

As far as how often we deploy it really depends on what airframe you get in BFE.

I've heard C-5 guys claim 300 days a year and then I have talked to guys in my Unit who said they know people who have dodged deploying for a few years.

Granted C-5 and AWACS are two different animals.

And as far as SERE goes you might as well be deployed a ton with how much time away from home locally you will do. Those guys are busy as hell.

My 2 Cents.

If i wasn't a mother of two i wouldn't worry about the deployment rate but I am so it is something i have to consider.

Gripesgetunothing
12-06-2010, 11:48 PM
So I submitted my paper work to AFPC 26 Oct. and have been status code 3 since...Is there any rhyme or reason to NCORP selection. I'm tired of waiting I guess its better to be code 3 then to have a blank!

bcoco14
12-07-2010, 04:06 AM
So I submitted my paper work to AFPC 26 Oct. and have been status code 3 since...Is there any rhyme or reason to NCORP selection. I'm tired of waiting I guess its better to be code 3 then to have a blank!

Not realy that I'm aware of, I have seen it go as quick as a week and as long as 4 months.

johnfe
12-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Hello, I was wondering if anyone can tell me if the school house move to the main base and if it’s worth it to stay on the Kelly side compared to dealing with finance and driving. Thank you.

bcoco14
12-08-2010, 04:10 AM
Hello, I was wondering if anyone can tell me if the school house move to the main base and if it’s worth it to stay on the Kelly side compared to dealing with finance and driving. Thank you.

Yes the school house has moved. As for Kelly vs Lackland, do you want to make $13 a day or $65? Kelly is about a 5-10 min drive.

johnfe
12-08-2010, 05:26 PM
Yes the school house has moved. As for Kelly vs Lackland, do you want to make $13 a day or $65? Kelly is about a 5-10 min drive.

Cool, makes since, there was no problem with the travel voucher, needing a non-availably letter.

bcoco14
12-10-2010, 01:58 AM
Cool, makes since, there was no problem with the travel voucher, needing a non-availably letter.

You wont get a non-availability letter because Kelly is military billeting. The JFTR sates Kelly doesn't have a chow hall that's why you get the full per diem.

Mlanham9
12-15-2010, 06:32 PM
My class strt date is Jan 25th 2011 anybody out there with the same?

thefenz
12-18-2010, 01:44 AM
I am hoping I am not asking an already answered question but after going through the 300+ pages on this thread I do not think I am. I am getting ready to put in my package for retrain and was wondering what, if any, effect my initial enlistment bonus would have on my retrain. I will be retraining at my halfway point.

**I guess I can disregard any thought of retraining early into FE since it is no longer available for early retrain. Seems like the AF has gotten enough new FE's to be happy for now.**

LHEATHAIS
12-30-2010, 04:20 PM
Submitted my retraining package, and Commander finally coordinated. Just waiting for the next step. Anyone with input to find out what the next step is and when will i finally see it reflected in VMPF? My retraining window is closing fast due to my DEROS.

Golther
12-31-2010, 06:26 PM
Submitted my retraining package, and Commander finally coordinated. Just waiting for the next step. Anyone with input to find out what the next step is and when will i finally see it reflected in VMPF? My retraining window is closing fast due to my DEROS.

You should see a status 3 in at least a week in vMPF.

cb7pr
01-17-2011, 06:36 PM
Hey everyone,

First time around here. I was looking for information on FE, and stumbled upon this thread. Im currently finishing up my package to turn in into AFPC, just awaiting a signature from my Commander on my Feeder Waiver Request/ETP letter. I should be getting it back tomorrow; Other than that, AFPC has everything else.

For those in training, can you give an estimate on how long training is? I looked over the about.com description, but I dont know how accurate that is.

Golther
01-17-2011, 06:49 PM
I have my first check ride tomorrow to complete my training. My entire process too about a year from the first day of school to where I am now. I have also been pushed through very fast. Out of all of last year I have only spent 4 months or less at home.

cb7pr
01-17-2011, 07:02 PM
I have my first check ride tomorrow to complete my training. My entire process too about a year from the first day of school to where I am now. I have also been pushed through very fast. Out of all of last year I have only spent 4 months or less at home.

Can you give me more of a description on how training is, and what to expect? Im currently married, but my wife is off to school for a good amount of this year, so I will be able to focus solely on training and nothing else. Also, what airframe did you obtain?

bcoco14
01-17-2011, 07:25 PM
Can you give me more of a description on how training is, and what to expect? Im currently married, but my wife is off to school for a good amount of this year, so I will be able to focus solely on training and nothing else. Also, what airframe did you obtain?

Here is a breakdown 2 months at Lackland for Fundies and BFE, 1 month in Fairchild doing SERE/water survival and if you need it a few days in Pensacola. Then it will depend on what airframe you get. Then its IQT this part could last for 6-12 months and location will very with airframe. Then once you get your check ride then you should head to your SQ for MQT requirements very from airframes but I would bank on a few months for it. So I would look at spending at least a year in training and that's if everything goes as planed

cb7pr
01-17-2011, 07:49 PM
Here is a breakdown 2 months at Lackland for Fundies and BFE, 1 month in Fairchild doing SERE/water survival and if you need it a few days in Pensacola. Then it will depend on what airframe you get. Then its IQT this part could last for 6-12 months and location will very with airframe. Then once you get your check ride then you should head to your SQ for MQT requirements very from airframes but I would bank on a few months for it. So I would look at spending at least a year in training and that's if everything goes as planed

Wow, thanks for the details. Definitely pretty involved, but really excited. Cant wait to get back to work tomorrow, and pick up the letter from my Commander so I can upload it. AFPC has been great in dealing with my package, and respond really quickly to my uploads, and questions. My Class III took forever to get approved by Headquarters, but it was a smooth process due to coming from a Flying Status AFSC (Air Traffic Control).

cb7pr
01-17-2011, 08:22 PM
Also, is there any references, books, or research I can do to start getting an basic understanding from now? Im not from a Feeder AFSC, so my knowledge of aircraft is limited to what I knew in ATC. Other than that, not much, so I figure I can start getting something done.

cb7pr
01-25-2011, 09:44 PM
Alright, Im set! Here it is:


Your Retraining Application Status is APPROVED - AFPC(6) as of 25 JAN 2011.

Retraining AFSC: 1A111

Projected Course Name: Aircrew Fundamentals-Flight Engineer

Projected Course Number: L3AQR1A111 01AA

Projected Course Start Date: 15 FEB 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 07 MAR 2011


Projected Course Name: Basic Flight Engineer - Undergraduate Flying Training

Projected Course Number: L3ALR1A131 048B

Projected Course Start Date: 08 MAR 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 18 APR 2011

Doood
01-26-2011, 06:39 PM
Alright, Im set! Here it is:


Your Retraining Application Status is APPROVED - AFPC(6) as of 25 JAN 2011.

Retraining AFSC: 1A111

Projected Course Name: Aircrew Fundamentals-Flight Engineer

Projected Course Number: L3AQR1A111 01AA

Projected Course Start Date: 15 FEB 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 07 MAR 2011


Projected Course Name: Basic Flight Engineer - Undergraduate Flying Training

Projected Course Number: L3ALR1A131 048B

Projected Course Start Date: 08 MAR 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 18 APR 2011


So it only took you 8 days to get approved after you submitted your package? Was your AFSC overmanned? What is your AFSC?

bcoco14
01-27-2011, 05:02 AM
So it only took you 8 days to get approved after you submitted your package? Was your AFSC overmanned? What is your AFSC?

Sometimes it takes 8 days sometimes 8 months, everyone is different hang in there

LHEATHAIS
01-27-2011, 05:39 PM
Looking for assistance. My background is TSgt with 12 years as F-15 Avionics maintainer and always had a desire to fly. Here is my story to date. I have been working on my retraining package since October. I had my IFC III back on the 19th of November. My IFC III returned from AFPC on 2 Dec. My CC didn't submit his recommendation until 30 Dec. I got a response from AFPC on 3 January stating I am no longer eligible to retrain as my DEROS was pushed to 14 Oct 2011 to match my DOS (not pleased) and made me eligible for FY12 retraining. I applied for an extension and a DEROS reinstatement to return my DEROS to August. I also have an ETP to retrain out of my retraining window. My CC will not sign my ETP until my DEROS is updated. I received/returned the Extension/DEROS reinstatement on 25 Jan. My extension is approved, but I discovered today that it will be 4-6 weeks before AFPC approves my DEROS reinstatement. I am trying to be in school around August, but it is looking very bleak. There are 31 TSgt slots available and I work in the most overmanned AFSC in the USAF. I guess I am really searching for an answer on how to get approved / disapproved retraining so I can avoid all these unnecessary road blocks, and move forward with my career. I apologize for being long winded, but this process seems to get longer and not shorter.

bcoco14
01-27-2011, 08:27 PM
Looking for assistance. My background is TSgt with 12 years as F-15 Avionics maintainer and always had a desire to fly. Here is my story to date. I have been working on my retraining package since October. I had my IFC III back on the 19th of November. My IFC III returned from AFPC on 2 Dec. My CC didn't submit his recommendation until 30 Dec. I got a response from AFPC on 3 January stating I am no longer eligible to retrain as my DEROS was pushed to 14 Oct 2011 to match my DOS (not pleased) and made me eligible for FY12 retraining. I applied for an extension and a DEROS reinstatement to return my DEROS to August. I also have an ETP to retrain out of my retraining window. My CC will not sign my ETP until my DEROS is updated. I received/returned the Extension/DEROS reinstatement on 25 Jan. My extension is approved, but I discovered today that it will be 4-6 weeks before AFPC approves my DEROS reinstatement. I am trying to be in school around August, but it is looking very bleak. There are 31 TSgt slots available and I work in the most overmanned AFSC in the USAF. I guess I am really searching for an answer on how to get approved / disapproved retraining so I can avoid all these unnecessary road blocks, and move forward with my career. I apologize for being long winded, but this process seems to get longer and not shorter.

You have zero say on when you will go to school. It's possible to PCS to a new unit and sit there for a few months before ever going to school. Now all you can do is hope that AFPC processes the DEROS paperwork you need in a timely manner. Or you can e-mail the CEA recruiter and see if there is anything they can do.

cb7pr
01-28-2011, 07:13 AM
So it only took you 8 days to get approved after you submitted your package? Was your AFSC overmanned? What is your AFSC?

Once the package was complete, yes; but the entire process of getting all the paperwork together, and approved from Commanders and headquarters took about 8 months, so yeah, I wont tell you to be patient because I can understand the frustration involved in the process, you just have to take it a day at a time. I had lots of hiccups along the way with just my Class III; I had several different individuals handle my case in AFPC, and no one could ever give me a set checklist of items to acquire, so I was constantly having to be running around to get another document approved, signed, or waived.

Heres what I put together;
-Class III Physical (took the longest to obtain)
-Last 3 EPRs
-1042 (updated)
-422 (updated with K lifitng requirement)
-ETP Letter (or Feeder Waiver Request Letter)
-Voluntary Flying Request (some document you sign in understanding that the flying part is voluntary)
-one more (cant remember what it was)

My AFSC was ATC (1C151); it is not a overmanned AFSC, however, I am a disqual Airmen. Theres only a short amount of AFSCs that we are authorized to retrain into.

imported_AeroMech78
01-29-2011, 03:21 PM
Alright, Im set! Here it is:


Your Retraining Application Status is APPROVED - AFPC(6) as of 25 JAN 2011.

