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SeaLawyer
04-29-2019, 10:57 AM
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/04/28/iran-guard-used-drone-to-monitor-us-carrier-eisenhower-in-the-persian-gulf-report-says/

And we didn't catch or take action on this, WHY???

Mjölnir
04-29-2019, 12:12 PM
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/04/28/iran-guard-used-drone-to-monitor-us-carrier-eisenhower-in-the-persian-gulf-report-says/

And we didn't catch or take action on this, WHY???

ROE.

If it doesn't display hostile intent / doesn't have weapons on it etc. we really have no reason to legitimately shoot it down; it is in international airspace same as we are, and they don't have to clear the area around us on the high seas . in international airspace.

What the article doesn't say is if it was intercepted & escorted. If it was intercepted, deemed to have no weapons onboard we would likely escort the drone (which can be hard as fightes are a bit too fast and helos a bit too slow) ... but if it went unintercepted / unescorted ... that would be the bigger deal.

SeaLawyer
04-29-2019, 12:21 PM
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kGd7f_1556459211

Negative Ghost Rider! U.S. Warships maintain a radius within their operating air-space. It's called PIRAZ/"Red Crown".

Look at this video and tell me this isn't a security issue.

Mjölnir
04-29-2019, 12:58 PM
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kGd7f_1556459211

Negative Ghost Rider! U.S. Warships maintain a radius within their operating air-space. It's called PIRAZ/"Red Crown".

Look at this video and tell me this isn't a security issue.

I've sat TAO in the Gulf, I am well aware. PIRAZ isn't a weapons free zone, but requires positive ID (it is part of the name: Positive Identification Radar Advisory Zone) -- the idea is that you could shoot everything down within PIRAZ ... that doesn't mean you are actually shooting everything down. The drone is definitely a concern, and the issue subject of plenty of discussions ... but we can't just shoot it down for getting closer than we would want, in peacetime, in international waters / airspace without demonstrated hostile intent.

I don't like the video, but without knowing how zoomed in that is / how close the UAV was, if it had weapons or not ... I can't say what I would have done / recommended.

SeaLawyer
04-29-2019, 01:12 PM
By definition, it's an aircraft operating within a restricted flight zone.

I get your point Mjölnir but we've challenged other aircraft less than we challenged this--which fits in the category of aircraft.

Mjölnir
04-29-2019, 01:20 PM
By definition, it's an aircraft operating within a restricted flight zone.

I get your point Mjölnir but we've challenged other aircraft less than we challenged this--which fits in the category of aircraft.

PIRAZ is something we put up around our own ships, technically no requirement for other nations to observe it, most do but some countries blow it off.


Nothing in either article says we didn't challenge it. FWIW, this footage has to be at least 2+ years old, IKE last deployed in 2016, check CAS for the storyboard on the incident.

SeaLawyer
04-29-2019, 04:55 PM
Interesting catch Mjölnir. Nevertheless, Are you saying they could have landed their drone on the carrier and no action would have been taken? Where's the line in the sand???

Mjölnir
04-29-2019, 07:12 PM
Interesting catch Mjölnir. Nevertheless, Are you saying they could have landed their drone on the carrier and no action would have been taken? Where's the line in the sand???

Probably shouldn’t discuss the ROE / “line in the sand” too specifically here. There is a line, flying around taking video without threatening is doesn’t get there. CO’s, TAO’s etc. have to exercise judgement, and this is C5F, where IRIN vessels and aircraft attempt to provoke us pretty regularly.