Retraining AFSC: 1A111

Projected Course Name: Aircrew Fundamentals-Flight Engineer

Projected Course Number: L3AQR1A111 01AA

Projected Course Start Date: 15 FEB 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 07 MAR 2011


Projected Course Name: Basic Flight Engineer - Undergraduate Flying Training

Projected Course Number: L3ALR1A131 048B

Projected Course Start Date: 08 MAR 2011

Projected Course Graduation Date: 18 APR 2011

I've got the same start date for BFE. This will be my second try at completing BFE and, after waiting for about 9 months, I'm anxious to finish what I started last year. Have you made any lodging reservations yet? My suggestion would be to avoid Gateway Inn on Lackland at all costs. Not only will you make less perdium (the popular reason for going to Kelly Inn) but, you will be staying in a place that can be extremely noisy. Part of the reason I washed out last year was because it was difficult to focus while studying in my room with a bunch of Navy and Marine Corp students raising hell outside in the courtyard all throughout the week. All attempts to silence these assholes and/or move to another room were met with shrugged shoulders at the front desk. It got so bad that I actually went to the clinic and asked for earplugs.

On the other hand, Kelly Inn is nice and quiet. It's possible that your stay on Lackland could be the complete opposite with regards to peace and quiet but, why take the chance? This time I'm staying at Kelly regardless of whether or not I get the coveted NA slip. At this point I care more about having a quiet study environment than the extra perdium.

akruse
01-29-2011, 03:35 PM
I've got the same start date for BFE. This will be my second try at completing BFE and, after waiting for about 9 months, I'm anxious to finish what I started last year. Have you made any lodging reservations yet? My suggestion would be to avoid Gateway Inn on Lackland at all costs. Not only will you make less perdium (the popular reason for going to Kelly Inn) but, you will be staying in a place that can be extremely noisy. Part of the reason I washed out last year was because it was difficult to focus while studying in my room with a bunch of Navy and Marine Corp students raising hell outside in the courtyard all throughout the week. All attempts to silence these assholes and/or move to another room were met with shrugged shoulders at the front desk. It got so bad that I actually went to the clinic and asked for earplugs.

On the other hand, Kelly Inn is nice and quiet. It's possible that your stay on Lackland could be the complete opposite with regards to peace and quiet but, why take the chance? This time I'm staying at Kelly regardless of whether or not I get the coveted NA slip. At this point I care more about having a quiet study environment than the extra perdium.

How did you get a second shot?

You don't get a NA slip for Kelly. Its base billeting.

imported_AeroMech78
01-29-2011, 03:49 PM
How did you get a second shot?

You don't get a NA slip for Kelly. Its base billeting.

I'm a reservist and my unit saw fit to give me another shot. By NA slip I'm referring to the sheet of paper that says Kelly Inn doesn't have a dining facility. Not sure how AD finance groups would interpret this but, my finance office will adjust the perdium rate accordingly.

OlSarg
01-30-2011, 01:20 AM
[QUOTE=AeroMech78;416006] This will be my second try at completing BFE and, after waiting for about 9 months, I'm anxious to finish what I started last year. Have you made any lodging reservations yet? My suggestion would be to avoid Gateway Inn on Lackland at all costs. Not only will you make less perdium (the popular reason for going to Kelly Inn) but, you will be staying in a place that can be extremely noisy. Part of the reason I washed out last year was because it was difficult to focus while studying in my room with a bunch of Navy and Marine Corp students raising hell outside in the courtyard all throughout the week. All attempts to silence these assholes and/or move to another room were met with shrugged shoulders at the front desk. It got so bad that I actually went to the clinic and asked for earplugs.QUOTE]

Second time trying to pass BFE and you are worried about billeting and per diem? Are you serious? You can't do math and count because some knothead is making noise outside your room? REALLY? How do you expect to function in an aircraft when (NOT IF) things are going to heck in a handbasket all around you? Oh yeah, I forgot...gear up, feet up. But you have to be able to function with noise first.

YaKkO
01-30-2011, 02:36 AM
Looking for assistance. My background is TSgt with 12 years as F-15 Avionics maintainer and always had a desire to fly. Here is my story to date. I have been working on my retraining package since October. I had my IFC III back on the 19th of November. My IFC III returned from AFPC on 2 Dec. My CC didn't submit his recommendation until 30 Dec. I got a response from AFPC on 3 January stating I am no longer eligible to retrain as my DEROS was pushed to 14 Oct 2011 to match my DOS (not pleased) and made me eligible for FY12 retraining. I applied for an extension and a DEROS reinstatement to return my DEROS to August. I also have an ETP to retrain out of my retraining window. My CC will not sign my ETP until my DEROS is updated. I received/returned the Extension/DEROS reinstatement on 25 Jan. My extension is approved, but I discovered today that it will be 4-6 weeks before AFPC approves my DEROS reinstatement. I am trying to be in school around August, but it is looking very bleak. There are 31 TSgt slots available and I work in the most overmanned AFSC in the USAF. I guess I am really searching for an answer on how to get approved / disapproved retraining so I can avoid all these unnecessary road blocks, and move forward with my career. I apologize for being long winded, but this process seems to get longer and not shorter.


Yeah man, there is really nothing you can do but play the waiting game unfortunately.

From what I understand is that Shirts have some pull on the AFPC side of things :ohwell

bcoco14
01-30-2011, 02:39 AM
Yeah man, there is really nothing you can do but play the waiting game unfortunately.

From what I understand is that Shirts have some pull on the AFPC side of things :ohwell

Holly crap!! Your still alive, Did you finish up IQT yet?

YaKkO
01-30-2011, 02:39 AM
I've got the same start date for BFE. This will be my second try at completing BFE and, after waiting for about 9 months, I'm anxious to finish what I started last year. Have you made any lodging reservations yet? My suggestion would be to avoid Gateway Inn on Lackland at all costs. Not only will you make less perdium (the popular reason for going to Kelly Inn) but, you will be staying in a place that can be extremely noisy. Part of the reason I washed out last year was because it was difficult to focus while studying in my room with a bunch of Navy and Marine Corp students raising hell outside in the courtyard all throughout the week. All attempts to silence these assholes and/or move to another room were met with shrugged shoulders at the front desk. It got so bad that I actually went to the clinic and asked for earplugs.

On the other hand, Kelly Inn is nice and quiet. It's possible that your stay on Lackland could be the complete opposite with regards to peace and quiet but, why take the chance? This time I'm staying at Kelly regardless of whether or not I get the coveted NA slip. At this point I care more about having a quiet study environment than the extra perdium.

What block did you fail at the first time around. I'm dying to hear this?

Because if it was TOLD like I'm guessing it was good luck handling TOLD under pressure sitting at the EOR and the entire crew is waiting on you because Tower decided it was funny to change the temp 5 degrees and give you a gust thereby fucking your Data.

YaKkO
01-30-2011, 02:42 AM
Headed to Tyndall on a RON this week and hopefully checkin on the way back. God damn am I happy to almost be done with this man!

And Gotta Love GAYWACS!

YaKkO
01-30-2011, 02:50 AM
[QUOTE=AeroMech78;416006] This will be my second try at completing BFE and, after waiting for about 9 months, I'm anxious to finish what I started last year. Have you made any lodging reservations yet? My suggestion would be to avoid Gateway Inn on Lackland at all costs. Not only will you make less perdium (the popular reason for going to Kelly Inn) but, you will be staying in a place that can be extremely noisy. Part of the reason I washed out last year was because it was difficult to focus while studying in my room with a bunch of Navy and Marine Corp students raising hell outside in the courtyard all throughout the week. All attempts to silence these assholes and/or move to another room were met with shrugged shoulders at the front desk. It got so bad that I actually went to the clinic and asked for earplugs.QUOTE]

Second time trying to pass BFE and you are worried about billeting and per diem? Are you serious? You can't do math and count because some knothead is making noise outside your room? REALLY? How do you expect to function in an aircraft when (NOT IF) things are going to heck in a handbasket all around you? Oh yeah, I forgot...gear up, feet up. But you have to be able to function with noise first.

This....

bcoco14
01-30-2011, 02:54 AM
Headed to Tyndall on a RON this week and hopefully checkin on the way back. God damn am I happy to almost be done with this man!

And Gotta Love GAYWACS!

I have about 3 more rides before my second check ( we have a SIM check before you can fly) and then on to my D levels. I wont get any trips untill I start my D levels.

BTW I lost never put your new number in my phone after you changed it I tried to send you a text a few months ago.

YaKkO
01-30-2011, 03:19 AM
Can you give me more of a description on how training is, and what to expect? Im currently married, but my wife is off to school for a good amount of this year, so I will be able to focus solely on training and nothing else. Also, what airframe did you obtain?

This depends on the Airframe man. If your like Golther and got to go to-130's (I still hate you for that) you get to be away from your family and focus on nothing but studying which sounds terrible but it is a gift. Trust me.

I on the other hand went to AWACS where all IQT is done at Tinker which is where you stay so you PCS there for IQT. Let me tell you, trying to study, care for your kids and you wife and get through IQT at the same time has got to be one of the most pain in the ass things of all time.

Golther
01-30-2011, 03:25 AM
This depends on the Airframe man. If your like Golther and got to go to-130's (I still hate you for that) you get to be away from your family and focus on nothing but studying which sounds terrible but it is a gift. Trust me.


It's all right man I forgive you. I am done now and screwing around with trying to get my PCS on, although I am a little surprised that you didn't get 130's also.

YaKkO
01-30-2011, 03:28 AM
It's all right man I forgive you. I am done now and screwing around with trying to get my PCS on, although I am a little surprised that you didn't get 130's also.

Every time I mention that to someone around here they also are amazed lol. The always say that I can just switch Airframes in the future but fuck that. I don't ever wanna got through IQT again!

Golther
01-30-2011, 03:29 AM
You are right though it was easier to go though it without the family. Even though I kinda half-assed it like I did in BFE but I still made it out with a Q1 on my check ride.

Golther
01-30-2011, 03:29 AM
Stupid Double-Post

bcoco14
01-30-2011, 03:38 AM
You are right though it was easier to go though it without the family. Even though I kinda half-assed it like I did in BFE but I still made it out with a Q1 on my check ride.

Yea once you get through BFE it gets WAY easier, at least for me. Either you know what you need to know and can perform or you don't.

YaKkO
01-30-2011, 03:42 AM
Yea once you get through BFE it gets WAY easier, at least for me. Either you know what you need to know and can perform or you don't.

In AWACS if you aren't a tool bag they usually leave you alone. That's what I have observed at least.

Golther
01-30-2011, 03:42 AM
Yea once you get through BFE it gets WAY easier, at least for me. Either you know what you need to know and can perform or you don't.

I disagree my IQT was the hardest school I have ever had to go through. It honestly was the first time I have ever had to study before or after class.I will tell you not to sound egotistical but I am sort of atypical on the intelligence scale.

bcoco14
01-30-2011, 03:45 AM
I disagree my IQT was the hardest school I have ever had to go through. It honestly was the first time I have ever had to study before or after class.I will tell you not to sound egotistical but I am sort of atypical on the intelligence scale.

Ahh yes no need to explain to me.... I know who you are, we even had a few beers there Rainman!

Hell we're even Facebook friends there smart guy!!!!

Golther
01-30-2011, 03:48 AM
That's right, I remember now and don't lead me on like that! I may be smart but I still have that memory problem. *Sigh*

imported_AeroMech78
01-30-2011, 12:35 PM
Second time trying to pass BFE and you are worried about billeting and per diem? Are you serious? You can't do math and count because some knothead is making noise outside your room? REALLY? How do you expect to function in an aircraft when (NOT IF) things are going to heck in a handbasket all around you? Oh yeah, I forgot...gear up, feet up. But you have to be able to function with noise first.

Wow. Thanks for not being a jerk about it! lol

What I said was that the noise was only one of the reasons that I failed to progress. Not that I need to bore you with personal details (nor should I have to) but I basically had a bad weekend and was unable to bounce back when given the opportunity to retest Block 4. Yes...Block 4 and not the dreaded 5 (gasp!) I'm not worried in the least about perdium or billeting, just offering some friendly advice to someone else that may be forced to contend with an unnecessary disturbance. Noise that has a purpose does not affect my concentration. Now...noise that is just downright fucking irritating (like listening to a bunch of drunk kids) is another story.

Regardless of how YOU feel about my decision to try again, I'm acting on the recommendation of the instructors that were well within their rights to disapprove a second try.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it

imported_AeroMech78
01-30-2011, 01:38 PM
What block did you fail at the first time around. I'm dying to hear this?

Because if it was TOLD like I'm guessing it was good luck handling TOLD under pressure sitting at the EOR and the entire crew is waiting on you because Tower decided it was funny to change the temp 5 degrees and give you a gust thereby fucking your Data.

Block 4. Silly mistakes got me an 82.5 on the initial and retest. I've noticed that this thread goes into detail about the hellish nightmare that is Block 5. That said, I'm not surprised that your kneejerk reaction was to suspect that Block 5 was the problem. This comment is sure to draw fire but, I tend to think that a lot of the fear that is generated around the this portion of BFE is mostly hype. While I understand your point that FE's need to demonstrate critical thinking under pressure, I've been taught that it's better to take the small variations you mentioned into account ahead of time so that you're not fumbling around with your data after the "tower decided it was funny to change the temp 5 degrees". Work smarter not harder, right?

After practicing corrections and running charts with my unit for the past 9 months, I'm confident in my ability to pass all the TOLD blocks. Based on my experience, the pitfalls of TOLD are more relevant to attention to detail and being able to interpret what each correction actually means. I think that where people lose it is in the small things like chart specifics and variation of scale rather than the ratio and proportions side of it. Sure, it's easy to miscalculate the change in spread of the lines but, I think that most people just lose sight of what they are doing when they apply corrections. That and the complexity of the charts can be intimidating to someone that has never been involved with aircraft performance. Visual acuity is also key when you're trying to keep your bearings while moving vertically and laterally on the charts.

Just my humble observations as a prospective FE. Really just trying to share my experiences on this tread so that others may have the opportunity to learn from my mistakes. Those of you that are so quick to pass judgment should be reminded that you too were noobs at one time and you most likely would have appreciated the insight prior to attending BFE. Peace

akruse
01-30-2011, 02:35 PM
Words

This is going to be good.

imported_AeroMech78
01-30-2011, 03:12 PM
Ima douche

Two can play that game, troll boy. lol

bcoco14
01-30-2011, 05:17 PM
Block 4. Silly mistakes got me an 82.5 on the initial and retest. I've noticed that this thread goes into detail about the hellish nightmare that is Block 5. That said, I'm not surprised that your kneejerk reaction was to suspect that Block 5 was the problem. This comment is sure to draw fire but, I tend to think that a lot of the fear that is generated around the this portion of BFE is mostly hype. While I understand your point that FE's need to demonstrate critical thinking under pressure,I've been taught that it's better to take the small variations you mentioned into account ahead of time so that you're not fumbling around with your data after the "tower decided it was funny to change the temp 5 degrees". Work smarter not harder, right?

Says the guy who didn't make it past block 4. When your out flying by yourself and your get a temp change, or a runway change for that matter you can see if you can talk your AC into taking the data you had already run. If they want to take it that's on them, but when your in IQT you do it by the book and most importantly you do what the instructor that is standing over your shoulder tells you to do. I highly encourage your to try that half ass shit on your check ride (if you even make it that far) and let me know how that goes for you. Use your silly little mistakes line that might work.


After practicing corrections and running charts with my unit for the past 9 months, I'm confident in my ability to pass all the TOLD blocks. Based on my experience, the pitfalls of TOLD are more relevant to attention to detail and being able to interpret what each correction actually means. I think that where people lose it is in the small things like chart specifics and variation of scale rather than the ratio and proportions side of it. Sure, it's easy to miscalculate the change in spread of the lines but, I think that most people just lose sight of what they are doing when they apply corrections. That and the complexity of the charts can be intimidating to someone that has never been involved with aircraft performance. Visual acuity is also key when you're trying to keep your bearings while moving vertically and laterally on the charts.

What experience are you basing it off of? You have none. You didn't even make it to block 5 let alone the rest of BFE, sure you may have run some charts and TOLD cards in your reserve unit, but I will tell you this it isn't even comparable to what you have to do in BFE. You do realize that there are 3 blocks of TOLD all for different AC and it gets progressively harder right? 9 months of practicing running C-130 charts (that's what I'm assuming your going to) isn't going to be much help when you have to run HH-60 charts.


Just my humble observations as a prospective FE. Really just trying to share my experiences on this tread so that others may have the opportunity to learn from my mistakes. Those of you that are so quick to pass judgment should be reminded that you too were noobs at one time and you most likely would have appreciated the insight prior to attending BFE. Peace

As we all can see your into making excuses, I stayed in Kelley while I was there and I shared a bathroom with a guy who played the guitar and had parties in his room EVERYDAY until about 11 o'clock. There are so many things you could have done to be able to study to pass the test. You just choose not to do them. Hell from what you say you had a whole weekend to study for your retest. Maybe you should have spent more time in the books than you did down at the Riverwalk.

imported_AeroMech78
01-30-2011, 07:53 PM
Says the guy who didn't make it past block 4. When your out flying by yourself and your get a temp change, or a runway change for that matter you can see if you can talk your AC into taking the data you had already run. If they want to take it that's on them, but when your in IQT you do it by the book and most importantly you do what the instructor that is standing over your shoulder tells you to do. I highly encourage your to try that half ass shit on your check ride (if you even make it that far) and let me know how that goes for you. Use your silly little mistakes line that might work.



What experience are you basing it off of? You have none. You didn't even make it to block 5 let alone the rest of BFE, sure you may have run some charts and TOLD cards in your reserve unit, but I will tell you this it isn't even comparable to what you have to do in BFE. You do realize that there are 3 blocks of TOLD all for different AC and it gets progressively harder right? 9 months of practicing running C-130 charts (that's what I'm assuming your going to) isn't going to be much help when you have to run HH-60 charts.



As we all can see your into making excuses, I stayed in Kelley while I was there and I shared a bathroom with a guy who played the guitar and had parties in his room EVERYDAY until about 11 o'clock. There are so many things you could have done to be able to study to pass the test. You just choose not to do them. Hell from what you say you had a whole weekend to study for your retest. Maybe you should have spent more time in the books than you did down at the Riverwalk.


:yawn What....ever. At the end of the day I'm sharing my limited experiences in order to offer insight to would-be retrainees and you...well you're just trolling. You haven't the slightest idea who I am or the circumstances that resulted in my elimination. Period. What you do know is that somehow I'm being permitted to return. Now what in the world could that mean when both the instructors and my unit could just have easily said "Sorry, thanks for trying"?

Lets get back on subject, kay pal? thanks

bcoco14
01-30-2011, 08:42 PM
:yawn What....ever. At the end of the day I'm sharing my limited experiences in order to offer insight to would-be retrainees and you...well you're just trolling. You haven't the slightest idea who I am or the circumstances that resulted in my elimination. Period. What you do know is that somehow I'm being permitted to return. Now what in the world could that mean when both the instructors and my unit could just have easily said "Sorry, thanks for trying"?

Lets get back on subject, kay pal? thanks

Trolling? Nope just responding to what you put out there. You were the one who stated that you failed a test not once but twice because of noisy neighbors, if you would like to be more specific as to why you washed out feel free. I don't really care though I already made it through BFE. I put out there you aren't the first nor will you be the last person to come across that. I did and I managed to not fail any tests. Maybe I just had different priorities than you. Your also not the first person to get a second shot either, there is a 6 month waiting period before you can reattempt BFE it happens your not all that special.

Oh and that coveted "non A" slip your talking about is a page out of the JFTR, you can print it out from your house.

imported_AeroMech78
01-30-2011, 10:50 PM
Trolling? Nope just responding to what you put out there. You were the one who stated that you failed a test not once but twice because of noisy neighbors, if you would like to be more specific as to why you washed out feel free. I don't really care though I already made it through BFE. I put out there you aren't the first nor will you be the last person to come across that. I did and I managed to not fail any tests. Maybe I just had different priorities than you.



Yes trolling. You seem to be more concerned with reminding me of my setback than to offer anything constructive to the discussion. Keep in mind that my initial post was directed at a new FE candidate. What I actually said was that noisy neighbors was only part of the problem. This was meant to imply that said distractions were more of a nuisance that made my situation that much more challenging. This brings me to my original suggestion that was NOT directed to you guys that quite obviously "don't really care since you already made it through BFE". Avoid Gateway Inn for the relatively more quiet Kelly Inn. That's all. End of story


Your also not the first person to get a second shot either, there is a 6 month waiting period before you can reattempt BFE it happens your not all that special

Be that as it may, I still made a decision to get back up and try again rather than take the easy way out and go back to an equally gratifying civilian job. That's gotta count for something even if you and the peanut gallery don't think so.


Oh and that coveted "non A" slip your talking about is a page out of the JFTR, you can print it out from your house.

Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to drop by and say hello after I finish BFE. NOOB OUT

Kegler
01-30-2011, 11:48 PM
Aero/Bcoco

Would you two get a fricken room.

Aero - dont defend. You screwed up the first time around...learn from it and become the best FE you can.

Bcoco, you have just went through BFE and got your assignment last May. You asked "what experience you are basing it off of?" I say you have none either...what experience do I base this off of...6K+ hours and a retired Aircrew Chief. So, instead of being a "hollier than thou" NOOB, help those who ask in this forum as you just went through BFE. Damn, I cant wait till you have that ONE bad day during your eval (that is if you have even received your MQT eval). You will think back to this and understand. Now, get back to the original reason this thread was started...to help and guide those who ask and need it! NOT A NOOB OUT!

bcoco14
01-31-2011, 12:44 AM
no point......

onyx
01-31-2011, 02:12 AM
Aero/Bcoco

Would you two get a fricken room.

Aero - dont defend. You screwed up the first time around...learn from it and become the best FE you can.

Bcoco, you have just went through BFE and got your assignment last May. You asked "what experience you are basing it off of?" I say you have none either...what experience do I base this off of...6K+ hours and a retired Aircrew Chief. So, instead of being a "hollier than thou" NOOB, help those who ask in this forum as you just went through BFE. Damn, I cant wait till you have that ONE bad day during your eval (that is if you have even received your MQT eval). You will think back to this and understand. Now, get back to the original reason this thread was started...to help and guide those who ask and need it! NOT A NOOB OUT!

For real. You both need to shut the hell up.

imported_ANALYST
02-04-2011, 09:22 PM
Man, it’s been a long time since I have been on here. C-130 school is pretty cool and it takes lots of studying, when it comes to TOLD, they give you two block values instead of one. I have only flown one time since arriving at the FTU last week, partially my fault and partially cause of the weather. Just today, we walked out to the plane and it started to snow. Everyone continued their briefs and we go about starting engines. Everything comes on line and we start to taxi, as we begin to taxi to the runway, we notice that the lead airplane's ailerons are beginning to collect snow. We call tower and they tell us to hold in the ERO parking area. Five mins later they tell us that we can’t get deiced and we need to go back to parking and shutdown engines. If this snow keeps up, I am never going to get out of here on time. If you have any questions about C-130 IQT or MQT just hit me up.

chachikeno
02-13-2011, 10:02 AM
Says the guy who didn't make it past block 4. When your out flying by yourself and your get a temp change, or a runway change for that matter you can see if you can talk your AC into taking the data you had already run. If they want to take it that's on them, but when your in IQT you do it by the book and most importantly you do what the instructor that is standing over your shoulder tells you to do. I highly encourage your to try that half ass shit on your check ride (if you even make it that far) and let me know how that goes for you. Use your silly little mistakes line that might work.



What experience are you basing it off of? You have none. You didn't even make it to block 5 let alone the rest of BFE, sure you may have run some charts and TOLD cards in your reserve unit, but I will tell you this it isn't even comparable to what you have to do in BFE. You do realize that there are 3 blocks of TOLD all for different AC and it gets progressively harder right? 9 months of practicing running C-130 charts (that's what I'm assuming your going to) isn't going to be much help when you have to run HH-60 charts.



As we all can see your into making excuses, I stayed in Kelley while I was there and I shared a bathroom with a guy who played the guitar and had parties in his room EVERYDAY until about 11 o'clock. There are so many things you could have done to be able to study to pass the test. You just choose not to do them. Hell from what you say you had a whole weekend to study for your retest. Maybe you should have spent more time in the books than you did down at the Riverwalk.

Amen brother! I 've been an FE for only four months but I agree with you on all counts. Noise in not a nexcuse. I fly C130s and I will never blame the noise on my plane, or the weather changes or the field change or the weight change to fail at my TOLD or any other requirement that may come along. You either deal with it or you are not cut out for the job.

OlSarg
02-15-2011, 02:35 AM
@ Aero...
Back in the day, BHFE (That's right HELICOPTER) was a cakewalk. Form F, TOLD data, Loading charts, basic systems etc.....piece of cake, little study time and lots of party time. Hit the flight line and you better hang on. Toughest training I have ever been through (mentally), task saturation like you have never seen. If you can't think in the safety of your room with the minor distraction of some rude and drunk punks you might want to consider staying where you're at. In the air it is always loud, there is always something going on and your job is 1)Figure out what job is the most important at the moment; 2)What job will be most important in the next five minutes; 3)What to do when Murphy steps in and puts a wrench in yer butt...... Murphy will KILL you DEAD, the drunk punks outside your room only make things interesting.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.....

LHEATHAIS
02-16-2011, 03:10 PM
Finally after 2 months of enlistment and DEROS issues my package is being processed:

Your Retraining Application Status is HQ AFPC PROCESSING(3) as of 11 FEB 2011.

YaKkO
02-17-2011, 02:14 AM
LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigBaze
02-17-2011, 04:29 AM
Good to see everyone getting classes, once the training pipeline starts, time will fly. I graduated BFE late 2008 and I am pushing 1800 KC10 hours and 4 deployments, and coming back from #4 in 2 weeks to start instructor school. Fine night tonight, a receiver tore the drogue from the back of our tanker, other night the gear jammed halfway up on takeoff, dumped gas, came back and landed after getting it down. yeah that's just some of the stuff you can expect once you get qualified. It's quite rewarding having F15E's, F18's, Hawgs, and a Bone lined up on your jet to get fuel so they can put bombs on targets; I bet my C130, C5 and helo counterparts have some even crazier stories. Good luck to all of you!

LHEATHAIS
02-17-2011, 11:30 AM
I saw the number for TSgt was reduced by one. Did anyone on here go status "5" recently?

YaKkO
02-18-2011, 02:20 AM
Q1'nd no write ups on My Final Check Ride today!

1 year later to the week I am done with this ish!

I have to say this is the most relieving feeling in the world. It's been non-stop stress since the first day of fundies! But damn it feels good to call my wings mine now. :thumb

Mlanham9
02-18-2011, 03:11 AM
BFE has begun! Im enjoying this actual putting my mind to use puttin stuff from my MX job into play with this class! The Instructors here want the best of the best Flying and I Praise them for that! I see that they have been in situations of crazyiness and they opened my eyes that when someones in your ear screaming you better be on your A Game, or its no only your ASS but the CREWS! NO EXCUSES!!!!!! Never blame anyone or anything! Well I can't wait to see the assignments! Helicopters would be Bad ASS!!!! HH-60's! I have been in Little Rock long enough I want a Diff Airframe, if not i will do my best at what i get! Thanks to all the FE's out there that have assisted me along the way to the best CAREER EVER!!!!!!

Mlanham9
02-18-2011, 04:36 AM
Q1'nd no write ups on My Final Check Ride today!

1 year later to the week I am done with this ish!

I have to say this is the most relieving feeling in the world. It's been non-stop stress since the first day of fundies! But damn it feels good to call my wings mine now. :thumb

Congrats to you sir! I hear that you have to bust your ass and know your shtank for that! What air frame do you have? Wed i start Block 3! And I just can't wait to get all the info i need to be ready for IQT! Well good luck and again Congrats!

YaKkO
02-18-2011, 01:57 PM
Congrats to you sir! I hear that you have to bust your ass and know your shtank for that! What air frame do you have? Wed i start Block 3! And I just can't wait to get all the info i need to be ready for IQT! Well good luck and again Congrats!

AWACS man. Pretty awesome jet once you get passed the lame ass mission.

Very reliable once you actually get it in the air too lol. The MC rate on the billboard read something like 64% FMC rate!

Mlanham9
02-18-2011, 02:31 PM
Nice i here the AWACS are diff! 64% MC Rate WOW! Thats a wee bit low, but the planes old right? Deployments for you are gonna be sweet staying at those resorts in the Middle East LOL! Oh boy well keep us BFE guys updated its good to here how everyone is doing out there! Got my block 3 info this morning and im gonna get this weight and balance stuff burned into my brain! LATER!

YaKkO
02-18-2011, 10:19 PM
Nice i here the AWACS are diff! 64% MC Rate WOW! Thats a wee bit low, but the planes old right? Deployments for you are gonna be sweet staying at those resorts in the Middle East LOL! Oh boy well keep us BFE guys updated its good to here how everyone is doing out there! Got my block 3 info this morning and im gonna get this weight and balance stuff burned into my brain! LATER!

Yeah most of our jets are approaching 40 years in service. Its insane.

But other that that I love the pig lol.

Btw. Block three is all about paying attn to what you are doing. Its a test on attention to detail.

It helps to have Hieman (the man is a genius) as a Instructor too though.

cb7pr
02-21-2011, 02:04 PM
This depends on the Airframe man. If your like Golther and got to go to-130's (I still hate you for that) you get to be away from your family and focus on nothing but studying which sounds terrible but it is a gift. Trust me.

I on the other hand went to AWACS where all IQT is done at Tinker which is where you stay so you PCS there for IQT. Let me tell you, trying to study, care for your kids and you wife and get through IQT at the same time has got to be one of the most pain in the ass things of all time.

Thanks for the info, C-130's is my choice btw. lol

Anyhow, started training this past Tuesday, and all I have to say is that I cant wait for more. Fundies is OK, but it tends to get boring since most of the material we are learning myself and other priors already know about. I have some great instructors that are very knowledgeable on the Aircrew Field, and have many examples along with stories to share for a better understanding of what we are going to be doing.

Im staying at Kelly Inn (yes!), so full perDiem in the works.

As far as for some members asking me how did I go from submitting my package to a Status 5, I dont know...they never had any updates for me on the Portal until I received the class dates. But I will say this...it took about 5-6 months trying to obtain all the proper documentation, physicals approved, and waivers. Im not from a Feeder AFSC, so that was more of a headache.

Any other questions, PM me.:)

LHEATHAIS
02-22-2011, 02:20 PM
I am looking for a timeline if anyone can help me out. There were 33 TSgt slots available on 15 October when I put in my request for FE. Now there are 30 as of 14 Feb. I finally went status 3 on 11 Feb. Any TSgt's here to provide me a time table? Thanks.

bcoco14
02-22-2011, 09:58 PM
I am looking for a timeline if anyone can help me out. There were 33 TSgt slots available on 15 October when I put in my request for FE. Now there are 30 as of 14 Feb. I finally went status 3 on 11 Feb. Any TSgt's here to provide me a time table? Thanks.

There is no time table. You are at the mercy of AFPC. Some get it processed in a week others it can take 4-6 months.

YaKkO
02-23-2011, 07:48 PM
There is no time table. You are at the mercy of AFPC. Some get it processed in a week others it can take 4-6 months.

Not only that but being a TSgt will help you zero.

BigBaze
02-24-2011, 07:43 AM
Nice i here the AWACS are diff! 64% MC Rate WOW! Thats a wee bit low, but the planes old right? Deployments for you are gonna be sweet staying at those resorts in the Middle East LOL! Oh boy well keep us BFE guys updated its good to here how everyone is doing out there! Got my block 3 info this morning and im gonna get this weight and balance stuff burned into my brain! LATER!


Yeah you'll "deploy" out here to the same base we do in the KC10. Air conditioned dorms, 2 beers a day and a nice pool. Your crews fly once maybe twice a week from what they have told me. You'll be getting used to seeing the boom of a -10 or a 135 a lot. That staying off base is all for contractors. In the old fun days aircrew stayed off base before it was overwhelmed with non mission essential people and E9's/O6's looking to earn an easy tax free and a Bronze Star.

Mlanham9
03-06-2011, 04:09 AM
Well this past week my class found out were we are heading!!! I got C-5's at TRAVIS!!!!! I'm ready!!! Its been FUN so far alot of studying but everyone of the FE instructors here at lackland are cool guys. They no their SHIT!!! You act stupid or step on toe's here your done!

YaKkO
03-06-2011, 08:42 PM
Well this past week my class found out were we are heading!!! I got C-5's at TRAVIS!!!!! I'm ready!!! Its been FUN so far alot of studying but everyone of the FE instructors here at lackland are cool guys. They no their SHIT!!! You act stupid or step on toe's here your done!

Actually if you fail a test then your done. All they can do is outcast you from the pack IMO.

You can be the biggest toolbag on the planet but until you fail those tests your good.

Had a guy in my class that more than proved this statement.

bcoco14
03-06-2011, 09:06 PM
Actually if you fail a test then your done. All they can do is outcast you from the pack IMO.

You can be the biggest toolbag on the planet but until you fail those tests your good.

Had a guy in my class that more than proved this statement.

Yea I think he failed out into my class! As long as you can pass the test and don't get in trouble there isn't much they can do to you.

YaKkO
03-06-2011, 09:07 PM
Yea I think he failed out into my class! As long as you can pass the test and don't get in trouble there isn't much they can do to you.

Yeah we are thinking about the same guy lol

Mlanham9
03-07-2011, 03:18 AM
Yepp u are right Block 5 test this week! Running the charts are tough at times but not horrible! That attention to detail is the biggest key factor though! I have taken that too heart! Well ur right about the pass/fail thing!

LHEATHAIS
03-08-2011, 11:43 AM
I was majorly disappointed by AFPC yesterday. I have been status 3 since 11 Feb. Found out it is probably another 150 days till I get my package approved. Problem is my DEROS is in 150 days too. Unless for some miracle, it is not looking good for me becoming a FE.

LHEATHAIS
03-08-2011, 11:52 AM
Congrats on Travis and C-5's. My top 3 choices are C-5's @ Travis, and C-130 / HH-60 @ Davis Monthan.

Boom
03-12-2011, 05:04 AM
Q1'nd no write ups on My Final Check Ride today!

1 year later to the week I am done with this ish!

I have to say this is the most relieving feeling in the world. It's been non-stop stress since the first day of fundies! But damn it feels good to call my wings mine now. :thumb

Congrats, enjoy flying by yourself.

YaKkO
03-17-2011, 03:44 AM
What happened to this thread. It seems to have croaked?

Did they stop taking people lol?

Golther
03-17-2011, 03:59 AM
What happened to this thread. It seems to have croaked?

Did they stop taking people lol?

Don't worry you will have a new kid to supervise soon enough. :heh

YaKkO
03-17-2011, 04:16 AM
Don't worry you will have a new kid to supervise soon enough. :heh

Yay!

The engineers usually just take the comm tech douches etc.

YaKkO
03-17-2011, 04:17 AM
@ Golther

So one of they guys here just got orders to AC-130's.....

There is hope after all!

Golther
03-17-2011, 10:14 AM
@ Golther

So one of they guys here just got orders to AC-130's.....

There is hope after all!

Yeah I will pass if I get offered AC-130's I prefer not to spend 90% of my year in the sandbox.

LHEATHAIS
03-18-2011, 02:17 PM
I am surely not the only one that shares this experience with AFPC: (I am trying to remove my ETP application IAW Advisory Note 520 stating a feeder (I am 2A071) may apply regardless of rtng-out quotas)

Sir / Ma'am,

I currently possess AFSC 2A071 (2AXXX). There for I am in a feeder AFSC. Can you utilize this information to better advise me on the correct steps necessary to regarding my retraining application. Thank you.


Response (Total Force Service Center - San Antonio) 03/18/2011 08:27 AM
TSgt ****,
The feeder AFSCs for 1A111 are 1A011, 1A211, 1A311, 1A411, 1A511, 1A711, 1A811, 2AXXX, and 2M011. Because you do not already hold one of these AFSCs, you will need an Exception to Policy letter. This will go to the Career Functional Manager for review, and it should explain why you should be considered for 1A111 (ex. prior flying experience, FAA private pilot license, etc.)
Customer 03/16/2011 04:53 AM

Sir / Ma'am,

I was reviewing the retraining advisory numbers, and took notice there are 0 TSgt positions available for 1U0X1. Since 1A1X1 is my first choice and the only AFSC available in my application, can the 1U01X1 requirements be dropped. Advisory note 520 for 1A1X1 states the following: This AFSC has designated feeder AFSCs. If in a feeder AFSC, member may apply for retraining into this AFSC regardless of rtng-out objectives. My ETP is for the 1U0X1 as I did not meet the rtng-out objective. This should not be an issue with 1A1X1 and I ask if it is possible to reprocess my application without the ETP. Thank you for your assistance.

imported_ANALYST
03-25-2011, 12:43 AM
Finally done with Little Rock. I got a Q-1 with no down grades, plus terminated with a ESP (Engine Shutdown Procedure) for high oil temp. It was a long process and it took lots of studying to achieve the caliber they approve of. Also, Im headed to complete the real water survival in April.

budman802g
03-30-2011, 04:15 PM
For some reason it took me a long time to finally get my account working so I can post here, but not nearly as long as it's taking to complete the retraining process! I requested a flight physical in the first week of December, finally had it done March 15th which lead me to getting a pair of glasses and retesting on the depth perception, which I passed. I am now waiting for one med waiver to be submitted and, hopefully, approved by AETC so I can then send my physical back to them for approval. The doc said it takes at least a month for the waiver to come back and then, from what I've read in this forum, another month for the physical to get approved.

My question is does this sound about normal for this all to take so long to just get the retraining package approved (almost 6 months)? I have pleny of other questions of course but will keep it short for now!

LHEATHAIS
03-30-2011, 06:39 PM
For some reason it took me a long time to finally get my account working so I can post here, but not nearly as long as it's taking to complete the retraining process! I requested a flight physical in the first week of December, finally had it done March 15th which lead me to getting a pair of glasses and retesting on the depth perception, which I passed. I am now waiting for one med waiver to be submitted and, hopefully, approved by AETC so I can then send my physical back to them for approval. The doc said it takes at least a month for the waiver to come back and then, from what I've read in this forum, another month for the physical to get approved.

My question is does this sound about normal for this all to take so long to just get the retraining package approved (almost 6 months)? I have pleny of other questions of course but will keep it short for now!

I applied on 15 Oct. Completed IFC III on 19 Nov w/ 111111P and AETC returned it on 2 Dec. My delay was getting my CC to co-ordinate which he sat on it and finally processed it on the Dec 30th. By the time AFPC looked at it on 3 Jan, i busted my 9-15 month DEROS window and had to do an ETP. I had no waivers, but AETC did get my 1042 back to me in like 10 days with Thanksgiving weekend in the middle. Been status 3 since 11 Feb.

YaKkO
03-30-2011, 11:19 PM
For some reason it took me a long time to finally get my account working so I can post here, but not nearly as long as it's taking to complete the retraining process! I requested a flight physical in the first week of December, finally had it done March 15th which lead me to getting a pair of glasses and retesting on the depth perception, which I passed. I am now waiting for one med waiver to be submitted and, hopefully, approved by AETC so I can then send my physical back to them for approval. The doc said it takes at least a month for the waiver to come back and then, from what I've read in this forum, another month for the physical to get approved.

My question is does this sound about normal for this all to take so long to just get the retraining package approved (almost 6 months)? I have pleny of other questions of course but will keep it short for now!

Yeah your pretty much on schedule man. It's been worse for some people. Hell I would say that you are pretty lucky that it only took you a month to get your waiver done.

Keep on pushing your paper work and baby sitting the MDG and you will be at BFE before you know it.

budman802g
03-31-2011, 02:32 PM
Yesterday 01:39 PMLHEATHAIS

My question is does this sound about normal for this all to take so long to just get the retraining package approved (almost 6 months)? I have pleny of other questions of course but will keep it short for now!
I applied on 15 Oct. Completed IFC III on 19 Nov w/ 111111P and AETC returned it on 2 Dec. My delay was getting my CC to co-ordinate which he sat on it and finally processed it on the Dec 30th. By the time AFPC looked at it on 3 Jan, i busted my 9-15 month DEROS window and had to do an ETP. I had no waivers, but AETC did get my 1042 back to me in like 10 days with Thanksgiving weekend in the middle. Been status 3 since 11 Feb.

I was told that my base had a back log of flight physicals because they don't have enough docs that can perform them. When I talked to AFPC about it they said it was a common problem at fighter bases so I tried to not worry about it, but it's hard to wait so long and not worry about missing out due to time. It was 4 months from the time I requested until I actually recieved my physical. I'm jealous of how fast yours went through! Does status 3 mean you're approved for retraining but waiting a class date?

Yesterday 06:19 PMYaKkO

Yeah your pretty much on schedule man. It's been worse for some people. Hell I would say that you are pretty lucky that it only took you a month to get your waiver done.

Keep on pushing your paper work and baby sitting the MDG and you will be at BFE before you know it.

Actually I was told by the doc that, in her experience, it takes at least a month for the waiver to come back, sometimes more. It was funny because she pretty much told me to baby sit MDG and check regularly on the status!

Thanks for the help fellas!

sbuxlandry
03-31-2011, 03:15 PM
Hey there everyone! I just submitted my request for retraining eligibility again- and it came back approved finally. I am cross-training early, I had tried late last year and was told ineligible because Air Staff put a hold on early retraining to 1xxxx fields. Wish me luck! I have all my paperwork done; volunteer flight letter and Class 3. How long does it usually take after i submit it to my CC? Thanks again- and hopfully it all works out this time.

LHEATHAIS
03-31-2011, 03:53 PM
Yesterday 01:39 PMLHEATHAIS

My question is does this sound about normal for this all to take so long to just get the retraining package approved (almost 6 months)? I have pleny of other questions of course but will keep it short for now!
I applied on 15 Oct. Completed IFC III on 19 Nov w/ 111111P and AETC returned it on 2 Dec. My delay was getting my CC to co-ordinate which he sat on it and finally processed it on the Dec 30th. By the time AFPC looked at it on 3 Jan, i busted my 9-15 month DEROS window and had to do an ETP. I had no waivers, but AETC did get my 1042 back to me in like 10 days with Thanksgiving weekend in the middle. Been status 3 since 11 Feb.

I was told that my base had a back log of flight physicals because they don't have enough docs that can perform them. When I talked to AFPC about it they said it was a common problem at fighter bases so I tried to not worry about it, but it's hard to wait so long and not worry about missing out due to time. It was 4 months from the time I requested until I actually recieved my physical. I'm jealous of how fast yours went through! Does status 3 mean you're approved for retraining but waiting a class date?

Yesterday 06:19 PMYaKkO

Yeah your pretty much on schedule man. It's been worse for some people. Hell I would say that you are pretty lucky that it only took you a month to get your waiver done.

Keep on pushing your paper work and baby sitting the MDG and you will be at BFE before you know it.

Actually I was told by the doc that, in her experience, it takes at least a month for the waiver to come back, sometimes more. It was funny because she pretty much told me to baby sit MDG and check regularly on the status!

Thanks for the help fellas!

I am at Lakenheath which is also a fighter base. I had the same scenario with limited doctors to sign off on my package. I would follow up in a week and see if it was forwarded to AETC which is about how long my 1042 was processed on base. Turnaround from AETC for my package was like 3 days, but I also didn't have any waivers. Status 3 means that a retraining application is on file awaiting approval/disapproval. Good luck!

LHEATHAIS
03-31-2011, 04:04 PM
Hey there everyone! I just submitted my request for retraining eligibility again- and it came back approved finally. I am cross-training early, I had tried late last year and was told ineligible because Air Staff put a hold on early retraining to 1xxxx fields. Wish me luck! I have all my paperwork done; volunteer flight letter and Class 3. How long does it usually take after i submit it to my CC? Thanks again- and hopfully it all works out this time.

You should be status 3 within a day or two after your CC coordinates. All he has to do is point and click on a bullet and hit submit and application is on its way to AFPC. My CC sat on my package for a month. He was concerned over my career progression with me retraining as a 12 year TSgt. The issue for me was he was keeping me from a job as an enlisted aviator and I really do not want to career progress in MX anyway. It only ends up to flying a desk. Point is, keep your supervision in the know and it is your career. The AF has determined manning requirements, and your desire to meet the needs of the AF should be acknowledged.

bcoco14
03-31-2011, 11:16 PM
I am at Lakenheath which is also a fighter base. I had the same scenario with limited doctors to sign off on my package. I would follow up in a week and see if it was forwarded to AETC which is about how long my 1042 was processed on base. Turnaround from AETC for my package was like 3 days, but I also didn't have any waivers. Status 3 means that a retraining application is on file awaiting approval/disapproval. Good luck!

I think you might be getting a bit confused on how the process with your paperwork goes in regards to the class III. The 1042 is a locally generated product and they take about 5 minutes to get. In order for them to give you your 1042 you need to have your class III certified by the AFSG office not AETC. That's the part that take a while. AFPC just won't process your retraining package without the 1042.

Anyways I know how much of a PITA it can be so you guys hang in there. I assure you it is well worth it in the end.

LHEATHAIS
04-01-2011, 04:47 PM
I think you might be getting a bit confused on how the process with your paperwork goes in regards to the class III. The 1042 is a locally generated product and they take about 5 minutes to get. In order for them to give you your 1042 you need to have your class III certified by the AFSG office not AETC. That's the part that take a while. AFPC just won't process your retraining package without the 1042.

Anyways I know how much of a PITA it can be so you guys hang in there. I assure you it is well worth it in the end.

That's how I meant to say it. Thanks for clarifying. I hope with FE returning to Chronic Critical that positive news will start flowing more quickly. The most difficult part of the whole process has been playing the waiting game for the stuff that is out of your control.

Max Power
04-01-2011, 06:43 PM
We should have never been taken off the Chronic Critical list. We are losing a bunch of our experience over the next year or so due to the HYT changes.

StevenW135
04-07-2011, 11:00 PM
Headed to Tyndall on a RON this week and hopefully checkin on the way back. God damn am I happy to almost be done with this man!

And Gotta Love GAYWACS!

I was supposed to go on that trip as well. I saw you were going but your old number had changed. Too bad it got canceled. I'm already deployed, how are you liking AWAC's? Man I like your inflight guide way better than ours...And Golther your a tard. haha im just kidding. Good to see you fools are doing alight.

sbuxlandry
04-08-2011, 06:29 PM
Was just wondering what the policy was on your retraining status #s and your requirement for deployments. I am currently status 3 and am scheduled to deploy in 3 months, but I was told I will have to deploy no matter what. Have any of you experienced this? Any advice would be beneficial.

LHEATHAIS
04-08-2011, 06:58 PM
Was just wondering what the policy was on your retraining status #s and your requirement for deployments. I am currently status 3 and am scheduled to deploy in 3 months, but I was told I will have to deploy no matter what. Have any of you experienced this? Any advice would be beneficial.

From AFI 36-2626:
7. Deployed procedures:
a. FTA may apply prior to departure provided the upcoming Temporary Duty (TDY) will
last until after the member completes 35 months of service (59 months for a 6 year
enlistee).
b. Second term or career airmen should request retraining prior to contingency departure
through parent MPF.
c. If retraining actions cannot be completed prior to departure, airmen can request
retraining through the Personnel Support for Contingency Operations (PERSCO)
team. PERSCO will forward message to MAJCOM with an information copy to the
MPF. Message will include the following: grade, name, SSN, CAFSC, RAFSC,
departure date, return date, and remarks.
d. Airmen must complete all retraining actions no later than 45 days after return to home
station.

sbuxlandry
04-08-2011, 07:07 PM
So......I still don't understand if I will have to deploy or not. I understand that if I was applying for retraining while deployed that this would affect me, but if I am in retraining status before I deploy- doesn't that make me undeployable?

FE Buckeye Pride
04-08-2011, 11:40 PM
So......I still don't understand if I will have to deploy or not. I understand that if I was applying for retraining while deployed that this would affect me, but if I am in retraining status before I deploy- doesn't that make me undeployable?

It really comes down to your leadership.

My CC knew that I submitted my package for retraining and was Status 3 upon putting my boots down in the sand April 2010. While deployed I kept on top of the vMPF release and went Status 6 (eventually) with a date for retraining, about a month after coming home from my deployment. This was tough on my family, but as I said it comes down to your leadership and whatever is "best interest of the AF".

If you get a solid date for Fundies and BFE prior to leaving then they have a choice to not send you altogether or send you with an earlier return/swap so that you can make your dates. I would express your concerns to your leadership over this matter.

Either way, its worth it bro. Im in Little Rock right now hitting the Sims getting ready for the flight line soon and despite the hassle I went through in the beginning, I'm loving my job very much and can't wait to be "operational" in a few months in Alaska.

Good luck bro.

BigBaze
04-09-2011, 12:35 AM
We should have never been taken off the Chronic Critical list. We are losing a bunch of our experience over the next year or so due to the HYT changes.

You aren't kidding. We are getting gutted, losing a ton of experience at the top. Us guys who are about to sew on Tech are about to get bumped up to flight chief jobs. I have been on the jet for 2 years and about 1900 hours and already starting instructor school at the end of the month. It happens fast boys and girls!

YaKkO
04-10-2011, 05:17 AM
You aren't kidding. We are getting gutted, losing a ton of experience at the top. Us guys who are about to sew on Tech are about to get bumped up to flight chief jobs. I have been on the jet for 2 years and about 1900 hours and already starting instructor school at the end of the month. It happens fast boys and girls!

With us they pretty much send you to I-up after your first deployment.

It's that bad. Dudes that have less that 2,000 hours are going Evaluator.

Boom
04-10-2011, 05:20 AM
With us they pretty much send you to I-up after your first deployment.

It's that bad. Dudes that have less that 2,000 hours are going Evaluator.

What's wrong with that? Some of the best Evaluators I've seen are guys who newer and some of the worst are older guys.

YaKkO
04-10-2011, 05:24 AM
What's wrong with that? Some of the best Evaluators I've seen are guys who newer and some of the worst are the guys are older.

When the only stories you have start with, "In the desert...." there is something wrong. The guy I have in mind is sharp as shit and don't get me wrong I think he deserves the crap out of it but I'm just saying.

That's how much we are losing top side.

EDIT: and keep in mind, this is an Airframe that is down to flying 2 times a month per crew member. Damn DoD budget cuts.

Boom
04-10-2011, 05:33 AM
Do you guys still sing on Boom interphone when you're refueling? That's why 99% of -135 Booms don't use Boom Interphone with AWACS.

"Puttin' in power, puttin' in power, commin' up, commin' up, movin' back, movin' back..."

YaKkO
04-10-2011, 05:36 AM
Do you guys still sing on Boom interphone when you're refueling? That's why 99% of -135 Booms don't use Boom Interphone with AWACS.

"Puttin' in power, puttin' in power, commin' up, commin' up, movin' back, movin' back..."

No we don't sing lol..

And what's funny is that in IQT we are told to leave boom inter phone off because you guys would normally tell us to haha!

Never knew why till now. I've never used it actually.

Boom
04-10-2011, 06:20 AM
Boom interphone is reserved for Viper and Hawg drivers who talk about beer, boobs, and killing stuff.

LHEATHAIS
04-11-2011, 03:36 PM
The Retraining Advisory dropped 1 TSgt FE slot this morning. Does anyone know that notification process? People have before mentioned that approvals are not typically notified correctly. Sometimes through vMPF, or through the AFPS. Sometimes immediate notification, maybe even a few day delay. I am currently on leave and have no access to vMPF. Any inputs?

sbuxlandry
04-15-2011, 03:50 PM
OK... so how long does it take for your retraining package to go from "AFCC review" to status 3? Am I being impatient? It has been over a week since it went to AFCC review. Thanks

bcoco14
04-15-2011, 06:48 PM
OK... so how long does it take for your retraining package to go from "AFCC review" to status 3? Am I being impatient? It has been over a week since it went to AFCC review. Thanks

It's dosen't take long and not a week. Take a walk down and talk to your section CC they will be the one who signs off on it

sbuxlandry
04-15-2011, 07:05 PM
Just called AFPC- they were very helpful! The guy did my review right there over the phone and updated me to Status 3 and told me I would meet the first board in 2 weeks. Awesome!

LHEATHAIS
04-16-2011, 03:19 PM
Just called AFPC- they were very helpful! The guy did my review right there over the phone and updated me to Status 3 and told me I would meet the first board in 2 weeks. Awesome!

Good luck to you. My application just changed from Awaiting Determ to AFCC Review. Being NCORP myself, I can only hope that means good news soon. With the EQUAL listing just released, looks as if I will be PCSing to Whiteman if this retraining doesn't go through.

imported_AeroMech78
04-16-2011, 07:51 PM
BFE done. Up next is SERE followed by Little Rock in May. I'm excited about finally getting started on C-130 training!

FYI to future BFE students. The latest from the instructors is that scoring between a 75 and 85% is no longer grounds for retest on the following day. All scores below 85% will result in automatic wash back. We had three guys wash back after Block 5 and one of them washed out a few weeks later.
Bring your "A" game but, ONCE AGAIN, stay at Kelly Inn for the relative peace and quiet that will help during study time. Also, participate in group study regardless if you need it or not. Your fellow classmates will appreciate that you give a shit and, besides that, someone who is having difficulties will benefit from your understanding the material.

YaKkO
04-16-2011, 10:43 PM
BFE done. Up next is SERE followed by Little Rock in May. I'm excited about finally getting started on C-130 training!

FYI to future BFE students. The latest from the instructors is that scoring between a 75 and 85% is no longer grounds for retest on the following day. All scores below 85% will result in automatic wash back. We had three guys wash back after Block 5 and one of them washed out a few weeks later.
Bring your "A" game but, ONCE AGAIN, stay at Kelly Inn for the relative peace and quiet that will help during study time. Also, participate in group study regardless if you need it or not. Your fellow classmates will appreciate that you give a shit and, besides that, someone who is having difficulties will benefit from your understanding the material.

Congrats sorta ENG! lol

JENNYTHING
04-17-2011, 03:46 AM
Congrats sorta ENG! lol

Dude your still alive! How's the training going? How's OK treating you are you fully upgraded yet?

bcoco14
04-17-2011, 05:39 AM
Good luck to you. My application just changed from Awaiting Determ to AFCC Review. Being NCORP myself, I can only hope that means good news soon. With the EQUAL listing just released, looks as if I will be PCSing to Whiteman if this retraining doesn't go through.

Just FYI if you get an assignment and you sign for it then your retraining application will be canceled and you'll have to reapply after you PCS

YaKkO
04-17-2011, 05:45 PM
Dude your still alive! How's the training going? How's OK treating you are you fully upgraded yet?

Yup Im fully up and running over here.

As far as OK goes its pretty good. WAY better than my last base so I'm good!

LHEATHAIS
04-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Just FYI if you get an assignment and you sign for it then your retraining application will be canceled and you'll have to reapply after you PCS

I addressed this with AFPC before. They informed me that it will not effect my application. My understanding of what AFPC told me is retraining takes precedence over PCS as long as I am approved before prior to PCS. I have a DEROS of August. I don't know if there is any difference when PCSing from CONUS or Overseas and its effect on retraining. 3rd Qtr Assignments will probably drop in about 2 weeks time. Thanks for your input. I will re-engage with AFPC to address this issue.

ashtnn
04-18-2011, 05:36 PM
Does anyone know what, if any, TOS requirements there are for retraining? I searched plenty and looked through the AFI but couldn't really find anything pertaining to it. I ask because I'm PCSing to lackland in June and my 36 months hits in January, which'll give me 6 months TOS. I did read somewhere about someone being denied by AFPC due to not having 12 months but like I said, I couldn't find anything in any AFIs.

bcoco14
04-18-2011, 05:44 PM
I addressed this with AFPC before. They informed me that it will not effect my application. My understanding of what AFPC told me is retraining takes precedence over PCS as long as I am approved before prior to PCS. I have a DEROS of August. I don't know if there is any difference when PCSing from CONUS or Overseas and its effect on retraining. 3rd Qtr Assignments will probably drop in about 2 weeks time. Thanks for your input. I will re-engage with AFPC to address this issue.
I only say that because it happened to me. Who ever you talked to at AFPC was either full of shit or I just got screwed.

bcoco14
04-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Does anyone know what, if any, TOS requirements there are for retraining? I searched plenty and looked through the AFI but couldn't really find anything pertaining to it. I ask because I'm PCSing to lackland in June and my 36 months hits in January, which'll give me 6 months TOS. I did read somewhere about someone being denied by AFPC due to not having 12 months but like I said, I couldn't find anything in any AFIs.

There are no TOS requirements stateside. I was only at my last base for 8 months before I got picked up to retrain.

ashtnn
04-18-2011, 06:03 PM
Nice. That gives me more hope then. :p How likely is it that I could get my flight physical started before actually being 'approved to apply' or what ever it's called? The sooner I can get out of LRS the happier I'll be. I don't know how much of a negative/positive effect being at Lackland will have on me when it comes to that though. The way it seems to me is that Lackland's Flight Med would be ridiculously bogged down with the BMT kids.

Turkey9186
04-18-2011, 11:35 PM
I am prior aircrew (1A171C) in the process of going back the Reserves in the same career field/plane. I have been out for more than five years though.
I know I will need to attend TTU again, anyone know if I will need to attend Aircrew Fundamentals of BFE again?
How long is C5 school taking with airframe maintenance delays?

bcoco14
04-18-2011, 11:41 PM
I am prior aircrew (1A171C) in the process of going back the Reserves in the same career field/plane. I have been out for more than five years though.
I know I will need to attend TTU again, anyone know if I will need to attend Aircrew Fundamentals of BFE again?
How long is C5 school taking with airframe maintenance delays?

You shouldn't as long as if they ask for it you can prove you already attended. Same for SERE they are one time classes.

Not sure about C5 school I have heard it's about 6 months but I'm not a C5 guy. Jennything is though.

akruse
04-19-2011, 01:22 AM
I am prior aircrew (1A171C) in the process of going back the Reserves in the same career field/plane. I have been out for more than five years though.
I know I will need to attend TTU again, anyone know if I will need to attend Aircrew Fundamentals of BFE again?
How long is C5 school taking with airframe maintenance delays?

Had a guy in our fundies/bfe class in the exact same situation. He went through fundies but didn't have to. Your unit can waive it if they so choose.

VidMXGuy
04-20-2011, 02:06 AM
Nice. That gives me more hope then. :p How likely is it that I could get my flight physical started before actually being 'approved to apply' or what ever it's called? The sooner I can get out of LRS the happier I'll be. I don't know how much of a negative/positive effect being at Lackland will have on me when it comes to that though. The way it seems to me is that Lackland's Flight Med would be ridiculously bogged down with the BMT kids.

I retrained to be an FE coming out of Lackland. First part that sucks is you don't get per diem, I lived in my apartment throughout training and missed out on all that perdiem. Even worse, I got C-5's and missed out on all that per diem too, given initial qual is at Lackland. Well, Lackland's Flight Med is a little ridiculous, they are primarily geared towards basic trainees needing flight physicals before they head to tech school. It is a pain, and they only really handle people that want to retrain on a space available basis. Whenever I went through this process about 2 1/2 years ago, you had to be "approved to apply", because AFPC would give you specific paperwork that the flight doc needed you to fill out.

akruse
04-20-2011, 02:26 AM
I retrained to be an FE coming out of Lackland. First part that sucks is you don't get per diem, I lived in my apartment throughout training and missed out on all that perdiem. Even worse, I got C-5's and missed out on all that per diem too, given initial qual is at Lackland. Well, Lackland's Flight Med is a little ridiculous, they are primarily geared towards basic trainees needing flight physicals before they head to tech school. It is a pain, and they only really handle people that want to retrain on a space available basis. Whenever I went through this process about 2 1/2 years ago, you had to be "approved to apply", because AFPC would give you specific paperwork that the flight doc needed you to fill out.

Its only about 16k man :)

YaKkO
04-25-2011, 01:58 AM
Nice. That gives me more hope then. :p How likely is it that I could get my flight physical started before actually being 'approved to apply' or what ever it's called? The sooner I can get out of LRS the happier I'll be. I don't know how much of a negative/positive effect being at Lackland will have on me when it comes to that though. The way it seems to me is that Lackland's Flight Med would be ridiculously bogged down with the BMT kids.

When I crossed over 2 years ago I got my physical done waaaaay preemptively at Aviano, PCS'd and then was at Holloman for almost 6 months before I ever clicked submit. I'm due for my next one in Sept and I got my first one done in 2008 lmao.

It's all about if flight med wants to be lazy pieces of shit or not. And I would bet my left nut that they will tell you no lol.

budman802g
04-25-2011, 02:50 PM
A little update on my shiznit:

I requested a flight physical from Force Health way back in the last week of November. In December, they finally scheduled one for me way ahead in time to March! Got it done in March, had to wait a week for glasses to come in and retake depth perception test that I initially didn't pass, but did with the glasses. Next up was one waiver needing approval for med stuff, which took longer sitting on the desk of the doc than to actually get approved once submitted (took just shy of 4 weeks).

Now my whole physical is about to be submitted for final approval before I can put in my retraining package to AFPC. When that time comes I hope there are still TSgt quotas left for me to get a slot! It's going to be 6 months from the time I requested retraining in AFPC before I finally get to submit my package to them! All I can say is keep on MDG for anyone that is going to try to retrain. I've done all I can right away and spent all the time waiting for physical appointments and paperwork to be routed through the chain.

sbuxlandry
04-25-2011, 07:41 PM
I hear ya- I started my retraining back in October and finally got everything submitted and approved at the beginning of April- i should make the first board by the end of this month- I am a FTA retraining early from 2A553B- on the B1-B. I haven't seen any numbers drop on the retraining advisory lately so hopefully there is hope for us all. Good luck to ya bro

YaKkO
04-25-2011, 11:13 PM
A little update on my shiznit:

I requested a flight physical from Force Health way back in the last week of November. In December, they finally scheduled one for me way ahead in time to March! Got it done in March, had to wait a week for glasses to come in and retake depth perception test that I initially didn't pass, but did with the glasses. Next up was one waiver needing approval for med stuff, which took longer sitting on the desk of the doc than to actually get approved once submitted (took just shy of 4 weeks).

Now my whole physical is about to be submitted for final approval before I can put in my retraining package to AFPC. When that time comes I hope there are still TSgt quotas left for me to get a slot! It's going to be 6 months from the time I requested retraining in AFPC before I finally get to submit my package to them! All I can say is keep on MDG for anyone that is going to try to retrain. I've done all I can right away and spent all the time waiting for physical appointments and paperwork to be routed through the chain.

You just shoulda called Flight Med a little more.

Eventually they will get annoyed at you calling them.

Also shirts love to get in on that shit. At least mine did!

And one final thing. Flight med will suck no matter where you go.

SSeymore
04-28-2011, 03:28 PM
I finally got my pacakge coded as status "3" after every bit of 8 months fighting with TDY's, Flt Med, and everything else. Does anyone know what date your package has to be submitted by in order to recieve the current months review board?? I went status 3 on 14 April...

YaKkO
04-28-2011, 10:15 PM
I finally got my pacakge coded as status "3" after every bit of 8 months fighting with TDY's, Flt Med, and everything else. Does anyone know what date your package has to be submitted by in order to recieve the current months review board?? I went status 3 on 14 April...

Call AFPC and they will tell you. They told me once, but that was like 2 years ago and I don't wanna give you a wrong answer.

Golther
04-28-2011, 11:44 PM
Last duty day of the month is the board review.

sbuxlandry
05-01-2011, 05:14 PM
I am in the same boat... I got status 3 in the middle of April- lets hope I made the first board! I guess we'll find out by the end of this coming week- good luck to all

SSeymore
05-02-2011, 06:02 PM
Ive checked the Virtual about 5x already today.....has anyone seen any board results yet??

sbuxlandry
05-03-2011, 03:23 PM
I know it takes at least 5 duty days for the Virtual to update the numbers, let alone to update our vMPF status. Good luck and hopefully Friday you'll have a 5!

sbuxlandry
05-07-2011, 12:34 AM
woot woot- i went status 5 today!

Jones
05-07-2011, 03:35 AM
Same Here just got status 5 today!

SSeymore
05-09-2011, 03:21 PM
I checked it this morning and got a 5. Ill post my class date when i get it

budman802g
05-12-2011, 01:15 PM
Did anyone have to do an Exception to Policy letter? I had one written up, signed, and submitted with my retraining package two days ago. CC signed off on the package and submitted it and now I've been in "AFCC review" status since (only 2 days).

I called the Total Force Help Center, or whatever name it is down in San Antonio, and the dude said that now my package will be review by a tech, and then submitted to Air Staff for approval or disapproval of my ETP letter, which is currently at 150 days! Anyone else have to wait this long if they had to submit an ETP with their package? First it's waiting on MDG and now on this!

Doood
05-12-2011, 03:59 PM
Did anyone have to do an Exception to Policy letter? I had one written up, signed, and submitted with my retraining package two days ago. CC signed off on the package and submitted it and now I've been in "AFCC review" status since (only 2 days).

I called the Total Force Help Center, or whatever name it is down in San Antonio, and the dude said that now my package will be review by a tech, and then submitted to Air Staff for approval or disapproval of my ETP letter, which is currently at 150 days! Anyone else have to wait this long if they had to submit an ETP with their package? First it's waiting on MDG and now on this!

Are you NCORP? I've been waiting 101 days so far with my ETP for leaving a balanced AFSC. I'm applying for 1A2x1

theowl
05-12-2011, 04:20 PM
Hello everyone. I was prior service avionics tech (F-4 AD and C-130 Reserves). I'm trying to get back in the Guard or Reserves before aging out, and dream of being an FE. Does anyone have the same experience with recruiters that I have? In the past 3 weeks, I have called 4 or 5 different ones across the country and left messages and no reply yet. Wonder if that goes on their EPR? ;-) Seems the easiest thing to do would be return a phone call of someone looking to get back in.

So, I'm asking for help as to any knowledge of how to obtain an FE slot. Should I call the FE Shops around the country directly to see if there are openings? I'm willing to relocate anywhere. Preference would be Ft. Worth, but willing to go to any 130 unit that has real world missions & deployments if possible (instead of training, though i read Little Rock was staffing a new training wing?).

Thanks for any help or if you know of units I should be applying to with openings. Best wishes to all of you guys in the pipeline.

Jones
05-12-2011, 07:06 PM
Status 6 today
Aircrew Fundamentals-Start Date: 14 FEB 2012
Basic Flight Engineer - Start Date: 06 MAR 2012

budman802g
05-12-2011, 07:12 PM
Are you NCORP? I've been waiting 101 days so far with my ETP for leaving a balanced AFSC. I'm applying for 1A2x1

Yeah I'm NCORP. I'm a Crew Chief now and it's considered balanced so that was the need for an ETP. Sucks it takes so long for something that would appear to be a 5 minute job.

budman802g
05-12-2011, 07:13 PM
Status 6 today
Aircrew Fundamentals-Start Date: 14 FEB 2012
Basic Flight Engineer - Start Date: 06 MAR 2012

Congrats! That's crazy the school dates are so far out. Guess they don't want you to get out of the habit of waiting!

Jones
05-12-2011, 07:27 PM
Congrats! That's crazy the school dates are so far out. Guess they don't want you to get out of the habit of waiting!

I'm overseas right now and have to wait until I PCS back stateside to begin training.

sbuxlandry
05-12-2011, 07:30 PM
I'm overseas right now and have to wait until I PCS back stateside to begin training.

congrats bro!- hopefully i'll come in to work today and see status 6 on my stuff- hopefully my date will be before jan 2012 so i won't have to deploy and then come home for a week and go to training. My wife would be so pissed- lol. Anyways- good luck bro - glad you made it. BTW- were you NCORP or FTA?

Jones
05-12-2011, 07:40 PM
congrats bro!- hopefully i'll come in to work today and see status 6 on my stuff- hopefully my date will be before jan 2012 so i won't have to deploy and then come home for a week and go to training. My wife would be so pissed- lol. Anyways- good luck bro - glad you made it. BTW- were you NCORP or FTA?

I'm a First Term Airman. I applied under the Careers program. My current AFSC is 2W0X1 (Ammo Troop). I DIDN'T need a Waiver to X-train because i hold a FAA Private Pilots Liceance.

sbuxlandry
05-13-2011, 01:29 AM
go the class dates- start next friday- man...no time to get ready. anyone else got the same dates?

YaKkO
05-13-2011, 01:44 AM
go the class dates- start next friday- man...no time to get ready. anyone else got the same dates?

Bro, there is nothing to do to get ready? Unless your talking about a house or something. But even still. You will only be gone just over 2 months pending you pass all blocks on round 1 lol.

sbuxlandry
05-13-2011, 01:47 AM
True, I don't have much to do, but I am all the way up in South Dakota- so I am having to make sure my house is in order since I found out today when my class date was starting- lots of hand carrying papers. Trying to drive down to Lackland so I can at least have a car while I'm there- which means I need to leave here by Tuesday.

YaKkO
05-13-2011, 01:51 AM
True, I don't have much to do, but I am all the way up in South Dakota- so I am having to make sure my house is in order since I found out today when my class date was starting- lots of hand carrying papers. Trying to drive down to Lackland so I can at least have a car while I'm there- which means I need to leave here by Tuesday.

Yeah the car is a must. Just be prepared to only be reimbursed for 1 day of travel. Back when I went formal training wouldn't cut the orders for POV since they want you to fly for some dumb ass reason. And I know multiple people that had the same issue so its not an isolated incident.

sbuxlandry
05-13-2011, 03:07 AM
Booked my room at the Kelly Inn- spoke with formal training and they are authorizing me POV- woot woot- nice per diem and my own car. Should be pretty nice setup for 2 months

Golther
05-13-2011, 07:54 AM
I don't even know why they would authorize POV's now because they moved BFE from Medina to Lack main base. That nice building we were in I hear is owned by the cops now. The CoE is now in some run down building. Have you heard the same Yakko?

akruse
05-13-2011, 01:42 PM
I don't even know why they would authorize POV's now because they moved BFE from Medina to Lack main base. That nice building we were in I hear is owned by the cops now. The CoE is now in some run down building. Have you heard the same Yakko?

Because its cheaper than a rental car.

Golther
05-13-2011, 01:49 PM
I just saying I'm surprised that they authorized anything in the first place. I think they figured you can walk to school.

SSeymore
05-13-2011, 09:00 PM
Ya im in the same boat with ya. I start this Friday. Im moving out of my house this weekend. Waiting now for my orders and then dealing with travel. Im gonna try to get in at Kelly too and definitely take my truck and throw the bike in the back.. Should see ya soon

sbuxlandry
05-13-2011, 10:58 PM
Ya im in the same boat with ya. I start this Friday. Im moving out of my house this weekend. Waiting now for my orders and then dealing with travel. Im gonna try to get in at Kelly too and definitely take my truck and throw the bike in the back.. Should see ya soon

send me a pm- i am planning on being there thursday afternoon if you wanna swap phone numbers to meet up for a brew or two.

YaKkO
05-13-2011, 11:09 PM
Because its cheaper than a rental car.

Back when I went it was Commercial Travel and no rental car on the orders.

Take the base bus homies! lol

Turkey9186
05-14-2011, 01:36 AM
Hello everyone. I was prior service avionics tech (F-4 AD and C-130 Reserves). I'm trying to get back in the Guard or Reserves before aging out, and dream of being an FE. Does anyone have the same experience with recruiters that I have? In the past 3 weeks, I have called 4 or 5 different ones across the country and left messages and no reply yet. Wonder if that goes on their EPR? ;-) Seems the easiest thing to do would be return a phone call of someone looking to get back in.

So, I'm asking for help as to any knowledge of how to obtain an FE slot. Should I call the FE Shops around the country directly to see if there are openings? I'm willing to relocate anywhere. Preference would be Ft. Worth, but willing to go to any 130 unit that has real world missions & deployments if possible (instead of training, though i read Little Rock was staffing a new training wing?).

Thanks for any help or if you know of units I should be applying to with openings. Best wishes to all of you guys in the pipeline.

Call the individual squadrons. You will more than likely need to interview with the squadron anyway.

Turkey9186
05-14-2011, 01:41 AM
300 pages of photocopies later, I am now waiting to hear when my flight physical is scheduled. "They" did decide it was dumb to send me to MEPS for an initial enlistment physical and then to wing medical for a flight physical.
Hopefully everything will be finished and I will be off to school in the next year.....

akruse
05-14-2011, 01:44 AM
Back when I went it was Commercial Travel and no rental car on the orders.

Take the base bus homies! lol

Only because you didn't press the issue.

synth8840
05-14-2011, 02:17 AM
go the class dates- start next friday- man...no time to get ready. anyone else got the same dates?

Hey there, I also received status 6 yesterday, with a class date of May 20th as well! I went status 5 on the 6th to.

synth8840
05-14-2011, 02:35 AM
Booked my room at the Kelly Inn- spoke with formal training and they are authorizing me POV- woot woot- nice per diem and my own car. Should be pretty nice setup for 2 months
I called Gateway Inn, and made a reservation with them, did you request Kelly or did they assign it to you? What is the difference in per Diem? Thx

akruse
05-14-2011, 02:54 AM
I called Gateway Inn, and made a reservation with them, did you request Kelly or did they assign it to you? What is the difference in per Diem? Thx

Call Kelly, not Gateway. $54

imported_AeroMech78
05-14-2011, 09:33 PM
Call Kelly, not Gateway. $54

X2!!! Kelly Inn is a must

imported_AeroMech78
05-14-2011, 09:35 PM
Finished SERE. That sucked. On to Little Rock next week.

YaKkO
05-15-2011, 11:33 PM
Finished SERE. That sucked. On to Little Rock next week.

True story lol.

Have fun in IQT though!

sbuxlandry
05-15-2011, 11:57 PM
just got a call from Kelly Inn- they can't take me for the time during training so i am being booked downtown for the whole time. I guess that's good-right? anyone else get the same call?

Golther
05-15-2011, 11:59 PM
Even better!

sbuxlandry
05-16-2011, 12:00 AM
any idea what the per diem is for staying downtown?

Golther
05-16-2011, 12:01 AM
I believe its the same but you get better lodging.

sbuxlandry
05-16-2011, 12:06 AM
nice- good thing i am driving since it is about 12 miles to base. how easy is it to get to the schoolhouse once you are on base?

Golther
05-16-2011, 12:20 AM
I don't know anymore because they have moved it since I attended.

akruse
05-16-2011, 12:47 AM
I believe its the same but you get better lodging.

Same


nice- good thing i am driving since it is about 12 miles to base. how easy is it to get to the schoolhouse once you are on base?

You'll be staying at one of the hotels right off base unless they changed the contracted hotel. There is one about a mile off base and another (same chain) a bit farther.

sbuxlandry
05-16-2011, 01:45 AM
its the springhill suites- i dunno where it is exactly in relation to the base, but i know its by the airport.

akruse
05-16-2011, 02:05 AM
its the springhill suites- i dunno where it is exactly in relation to the base, but i know its by the airport.

Dude, thats going to suck driving every morning and afternoon rush hour. Not sure why they are telling you before you even get there that you'll be off base but I would try and get into Kelly or see if they have something closer. Being at Kelly makes it really easy to have study groups. We eventually got our whole class minus 2 into Kelly and it was great for studying and homework especially towards the midway point. You're looking at a good 20-30 minute drive without traffic from the looks of it right now. San Antonio is one of the worst cities I have driven in as well. It seemed like every day the 410 was severely backed up due to accidents.

imported_AeroMech78
05-16-2011, 02:46 AM
Akruse is right. Something closer would be a much better idea for study group purposes. To help choose, You can use the valley hi entrance off the 410 to get to the schoolhouse, but i would suggest something closer to the military drive gate that is on the side closest to gateway inn on lackland. This way you will be relatively close to Kelly and gateway inn. From Kelly inn, It took me 15 minutes at the most every morning (even on BMT grad days) to get to new schoolhouse. Basically I would jump on 90 to military drive, go through a couple lights, then take the first gate on the right. This takes you passed gateway on the right, through a stop sign, then on to the schoolhouse further down on the left side of same street. Look for 344th on the top corner of the building, go to second floor. Good luck.